What is your inner philosophy?
Do you live by a code?
Would you like to?
mainly stoicism
>>37240656
I live by the King of aesthetics philosophy
Buddhism
>>37240674
He was fucking perfect, brah
>>37240662
I just bought Meditations on Audible. Can't wait to sink my teeth into it.
Do whatever I feel like doing all the time.
>>37240703
Follow his teachings and you too can become a sicunt. We're all gonna make it brah
>>37240656
Stoic
Eastern Nihilism
Christianity
I don't give a fuck about most things, they are nonsense distractions
But there is peace to be found in the chaos of the world
Peace that should be upheld and shared
>you will never fuck triss or yen
>>37240746
Christianity doesn't really go well with the other two
Hedonism and Nihilism ftw
>>37240656
>tfw you will never be geralt
help
>>37240769
>I don't give a fuck about most things, they are nonsense distractions
>But there is peace to be found in the chaos of the world
>Peace that should be upheld and shared
Yes, it does. Another word for Eastern Nihilism would be Buddhism, but as a Christian I can't be a Buddhist. I can take some of its teachings about life, and apply it with Christian and Stoic teachings.
biological law of nature dominated by instincts
>>37240789
Being restricted in creating your own philosophy because you believe in some bullshit religion and can't change it because you've been brianwashed
>>37240789
nothing you do matters
vs
you are being constantly judged by some almighty being and you will be subjected to eternal damnation if you don't behave the right way, your life is a test
>>37240656
bhagavad gita
listen for bedtime story
notice understanding of reality deepening daily
spiritual nectar motherfucker
>>37240828
I am become Chad, Destroyer of pussies
Never trust a man named chip
>>37240656
Smoke weed, get money.
Try to create memories as often as possible with friend.
Try not to strangle anyone or burn down their house.
![G-2272-Ive-seen-shit-thatll-turn-you-white[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/imwNoLy.jpg "G-2272-Ive-seen-shit-thatll-turn-you-white[1].jpg")
>>37240822
>being restricted
I know, sucks. I feel sorry for such people.
>>37240823
>nothing you do matters
Who are you saying believes this?
>>37240876
>Who are you saying believes this?
Nihilists?
>>37240886
Eastern Nihilists = Buddhism
Buddhism does not truly state nothing matters. That's the Western, counter-culture, trickled-down version.
yall welcome
>>37240662
>>37240716
>Meditations
Bunch of feel good crap Marcus wrote to himself. One out of ten things in there are practical advice.
Now the Enchirdion is where it's at. 50 segments of pure practical philosophy.
>>37240903
Still doesn't go well with an almighty being judging all your actions
>>37240904
>tfw no yen porn
>>37240910
What doesn't?
>>37240922
Jews
>>37240934
>It's a /fit/ doesn't know what they're talking about episode
Feels like a re-run.
>>37240656
Simple OP, one day I will be smart enough, experienced enough, skilled enough, and strong enough to be a Spectre. It's not enough to just make it in the gym, I have to make it in all parts of my life.
>>37240922
any form of nihilism
>>37240656
I never talk about politics, religion, and sex in mixed company.
>>37240973
Categorically wrong.
Crush your enemies
See them driven from you
And hear the lamentations of their women
Asatru, and not in the holy Odin and Thor kind of way, just the key principles.
>pic related
I like to explore ideas, then test my thoughts against my understanding of these schools of thought
>what would Jesus do?
>what would teenage mutant ninja turtles do?
>what would Buddha do?
>what would a samurai do?
>what would George Carling do?
>what would a pacifist do?
>what would a random Nord in skyrim do?
>what would gandalf do?
>what would a British POW from slaughterhouse 5 do?
>what would Mr. Money mustache do?
Possibly the result of growing up without a male role model, but I find it enjoyable and useful.
Here's how I would sum up my philosophy:
Human experience is important enough to make an effort to improve your life and that of others. Be kind.
Don't be a doormat. Do no harm but take no shit.
Apply yourself to something.
If ultimately you fail in your endeavours, it doesn't matter because the larger universe will go on, so don't take things too seriously.
>>37240993
how so?
>>37240656
I used to live by honesty above all else. These days I just lift and learn so I can ruin a few lives before I die. Preferably looking like a jacked Indio while I do so.
I'm an incredibly bitter man.
>>37241018
Layers of understanding
Understanding
Operational Efficiency
All allow teachings of Buddhism to work well alongside Christianity.
>>37241043
and yet christianity freaks out about minor shit like meditation
>>37241174
>Christianity freaks out about meditation
Is that a person or something?
I know the Catholic Church has stated meditation is reductionist, and that's true, but unless the Pope officially canonizes a statement, it doesn't really affect anything. There are numerous types of meditation recommended by various Christian churches.
So, tell your friend 'christianity' to chill out. Meditation is cool.
Also, read a book. For you.
>>37240656
>What would I do?
>>37241223
>you can't refer to a collective that way
are you always this pompous or only when you post on a vietnamese basket weaving board?
>>37241223
>Christians citing the pope as an authority.
Are you sure you still want to do that, anon?
>>37241310
Only when I'm being questioned/told I can't do something. Problem?
>>37241317
I'm sure I want to tell someone the Pope/Vatican can have as many opinions on as many things as they want, and that it doesn't change much.
My philosophy loosely -
There is no such thing as "intrinsic" value coming before human experience
you ascribe value (or meaning) to all things yourself
In essence there is no "point" to life before you decide there is. On one hand that sounds depressing, on the other it is freeing because there is no value or moral authority to yield to. You take ownership of your actions as a pure individual. You recognize the importance of your values just as much as their lunacy, since you are the one who made them up "arbitrarily" in the first place.
It's not much of a code since it's much too vague. In practice once you form a belief that holds water, you stick to it until new information makes it fail. More importantly try not to have self contradictory beliefs and act in a way where your values contradict one another.
