The egg industry has already been prohibited from advertising their product as healthy and safe. It's only a matter of time that meat (especially processed meat) and dairy get their due.
Make whole food plant gains.
Source?
>>37218069
Dude. Plants are living, sentient beings. A cabbage feels as much fear and pain as a piglet. No matter what course of action you choose, as a human being you can only contribute to the death and overall suffering of all living things on Earth.
>>37218183
>A cabbage feels as much fear and pain as a piglet
Nope
piglet have a brain ? YES
cabbage have a brain ? NO
you are retarded ? YES
anyway meat eaters kill more plants than vegans, so if you really care for the plants stop eating corpses.
To trigger vegans.
>>37218282
you mean to get egg board's cock far up your ass.
>>37218281
what about like fruit flies then? or Cockroaches? Are they okay to eat? Seeing as they have small brains/practically nothing for brains.
>>37218069
Is this the same government that makes cigarettes legal and kinder eggs illegal? Doesn't seem like a great source for nutrition or safety advice.
>>37218281
Oh man this steak that I'm eating at this very moment tastes so good. I can only imagine how scared that cow was as they slaughtered the fuck out of it. There was probably so much blood.
And before you give your sperglord response: Yes, "I'll enjoy my cancer" from my meat. And I'll continue making more gains than you ever will.
>>37218320
i don't know i'm not gary yourofsky, but you must really hate potatoes if your really want to eat cockroaches
>>37218069
I'm not about to enter auchwitz mode vegan fag
>>37218365
I'm just trying to figure out how the number of neurons a living being has somehow makes a difference in when to kill it or not. Basically OP doesn't want to kill animals for food because of the feels.
Helping the environment not roast us all is a far more compelling argument for not eating meat then moralistic bullshit.
>>37218365
Insects are protein based. Potatoes are a starch. Your argument makes no sense.
>>37218351
enjoy your diabetes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6t4tBmbPko8
enjoy your short life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ud7RkxtO3-Y
enjoy your man boobs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6q8E2-Egdo
enjoy your heart disease
oh and yeah, enjoy your cancer ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8SDN4QjEXI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6aAFKlr7hs
>>37218069
>Make whole food plant gains.
Where?
Literally where are his gains?
>>37218120
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtGf2FuzKo4
>>37218422
It feels good to eat meat, and pretty much any garbage I want, I eat lots of different types of meats, I'd say at least 4 types of different animals have to die everyday for me to maintain my pointless vanity and strength, both of which you will never achieve. I'm might get cancer, I might not, if I do the chances it steming from meat is probably just as low as anything else i do. I'm not going to limit my life living eating only lame ass plants and stupid ass beans is for cucks.
>>37218397
when you understand it's wrong to kill creatures who have a cerebral cortex like ours, then you can talk about insects.
>>37218404
it's a joke, and potatoes are 7% protein.
>>37218432
>body dysmorphia
>>37218481
>i love eating cancerous shit, leave me alone
ok.
>>37218351
This is so edgy
>>37218481
it feels good to snort cocain...
>>37218484
>when you understand it's wrong to kill creatures who have a cerebral cortex like ours, then you can talk about insects.
>I draw arbitrary lines in the sand and want you to agree
Nah, I get enough DHA to notice retardation.
>>37218486
>looks like shit
>is retarded
>lives with his mother
>weak as fuck
>vegan
Imagine that.
>>37218523
unfortunately you don't get enough IQ points to understand what i wrote.
>>37218484
So why is it wrong to kill creatures with a cerebral cortex then? What makes them special?
>>37218069
Vegan walnuts and avocados are prohibited to be labelled healthy and safe too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTUuTXlRo2Q
how the fuck can you hit your macros being vegan?
>>37218484
So only mammals then?
>>37218351
Hate to break your fantasy, but it wasn't scared at all. It was dead in an instant.
>>37218547
>Projecting this hard.
>>37218562
samefag
>>37218496
Mad because your shit diet don't allow you to accomplish anything
Vegans are retarded I swear.
The other day near my work they were protesting in front of a new steak joint that opened up right beside a vegan restaurant. During lunch I went for a steak with a coworker to try out the new place. There were about 60 Vegans outside protesting outside of it, so we had to more or less walk through them to get in.
One bitch then shouted "don't go in there!! They're murderers! You're gonna get cancer!"
All the while she was smoking... Smfh.
>>37218543
also
>feet fetishist
>cuck tendencies
>batman (I don't know what does it have to do with anything, but it's goofy)
>>37218548
>>37218561
because you can know exatly that they feel pain and they suffer, stab a cow with a knife and she'll start screaming just like a human will.
that's because they share the same mechanismes that interprates pain.
now you can't be that sure about a cockroach because he don't have a similar brain.
duh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8
>>37218605
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgy6UPG7Hq0
those are not the majority of vegans.
and they typical vegan is more educated than your average uga booga meat eater.
