People are brainwashed everyday by the standards of elite models, athletes, and hollywood actors all using juice as the standard by which to measure an attractive male physique.
If you think, outside of those of us in the top 1% of genetics, that your physique will actually be impressive without sauce you are sorely mistaken.
The sooner you come to terms with this and understand you MUST CHOOSE if you are going to prioritize your health or vanity the sooner you can get on with making real progress and not beating yourself up for striving for the impossible.
There are pros and cons to both natty and not. If you are currently natty don't judge those who are not. You are not better than them because you are not willing to deal with the associated risks. You have different priorities
So drink juice?
>brewed steroids
>juice forever
yesss
>>37198057
Should I get one of those juicer machines?
>>37198087
>>37198098
You must prioritize if you are willing to consume 4-5 carrots a day, at least 2 beets and 3 apples.
There are pros and cons to this. If you are not willing to deal with the thunderous and constant flatulence as you adjust you will never achieve the body of elite models, athletes, and hollywood actos, all using juice.
>>37198057
>Different priorities
Not wanting to sacrifice health over muscle mass says a lot about the person and their insecurities
>>37198123
>top 1% of genetics
These guys have good genetics sure, but not necessarily top 1%. Decent size and low bodyfat%
>>37198134
>using juice as the standard by which to measure an attractive male physique.
So don't try discourage people from natty lifting faggot
>pretty sure he's natty in this right?
>>37198134
No offence but no one would bat a fucking eyelash at that body until you put on another 30lbs of muscle. You wouldn't know you lifted if you were wearing a tshirt
>>37198123
The large majority of people who are super against steroids are not against them because they are health freaks. They'll eat whatever powder and supplement you put in front of them for a short cut to being swole, as long as it's legal. They're against steroids because they've been brainwashed into thinking it's 'cheating' and inherently bad.
>>37198148
No idea who that is but if you think that's impressive we have difference standards.
>>37198123
Would you say arnold, the rock, almost any pro nfl player, mlb player, are massively insecure or maybe you're making assumptions based on bad information?
Open your eyes son
>>37198156
I kind of agree. Prometheus says he looks good in clothes but has never shown a pic despite being asked a lot so I don't know
>>37198162
If would be pretty safe to say that a substance being a illegal means that there is a high likelihood that it can have a whole array of negative effects. I know you can abuse anything but anabolic steroids have a very high risk
>>37198171
bait
>>37198210
>>37198210
I would say that the steroid abuser that only uses them to look better (/fit/) (while not competing in bodybuilding or professional sport or an actor) is likely insecure about their bodies
>1991 Scoobs
>>37198211
>The legality of a drug has a direct connection to its level of danger
Top kek. Oh you're one of those. I'll just stop posting then, you're too stupid to argue with.
>>37198245
I'm just playing devil's advocate here and am considering roids myself
Nice post though
>pic related
>>37198240
>2001
Scooby should have juiced earlier, could have gotten an arnold tier phsique based on those insertions.
>>37198245
genuine question, as I have little to no experience with illegal drugs: why else do they make drugs illegal? If it's not dangerous, wouldn't they just make it a prescription drug?
>>37198610
most drugs are illegal because they're dangerous and should be kept away from people because of poor judgement. there is no reason anyone should need LSD and there is no reason the government would be a proponent of letting people make bad choices when it will just ultimately do nothing but negatively impact the society as a whole.
you can be prescribed meth by a doctor if deemed necessary. the thing is, people like that faggot you responded to are delusional morons who have no clue how the world works or how a functioning society works. NO ROOLZ 2 KOOL FOR SKOOLZ :3 WHY DOESNT MY DAD LET ME GO OUT PAST 9 PM >:(
>>37198057
He's on steroids and I'm pretty sure I have bigger legs than him. Shameful.
>>37198610
Prescription drugs in the US alone kills 106k people per year and those people followed their docs instructions for use. Prescription drugs OD deaths are around ~30k, which is still alot.
Prescription drugs kill more people than any other illegal drug in the US, it's just another scheme for making big dollars
>>37198645
Are you trolling or completely retarded. LSD is the last drug you should have used in that argument you fucking moron. Its nonaddictive and you literally can't OD on it. At least pretend to have some semblance of knowledge before you make an argument.
>>37198645
>Alcohol and nicotine are less dangerous than all illegal drugs
Top kek. Kill yourself
I'm from Mexico and I can buy cheap quality steroids from any drugstore without a prescription, I have really considered it, but I am not doing it because I don't want to turn into a fucking junkie.
Honestly without steroids the best look woukd be bearmode, or a strongman. Be fucking massive
>>37198649
Do you have bigger shoulders? Traps? Arms?
