Anyone here just snack on salt?
I like to snack on grains of pretzel salt all day long.
Is this a problem or should you be doing this, too?
Think about it....
Nah, make sure you get at least 5000 mg of sodium a day and as little potassium as possible. Also drink a lot of water.
>>36884505
This.
>>36884465
I once bought a box of icecream salt, to have bigger chunks to eat. But after I got the box home, I saw it said not for consumption. I guess it wasn't guarranteed to be clean or something.
I normally keep a salt grinder around, pink himalayan salt comes in bigger chunks generally. I get black lava salt sometimes. Smaller grains, but it tastes great. Expensive though
>>36884505
Upping your water and salt and eating next to no potassium is asking for a heart attack
I used to do this when I was a kid. Holy fuck I was so autistic.
Both my parents have hypertension. I'm at least trying to avoid that fate by being mindful of my sodium intake (and being physically active).
>>36886947
How is it autistic to eat salt?
>tfw check myfitnesspal for past few days
>tfw only get max of 2500mg most days
What are the effects of not getting enough sodium? I eat some vegetables but almost never put much, if any, salt on my chicken + rice etc.
when I was a little kid I ate the rock salt that they would put on the ground when it snows.
We had these classes that were in these trailer type things separate from the main building, so if you had to go to the bathroom you had to walk about 50 yards to get to the building, and I used to ask to go to the bathroom on purpose so I could go outside and eat the rock salt.
When I was a kid, in science class, sometimes I would snack on citric acid if the teacher left the bag lying around. I noticed you just get two pounds on Amazon for like ten bucks. Is there any reason I shouldn't buy it and keep it on my desk and eat delicious sour acid forever?
>>36887100
2500mg is kind of high for sodium. Where's that coming from if you don't really salt your food?
>>36886933
So sick of these big potassium shills infesting /fit/ and pushing their anti-sodium lies.
Electrolyte goblin shoo.
>>36886970
Sodium is only remotely related to hypertension. Carbohydrates correlate much more with elevated blood pressure than sodium.
>>36888153
a physically active person needs about 6g a day during the summer.
>>36888128
It'd probably melt your teeth
>>36884465
enjoy your high blood pressure.
>>36888179
that's bullshit and you know it.
>>36888185
>>36886970
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/its-time-to-end-the-war-on-salt/
>>36888200
WEW that author is based as fuck.
>http://www.bloodpressureuk.org/microsites/salt/Home/Whysaltisbad/Saltseffects
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16467498
>>36887026
Eating salt on its own
>>36888200
More tell-people-what-they-want-to-hear-instead-of-what's-true journalism.
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-evidence-that-salt-raises-blood-pressure/
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/sodium-skeptics-try-to-shake-up-the-salt-debate/
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/sprinkling-doubt-taking-sodium-skeptics-with-a-pinch-of-salt/
Had this breakfast dog today. Hot dog, eggs, and gravy. Was pretty good.
>>36888171
what data do you have to demonstrate this?
there are cultures like the Kitavans who get ~70% of their calories from carbohydrate and have remarkably low lifelong blood pressure from their low salt diets
and chimpanzees (our phylogenetically closest living relatives, almost genetically identical to humans) also get huge amounts of carbs, their BP only goes up when given salt
I just bought coarse ground sea salt for that exact reason. Sprinkle a little garlic powder on it....delicious snack.
One time I left a plate of salt on my coffee table and my dog tried to grab a bite off the plate and got a tongue full of salt instead, she did not like it.
>>36888317
>complains about bad sources
>posts nutritionfacts.org
>>36888322
>Was pretty good.
not to your arteries
>>36888415
1.The kitavans eat a lot of fiber, which is why their foods have a very low GI.
2. their total consumption of carbohydrates is low compared to other countries.
Feed them a couple spoons of sugar to break that 300g per day line, and their blood pressure would start trending upwards. Hit the 400g American eat, and then you will see American style hypertension.
>>36884472
Just change your maximum image size... come on, man this is not that hard.
>>36888661
What's wrong with nutritionfacts?