> He thinks I care about the suffering of beings that do not have the capacity for self reflection
> He thinks I feel guilty for eating mat
> Mfw
>>37218605
There is a vegan at my gym that goes fake tanning after every workout lol
>>37218476
>asked to cite source
>youtube
lots of high school students in here
>>37218555
Nigger just say "protein" instead of "macros" since we all know the idiots of /fit/ are scared of carbs and fat anyway
anyway: beans, tofu, green veggies, nuts and seeds, hemp seeds, texturized soy protein, and rice protein which is comparable to whey "protein" and won't give you heart disease
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4595032/
>>37218645
that's like saying,
>asked to cite source
>an internet link.
discuss the content faggot, not where it's at.
>>37218639
Gender studies and liberal arts don't count as education. Also all my fellow engineering graduates eat meat afaik.
>>37218614
Fish nor invertebrates have type C nerve fibers in enough density to register pain.
By your criteria, that makes them okay to eat.
>>37218614
I don't particularly care when a lion kills his prey, or when a bird is hunted by a cat. It's the way nature is built. Why should I feel bad for being evolved an omnivore and indulging in the pleasures that I was clearly designed for?
>>37218640
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU6CrlbfVk
they know what's going on son.
fucking hell this post again? just let other people do them and you do you. vegans always trying to get in everyones business gahdamn
>>37218484
>when you understand its wrong to kill creatures who have cerebral cortex
Bait or what?
>animals also kill other animals for food or just because they are around
>>37218665
>which is comparable to whey "protein"
Why do you lie on the internet?
Anyone else /eatingmeatatthisverymoment/ here?
Feels good.
>pic related.
>>37218640
>He thinks I care about the suffering of beings that do not have the capacity for self reflection
i guess it's fine to kill and eat the mentally disabled too right
>He thinks I feel guilty for eating mat
you'll feel guilty when your dick finally stops working due to clogged arteries
>>37218484
7g of protein. Not 7% protein.
>>37218667
>thinking youtube is acceptable standard source for information rather than actually looking at peer reviewed studies
you gonna just read any blog and trust their facts without source? You gonna just eat up what the news tells you?
>>37218682
you don't hunt your own prey like lions do.
don't pay someone to fatten and kill the animals for your. then i'll have no problem with you.
>>37218069
Meat taste good. I don't care animals. Case closed
Meat: 1 Vegan: 0
>>37218640
LEAVE MAT ALONE
>>37218701
>i guess it's fine to kill and eat the mentally disabled too right
>I don't see any difference between a human and a beast whose sole existence is to be eaten.
>>37218737
it's fine to eat the mentally disabled as they don't feel pain or emotions, you meat eaters eat things we emotions and that's just wrong
>>37218700
How do you cook it so proper? My steaks look like shit.
>>37218725
Pls youtube lil dicky ft brain then pls go
>>37218698
where did i say you can't eat it if you kill it yourself ?
lions don't shop for meat at walmart. they don't have livestocks, actually they kill the weakest/oldest prey, selectively upgrading the quality of the herd.
>>37218725
>Still drawing arbitrary lines in the sand
you are still retarded.
>>37218699
why are you too butthurt to read peer-reviewed studies?
>>37218700
You realize a life was taken so you can have your ebin meme steak?
On top of that you're begging for cancer.
Let thay weigh on your conscious.
>>37218700
Just finished eating a steak but it didn't look that red and delicious.
>>37218700
Mmm! Ass cancer!
>>37218755
>thinking every person on the planet has the time to hunt for food
>thinking animals only target old prey
They also hunt progeny. They also can just straight up eat eggs. And im pretty sure they wouldn't give a fuck about processed meat if they went to walmart, they gonna eat all that shit up including the customers.
>>37218614
We are the top of the food chain. All animals fear humans.
>>37218700
>i eat steaks
>>37218689
I'm sorry, but that video doesn't prove anything.
Animal rights fags project their own humanity onto animals and interpret their behaviors as somehow being a sign of intelligence or of human-esque nature. You can't analyse animals like you analyse humans.
Also, even the smartest animals are really dumb compared to your average human. Chickens for instance are really stupid.
They do not have the capacity for self reflection, that's all. I feel no guilt in eating meat or exploiting million of animals.
>>37218769
you better be a female
>>37218770
Step 1. Prep steak with oil and pepper
Step 2. Make Pan really hot
Step 3. If steak has fat on side, fry the fat till it goes golden
Step 4. Fry steak 45 sec each side
Step 5. Take pan off heat, allow the steak to rest for a few minutes on pan
Step 6. Eat it and weigh on your mind that a life was taken for your meal, just as your lifeless body shall supply beings of the future with nourishment -- smile knowing you have obeyed the natural order of life, and that you have a cheeky steak to eat with some roast potatoes
>>37218543
>looks like shit
explain
>>37218701
That argument is absolute shit btw.
You don't eat kids because they will eventually turn into humans.
