Why is Rippetoe so highly lauded? He states that:
a) squatting with an arched back in order to break parallel will strengthen the back muscles
and
b) dropping the barbell on the eccentric phase of a Deadlift is for pussies who want attention.
is he just an old hick who can lift gud? i feel like his methods aren't safe.
>>36974420
I lifted without coaching for 15 yrs.
Won every DL meet I entered 7/7
Saw a papa Rip video, change my form according to his technique.
Snapped my shit with 40% of my max.
Haven't been able to DL in 2 months.
He is an overrated, theoretical mathematician only worshipped by traps
>>36974420
What's wrong with a)? Arched back just means
lumbar and thoracic extension, aka correct form.
>>36974499
What
How could following Rippetoe's recommendations cause you to snap your shit
what could you have possibly been doing beforehand
>>36974499
>Snapped my shit with 40% of my max
You are 100% lying and i want you to die.
>>36975417
Why did you take your trip off Trappy?
>>36974420
>a) squatting with an arched back in order to break parallel will strengthen the back muscles
Doesn't sound like a good idea
>b) dropping the barbell on the eccentric phase of a Deadlift is for pussies who want attention.
100% true
>>36974499
Haha idiot
>>36974420
Doing the eccentric phase of deadlift is 100% necessary, otherwise you are half repping
>>36974499
I'll take stuff that never happened for 500 Alex.
>>36974420
>eccentric contractions are not important
i never understood this
if i arch my lower back to break parallel, will that hurt my spine? Or is it correct form and stregthens my lower spine?
>>36975761
It's fine as long as you don't lose tightness when you ascend.
>>36974499
I'd like to believe this but I can't. You could do rainbow deads at 40% and be fine.
>>36974420
Rip isn't right about everything (no one is), and he has his opinions. But you're taking stuff he said completely out of context. He drops the barbells when deadlifting himself. He was just making a point for beginners to avoid doing retarded stuff and being loud in the gym for no reason.
As for point #1, please explain what you're even talking about.
None of the serious lifters I have come across recommend his techniques for beginners.
It is literally just beginners recommending him to other beginners.
The dude has been in it for more than 20 years.
His book is one of the most praised routines for American football players.
Take a wild guess faggot.
>>36975876
Mike T does. And plenty of others.
Only people who say they 'don't recommend it' are either clueless or simply doing it for publicity.
REMINDER OF WHAT RIPPETOE DID TO THIS POOR BOY
>>36975876
>Jim Wendler is a beginner
>>36974499
is this pasta? Pretty sure I've seen this before
Le squat mornings face
>>36974420
He is not advocating to round your back if that is what you believe. What he says is that your back do not need to be 100% straight up in a squat for it in order to be safe. He explains it in his book, you should read it if his concepts are unclear to you.
And the eccentric part of the deadlift is still part of the lift and you should control it on the way down as apposed to just drop it. You'll get better gains that way. In bicep curls if you curl up and then just drop the weight and let them fall down then that is a very good way of getting tendonitis and other injuries.
>>36975876
>Marty Gallagher
>Bill Starr
>Ed Coan
>Kirk Karwoski
>>36975924
that's nothing. how about this sad fuck
>>36975953
>Bench: 135
>DL: 585
bullshit
>>36975924
>>36975953
And what about this one!? lmaaaao SS victims
>>36975901
I've never seen or heard of any athlete that promotes this guy.
The only people that sing his praises are others in the strength world who NEVER EVER used his techniques but instead cross promote to latch on to his publicity.
They promote him but NEVER EVER use his techniques or gained their strength/size by utilizing his knowledge.
Mark Rippetoe is a more active version of Jason Blaha with more drive to obtain success.
>>36975953
>udder perfection
gets me every time
Also dem hair growth gains
>>36974420
Rip is a smart guy and /fit/ is retarded. The videos on his channel of the literature review of sully are also great. Stop hating the man just because he's popular. Jonnie Candito hated on him too and more and more he adjusts his technique to what rippletits always said.
>>36975948
>Captain "45 flying at you" Karwoski
No thanks
>>36975969
no shit you genius
>>36975972
that's not after he finished SS, you fucking retard.
>>36975953
max hair gains
>>36975974
>I don't know shit from the real world besides what I read on 4chan, but here's my uneducated opinion on what the people out there think
>>36975972
I know plenty of bro split lifters who are much weaker but far more aesthetic than him
>>36974420
On fleek is an understatement my friend.
>>36975953
If you gomad and you're already fat, you haven't read the book and are pretty damn retarded. GOMAD is the last resort for hungry skellies.
>>36975997
>more aesthetic than justin
Please. Post pics of them.