At that bodyfat?
Didn't think so.
Shameful.
>You Will Never Look Good Unless You Juice
Literally shit that only bodybuilders think
Some of us picked real sports and began to love athletic looking bodies.
>>37198692
That doesn't really work well without gear. Its hard to be that big and not blatantly a fat shit unless you have pharmaceutical help.
>>37198123
sick 60kg bw physique
>>37198610
They ban drugs because:
a) They are hard to regulate
b) People who don't pay taxes sell them
c) someone hates the people that use them
d) people don't want to acknowledge that responsible use would be better
e) most people think that kids are literally retarded and will try anything just because it's legal
f) witch hunts
>>37198123
>>37198134
>>37198148
Not natty.
>>37198057
Is it worth doing steroids even if you'll inevitably look like shit 'off-cycle'?
>>37198789
That's why you blast and cruise baby
>>37198791
fuck yea. cruising is where its at
>>37198791
>>37198797
All year round? That can't be healthy..
>>37198803
it's not.
>>37198803
do you want to be healthy or look good?
>>37198789
You can just lock off your own test production and blast 250 mg year round, it's like 1.5-2 times as much as you'd produce natty and gives you pretty alright gains, long term (like a few years) there could be really bad sides though, but I have no idea really, there are basically no studies done on people with normal test levels who blast low doses for a few years.
But honestly, just go for a low dose for 1 or 2 cycles, tell yourself that the benefits are temporary for your body and psyche and then build some muscle, with the proper diet and medication after those cycles you'll keep your gains or at least all the gains your natural test would allow for (reaching your natty limit)
>>37198610
test is not "banned" in the USA but you need a prescription for it
the reason for that is there are so many powerful drugs out there they are trying to get you to go through a doctor who will not give you 2 drugs that will kill you if taken together
there are shit tons of drugs that are not even recreation that will kill you if combine
>>37198156
Wear form fitting clothes and stop wearing XXL shirts. Why is it so hard for evryone into so small fashion that actuaaly fits their body?
>>37198148
Natty goals here, if you don't think that is a good body you're completely deluded and probably have a DYEL bod
>>37198938
Fuck that
I want to look like a physique competitor
>>37198123
natty would be very questionable with those delts
>>37198952
I hope you're not being serious lmao
>>37198955
Serious as tumor delts brah
>>37198610
>why wouldn't they just make it a prescription drug?
Because it's not medically necessary. So the government has no reason to make it available.
This is hypocrisy of course. I don't see the government shutting down cosmetic surgery clinics.
>>37198670
>Its nonaddictive and you literally can't OD on it.
Plenty of people have died on LSD simply because you go crazy on it. I would know. I've dropped countless times. Unless you have a sober buddy with you who can watch you, and keep you safely in your home, you could very easily run into traffic or leap off of balconies or play with fire or knifes and end up dead. Weed, MDMA, hash, coke, and much else is safer to use than LSD.
If you think about it, the world where roids are available to everyone without stigma or reservation would fucking suck.
Once again it would lean back to people with great genetics being permanently at the top, only women's expectations for men's physique would be even higher, and we'd all be fucking up our bodies even faster just to hit that baseline.
>>37199185
they guy weights like 68kgs at 5'11 from what I remember. If that is not achievable naturally at around 9% bodyfat then there is no reason to lift naturally
>>37199387
Good point
>>37198772
show us a guy around the natty limit then discouraging fag
>>37199411
U mad I juiced and bench 315 for 6 reps at 8% bf in a year of lifting brah?
Ya u mad
>>37198057
After watching the Bostin Loyd Raw Footage video, I will never juice.
>>37198803
Depends on what you cruise on.
500mg test has practically no side effects
>>37198860
Ive been crusing 250mg for about 2 years now.
There are no side effects, i dont even use AI
>>37199411
Interestingly enough, one of the guys he's deriding as drugged up is almost certainly natty, given at the time he was competing in tested powerlifting with out-of-contest spot tests and training under a coach who'd toss people for even associating with suspected roiders.
>>37198057
>ITT those addicted to the injectable jew because of low self esteem try to defend destroying their endocrine system
>>37199499
>Bostin Loyd Raw Footage
Why? He just showed how to inject that shit
>>37199411
I really doubt he's 68kgs if he's 5'11
Hell I'm 72kgs at 5'10 and am fairly smaller than him, and he has considerably lower bf% meaning he should be much heavier
>>37199584
>Falling victim to the natty Jew
They want you to stay small and weak, that's why they try to ban roids everywhere
Fight the powet
>>37199534
>>37199525
My cruising brothers.