You don't eat the mentally disabled because they're fucking humans you dumbass.
>>37218768
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4595032/
Did you read it?
Because it shows that plant protein is significantly inferior.
Or are you a Digest-ALL (Vegetarian plant enzyme complex) MRM (Metabolic Response Modifiers) shill?
>>37218700
>mfw corps eaters think that vegans feel tempted to eat meat
kek, it's like showing us a cancerous piece of crap and say hey vegans look i'm eating a cancerous warm crap.
>mfw i'm glad he got a higher death probability. from those awful diseases
>mfw praying for a sudden heart attack for him
>>37218821
He has the appearance of a DYEL turd.
>>37218833
>mfw vegans are actually just sad, insecure frogposters who wish negativity on other people as an attempt to regain some of their lost masculinity
Just go suck a cock ya sissy slut
>>37218815
Probably Mt favourite post of the year so far.
Thanks for that.
And I agree wholeheartedly, steaks are definitely cheeky as fuck.
>>37218833
>mfw there are vegan products that is supposed to mimic the taste and look of meat
>>37218780
>thinking every person on the planet has the time to hunt for food
i don't care, if you want to eat cancerous corpses, go kill it
>thinking animals only target old prey
by definition they do, only the weak get caught. ofcourse there are exceptions but that's the standard.
>>37218821
pic related
>>37218281
How do you know if what science we currently know shows everything a plant can feel?
For all we know, plants are part of a much larger mind of something else. Killing anything shouldn't be tolerated.
But then how do we live? Oh that's right, we have to eat things to survive. It's how it's always been for literally every living thing since the dawn of time. Pain and fear is just a survival mechanic. Animals eat animals, plants 'eat' plants, we eat whatever we can get our hands on.
Take your self-righteous bullshit somewhere else while I enjoy eating whatever the fuck I want
>>37218667
MEDICAL SCIENCE IS NOT PUBLISHED ON FUCKING YOUTUBE YOU DUMB FAGGOT. FUCK OFF.
>>37218863
um plants get all their nutrience from the sun, so um, kindly um, leave please?
>>37218397
Los do you believe climate change is real? Tell me more about your autism, buddy
>>37218798
>I'm sorry, but that video doesn't prove anything.
are you sure or just wasting my time ? so what else is he doing besides crying the death of his friend ? singing him a song or someshit ?
>>37218880
>so um, kindly um, leave please?
Go back to tumblr and stay go faggot
>>37218828
>Because it shows that plant protein is significantly inferior.
except rice.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4595032/
>>37218848
yes but they don't give you this >>37218422
>>37218860
>calls everything cancerous without actually providing some sort of proof that all meat eaters will have a 100% chance of experiencing some form of cancer
>still not understanding animals kill whatever unsuspecting, less fit animals are around
>not wanting to stop animals from eating meat
Is your only reason we should stop eating meat because its processed? You just looking out for us? If you are doing that, thanks. Also, go after the tobacco companies, alcohol, all foods that are grown using pesticides, all combat sports, etc.
>>37218882
Most people who study the climate agree that it's a real thing.
>Actual scientist vs conspiratard on an anime forum
I'll pick the scientist
>>37218880
If I ever meet you in real life I'll probably drown you.
>>37218909
>>37218828
wrong study
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3698202/
>>37218910
>all youtube links to provide proof
i dare you to walk into a room full of scholars and present your studies using all these youtube videos.
>>37218846
i want to burn every single corpse eating ooga booga retard and piss on their ashes, deal with it faggot
>>37218942
do it then. No one is stopping you. The only person stopping anyone from doing anything are vegans
>>37218965
can u not post okay
>>37218915
processed meat is supposed to be pretty bad for you btw. Not a vegan, but I've been trying to cut back a little bit and just eat meat I cook myself.
>>37218880
lolololol. Plants converts the suns energy to a usable form of energy, ATP.
However, plants still require water and the nutrients from the soil to survive.
>>37218893
I'm not saying he's doing one thing or another. I'm saying you can't really know what's he fucking doing because he's a donkey and you're a human.
When you say he's crying, you are merely projecting human feelings on an animal. For all you know, the two events could be unrelated. For all you know, his yelling could be a show of anxiety and not a show of sadness.
Also, the feelings of animals are mostly worthless since they do not have the capacity for self reflection, introspection, logical analysis or anything like that.
Lastly, animals, and especially this fucking donkey in particular, cannot determine themselves. They are both slaves to the natural order of the world, and to us their masters.
>>37218976
>just eat meat i cook myself
I know you meant meat that you hunt yourself. Yes, everything that is processed is bad for you but why do vegans care that its processed? I thought they were angry about animals being killed. If meat gives us cancer, then vegans should be happy that all meat eaters have a 100% chance of death due to cancer. That way, 100% of all vegans will be the only ones left. But oh wait, thats not true since all meat eaters have survived for the whole existence of humans.