Strict codes are more romantic but usually end up falling on their own face
>>37241344
>Only when I'm being questioned/told I can't do something. Problem?
Not at all. I was just pointing out that your religion doesn't really tolerate mixing in other philosophies and practices. I'm far from telling you you can't do something. but why do you consider yourself a christian if you don't follow the doctrine?
Was Du - von deinen Vätern ererbt hast, erwirb es - um es zu besitzen.
Der kostbarste Besitz auf dieser Welt, aber - ist das eigene Volk.
Und für dieses Volk - und um dieses Volk, wollen wir Ringen und wollen wir kämpfen.
Und Niemals erlahmen; und Niemals ermüden; und Niemals verzagen; und Niemals verzweifeln.
What you -- have inherited from your ancestors, you must earn -- before you can own.
The most precious possession in this world though - are its own people.
And for these people - and for this nation, we have to struggle and fight.
And never to languish; and never to weaken; and never to give up; and never to despair.
Niggers are pleb
Fuck it. I mean we're most likely a project to a dimension creating culture made of another humongous life form of another dimension that we physically don't have the ability to comprehend. Life is random bullshit but you can sort of influence how the petree dish grows depending on what you put in there.
I'm 25 and I could die happy any second. I don't really care much for what people think they need for happiness. I'm very minimalistic and have already accepted my fate. I'm not going to berate my soul through any unnecessary stress if it doesn't affect my survival.
IMO the goal of life is nothing outside of experience for your soul to carry on a more well rounded energy to the next life. People think it is to procreate but why. Nigga you can get a cat and call it a family and itll be way cheaper and I guarantee you won't have to be a try hard secretly gay douchedad forcefully stuck in an awful soul killing job because "muh family" to get the family experience. Also, pets are way better to get before kids. If you can't handle a few cats or dogs don't fucking procreate. I'm so sick of this "my child is perfect" meme.
Marriage is an experience where you meet the right person in life naturally. Going outta your way to find marriage "just because you want love" is fucking laughable. Face it. If this girl isn't dreaming about you, you aren't the one. You have a ton of work to do before you are perfect in the eyes of someone you consider perfect. There's no race. People think it's a race until you die but your energy carries over. "the you" will still be there but no physical memories of past lives that you can conceive accurately.
>>37240656
my inner philosophy is finding peace through the toughest of situations.
>>37241393
>but why do you consider yourself a christian if you don't follow the doctrine?
Who said I don't? Do you think I don't, because I diversify where I get my spiritual/life teachings from? The commandment said no false idols, not "no information from anywhere else ever".
And, primarily: I follow Jesus Christ. He was an incredible man with a lot we can learn from.
Yourself?
Was wir von unserer deutschen Jugend wünschen, ist etwas anderes, als es die Vergangenheit gewünscht hat. In unseren Augen, da muss der deutsche Junge der Zukunft schlank und rank sein, flink wie Windhunde, zäh wie Leder und hart wie Kruppstahl. Wir müssen einen neuen Menschen erziehen, auf dass unser Volk nicht an den Degenerationserscheinungen der Zeit zugrunde geht.
Today the beer-happy bourgeois (Bierspiesser) of those times is no longer regarded as the ideal of the German Volk, but men and girls who are fit as a fiddle, who are string taut. What we want from our German youth is different from what the past wanted of it. In our eyes, the German youth of the future must be slender and supple, swift as greyhounds, tough as leather, and hard as Krupp steel. We must cultivate a new man in order to prevent the ruin of our Volk by the degeneration manifested in our age.
>>37240674
RIP Zyzz
Peace is a lie.
There is no peace, but passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
Rage shall set me free.
It took me two wars in shit-hole countries, a lot of traveling, and a lot of reading to discover for myself the truth to these words from my youth.
>"The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense."
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>>37241551
>>37241580
he has a point on peace tho
![sith_code-493409[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MHHXvZ0.jpg "sith_code-493409[1].jpg")
>>37241610
>>37240656
Consistency is everything
>>37240994
I waited for someone to say this! Thank you, man!
Hail Crom and trust your steel!
i try to live every day in a way that would make him proud
>>37241480
Not the same guy, but keep believing in what you want, at the end of the day practice peace and love and the rest doenst really matter.
>>37241225
for some reason that realy struck me. its the cow/pig dilemma simplified. thanks anon.
>>37241551
Eh, Kreia's logic was better.
>>37240656
>Do you live by a code?
With Jews you lose
what are some good texts to read to pump up my philosophical gains?
>>37240674
Be a gigantic faggot and die?
>Teach myself many important qualities and fields so that when I carry my lineage on I can teach them to be superior people capable of the same lessons
>Wealth
>Wisdom
>Knowledge
>Never stop exploring
>Respect yourself
>You will meet many on your journey
>Teach those (that are willing and capable) how to be better teachers
>Absorb and assimilate the knowledge of anyone that may know something better than you
>Everyone has something that they hold dear or fear losing
>Everyone has something that they wish to gain above all else
>Everyone has a price they will pay, and one they will avoid
>Everyone has a valuable resource-that may eventually help you
Recognize and negotiate these, and you will meet no strangers
>>37242040
I like this
>>37242040
Literally not cool with any of these.
>>37240674
fuck a few average looking club skanks and then od and die in a sauna at 22?
great philosophy brah
>>37240656
There are people who have worked harder at having a better life than me and that's inexcusable
Its threads like these that remind me that getting /fit/ is only half the battle if you want to get pussy.
The other half is trying to avoid being as cringy as most of the edgelords in this thread.
>>37243843
Anons misinterpret Zyzz's teachings. He never preached about roid use, he taught others that trenning hard and eating clean was the key to being aesthetics. The fact that he made some poor choices regarding his personal life doesn't mean that his message was bullshit.