You can't lie though there are definitely side effects.
Those extra gains, better sex, being naturally more alpha and charismatic, more energy.
Fucking brutal. I don't know how much longer I can last.
>>37198240
2001 scooby is my goal body desu
>>37199386
Obviously if you're smart you won't do it anywhere you can hurt youself. Jesus, just kill yourself you fag
>>37198379
>Scooby should have juiced earlier
>implying
>>37198148
>>37198772
>Isley isn't natty
Okay,buddy.
>>37198660
Did you think for a minute about that reasoning?
>More people die because of penaut allergies than arsenic poisoning, therefore penauts are more dangerous and arsenic is controlled because some obscure goverment reasons like money or something.
Im not saying that everything legal is automatically safe or everything illegal is not, but jesus christ that logic just hurt to read.
>>37198699
this
Please get out of /fit/ from time to time.
>>37198772
How is the first one not achivable natty? Who are you? Stephen hawking?
>>37198211
>Legality determines harm
Alcohol, tobacco, oxy=legal
Weed=illegal
/Thread
Now I scamper out before the thread devolves into underage cancerfags calling each other degenerates and potheads
>>37198772
You are one of those faggots who sold his soul to the injecting jew and still looks like shit aren't you?
>>37198645
>nobody needs LSD
Au contraire
>>37199887
>Juicing is selling your soul
Facebook and Youtube comments are waiting for you mate
>>37198123
It's like his nipples have autism
>>37198914
not even size S t-shirts will make those baby arms look big
>>37198649
indeed, shameful that you are an unproportionate, disgusting t-rex faggot
>>37198057
Didn't read post other than title.
I think I look pretty good as a natty.
>>37198057
>People are brainwashed everyday by the standards of elite models, athletes, and hollywood actors all using juice as the standard by which to measure an attractive male physique.
U wot m8? Maybe /fit/ does, but normal girls often get very impressed by what we would call an average physique, attainable in a few years of natty lifting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qiIDaY6OLk
How do so many people manage to find steroids? Never once has some seedy character approached me in the gym offering to sell me some.
Frauds, how did you get your connection?
>wanting to look like a bloated retard
Natty limit is great for any sane person
>>37200112
You do. How long training?
steroids are relatively cheap, available on every corner if you're not an autist and extremely effective at what they do
if you think it's possible to be natty and look good you need to fucking kill yourself
>brb using a bicycle and placing well in a F1 race
>>37198610
Well for it to be a prescription drug it has to have some medical benefits. In order for medical benefits to be shown, there needs to be research. And in order for research to be done, the drug must be scheduled correctly by the government (legality). So making. A drug illegal is sort of a death sentence to any future uses. Keep in mind many of the decisions to make drugs illegal were made a while back when science wasn't quite as advanced and people kind of just took the governments word in things. There was no internet, cell phones, and there was barely color tv. It was a different time.
>>37200274
On and off for a long time.
Serious for a year, off for a year, serious for a few months, repeat since like 2006.
Was on a pretty low dose of test for about a year, stopped that about 2 years ago.
Pretty low dose is 250 to me.
>>37198057
>I have self respect issues so everyone should inject their bodies with poison to make me feel better
>I will never accomplish anything
>I will never win without cheating
That is literally you.
>>37200308
>not natty
>claims natty
Kek
>>37200242
There's a funny thing now called the internet (not sure if you're aware of it) that makes it possible for randoms like you and I to purchase absolutely anything
>>37200358
Current muscular stature is being maintained, and has been maintained for years, with no exogenous testosterone, but no natty card according to /fit/ regulations.
I also hardly lift, been weeks currently
>>37200369
>uses test
>claims natty card
>>37200389
Shut your whore mouth, ellen.
>>37200344
>taking roids means you won't achieve anything, counts as cheating even if you're not using it to win at a sport against someone who doesn't use it, and even if it makes you feel better and your life easier and better it's a wrong thing to do
I don't know words that describe people as mad as you
>>37198057
>>37198240
girl here, we don't find this attractive, it's okay boys.
don't hop on gear just to fulfill a dumb media-fueled power fantasy.
>>37198057
All depends on your standards.
There are plenty of "good" natural physiques. But you'll never achieve an amazing or jaw dropping physique naturally.
>>37200112
nice dick sucking lips, you must have looked downright clownish on test as a jacked up elliott rodger
>>37200441
I look way better, subjectively, than elliot Roger.
He was a good looking dude though. Had he not been crazy and socially inept, he could have gone far.
Rich
Above average looks
I can't speak on his intelligence, but if he was decently smart or at least educated, he would have done well.