>>37218915
are you retarded ?
meat if officially a type 1 and 2 carcinogen [sauce : WHO}
hunters by definition kill the unfit, exceptions ca be made.
i don't want to stop animals from eating meat because they don't lock their prey in cubicals all their lives. they do actually kill for their own meat.
>Is your only reason we should stop eating meat because its processed
no. lurk more.
>>37218975
only if you stop posting.
>>37218993
>ATP
No lad photosynthesis produces glucose and oxygen
>The Egg Industry
Those fucking chickens were trying to kill us this whole time?
>>37219026
That's processed meats bro, not all meats.
>>37219026
Processed meats are. And that includes shit like bacon.
If you've actually read the material, a good deal of it is to do with the preparation and cooking of the meat, for example, burning the meat can make it carcinogenic.
>>37218281
>doesn't know the research on plants
http://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,,-83446,00.html
Gas yourself
>>37219026
>stating facts about why meat is bad for you
I don't understand. Is your agenda to help humans health or is it to stop humans from killing animals? If you really thought eating meat will kill humans, you should be thankful that all meat eaters will die. But thats not the case since all vegans and meat eaters die.
And in terms of biology, being fit means being able to reproduce with a high chance of progeny survival.
If you really wanted to get your point across, do so in a manner that isn't ambiguous. Don't call someone retarded just because your not organized in the way you try to communicate.
>>37219026
Plants have actually been proven to be more carcinogen than meat. [sauce : WHO]
Also, feelings based arguments are discarted.
>>37219053
>doesn't realize energy from sun is used in ETC and ETC produces ATP
lolololol
>>37218995
>you are merely projecting human feelings
that's because we share the same brain (mammalian) you fucking retard.
>they do not have the capacity for self reflection, introspection, logical analysis or anything like that.
they can feel pain and suffering, and that's what matters here.
>They are both slaves to the natural order of the world, and to us their masters.
you are the type of guy that knows that he deserves no sympathy when he gets let's see ... cancer or something.
>>37219053
you realize that photosynthesis also produces other byproducts?
>>37219141
>>37219113
I think my primary school science teacher would know more than you.
>>37219121
1) That's not an argument you fucking retard. I don't think you understand what a proof is. Read up on epistemology you stupid faggot.
2) I've already deal with that argument. Adresse my points instead of repeating yourself like a drooling idiot.
3) Not an argument.
>>37219179
Do you think suffering is bad?
>>37219121
If I programmed a computer to have an expression of pain when subjected to particular electric impulses, would it be morally wrong to send it those impulses? Likewise, plants have observable reactions to physical harm, and also have shown the capability to learn and altruism. If self-reflection, introspection, etc. don't apply here, what separates these situations?
inb4 muh mammalian brain
>>37218281
>>37218069
Oh god is this another vegan forums incpvasion
We had 500 of these threads in last few months
Kys man
Dont eat "regular" red meat anymore. It honestly doesnt taste that good and there are better protein sources.
But that doesnt mean i cant enjoy some tasty steak with my friends once awhile.
>>37219090
>>37219094
did i say type 1 only ? i wrote 1 and 2
>>37219110
pic related.
>>37219100
>Is your agenda to help humans health or is it to stop humans from killing animals?
no, i want to tell you that by stopping the massacre of sentient beigns that feel pain and suffering like we do, we'll benefit on health and on the environment too.
>you should be thankful that all meat eaters will die. But thats not the case since all vegans and meat eaters die.
hitting strawman here pal. if you eat meat you are more likely to die sooner than a non meat eater. the process of meat eating is destroying the planet and killing innocent beings and that must stop.
>>37219200
The suffering of the animal is worth less than I what I get from exploiting it.
>>37219077
they don't care if you die or not. they're just trying to make money.
>>37219224
Tbqh mate nobody is going to be convinced. The simple fact is that nobody gives a shit how the animals feel, and they aren't too bothered by the risk of cancer.
![1463516586439[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6Pz1FLM.jpg "1463516586439[1].jpg")
>Benchpress is a bad exercise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=14&v=Ykl5SbA6nhk
why are people still listening to this retard?
>>37219179
>That's not an argument
but that's wrog you fucking faggot, do you know what a cerebral cortex is ?
>3) Not an argument.
yes i agree, i didn't make an argument here, i just reminded you what a piece of shit you are.
![1463516762838[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sNQ81th.jpg "1463516762838[1].jpg")
>perfect insertions
>The Egg Industry
![1463517067029[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/N7uqK8S.jpg "1463517067029[1].jpg")
>2016
>not getting green skin by blasting broccoli 24/7
>>37218069
I honestly think of dropping meat off for ethical reasons, but to deny the fact that it's natural and healthy to consume meat, eggs, fish and, for many people, dairy products, is just disingenuous.
here are the facts:
people ARE omnivores
people CAN and SHOULD consume meat
many people of European and middle eastern descent CAN and SHOULD consume dairy products
animals CAN feel pain
the meat, dairy, and poultry industries ARE highly cruel to animals
All of these things are facts. And if you argue against them, you are a liar.