>>37240656
Improvement. I want to improve myself, and to improve the rest of the world, so that we can all have fun while we're here. I try not to argue with anyone, or hurt anyone. I just want everyone to have a good time.
>>37240656
Stoicism. Read Meditations by Marcus Aurelius.
Again
And again
And again
>>37240656
Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degree is arbitary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all
Everything always works out for Anon
The warrior who acts out of honour cannot fail. His duty is honour itself. Even his death if it is honourable is a reward and can be no failure, for it has come through duty. Seek honour as you act, therefore, and you will know no fear.
>>37240836
Time I Am, and I am here to destroy all things... even Chad
so chill the fuck out dude, and also here are the 3 modes of existence with illustrations so you don't end up a bitch with ur behaviour
(synopsis)
>>37244388
Brah I'm just memeing you bc you mentioned the bhagavad gita and it reminded me of Oppenheimer's famous quote. No need to get your panties in a bunch
>>37241011
>George Carling
I hope that's a typo, friend. But I find your attitude similar to mine. I have not much of real world experience so I don't tend to believe that I would be able to create a viable life philosophy just yet.
I would want to see what happens when shit really starts happening cause I'm the definition of a spoiled brat.
However, buddhism starts to catch my attention. I generally feel uncomfortable when I hurt somebody and would love to live in peace and harmony with myself and others.
I guess basically it is that. Lifting helps me live at peace with my own body, that is a start I guess.
>>37244460
not mad just an opportunity to talk more about the bhagavad gita
oh i get it
it should have been 'and so krishna said... chill the fuck out arjuna and also here are 3 modes...' etc etc
apologies for the memegrammar and subsequent misunderestimating
>>37244461
it's all a wonderful journey for the spiritually inclined
won't point you in any further direction beyond alan watts, who joked that buddhism was 'hinduism stripped for export (to the west)'
>>37240656
Be thoughtful.
Don't give people shit unless they deserve it.
Keep trying because good things might happen.
>>37244531
Well, he may be right. I wanted to read up on him for a while now.
Actually, I don't give a shit about the religion side of it.
What I have found is that some practical things helped my life to improve. Those are found in buddhism.
I kind of find it hard to believe in reincarnation and karma and stuff like that.
It sounds to me that they had to form some kind of retarded world creation stuff, otherwise no one would have taken them seriously, just like in any other religion.
But that is just my opinion.
>lrn to solitude
>and you will learn to know yourself
>until you learn to know yourself
>everyone you know
>and the life you live
>is a shadow of where your self belongs
>you can't do shit until you know yourself
>you'll just be playing with the gremlins
>tfw
>>37244609
yeah sure that's the stripped bit it doesn't mean buddhism is not good for you, just watch out for passivity buddhism that's for fools
alan watts is youtube listening nectar strongly advise
im the bhagavad gita fag just listen to that for me it really is beautiful
by which i mean it has a science in the language that i find it hard to believe the auties round these parts won't love. i know i do. it's the most perfectly pitched tract on existence and faith i've found and the sweetest part is the dazzling raw intelligence of it
personally prefer listening to it
something about listening is nice with these things
>>37244690
Okay, thanks I'll give it a listen and a read to his work on zen.
>>37241875
As a guy who thinks words ought to have some real meanings I like this one. It's not perfect of course but it's a good start:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language,_Truth,_and_Logic
>>37244724
thx bby
Live by the bottle, die by the bottle
Idk, but the first thing that came to mind was an Attila lyric
>You can do anything you want in life--just don't be a fucking bitch.
brb lifting to some attila
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PRINCIPALS
>>37240934
Ironically true because no hell in Judaism lol
Never stop improving. The day you feel content, should be your last day on earth.
I guess stoicism. I try to push back harder than life pushes me but idk things aren't getting better and when they do something bigger goes wrong. I guess I just would rather fight like a gypsy in a corner than lie down and take it.
Live and let live
>>37240994
Fuck off, Tremblay!
I never regret the things I do
But I do regret the things I never did
So my current philosophy is pretty much "Do it, faggot"
>>37240656
no drugs, no alcohol, no cigarettes
>>37240656
>Grew up Catholic, rejected it.
>Read a lot about empiricism, classical liberalism, and classical economics.
>Influenced a lot by the ancient Greeks, especially the stoics.
>Read into the ancient Germanic gods and the values they embodies.
I like the Germanic ideal of "we are our deeds." I don't believe in an afterlife so I believe that the only way to achieve immortality is to be remembered for being a good man.
> Be honest.
> Contribute to my community and family.
> Honor my oaths.
> Be strong and resourceful to be healthy, productive, and protect my kin if need be.
> Remember that I cannot control the actions of others, only my own reaction.
>>37240787
This is such a cool picture guys
>>37247171
MAGA, brother
>>37240656
do whatever you want, when you die you're dead
>>37247243
Sounds like a Heathen to me
>>37240656
I become a better me than I was yesterday. Stronger, leaner, smarter, even just being better at parcheesi. Do something that makes you better, eventually you'll be awesome.
Taylor Swift and NatSoc
They all kind of tie in together:
-Death is inevitable, so you can do whatever the fuck you want
-Happiness is generally fleeting moments and life sucks, so most of life is just preparing for these happy moments and is something that requires discipline
Pic related motivates me every day
>running away from gain goblins and gym bully
Never gonna make it
>>37248583
>>37248583
I know that show sucks most of the time, but the things it teaches about hatred really helped me get through some rough places in my life.
1/3
2/3
3/3
>>37240789
Actually dumbass you can be a Christian Buddhist. Buddhism isn't that kind of religion, it doesn't clash with anything unless you try to make it.
