Is this achievable natty?
>>37196521
Maybe. He showed his test numbers and they were natty lvls but that was a while ago
yup, just buy his e-book and the supplements that he's selling and you'll look just like him
>>37196521
small fraud who keeps as small as possible so retards don't think he's roiding.
His 'test' to prove he wasnt was also laughable and pretty much incriminated him..
>>37196555
The trips of fraud
>>37196521
Obviously not lol
>>37196521
Those delts are absolutely not possible natty.
>>37196585
>Those delts are absolutely not possible natty.
this
>>37196521
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPlNXbmBwb4
at 5'10 167 and 7 percent bf id say hes natural, take at least a few years with a proper diet, why not?
>>37196521
u know what? i don't even care
I DONT GIVE A SHIT
I do not care if someone is natty or not
If I decide to roid, it will get me to exactly MY physical limit. I will get out as much as I put in.
If I stay natty, I will look like ME.
I just don't give a shit anymore.
Lift until you get bored, bulk until you get thick, cut until you get diced down to the socks and look like a fucking human penis
whether someone else is natty or not actually doesn't even fuckin matter it has no effect on your own performance or results
at the end of the day, no matter what you will never look like him, you will look like you. Whether thats a good thing or not is determined by the amount of effort you put in.
>>37196620
Fuck off greg. Nobody except 12 year olds believe you
>>37196620
Greg please go
>>37196622
He was just asking if it was achievable not it you care. Calm the fuck down
>>37196618
>at 5'10 167 and 7 percent
that's how big frank zane was when he won Mr. O
and his nickname was "the chemist"...
>>37196660
>187-195 pounds when he won Mr Olympia
Nice try
>>37196555
its funny cause he doesnt take supplements and only touts intermittent fasting
>>37196679
his stage weight was more like 170-80
enjoy being a fake natty bro, i roid, im not ashamed but i can tell OPs pic is a roiders body
>>37196698
>I roid
and you still look like shit
>170-180
sauce or get fucked
>>37196521
2 greg threads on /fit/
I wonder who's behind it...
Fucking self-absorbed loser who can't even compete as a proper body builder.
Even on roids he's a fucking failure.
>>37196721
>and you still look like shit
do not
this is a a shoot before he got so big, he looks like OP here, he may have gotten heavier later
if you have ever roided you lose your natty card, you cant do a few cycles and stop then claim natty which i what i suspect OP's guy did
>>37196774
>he looks like OP
>those triceps
>those pecs
>those forearms
He's at least 15 pounds heavier
>>37196774
Boi he's so fucking A E S T H E T I C
>>37196774
This.
Roids make permanent changes to your body. Even after you stop.
>>37196806
goal body
>tfw not possible natty
>>37196805
stay natty bro
>>37196819
>implying i'd fuck up my hormones permanently by roiding
>>37196774
>if you have ever roided you lose your natty card, you cant do a few cycles and stop then claim natty which i what i suspect OP's guy did
this
>>37196805
>He's at least 15 pounds heavier
you are saying you can get within 15lbs of Mr. O natty?
>>37196842
Kek not anymore
>>37196815
You know what? Maybe he's not possible natty but im 100% sure you can build a body worthy of YOU being proud of and desu thats what making it really is all about, greatness doesnt come from overcoming everyone else, it comes from overcoming who you were yesterday
>>37196852
>>37196852
yeah but OP's guy lies to people about it to benefit himself and sell shit
it's dishonest
>>37196884
No doubt about that but i was talking about frank zane, kinobody is a meme
Im just talking about self improvement
>>37196894
i agree it's just that when you are trying to improve yourself it would be nice to know how big a guy can get natty and make some goals about weight
>>37196521
Who is this guy? I need to know so I can look him up and follow his Instagram. Also I'll use this new found info to discover his YouTube channel and watch all his videos. I'll subscribe and urge my friends to do the same. Hopefully he sells something I can buy.
>>37196911
>Who is this guy? I need to know so I can look him up and follow his Instagram. Also I'll use this new found info to discover his YouTube channel and watch all his videos. I'll subscribe and urge my friends to do the same. Hopefully he sells something I can buy.
ugh
fake nattys are all the same
>>37196908
Man in all honesty i have no idea what the natty limit even is
>>37196680
ahh shit, well I dont watch his video's I just made an assumption
>>37196996
because we've been lied to about it forever
hell even arnie while Mr O used to tell guys he was natty and they could do it to if they just bought his books and shit
this picture is from a time before gear so this is the only real 100% achievable natty body...
sorry mate you have to start taking creatine and electrolyte
>>37196521
With a pump, I looked similar to him although a bit smaller. Jumped on the juice since.