>>37219021
im not even vegan but your projecting is so insane here
nobody is arguing a literal 100 percent cancer rate lol and even if they were it wouldnt prevent meat eaters from having kids. I guess you might be memeing but you really seem to be a special kind of stupid.
>>37219297
why does he have a monkey face?
>>37219265
Tbf he has horrible pec insertions, I don't think any amount of benching would make it look decent, although it would help.
>The farmers were a front
>>37219299
Why should they eat those things?
>>37219297
How do i super mutant mode?
>>37219277
not an argument
>>37219253
>nobody gives a shit how the animals feel
because they don't understand darwinism.
that will change, going forward.
>Those damn business savvy chickens
>>37219168
>uses information from primary school as absolute fact
lol. Bait?
>>37219277
> He thinks he can draw conclusive proofs off the unproven assumptions of scientific reductionism
I asked you to read up on epistemology faggot.
Stop sullying 4chan with your garbage and go educate yourself.
Also you didn't bother answering 2), I guess you gave up on that?
kek
>>37219265
But that's not what he said. And it seems to be working since his chest doesn't look like complete shit now.
>>37219301
Then why even bring up the fact that meat eaters will eventually get cancer?
>>37219311
because they contain multiple nutrients that are crucial and cannot be readily replicated via a vegan diet. Sorry, if you are trying to compare a regular diet that includes moderate amounts of different meats, and demands a small amount of self restraint, with the NASA astronaut-like dietary planning that is required in different ages of life in a vegan diet, you are comparing apples and oranges.
Oh my goodness I made these
B-E-A-U-tiful cheesy bacon furtada muffins this morning.
Biting into one of them was like biting into a dream cloud build upon the suffering of lesser creatures.
So what if it's not good for me, At least my time on this earth will be spent enjoying myself.
>>37218484
>>37218497
>>37218555
>>37218701
>>37218769
>>37218844
>>37219308
> his diet is not responsible for his weird insertions
Collagen and Cartilage are generally responsible for the formation of the end of the muscle fiber or the wound and bound tissues of the ligaments and tendons.
This particular specimen with his constant working out has developed chronic muscle tension as evidenced by his sick vegan cuts. But at the expense of developing his connective tissue.
In fact the integrity of portions of this tissue is so lax that it can be seen as visibly distorted. Look at the bicep and chest.
The working out has created a persistent chronic tension in his ligaments and has deformed them.
This is evident that despite working out his chest, the most deformed and anti leveraged lift, lags the most.
I'd be willing to bet that his connective tissue integrity is so low and his workout and antioxidant addiction so high that any animal protein ingested causes massive flare ups to his hugely damaged system as the body rushes to heal itself with the sparse nutrients.
He's stuck in a downward spiral of pain and tissue degradation wherein he can only live pain free through sustaining a body that promotes further injury.
If you know other vegans you know they have creaky ass joints. This kid doesn't b/c hes blown past that with aggressive weighted stretching and distortion.
If you put him on some joint stabilization exercises of sufficient intensity you'll watch him literally fall apart.
>>37219360
the point is increased risk; only a complete fucking idiot would say it was guaranteed
in my particular case I have decided not to worry about any carcinogens below the absolute worst kinds because the risk isn't that huge and new ones are constantly being found anyway
>>37219389
>not understand vegans always go to cancer card when facts don't support their cause
Do you see why I wanted to point out why bringing up the cancer thing shouldn't be part of their arguments?
>>37219352
>do benchpress with shit form
>Don't get out of curl bro mode after 8 years of lifting
>"Just give up and do something else"
anyone who gives up on benchpress is a retard
>>37219370
What nutrients? Have you actually tried compiling a vegan diet?
>>37218821
Arms arent everything on a physique
Nochest, nolats, nolegs, notraps
Even his shoulders look weird when he does the double biceps pose (like someone pnotoshopped arms of a 220lb bodybuilder to body of 170lb dyel)
Lrn2 proportions m8
>>37219380
the vegan diet did nothing to pic related, you can google thousands of other vegan bodybuilders
VG just have shitty genetics.
>>37218069
Never gonna make it
>>37219440
>implying that's natty
>>37219346
go play with your daddy's ball sack pal.
don't have time for retards here.
>>37219440
show me those thousands and not only 1-2 cherrypicked ones
>>37219470
brian turner is natty
>>37219476
>don't have time for retards here
>4chan
>thinks everyone is an intellectual here
where do you think you are? Go to a university and debate this if you want an actual debate
>>37219476
t. PETA shillbot realizes he can't win with logic.
Your thread is over.