>>37240789
>>37248880
Yeah this guy's right actually. Buddhism self-defines as a philosophy over a religious ideal. There are Zen Buddhists, Shinto Buddhists, Hindi Buddhists, etcetera. Part of the reason it's gained so much popularity is because it's very much an 'accept-what-you-works-for-you' view on life. Which, now that I think about it, is pretty meta.
Why be the best when you can pretend you're the best
>>37248812
>>37248836
>>37248845
>t. Facebook
do what you like
who gives a fuck what other people think cause they dont matter anyway
>>37248880
Depends on the type of Buddhism. Despite what you may think buddhism is actually a very dogmatic religion just like Hinduism. Buddhism was whitewashed when it was brought to the west and rolled into the spiritual revolution of the 60s-70s in America. This is largely what Zen Buddhism is today, a watered down version of an actual ancient religion whose palatable concepts were built up into a religion that people in the west could stomach. That's why buddhism seems like a "philosphy not a religion" like so many people say.
>>37240656
I'm not too sure in all honesty. I just try really hard not be be an asshole and be an insufferable cunt to people that are.
I only really care that I'm happy and the people I give two fucks about are happy too.
Politically/philosophically/morally or w/e I guess I'm very Libertarian. Do whatever you want just don't shit on me in the process.
>>37240656
My code is to be a stoic motherfucker with nice pecs, who spends to much of his time staring at trees and thinking about how pretty trees are
My philosophy is that nature is greater than man can ever hope to achieve, specifically plants such as trees
>>37248836
>1
don't learn from your mistakes
>2
what you think of people doesn't matter we don't judge huehue lets go shit in the freeway during rush hour
>3
ptsd
>4
you won't mind if i take your stereo and shoot your dog while you at work then amiright?
>5
don't decide people are major fuckups. don't have heroes.
>6
be stupid
>7
wut
>>37249031
man is nature you daft cunt
>>37249031
Your life goal is to be cringy?
>>37249031
you have autism :)
>>37240677
everytime I hear that someone is buddhist I am 99% sure they don't know much about it. Please elaborate. For example write your interpretation of Khaggavisana sutta.
>>37240746
this is one amazing bonsai...
>>37241551
Was waiting for someone to post this
It's a hedonism type lifestyle that I need to keep tabs on.
For example,i don't hesitate to drink excessively with friends, smoke weed when people have it, stay up late, etc... But sometimes I go too far and need to pull back into self discipline. So I vary between lots of pleasure seeking behavior while occasionally going ascetic when I need to reevaluate my choices.
I also make an effort to learn. Been reading philosophy, and am gonna start self studying mathematics. I believe learning and being intellectually strong are important parts of my identity, so I keep at it.
>>37241551
I know it's edgy, but the sith were pretty damn cool when I was a teenager.
>>37240656
No inner code, I am just living like most animals for the betterment of myself. Everything geared towards more wealth, more secure environment, more women (not multiple ones, one good one would be enough)
That means that in every crevice, in every aspect of reality, from food, to exercise, to political thoughts. They are all custom made, nearly nothing of the classical works except nihilism, which I only briefly stand in.
The bulk of my thoughts are simply research things. Science, if something says that something is better for my health, and there is enough evidence for it, I shall do it.
Having a philosophy that could hinder my ability to do these things is retarded. A modern man should use all the modern conveniences, all the modern technology, science and truths to better himself. You dont need thousand year old, dirt farmer bullshit to keep yourself entertained. Those guys didnt have nukes, they didnt have cars, nor did they knew how the world worked.
Why the fuck would you want to have any kind of piece of advice from them? Are these people going to tell you that asbestos causes cancer? Are these old philosophers going to tell you to avoid leaded gasoline? Are they going to comment on the excessive sugar that we have in our food today? No they wont. Because they were dumb as shit.
I live by the law of God
>>37250928
>autism speaks, it's time to listen
>>37250854
sounds like you're just a teenager t b h
>>37240656
If it has a hole, fuck it
>>37250984
sun tzu is not going to explain to you the merits, or non merits of mutually assured destruction with nuclear weapons.
Nor will he advice you on SEAD missions against foreign anti air defenses
In the same way, neither will old, dirt peasants offer any advice to you on how to live a life surrounded by fast transport, a diverse range of foods. Vitamins, nutritional science, making gainz with alcohol and more.
You can completely discard the people from the far past.
But I guess most of you cant since you guys got a low amount of IQ points, like religion it fits well for you since you cant ascend it all to digest the information, the truth around you on your own.
Who
>Stoic Christian men lifting for the sole purpose of bettering yourself and building a better society for your children
here?
>>37251032
You have to seperatw the wheat from the chaff dude. Its kind of eerie how some of the stuff old philosophers say rings true today
>>37250142
Found the pseudo
>>37251056
Yea I am sure that they all thought really far ahead, and that things like wheat, are actually psuedonames/metaphors for the future technologies. That are nothing like what they had.
The funny thing is, there are plenty of people like that who try to desperately bring the old into relevance with a lot of interpretive reading, struggling to drag something that they can understand, into a world that they cannot understand. Most notably religious ones. But at a higher level still, probably a bunch of philosophy faggets like in this thread.
I don't have a philosophy because I don't identify with thoughts and feelings, I see them but there is a space before those thoughts I abide in. I'm still partially identified as a part of my humanness but I've seen too much at this point. A couple years ago I had what some spiritual communities call a non abiding awakening, a moment of clarity, a foretaste of enlightenment which I can never unsee.
I can use words to describe it but if you haven't had the experience yourself you'll never know. The words closest to describing it is truth, clarity, freedom, infinite spaciousness, unfathomable peace, pure awareness where one is not swayed by thought or overcome by emotion one bit, while still being completely in tune with those things.
It's quite incredible and true bliss, it came to me after a time of deep darkness and desperation where I decided to fully surrender my control on life after I couldn't hold onto the pain anymore. I bet you're wondering when I'm going to rip my fedora.