>inb4 pics of roiders
>>36976000
That's two pictures of Roger Estep and one of Doug Young.
>>36975972
that's years after he finished SS. You're not even trying
>>36975997
Then why did Rip call the book "Starting Aesthetics"?
>>36976007
>justin is natty
fucking newfags. I hate summertime on /fit/
>>36976010
>>36976021
>justin isn't natty
Nice meme
>>36976023
Hello.
>>36975996
It's all about marketing.
"Every new lifter needs to buy SS"
Then onto the next
>>36975929
"After SS you can buy 5/3/1"
All about $$$$. Wendler even said so in a seminar.
>>36976007
once again, that pic is years and years after he finished SS.
this is the kind of physique you'll get from doing only SS
>>36976046
How new are you to lifting?
>>36976053
What's the joke here, facts are for fags?
>>36976065
Started in 1993.
>>36976071
>you will never be this new ever again
>>36976063
No one is falling for the bait, but I'm sure if you keep posting it someone eventually will.
>>36976078
I bet you even bring your own weight stack selector pin to Y.
>>36975974
His techniques are literally:
1. Do compound barbell lifts with correct form.
2. Add weight progressively.
3. Eat right.
4. You'll get stronger.
LOL YEP AIN'T NOBODY EVER USED THIS SHIT TO GET STRONG.
>>36976128
The crazy thing is those ARE controversial statements.
>>36975948
>Jocko Willink
Highly praises SS and Rip on his podcast. Not exactly a "top lifer" but not a beginner.
>>36975948
Name one nationally competitive athlete he has coached in any sport.
>>36974420
>squatting with an arched back in order to break parallel will strengthen the back muscles
correct, and I see no problem with this if you have the requisite strength and mobility to do so. If you start flexing the lumbar then don't do it, but if you can maintain the position throughout the whole lift its fine
>Dropping the barbell on the eccentric phase of a deadlift is for pussies who want attention
he's a powerlifting coach, most powerlifting coaches agree with this
>>36975972
I never truly appreciated how much Justin's dog FUCKING LOVES SUNLIGHT
>>36976224
>he's a powerlifting coach, most powerlifting coaches agree with this
"No"
>>36976222
He doesn't coach athletes though.
But Justin Lascek has competed before AFAIK.
>>36976222
Zach.
>>36976128
> Do compound barbell lifts with correct form
He tries to use that there science to reconfigure every god damn lift & modify it per his advanced physics degree.
Overthinks & tweaks it.
How many elite athletes are a direct result of his training?
"This industry is about cross promotion. If I'm on good terms with Mark, that'll help sell my book because he'll say good things about me. You don't make enemies in this industry. The #1 thing I have learn is networking. Thats how you sell yourself and your product. "
-Jim Wendler
>>36976007
>this is all SSfags have to offer
>literally one decent looking guy who has been lifting for years
>most of that time NOT doing SS
>>36976222
>moving the goal posts
>>36976305
>literally one decent looking guy who has been lifting for years
>most of that time NOT doing SS
No shit son, you're not supposed to do SS for years. It's STARTING strength.
>>36976325
>Not buying Starting Strength 6th edition and doing the Advanced 2nd stage modified microloading phase for 14 months
YNDTP
>>36974420
GOMAD? Squat every workout? powercleans for beginners? 5x5 for beginners?
He is massive faggot master troll that wants boys to get fat, have nice glutes and thighs, and snap their shit up.
>>36976352
>not subscribing to the Wichita Falls weekly
YNDTP
this entire thread is retarded.
>5x5 is dumb!
no its not, 5x5 rep schemes are the most tried-and-tested rep schemes in all of programming history.
As a weightlifting coach, I've yet to see 5 programs that don't use sets of 5. Are they the be-all and end-al of training? hell no, but for the beginner they're easy to remember and they strike a good balance between hypertrophy and strength.
>just doing 3 lifts is dumb!
maybe, but to reiterate SS is a template at its core. I have new athletes use a wide variety of exercises but you know what is always in there? a squat, a press and a pull.
>BUT THIS GUY DID SS AND GOT FAT
not everyone does - I didn't. you get fat if you eat too much - GOMAD is excessive, but you'll progress for ages
>THIS GUY DID SS AND HE DIDNT GET JACKED
SS is a foundational program designed for athletes that need to improve their strength and power output. SS will do this. SS is NOT a program for aesthetics - don't be a retard. If you want to look jacked for the beach then go to bodybuilding.com and use any of their bullshit pump workouts.
>>36976252
Sheiko does
>>36976424
lol didn't read
>>36976424
>>36976439
Owned.
>>36975953
You can't grow 12+ inches of hair in four months. Hair grows at an average rate of 1/2 inches every 4 weeks.