Might as well get dubs at this point
>>37219447
>popular yt channel
>makes like 17k a month
>tranny girlfriend
>cute dogbro
>not making it
>>37219421
That's the thing, I don't have to - I eat normal, readily available products and feel great. I don't even use protein shakes. My vegan friends are either lethargic skinnyfats, fatties, or DYELS that are constantly preplanning their meals like complete spergs.
n.b. they are all far less annoyingly preachy and cult-like, which is why they are my friends, and, you know, not "that person who will let you know they are vegan before introducing themselves"
>>37219492
>go to google
>type "vegan bodybuilder"
>???
>profit.
Being vegan is expensive and ineffective. You have to eat quite a lot to cover the same amount of calories and macros as meat.
>>37218725
Grow all of your plants then.
>>37219281
God damn this dude
>>37219526
>Being vegan is expensive
are we really doing this again.
>You have to eat quite a lot to cover the same amount of calories and macros as meat.
at least you're right about this.
>>37219526
>vegetables and fruit are expensive
Do you live in siberia or something?
>>37219558
>>You have to eat quite a lot to cover the same amount of calories and macros as meat.
>at least you're right about this.
Which makes it expensive.
>>37219526
>Expensive
Depends what you're buying, any diet can be expensive. In my experience a vegan diet is cheaper than a 'normal' diet
>Ineffective
Again, depends on what you eat. Vegan diets can vary greatly. But if you eat lots of nutrient rich foods then you're fine.
>You have to eat quite a lot
Depends what you consider a lot, but yes you will have to eat more. No, this doesn't make it more expensive, vegan food is cheap as fuck (rice, beans, lentils and fruits and vegetables are all very cheap, can be bought in bulk, and are usually the staples of a vegan diet)
>tfw Easteen Europe
>tfw raising and killing our own animals
>tfw our animals don't eat tren to push 2x the mass they could in half the time
>tfw grass and corn fed cattle
>tfw nobody injects chemical shit in steaks to make them pretty and red
>tfw svinjokolja best time of the year slaughtering pigs with friends and drinking rakija
>tfw still have ~200kg of meat in freezer left from december
Feels good man
>>37219634
Do you check for non-food goods if they are products of animals? Some pills, plastic products, perfume etc. are made with animal products.
>>37219681
triggered XDDD
>>37219517
>live a normal life (non self imposed diet cuckoldry) for 2x/3x years while lifting
>become a vegan 3 months ago
>You Won't Believe The Physique Of This Vegan Bodybuilder!
>wow, truly the vegan lifestyle is superior
>>37219672
Don't wear perfume, don't need pills, and rarely use plastic products.
But to answer your question, I try to avoid non-food animal products whenever I can. Sometimes there is no way to tell. But I still strive to avoid them as best I can.
>>37219672
not him but it's near impossible to be fully vegan; doesn't mean you shouldn't make strides where you can
>>37218422
>>37218476
Dr. Gregor again? Don't you vegans have other sources beyond Gregor, McDougall, and that chiropractor whose name escapes me?
Talk about appealing to authority. These guys cherry pick their data.
>>37219681
where
how much
>>37219470
looks natty to me
unlike kinobody he doesn't have ridiculous size at a low bf
>>37218069
Vegans please fuck off with your cult tier beliefs.
Also, stop abusing the word 'science'.
We are omnivores, no we will not go back to caveman hunting just because of your sympathies.
Save the planet, kill yourself.
this thread again
Europeans have been eating bread, meat, dairy and eggs for thousands of years
there are reasons why we're superior, diet is one of them
>>37218553
>fat is bad meme
>lol but this sugar covered processed crusty paper is fine!
>>37220356
/pol/ please go
>>37220955
>implying he is wrong
http://www.eufic.org/article/en/artid/Nutritional-programming/
http://www.unicef.org/sowc98/silent2.htm
http://www.incultureparent.com/2010/12/why-african-babies-dont-cry/
just because things don't sound like they would come out of comrade sanders mouth doesn't mean they must belong in /pol/
>>37219414
There are plenty of Oly lifters who don't bench press. Are they all retards as well?
>>37221003
GHe is not an oly lifter so your argument is invalid. Just point me out one credible bodybuilder or powerlifter who doesn't bench press.
If you had two exercise to chose which you are allowed to do for the rest of your life it would be Benchpress and deadlift.
>>37221056
The green goblin is a bodybuilder/powerlifter? I mean yeah, then it's ridiculous. I mean, the whole premise of him claiming he is a bodybuilder would be laughable. I thought he was just lifting for general aesthetics and health and giving retarded advice on YouTube. Never followed him.
>>37218069
>>37218422
Just about every claim these vegans make is either significantly overstated or uses correlative evidence and is simply not considered true by any serious dietician or registered nutritionist.
If you'll give me a credible source that's not a youtube video, I'd be happy to debate some of these claims or show how insignificant they are. Meat in large amounts is bad, particularly red meat, plenty of evidence there. Dairy and eggs are fine, unless you are lactose intolerant or something.