Take it as you will, but if there's one thing in life I can say is the truth of reality is everything the heart desires and more. It's the cessation of looking for completion and it's nothing like you imagine. It has nothing to do with materialism but it doesn't negate those things. It is the wholeness of life, both dark and light and it's real. So if you ever feel like giving up, completely letting go is the answer. You don't need to act you can competely stand in your own two shoes and stop looking for a center or identity to latch onto. Most people go their whole lives believing in the masks they put on. You don't need a mask, let life flow through you and surrender.
>>37251211
could you descrbe your "awakening" more, i am interested in that
>>37251032
i don't think you've read sun tzu t b h.
>>37251274
I really doubt that there is any mention of nuclear weapons, or anti air defenses in sun tzu's works...
>>37251211
And still you spend your time on 4chan
>>37251285
no, but it's also not a tactics manual which is why it's obvious you've not read it.
its philosophy for management of people and managing adversity.
it's easily applicable to the 21st century in both corporate and militaristic capacities.
your argument is like saying the prince isn't a good book on philosophy because we don't live in the 1400s.
its idiotic.
>>37251297
>>37251308
Mutually assured destruction is philosophy of our new age. So are ballistic missiles, reconnaissance with satellites, drones and more. Propaganda, knowledge and other things are still more diverse factors that leave that old stinky philosopher in the dust. Together, they change the underlying approach to warfare, to the philosophy of it. We also get economic warfare, proxy warfare and more factors added to the mix.
The world did not stand still from the moment that these writers wrote their stuff. You would be better off reading something more new, and relevant.
What you guys have, what old philosophy is, is basically one giant authority fallacy, history fallacy even. Just because it was in the past, doesnt mean that its any good now.
Religion tried to govern life for the people inside of it, but it failed to keep up with industry, with science, economy and even something that should have been kept part of us longer, sociology/biology.
The rate of change, of inventions and lifestyles has changed so much in the last 100 years, that nearly all of the old advice is completely useless now. The only thing that didnt change is our biology, so at best you can add a few tidbits about psychology...at best. Since that is also a refined science now...
>>37251364
yeah cool you're just doubling down on your original argument despite me already pointing out the flaw to begin with
you don't know whats actually in the philosophies of sun tzu as you've never read it.
you can repeat yourself ad nauseum it doesn't change the fact you're talking out your ass
you can discuss your obsession with nuclear warfare with somebody who gives a fuck.
>>37251371
You are just mad because you are irrelevant.
spoiler alert: philosophy got replaced by science
religion got replaced boy extensive law books covering EVERYTHING.
You guys are pathetic low IQ retards dabbling in lore from underdeveloped civilizations.
>>37251386
your logic is so undeveloped and unwieldy it's pretty evident to me you're still in highschool.
>>37240909
Enchiridion basically tells you don't enjoy life because sadness can strike at any moment. Epiticus literally says when you kiss yor wife and kids remind yourself that they are only human so that I they die you are not overcome with sorrow. Cowardly philosophy in my opinion. Why would you not allow yourself to love those closest to you without measure, the sorrow you feel in calamity only means that you felt love and happiness at times of peace.
>>37251413
All that bark and no bite, but that is technically what those types are according to our new standards, proper stands of society. Those nations in the past might have well been second world, or even third world nations. Underdeveloped, barbaric and retarded.
Why would you want to take any kind of lore from them right now? Why dont you go into africa and listen to all the niggers going on about voodoo, and eating hearts if you want to listen to similar themes? Well since we are white, we are a bit better than that, so mexico is nearly the equivalent today of what europe was in the past.
You are basically taking lore, thoughts and ideas from third worlders instead of scientific institutions, industry leaders and others. Its pretty hilarious actually.
>>37248754
I don't know if I would be as successful today without it. I would have stayed bitter, friendless, and never went on to do much.
For that, I can forgive it's faults
>>37251445
> i haven't read it but I hate it because I like science.
you also do realise you're replying to more than 1 person right?
there is no further argument, go and read some philosophy.
you clearly think its just poetry and esoteric diatribes or someshit, when in actuality they're guidelines and people offering practical advice from what they've experienced.
Better myself every day.
MAGA
1488.
>>37251469
I doubt that you even read it, you cant even comment on how it interacts with mutually assured destruction, a modern day PHILOSOPHY on both sides that is preventing global war between the super powers.
or is there somekind of passage in there that you think is a clever metaphor for nukes, like somekind of rock "thou shalt not throw a giant rock at an enemy, if he can also throw a giant rock at you!"
>>37250142
how about you interpret this dick you pretentious faggot
>>37251490
how many times does this need to be said
it's not a tactics or strategy manual.
go and read it, just GOOGLE an EXCERPT or a CHAPTER and READ IT.
>>37251490
>>37251445
>>37251386
>>37251364
>>37251285
>>37251032
>>37250928
>being this dumb on purpose
>>37251482
Mein nigger
Be a good person. The world is full of shits and I ain't gonna be one of em. Help people, be nice, do things others won't because someone has to.
Don't take shit from people. Have self respect. Don't let people take advantage of you, perform favours because you like the person, know you're unlikely to get anything back. Do it anyway.
Be honest. To yourself and others, even if it's a detriment. Honesty is respectable; so is integrity, dignity, and honour. The only person who can take those things from you is you.
Deadlift heavy. Treat women with the ammount of respect they deserve; on a by the person basis. If you fuck up admit to it. Eat pussy.
Have hobbies. Learn; respect education and instill a respect for learning and education in children and those around you. Don't be a jackass. There's a difference between teaching someone something and telling them it.
Pretty much it I think.