>>36976424
>As a weightlifting coach
And Jason Blaha is a fitness expert. Just because you say it, it doesn't make it true
>>36976624
You know those pics are trolling, right?
>>36974420
>dropping the barbell on the eccentric phase of a Deadlift is for pussies who want attention.
but thats true. the only time you should be doing that is if its your 1RM
>>36975633
true
>>36976651
The point is: they're bad trolling.
>tfw did SS
>first time ive made progress outside of the bench press
>actually can run for the first time with my fatty body
>tear out my knee trying to be a big badass
i am literally a walking meme
>>36976995
you're not walking with that knee
>>36974499
>theoretical mathematician
Kek. Obvious but effective
>>36976015
>dat hourglass figure
>>36974420
> arched back
when has he ever told anyone to do this?
>>36975583
There is another reason people drop it, there grip strength sucks so much they can't hold it on the way down as well.
>>36978068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXfOdvd-sJ0
arched back does not mean what you think it means btw
>>36978114
Bec deadlift is a grip exercise
>>36975583
I agree, anon.
Eccentric training is often used by S&C coaches because it's been shown to increase strength gains by up to 30% more than concentric reps or some bullsheet. There's no need to drop the bar ya stupid dumb dumbs, all it does is damage the floor, annoy people around you and minimise your gains
>>36974499
Strong b8
>>36978213
>No citation
Typical
>Studies show you're a fucking retard.
>>36978213
S&C coaches actually prefer it the other way around, at least for strength gains. The eccentric contributes a ton to soreness and recovery requirements but jack shit to strength (and doing an eccentric-focused cycle is a good way to tank your max in the short term).
>>36975953
The fuck happened to the lighting in that room? Look at the difference of skin tone and colors on the wall
>all the anti-SSfags thinking they know better than Big Rip
Top lmao
Post your physiques and lifts
I'll bet anything you can't hold a candle to Rip when he was in his prime
>pic related
>>36978219
Not the citation I'm after, but the 30% figure I was told yesterday by one of Australia's top S&C coaches (my teacher at uni). Something about the longer time under tension causing more actin and myosin heads to bind, producing greater force, and creates more muscle damage or some bullsheet.
I believe I read something similar in the ACSM position stand for resistance training (it recommends eccentric reps of 2 seconds or so for hypertrophy). First relevant reference that I could find from the position stand was this which shows greater hypertrophy in people doing eccentric reps http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1835816
>>36978369
You'll notice everything you've cited thus far (and pretty much everything you're likely to find) is about hypertrophy rather than strength. There's a reason for that.
>>36976015
what the fuck is that body type
and ss gave him gyno gg
Everyone who complains about SS making them 'unaesthetic' should just do Greyskull LP
The only reason SS would make someone look worse is because their lower body becomes disproportionate to their upper body, and the Greyskull LP addresses this problem and adds in more reps for hypertrophy.
Or they just have shit genetics and fall for the GOMAD meme.
>>36978395
It's probably one of the worst untrained bodies I've ever seen in the first pic, what would you expect from someone with such shit genetics?
>>36978343
>>36978343
Pic is not Rip.
Is this some kind of troll, because I always see people posting it.
>>36978388
Would you like me to link some of the million billion studies showing strength and hypertrophy have an almost linear relationship?
I'm too lazy to read through this again, but have a look at this, it's quite interesting. It mostly goes with common wisdom but there's a few points in there that I was surprised to read http://journals.lww.com/acsm-msse/Fulltext/2009/03000/Progression_Models_in_Resistance_Training_for.26.aspx
I almost think that should be in the sticky. Tells you just about everything you need to know about designing a program according to recent literature.
>>36978466
You're welcome to go ahead and do an eccentric-focused training cycle.
What you'll more than likely find is the same thing that's happened to everyone else with decent numbers who's tried to use eccentric training for strength purposes - they got bigger, but they did not get stronger off that training cycle.
>>36978343
That's Rich Piana....
>>36978535
That's Benny Podda
>>36978439
>Pic is not Rip
>>36974420
https://youtu.be/I1l8vra4CFM
>>36978439
Cant tell if newfaggot or pretending to be retarded
Arched back. Which is gorilla which is cat? Which do I do while squatting?
>>36979093
>>36976063
Yeah, but those legs though.
>>36979114
That didn't answer anything.
>>36979093
>>36979114
>>36979148
I'm getting to it motherfucker calm down!
Back should be neutral. Very slight extension is OK if it prevents flexion. Flexion is the express train to Snap City.
>>36979093
Neutral. Gorilla I'd better than cat. Read SS
>>36979114
My lower back will sometimes hurt when I do The Press or Deadlift or Pendlay Rows. This seems to help.