Almost all dieticians and most government food guidelines include meat and dairy as part of a balanced diet. I've watched this VG video and saying that eating eggs is the cause of that asian bishes back pain is some of the least scientific reasoning I've ever heard. Just because there is one potential mechanism for something, doesn't mean that mechanism is a primary or even a partial cause for whatever the outcome is.
Debate me faggots
Source: bachelor's degree major in nutrition. Not much of a qualification but definitely know more than VG or youtube ecelebs
>>37218865
>getting this mad on the internet
>>37219681
>>37218069
Oh, cool. This thread again...
>>37221106
Well if you were not that stupid then you would have bothered to read the peer reviews studies, some of them containing over one hundred thousand subjects.
>Debate me.
>>37221093
He is worse. He is just a curl bro. A skinny fag with big arms. Actually they are rather normal sized with 13 inches. But because the rest of his body is so small they simply look bigger than they are.
>>37221106
There's no problem with eating meat and dairy in low amounts, but with your Bachelor's in nutrition you probably know that a vegan diet is not only generally healthy, but also in some cases specifically recommended and healthier than one that includes meat and dairy.
For example a vegan diet is best from a purely cardiovascular health standpoint.
I was about writing a long paragraph why that video is BS, but then I realized you're just trolling.
Well played.
>>37219299
I agree, though if you argue against them you aren't a liar, just misinformed.
>>37221223
A vegan diet that is well planned and followed is a very healthy diet, of course. It's also cheaper and arguably more humane than an omnivorous diet. There are however plenty of diets that have been shown to have similar effects on cardiovascular health (the DASH-sodium diet comes to mind), there is simply no one 'best diet'.
If there was such a thing as a best diet, I would say it's the one that you can stick to, and I've personally seen a lot of people struggle to maintain a balanced vegan diet for any lengthy periods of time. The problem is it can take a lot of planning in order to make sure you're not going to develop any deficiencies, and it can be difficult to adhere to when you're out and the only vegan food places around here are vegan donuts etc. Vegan donuts are not healthy, just because something is vegan, doesn't mean it is healthy. Also there's a lot of pale, anemic vegans out there and vegans getting sick from various deficiencies is reasonably common..
A vegan diet is great, and yes, many doctors and such will prescribe a plant based diet after a CVD incident etc. Plenty of other diets could achieve the same effect, could even just supplement with fibre and eat clean in general and have similar results.
>>37218069
I literally enjoy eating meat. Also for that there dominant species title.
>>37219113
ATP is a byproduct but only enough to start another photosynthetic chain, the main product is glucose, hence why plants need to perform respiration
>>37218069
>Why are you still eating meat dairy and eggs
Because they're good.
>>37218069
>meat is unhealthy
And yet sugar is in the "Generally Regarded as Safe" category under the FDA.
The FDA thought cigarettes were the shit for a while, too.
Bottom line is the government is not good at categorizing things as healthy/unhealthy.
because I didn't fall for some dumb meme
>>37218069
i know eating different things is good and healthy.
other than that, i dont really care, its good to be healthy, but it looks like this guy has traded his mental health for psychical health or something.
i bet the extra years he gains by not eating meat he looses from just being an asshole to people creating drama and stress around himself.
just a vicious and nasty personality.
>lift 7 years
>don't be able to break 2pl8 bench
>give out advice and keep talking about your 'gains'
people actually take this clown seriously lmao
>>37218069
I eat meat so I dont turn out like this vegan faggot.
>>37218069
there's only one rich and it ain't burgess
>>37221668
lmao he's been lifting 7 years? holy shit
i tore my chest in february and just got to 205
>>37218566
Halal breh. It bled out slowly.
>>37221358
>vegan
>balanced
Pick one.
>>37218281
enjoy being in the bottom of the food chain as CHAD enjoys a nice piece of bacon PIZZA while pounding his 10/10 qt girlfriend with his own meat with his perfect HEIGHT, FRAME and FACE.
>>37219299
It's not "natural" for humans to drink another animals milk and eat the ovulation of another animal.
But just being unnatural isn't why those foods are bad. They're bad because they cause health problems.
>>37221900
>vegans can't eat pizza
Also implying that eating plants means you're lower on the food chain is retarded. A gorilla could totally kick your ass, dude.
>>37219299
who gives a shit about ethics as long as I get my meat cheap. fuck off genetically inferior male.
>>37221950
"Gorillas have been observed to eat the dead after tribal attacks".
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/03/100305-first-proof-gorillas-eat-monkeys-mammals-feces-dna/
Please.
>>37219224
Not pictured: The fact that smoked meats include carcinogenic material only increases cancer risk if you eat it daily, and by less than 5%.
Also "Probably"
>>37218069
Cause I'm keto, just to offset your faggy veganism.
>>37221668
Post body
>>37218069
>if you eat meat then surely all you're eating is processed meat and red meat
>let me generalize all meat even though studies show that non-red non-processed meat is objectively healthy
Fuck off stupid fucking retard.