>>37240656
Peace is a lie
There is only passion
Thru passion I gain strength
Thru strength I gain power
Thru power I gain victory
Thru victory my chains are broken
>>37251636
someone already posted this
>>37251510
>goalpost moving
kek
>>37251646
Cool. A brother in arms
>>37251676
uh nope heres the first post >>37251308
point hasn't changed since point 1
guessing you don't know what goal post moving means
smoke weed, lift weights, play with lasers
this is how to achieve a good life
>>37251691
>its philosophy for management of people and managing adversity.
then explain to me how mutually assured destruction is not that.
>>37251676
>LMAO sun tzu a shit coz nukes
>it no strategy manual, it's a philosophy for managing people and adversity
>NUKES NUKES NUKES
>did you read it?
>no but NUKES!
>it's not a strategy manual, go read it
>LMAO GOALPOST MOVING (AND NUKES)
>It's only a problem when you make one out of it.
>Humans achieved everything. You're human, you can achieve everything.
>When everything around you is shit, look even more polished.
>>37251708
> goal post moving!
> do you even know what goalpost moving means?
> immediately drops it.
yep.
>>37251713
>>37251708
To iterate further on this, many of the basic variables changed.
>cant engage in war between nuclear powers anymore
>strength of standing armies rendered nearly moot
>the new meta is basically subterfuge, economic warfare, media and even things like immigration, technological spying.
So tell me, how is his advice of any use in this modern age. I can already somewhat guess what third worlder wrote down. So humor me.
>>37251740
you can literally apply sun tzu's shit in every day human interactions
it's very universal
>inb4 nukes
>>37251740
> this guy still hasn't read sun tzu
> he still thinks its a tactics manual
> hes still making the same argument
jesus fucking christ.
READ THE BOOK YOU'RE ARGUING VEHEMENTLY AGAINST
you got fucking sun tzu over here talking about how to troubleshoot communication errors in your army
and then you got this retard talking about
> muh mutually assured destruction
>>37251740
>the new meta is basically subterfuge, economic warfare, media and even things like immigration, technological spying.
all things that were refined in the time periods of sun tzu and Machiavelli
things sun tzu wrote about.
its in the book right now .. maybe you should .. go read it.
Harry's code, is the code I live by.
>>37240787
>Wanderer complex because shunned by society and viewed as nothing but a greedy killer for hire. Seen as the bad guy even if he fights in self defense or to protect someone
>Is contrary to the games not a super hero who easily can defeat 5 armed bandits attacking him at once without getting the chance to drink his elixirs first so gets beat up and loses fights fairly often
>Poor since monsters are on the way to extinction so no work, regularly goes days without eating a proper meal
>Constantly used by sociopaths in power to do their dirty work
>Depressed because he wanted to be a normal boy and get cuddled by his mother
>Is because of the previous statement beta as fuq in love with a sorceress who toys with his mind and treats him like dirt
Yeah but I guess you would get cool white hair and a nice physique without having to lift
>>37240656
Stoicism + Laveyan Satanism (NOT theistic satanism) = best philosophies
>>37251768
>>37251780
>>37251801
Philosophy and logic concocted during a period of low complexity, always tends to be low in complexity in return. As to deal with it. It is only logical to assume that a third worlder from such an era would not concoct anything useful for a modern era.
Like I said, its pretty moot to read all of this.
>>37251899
why do you insist on him being a 'third worlder'?
>>37251860
>9gag
>>37251913
high mortality rate
low technological prowess
and a bunch of other things. He comes from a third world country by all standards.
His main concerns were most likely food, territorial conquest and a bunch of other savage stuff. You dont formulate modern era thoughts from that.
>>37251899
philosophy is never discarded it's just built upon.
you realise everything you refer to as "superior" was built on the foundations of the philosophy you feel the need to insult.
math, science, law are all products of philosophy.
>>37251966
Honest question, how old are you?
>>37251966
do you even realize how pretentious and ignorant at the same time you sound? is it on purpose? are you trolling?
>>37251937
i swear i just found it from a google search senpai
>>37251966
Hhahaha.
This whole thread is just this guy getting the shit kicked out of him in argument by a bunch of people.
>>37251990
oh but it is discarded, philosophy is nothing more than a logic path. Derived from current world variables. If those variables are low, the end result will also be low. That is why its moot to dabble into any of it.
>>37252028
no, it's not.
law is built on the same philosophy it has been since its inception
so is maths logic
so is scientific method
so is warfare
the principals are the same with modified variables.
>>37251995
it's what happens when you're about 18-19
you graduate highschool and realise there's a big world out there
and you wanna form opinions on that world
you don't really understand the world, but fuck it, you want to have opinions and they're always STRONG OPINIONS.
it's always black and white, i'm right & you're wrong.
and the logic is always flimsy and they regularly contradict themselves, mostly because they're piecing together stuff they've read or heard from others rather than any critical thought.
i was like him too a few years ago, so I don't hold it against him it's just a part of growing up.
>>37240746
>>37240769
>>37240823
>>37240822
you can actually take quite a few useful things from christianity even if you are not a christian. I'm atheist (pantheist really) but have recently taking in some christian ideas (and symbolism).
>>37252058
Idk, what if he's older?
Either way, it's pretty funny and I want him to post moar.
>>37252039
Not really, any complexity added beyond the basic stuff biological stuff (like, if thing hits you = dead you, prevent that)
Mathematics proved to be a blind side to Christianity for example, they made a whole ideology based around the avoidance of tribal warfare, which resulted in an overpopulated world, filled with niggers (becuz they have souls).
Pretty much 100% of what was used in the past, can now be discarded. Not a single philosophy managed to be dragged into the new world without surviving it. We even gained additional ones, ideas even, like multiverse theories, simulations and whatnot. Which are much more closer to the fabric of reality.
I am pretty sure that none of your philosophers, including tzu are even remotely relevant today.