That picture is maybe the natural limit, with a good pump/lighting.
That said, he roids.
>>37196521
With a pump, good lighting and that exact body, yes. Kind of pointless asking what's achievable natty though because it's not as if someone can change their insertions or muscle length to look like someone else, roiding or not.
It's sad to see how the plague of non natty fitness guys has infected the entire community to the point of anyone who has a decent amount of muscle can't possibly be natty.
>>37196521
>>37196551
>>37196618
>>37196620
>>37196680
>>37196805
>>37196852
>>37196911
Greg 100% roids and whoever doesnt think so has buried their head in the sand. Or doesnt lift...
>>37196521
I would believe he's natty if it weren't for those ridiculous delts
>>37196774
It always shocks my how large his triceps are in comparison to his biceps in this. Not bitching, it just seems like a really unique quirk that he had at this time. Maybe I'm just too used to seeing current body builders that are so bicep focused.
>pic unrelated, delicious meal from a couple days ago
>>37197655
yeah except zyzz took hard drugs, drank a shit ton, and lived an unhealthy life style. zyzz took a shit ton of supplements, fat burners, etc. i don't really care for this fucking meme, but there would be a clear difference if they were both just roiding. and that body definitely is achievable natty lmao.
>>37198104
Its largely the posing and angle.
>>37198133
>this much delusion
>>37196842
He's 3 inches shorter as well.
>>37198183
Ah yeah, I guess that could have an effect on the picture. But I just found pic related and they seems relatively large in comparison as well in a straight side view of his arm. You sure he didn't just have beastly tris (in comparison to everything else)?
>>37196521
Na.
>Be me
>At Gym
>Big group of friends all swap working out together
>3 friends get big out of no where, way faster than rest of us.
>All of them claim natty
>friend who gained like 2 pounds in 6 months keeps saying their legit and its hard work and good diet
>says he will get there one day natty, spends thousands on shitty supplements and healthy food
>Speak to all 3 of "natty" guys on different occasions at the bar
>Drunk them spills they roided
>says half the big guys at the gym roid, all get it from same guy
>Go in gym with skinny guy again.
>tell him half the people in the gym are on roids
>says no im dumb and they are all legit and that im dumb for thinking they are roiding
>keeps spillling natty bs about hard work
>laugh every day to myself when I literally know for a fact most are roiding and hes dumb as shit.
>fast forward 2 years
>Hes gained maybe 5-6 more pounds
>Roiders still cycling and just rediculous physiques
>He comes to senses and says yea fuck it they all on roids
>Tell him what roiders told me
>Next day skinny guy starts cycle
>gets bulky as fuck in next 3 months
>No natties allowed.
>>37198246
He did have big tris, no doubt about it. But you've found two pics in a row where he's flexing his tricep.
>>37197655
They look the same, kino has bigger shoulders. And zyzz claimed to have only done one cycle.
The shoulders CAN be genetics.
>>37198261
Bruh, he's still flexing his tricep to this day.
>>37196521
This is him natural
>>37198216
i literally don't know who this guy is. i think the only delusion here is with you.
>>37197655
except zyzz was a partier and had 4 inches on this nigga
>>37198350
3 months out of the gym cause of an injury.
how is this dude so rich?
>>37198375
Dad was a real estate mogul who died early and left him his fortune.
>>37198254
>rediculous
Why can the internet not spell "ridiculous"? I ain't mad, just curious.
>>37198390
i mean, this guy also thinks a natty gains 5 pounds in 2 years. i didnt expect much.
>>37196521
>cannon ball delts
Clear roider 2bh
>>37196521
>cannonball delts
>traps popping out
>dat vascularity
How come you don't see an obvious roider? I'm in a gym where half of the people roid and though there are no huge bodybuilding fags, the difference between roider and non roider is always obvious.
>>37198133
>that body definitely is achievable natty
Why haven't you achieved it then?
>>37196521
why dont you guys try and get your natty potential before claiming people are on roids without ever lifting a weight you lazy fucks
>>37198442
No it's not. There are plenty of shit looking people who roid.
>>37198454
because i'm a lazy piece of garbage who doesnt have the mental determination. real talk
>>37198503
Yeah, you can mistake a noobie roider or someone who roids for purely strength for natty, but you can call a guy in ops pic a natty, thats a texbook example of fraud.
>>37198516
Oh, yeah, thats why I don't look like Ronnie Coleman, I'm just lazy, its not the roids, totaly.
>>37198269
>zyzz only did one cycle
are you people really this fucking gullible?