>>37218422
>getting his info from youtube
Enjoy your brain cancer.
>>37219380
Good post. Even non-vegans don't eat enough collagen these days due to muscle meat consumption. adding gelatin to my diet was one of the best things I did. It's also a potent anti-cancer because of the glycine it contains and promote a pro-metabolic amino acid profile. Can't wait to see the studies of vegans dying early in the next 25 years since the movement has gained popularity.
You're all faggots, vegan or not, you're all faggots. Shut the fuck up and eat whatever you want, just know the risks for whatever path you take.
>>37222456
and yes that includes me im a faggot too
>>37218069
Reminder: This is what lifting while on a vegan diet will get you
>>37222476
his chest is absolute piss
Consumption of animal protein creates an acid load that increases urinary excretion of calcium and uric acid and reduced citrate. Urinary excretion of excess sulfurous amino acids (e.g., cysteine and methionine), uric acid, and other acidic metabolites from animal protein acidifies the urine, which promotes the formation of kidney stones. Low urinary citrate excretion is also commonly found in those with a high dietary intake of animal protein, whereas vegetarians tend to have higher levels of citrate excretion. Low urinary citrate, too, promotes stone formation.
>>37222476
Why does he make those faces? Is he goofing?
>>37218069
If people don't know by now that eating 100s of grams of meat (saturated fat through the roof) per day is bad then they're just lazy researchers.
Arterial plaque starts developing in your TEENS if you eat meat daily.
>>37222593
He's stressing his body to the limit
>>37222011
>denying your body it's preferred energy source
>>37218701
You don't eat humans because they die of diseases you can catch more readily. The diseases in other animals are less likely to affect humans. Being a cannibal just isn't sustainable in the long run.
>>37218183
> A cabbage feels as much fear and pain as a piglet.
>>37219370
They also contain things that are harmful to health, like saturated fat, cholesterol, and heme iron, and completely lack things that are vital to health, like fiber and phytochemicals.
>>37223893
Saturated fat are protective to health lmao I love how vegans think they're making healthy choices but instead but their feet in the grave early hahahahaha.
t. pubmed you fucking retard
>>37218069
I rather live 20 years shorter as an omnivore.
I also doubt that the "unhealthiness" of eggs and meat will take 20 years of my life.
>>37224011
>being retarded on purpose
>>37224011
>Saturated fat are protective to health lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvY6YQH9kE4
>>37224126
Breddy funny
>>37218627
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fGhXrCZr7w
>>37224126
>>37224044
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/coconut-oil.shtml
Studies at the bottom.
>>37224386
>ray peat
Of all the crazy people you could post, you go for the one that says non-root vegetables are toxic and refined sugar is healthy. I don't see any studies either.
https://youtu.be/z0O_VYcsIk8
>>37218069
I eat eggs and chicken that I get from my own backyard chicken farm, and those chickens are pampered to hell. I buy the organic milk whose farm and cows I have visited myself, seems humane enough over there.
I don't feel bad at all for consuming eggs, milk, and meat, you pussified beta nu-male fucking vegan pieces of baby shit. Pic related, my hopes for you.
>tfw been eating 5-6 eggs per day for years and feel/look better and healthier than I did at 18.
>>37218069
Just started looking into and forming a vegan diet this past week.
idk man. you can try to rationalize it all you want but animals are constantly abused in the meat and dairy industries. If you're cool with the torture and abuse that's fine, but i finally decided i'm not and i want to distance myself from it.
If you genuinely don't care about animal suffering keep eating meat but if you're like me, give it some thought. Never thought i'd be vegan but here i am. Just makes sense if you like animals.
>>37219708
Man you must be fun at parties. Between smelling like old cabbage and bringing your own recycled paper machè cups, it's almost as if people may realize your own alternative lifestyle choice.
But Im sure you tell them just to be sure, you MUST spread vegan awareness
>>37218069
>The egg industry has already been prohibited from advertising their product as healthy and safe.
>living in degenerate western cuck country where eggs are unhealthy
>not having free range chicken farms all around you
not gonna make it brehs
>>37225442
>Going to parties
LEAVE NORMIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>37219440
>implying this guy isn't in massive roids an that veganism isn't just the fad diet shit that he sells supplements for >>37220282
Retard
>>37218069
>gains
This guy looks worse than 60 percent of /fit/
I bigger than him after a mere 6 months of lifting
>>37218069
oh for fucks sake I saw this thread die yesterday
>>37218120
You just had to fucking reply you fuck
>>37225087
>Just makes sense if you're a feel good cuck who cannot buy organic or from a farmer directly
Fix'd that for you bub
>humans are the only beings that matter
>>37218069
kek
As if I would choose my food based on the decisions of a government of a third world shithole like the U.S. :^)
>>37225087
who gives a shit about animals you fuck face. enjoy your no money and no gainz.
>>37225506
get back to r9k retard.
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