The only thing that hasnt changed, that they had a slight inclination of understanding towards against, was human nature. But even that changed recently, with fatties and low testosterone running rampant, making people such as you not know how to deal with them.
the whole sjw movement was born out of this blind spot for the inability to embrace and understand the modern changes.
So however basic it is, one can easily argue that those old philosophies have failed, since the ones who are using them, are now dying out.
>>37252028
>philosophy is nothing more than a logic path
You just re-defined philosophy as something that it isn't. You do realize that any arguments that you have against that thing you now call "philosophy" doesn't apply to what is actually and commonly meant by philosophy, and are therefore worth nothing?
>>37252039
>>37251990
As a law student with interests in philosophy I'd second this pretty hard
>>37252106
All human language on some level is just logic paths, some more subtle than others (emotions, through evolutionary logic), others more blatant.
Its basically, if X happens, you must do Y, Because of Z.
All of human language is based on it. From feeling emptiness, lack of things, abundance of things, excessive behaviors, reactions to certain observed behaviors, questions about observations. its all just one giant logic puzzle.
But the problem is that puzzle stems from an older era, with no modern era complexities. Making it pretty irrelevant for todays world.
You basically need nothing else but scientific journals in todays world.
>>37252098
> including tzu are even remotely relevant today.
Principals taught to military officers in 2016.
Jesus christ kid do you know they still teach Dicta Boelcke to fighter pilots in 2016?
That's a book from fucking 1916.
>>37252149
that is rather a symptom of our inability to let go of the past, while not being able to invent new stuff, than a testament of its validity. I mean, look at this thread, look at the world today. In this chaotic world, the majority of humans still are tied to 2000 year old textbooks, that tell them not to sow 2 different crops side by side.
>>37240909
Lol faggot
Meditations is top tier
Enchiridion is poorly written in comparison. Marcus writing is elegant while Enchiridion is wordy and dry
>>37252165
No it's the fact the principals were perfect, and adding complexity for the sake of it is idiotic.
>>37252139
> Teenagers first try at logic.
>>37244340
True Geralt mode
>>37252175
No I really doubt it. We as humans also evolve over time, we grow more aware as well. Some tactics and strategies that we used in the past, become redundant and moot. Complexity is constantly added. Some of it is discarded, some of it is swapped. We as humans do this all the time.
The only good static, "philosophy" to have is to always get the optimal solution, from any system, any change.
Sometimes it means labeling your enemies as enemies, sometimes as potential allies, sometimes even as customers. Sometimes, like the jews, they dig deep to prevent cognition of war and slowly erode reality around them. Or breed them out of existence.
As we go forward into the future, we slightly change, we slightly react. Until the things of old are completely irrelevant, past a certain treshold.
Like I said again, and gave many example upon, there is no philosophy of old that is still relevant today, save from a couple of extremely basic ones related to biology.
>>37252165
the world is as chaotic now as it was then.
if anything its slightly less chaotic.
specifically point to a spot in history where you think your argument is valid.
your whole argument this whole is just sweeping statements with nothing to back it up
> world is so chaotic today.
is a great example of why you're being smashed by 20 people all picking apart your arguments.
>>37252237
>Like I said again, and gave many example upon
you did say it a lot, but you've given zero (0) examples. you give the impression of someone who doesn't really know what he's talking about, but tries really hard to appear knowledgeable
>>37250971
Which one?
>>37252247
kek, do you even know the amount of information that is flowing around today. From satellite feeds, to twitters, people researching different things.
A thousand years ago 90% of all people did one thing, being dumbass farmers, going to a bar, and that was about it.
Today they are glued to all kinds of information sources, to all kinds of diverse jobs. From hair salons, to engineers, to tech companies releasing new toys.
The amount of variables have increased 100 fold. You would have to be really dumb to think that its the same.
>>37252262
The examples are around us today. Tell me what things are being talked about today in high society, in industry and scientific worlds. The things that provide you with the food, with the clothes that you wear, the things that you work for.
Are there any warrior castes remaining? Are there any stoic men left? Are there kings, queens of relevance today? Is there anyone who is like the third worlders that you idolize today, alive in todays world?
>>37252237
The only example you've given is Sun Tzu doesn't work because we have nukes.
Sun Tzu speaks on a lot of things, including management, logistics, communication, leadership, and more esoteric things like the spirit of men.
Lets just go to google right now and pick a Sun Tzu quote:
First result on google
> Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win.
Very simple philosophy for anybody making decisions in their life.
How is this not applicable in 2016?
>>37251482
>MAGA
this is the second time I've seen this mentioned in this thread so what does it mean?
>>37252284
>warrior castes remaining
yes
> Are there any stoic men left?
yes
> Are there kings, queens of relevance today
yes, multiple.
> Is there anyone who is like the third worlders that you idolize today, alive in todays world
yes, there are multiple of these similiar philosophers who are actually some of the most renowned persons in modern history
e.g. ghandi, dalai lama
are you serious?
>>37252295
So its an expansion of the war, to pre-plan it, for plebs. With some emotional notion of what war entails (expected reaction from your enemies), is this thing written for toddlers?
![neckbeard-lighter-640x533[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YP3U2EV.jpg "neckbeard-lighter-640x533[1].jpg")
>Work hard and good things will come to you
>Life will put everyone in their place
>Everyone will get what's coming to them
Not to sound like a supreme fedoralord, but so far everything above has come true
>>37252284
>The things that provide you with the food, with the clothes that you wear, the things that you work for
This has been literally unchanged for ages
Philosophies are not some specific instructions on how to live your life. They are very general principles of coping with reality and the human condition.
Humanity hasn't really changed that much in the last ~5k years. Sure, we have more advanced toys, we travel faster and communicate more efficiently, but our nature is barely changed at all.
>>37252139
If you had gone to the "everything is just a physical reaction that follows it's causal links to a certain end" -zone you could have had a somewhat of an point, but no.