>>37198532
nice circular reasoning and strawman famuel l jackson. you asked me why i dont look like him; i said i was lazy. therefore i said nobody is on roids and its just laziness that matters.
are you retarded?
i mean, i still dont deny this guy is on roids. i just dont care. im saying that zyzz comparison is shit
>>37196774
He hast atleast 10kg of lean body mass on greg n8
He's thicker all around
>>37198383
Top kek
You can see his dad in one of his recent videos
natty?? LOL
no
>>37197655
this is pretty illogical.
just because zyzz did roids doesn't mean he got the most out of it that he possibly could.
that's like saying that if one of your friends couldn't get ripped in 2 years of working out, other people can't.
>>37198133
>>37198269
>>37198359
>>37198367
>>37198810
You guys must also believe in Santa Claus too.
>>37196660
Because he had a degree in chemistry.
>>37198908
>You guys
It's kinobody shilling.
>>37198924
ah. i completely forgot that useless sack of shit visits /fit/
>>37196521
Only if you rape a drunk girl at a party and face no repercussions because of daddy's money ;)
>>37197655
>Greg 100% roids and whoever doesnt think so has buried their head in the sand. Or doesnt lift...
or is just joking to troll people like you. can't believe you fell for it
>>37196622
It would appear that you are experiencing steroid induced rage.
>>37196521
On /fit/ today, people are convinced that Greg is natty/possible to achieve naturally and other people who believe that this guy is on roids.
What does that say
>>37198133
Zyzz said he only got drunk about 3 times a year
>>37196521
If you think it is you're fucking stupid anon
He gives about bad advice on training. If you ever look at his splits from the Greek god for example, they're all shit. There may be one that is decent. The aggressive fat loss is a shitty split too. 3 days, and one day where you go in and do a set of lunges as your main movement. A pussy leg day on a full body set up.
Fasting is good and all, but he's delusional and uses it to make money. "The greatest health discovery I ever made was not eating".
Anyone can train fasted, but you'll need stims or caffeine and it won't be as productive as if you ate breakfast. powerlifters don't set PRs on an empty stomach.
If you want to cut, reduce the volume of an already proven program. 3 day full body and 4 day upper lower splits work and they're all free and better than anything he can sell. You'll become a huge pussy following his training advice.
>>37196551
Random, Olympic level testing doesn't even fucking work and you want smart people to believe that you can "prove" your natural by taking some pre-planned testosterone test by some bitch who doesn't know what she's talking about?
Lmfao @ anons with shit genetics accusing Greg of roids because he looks good and you don't.
Greg has is top tier deltoid genetics and close to 10 years of lifting. That's it.
All those pics you cherripick to claim roids are when he's got his pump going.
But you're stuck in your fatty t rex SS routine with your shit genes making shit gains and looking like shit and you feel bad when you see Greg.
>>37196521
I do the intermittent fasting thing, I just train in the middle of my eating window so no issues. Have gone from a 193lb fatty to a 173 pound normal human. Still gotta drop another 5-10 for abs.
>>37198269
>And zyzz claimed to have only done one cycle
No he fucking didn't.
He openly talked about how he was cruising on clen, tren and test.
>>37198104
when you spread your lats, your lats push your triceps out, and plus the angle.
>>37199384
that there are people with different opinions on this board
It'd be achievable natty, but it's pretty endgame. Like 6+ or 8+ years of consistent effort, good planning, good eating + reasonably good genetics, probably.
>>37196521
>looks literally INCREDIBLE
>natty
How about no, you dyel newfags.
>>37200568
protip between me and you: don't fight the meme.
>>37200568
He has small deltoids when he's off cycle >>37198350
But I bet you're dumb enough to think it's just a "pump", right retard?
>>37201152
>It'd be achievable natty
You can't be dry with that much mass as a natty idiot
>>37201412
maybe not quite that vascular, but after 6-8 years of cutting and bulking + staying on low bodyfat + sodium, you can achieve that kind of bodyshape in terms of muscle size and definition.
>>37201468
> but after 6-8 years of cutting and bulking + staying on low bodyfat + sodium, you can achieve that kind of bodyshape in terms of muscle size and definition.
Show an example
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFg0arUDjfA/
Natty or not?
>>37201854
not. dem delts and dat fullness
hes just casually bigger than natural bodybuilder champions
Shoulders are always a dead giveaway
>tfw obese and think you guys are insecure as fuck
>>37203285
Wolverine?