For someone so interested in science you seem to be quite lacking when it comes to knowledge, and I that is understandable (especially if you are young) but maybe you should get out of that teenager mindset of "mooom lol i like alrdy know everything"
If you want to have some kind of actual understanding of the human language I'd recommend reading f.ex. Wittgenstein to build up some basics. You actually might like his writings, with that raging hard on you have for logic and all.
The principles of Alchemy
>>37252319
>warrior castes
Made redundant and only used in proxy wars, now also made redundant by drones, where is the warrior caste for drone operators.
>are there any stoic men left
no there arent, its either retarded gym buffs like you fucks who are insecure as fuck, chucking down protein powder, or hipster faggots or some other variation of pathetic, low test nu males.
>Are there kings, queens of relevance today
no, its presidents, of so called democracies who are leading over them. Another thing those men of old didnt really have.
We now have new classes who are looked highly upon
>ceo's
>tech guru's like stallman, elon musk
>engineers, inventors (save the poor niggers with GMO food)
>doctors, pilots, taxi drivers etc.
All the old ones have been replaced by new, more complex classes.
>>37251860
See I understand the 9 Sins and some of the 11 Rules, but the 9 Statements seem pretty shit. Regardless, I will read LaVey at some point.
>>37252379
stop trying to make absolute arguments you complete downie
you're just being destroyed.
stop being a teenager for 30 seconds and think logically.
>>37252331
For the first time in 2000 years we have become obese and overweight, this resulted in lower testosterone, this in term resulted in more cuck behavior.
We have changed, we have changed extremely. Not even once in our histories we had this amount of leisure time, with this extreme amount of food. Our biology may not have changed a lot, but our hormones sure did, in response to a drastically different world.
The animal populations also have changed a fuckton, with the biggest species dyoff happening right now. Our ocean acidifying. Woodpeckers being fucked with because of 100% car noise. Buffaloes into extinction. Wolves no longer around us.
This 100 years of industrial revolution was a far bigger change than 2000 years combined. With the whole world now being "the civilization".
Its amazing how badly educated you people are, how desperate you guys are still grasping at third world ideology.
>>37252328
So you concede its applicable in 2016?
Great.
You can derail into whatever that rant is if you want, I won't participate as I don't care.
>>37252415
The only one here being destroyed is you, you dumbass. But you are too thick to even understand it.
You guys are even lucky that I bother with you, that I type out my words for such a pen full of retards.
>>37252448
it's amazing you don't really know what philosophy is despited how strongly you're arguing against philosophy.
>>37252106
this guy hit the nail on the head.
>>37252450
You could learn this outside of tzu though, through modern observations.
>>37252457
> Has about 20 people arguing against him
> Has nobody arguing with him
Yeah, everyone else is being 'destroyed'. Haha.
>>37252481
>lol il show this dude what a popularity fallacy really is, that will show him
hint, there are a lot of people on the left side of the bellcurve.
>>37252470
nice backpedaling
>>37252492
Its factually correct, any kind of logic can be derived from other sources. And like I said, its pretty basic.
>>37252490
> psshhh nothin personnel kid ur juz on the wrong side of the bell curve hehh excuse me while i submit my thesis on why philosophy isn't useful in 2016 to mensa to attain my genius status.
>>37252502
So you admit your an idiot
>>37252502
Isn't the crux of your argument philosophy has no application in 2016.
But you just agreed philosophy has application in 2016?
So hasn't your entire argument just collapsed into itself?
>>37252516
>>37252514
lol third world-er idolizationers.
What you gonna do, pour really hard about your most likely brown "genius" who makes a metaphor about rocks?
>>37252524
Its not philosophy, its a logic path.
>>37252526
>philosophies are irrelevant in 2016
>ok that is relevant, but it's because it's always relevant
that's the point you fucking idiot
>>37252539
Logic is philosophy kid.
>>37252526
pout*
shit, fixed.
>>37252547
No its not, logic is logic, and its based in empirical data. In science. It can be tested, it can be replicated. It holds no relevance to the world of old that doesnt require any of this.
>>37252568
>something as basic and universal as logic holds no relevance to a period of time
wew lad
>>37252568
Jesus I'm laughing so hard right now.
You do realise philosophy is actually logic, right?
Verbatim, literally, that's actually what philosophy is.
What a dumbass.
>>37252568
Tip for you buddy: If you want to try and bluff that you know what you are talking about you can't just come out and say stupid and irrefutably incorrect stuff like that. Go read the wikipedia page for logic or something, maybe after that you can handle an actual book.
>>37252583
I am talking about philosophy as a whole. Most of it is deadweight that is irrelevant today. A million monkeys typed back in those days, and managed to skip across a few tidbits of relevance.
Yet the word philosophy evokes entirely that, the irrelevance. Logic belongs to science. Not to philosophy.
>>37252568
this guy actually doesn't know what philosophy is
it all makes sense now
>>37252600
No, philosophy is bad logic that is not trimmed down by the rigorous trimming of real world reaction, and re-formulation.
>>37252611
And you would be one of those monkeys doing it today if not for those old monkeys, because we wouldn't get anywhere without it. Understand that whatever progress we've made is based and built upon those principles of old.
>>37252628
No, hahahah.
You can try redefine words all you want, it doesn't change the fact you're unequivocally wrong and misinformed about what philosophy is.
You're objectively wrong, stop trying to argue this point.
Don't believe me? Type philosophy into Google.
Dumbass.
>>37252640
That does not mean that you should consume the puss that these people have exhumed. Whatever ideology remained from those days, has long been incorporated into modern lore that works.
Instead of looking at the future, you guys are still obsessed to things that are basically third world thoughts.
>>37248150
Yes, very similar but I'm an atheist. If anything the old pagan gods were representations of ideals to live by or ways to teach morality.