>>37203285
>TFW Neo is eating PIZZA in Matrix and not gaining a pound while you're WORKING OUT HARD at a GYM in real life
>>37203091
traps too
>>37198350
yooooooooo wtf holy shit that's bad
I've met plenty of people that stop lifting due to injuries or being busy. And they don't deflate that fucking much. Is that just a steroid problem?
there are no dead giveaways you can look up in a textbook
it takes experience. when you've been lifting for at least a few years yourself, hit your natty limit, seen and talked to many people who juice and notice differences between their bodies and natty bodies, you know what you're talking about. otherwise you're only guessing
>>37196521
It's possible.
He has fantastic genetics in terms of muscle insertions (square pecs, round deltoids).
This gives the impression of size without actually being that big. I've never met him in real life but talked to people who have and they said he looks good don't get me wrong, but no where near that big.
His physique is the product of low BF % (attainable naturally), great genetic insertions, and obviously training/nutrition taking him closer to this genetic potential.
My 2 cents at least.
And if you want numerical evidence, his FFMI is good but well within the natural range (probably like 22-23 I'm guessing)
>>37204299
>this level of autism and purely theoretical ''''knowledge''''
>>37204299
Those canon ball shoulders, with that amount of mass, at that low a body percentage, and you would infer natty?
Is your opinion on this man that he is a natty individual, or are you saying, generally, a very small minority have the genetics to look like that natty?
>>37198133
I always love people who still hold delusions on what is possible natty versus not, but they'll shatter given enough time and exposure. He has too much mass, especially at such a fat percentage.
There is nothing wrong with roids, in fact, I'd encourage it done with care, but that man in that picture is not natty, my man
>>37196521
Might be natty, I'd call sterons if his traps we're bigger
It is documented that traps and deltoids have higher androgen receptors relative to other muscles, that's why they look joocy af on cycle.
>>37204404
I'm saying anyone who immediately says he is or isn't is wrong.
The only answer is "it's possible".
So essentially it's option 2. Good genetics make this possible naturally.
The whole cannonball shoulders thing is stupid. It automatically designates anyone with good shoulder genetics in comparison to the rest of their body as roiding. Guys can have good calve/chest/quad/bicep/whatever genetic but the second its shoulders everyone says they HAVE to be juicing.
natty newbs ALWAYS think the "Natty Limit City" they're going to is a paradise and don't believe people who have been there and say it's a shithole. instead they trust the "travel agency" - people who make money with their enhanced bodies
it will never fail to make me shake my head
>>37204584
How quick people are to assert sterons are based on probability. Are there people who might look so natty, based on good genes? possible, but not probable.
I see where you're coming from, wishing to KNOW rather than extrapolate, and then coming to a wrong conclusion. In my view, however, most of the time when you see bodies like this, it's nearly guaranteed to be dat dere celltech
>>37204653
extrapolate and then coming to a wrong conclusion*
>>37204653
nearly guaranteed?
it's in human nature to never be 100% certain of something but in this case it's 100% guaran-fucking-teed and you know it
>>37204681
I agree with you, anon. It's just my preference to never completely disregard someones stance during discourse, no matter how seemingly wrong.
I don't think he's natty, that other anon think it's potentially viable, and I open my mind to the possibility as well. The other anon might have seen or know something I don't, after all
>>37196521
The natty limit does not exist.
>>37204772
Diminishing returns does
>>37196521
Yes, except for the shoulders but they appear that way because he's got a pump there. Go watch any of his newer videos on youtube. His shoulders aren't that big.
>>37196618
o shit waddup
>>37204896
>Go watch any of his newer videos on youtube. His shoulders aren't that big
Can't tell since his recent videos are just some clothed, ugly manlet in sunglasses talking for ten minutes
>>37196757
fucking top kek, thanks mate
You can't "achieve" another person's body. You can build a better version of your own. Stop this pathetic nonsense. You are never going to be this person. Focus on yourself. Focus on your progress. Stop acting like a five year old.
>>37201152
That's the thing, he actually has the 8+ years invested, he *is* at his FFMI endgame. This is why he's platued at 170lbs and held the same BF% for over a year, there isn't really anywhere else to go size/appearence-wise (while being a 5'10 natty).
Some time ago he transitioned to simply maintaining that visual aesthetic while becoming functionally stronger, which is why you can see in any number of his videos that relative to his size he's stronger than most people that lean. His form is a bit fucked half the time, but can't deny the dude is moving weight most of /fit/ can only fap to.
>>37196618
o shit waddup
>>37196618
o shit waddup
>>37204584
There is not a chance in hell he is natty in that picture, anyone saying otherwise is shilling/trolling/retarded.
t. /fraud/
>>37196660
ur a special type of retard
>>37196521
I looked like that before I started lifting. Are you serious right now OP? Jesus christ
>>37197655
Hasnt Greg been working out for like 9 years? This board is full of fucking faggots.
>>37196618
o shit waddup