>>36888634
Lol
>>36888903
Its run by a crazy vegan doctor who cherrypicks information to match his meatfree world view. Even other vegans think he is crazy.
>>36888766
>1.The kitavans eat a lot of fiber, which is why their foods have a very low GI.
watermelon has high GI, yet lowers BP.
>2. their total consumption of carbohydrates is low compared to other countries.
that's more reflective of lower total calories? being fat contributes to hypertension no doubt, but this is besides your original point.
>Feed them a couple spoons of sugar to break that 300g per day line, and their blood pressure would start trending upwards. Hit the 400g American eat, and then you will see American style hypertension.
again, where's the data to suggest this?
>>36888903
>>36888946
He once claimed that death was a food-borne illness, and that a raw vegan diet would cure death.
>>36888946
While that's kind of a dumb thing to say about the website considering it's recommended as a nutrition resource by the largest healthcare organization in the US, what would that even have to do with salt? Salt isn't an animal product
>>36888956
Where and when did he say that?
>>36888965
>recommended as a nutrition resource by the largest healthcare organization in the US
I'm going to need a citation on that claim
>>36888989
https://share.kaiserpermanente.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/The-Plant-Based-Diet-booklet.pdf
Page 15
>>36888974
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Greger#cite_note-hall-3
>>36884465
I know what you mean. I'll do that with kosher salt. I used to think kosher salt was a fad, but it really is better. It's crunchy.
>>36889004
>These resources are for informational purposes only. They do not necessarily represent an endorsement of their content, recommendations, or guidelines by Kaiser Permanente.
> informational purposes only. They do not necessarily represent an endorsement of their content, by Kaiser Permanente.
> not represent an endorsement
on page 15 right above the website
>>36889012
That links to a blog post by Harriett Hall. As far as I can tell the guy himself said no such thing, she's just strawmanning him.
>>36889034
Why else would it be listed for "informational purposes"? They obviously agree with the website since that pamphlet and this notice to their physician group advocate the same diet he does
http://www.thepermanentejournal.org/issues/2013/spring/5117-nutrition.html
>>36888946
>this
Meat isn't great for health, but holy shit the guy is a crook nutjob.
>>36889036
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/uprooting-the-leading-causes-of-death/
here is the video in question. don't care to watch an hour of this hack.
>>36889085
In that video he goes down the list of the top killer diseases in the US and shows how diet can be used to prevent them. Nowhere does he say that death itself is a disease that's preventable by just not eating meat, nor does he recommend a raw vegan diet (in fact I've seen videos where he tells people not to eat raw vegan because it will lead to micronutrient deficiencies in the long run). Why shit so hard on the guy when you know so little about him?
>>36889056
>http://www.thepermanentejournal.org/issues/2013/spring/5117-nutrition.html
This says that a plant based diet doesn't require eliminating animal products, and that doctors should stay away from terms like vegetarian or vegan, because they are misleading and do not represent a healthy diet.
>>36889148
does his website ever disagree with that?
>>36889148
That's exactly what the nutritionfacts guy says.
They both recommend minimizing animal-sourced food and maximizing plant-sourced foods. The pamphlet even says "this eating plan does not include animal products, such as meat, poultry, fish, dairy, or eggs" so what's technically vegan is still recommended, even if they'd prefer not to call it vegan for descriptive reasons.
>>36889201
yes, constantly
>>36889224
What the guy posted was an excerpt from his book. Here's the next section I found through Google Books (pic)
And from one of his videos
>I prefer the term "whole food plant-based" diet since it’s defined by what you eat, not by what you don’t eat. When I taught at Cornell, I had “vegan” students who apparently were trying to live off French fries and beer; vegan does not necessarily mean health-promoting.
>one can get a significant survival benefit without a radical shift to the exclusive consumption of plant foods–a more gradual and gentle approach more easily translatable into public policy
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/do-flexitarians-live-longer/
>>36889261
In the next section he brings up Kaiser Permanente too. How unreasonable and dogmatic does he seem to you?
>>36889356
>okinawan diet
>96% plant based
I don't trust liars
>>36889356
>Source for okinawan diet
>1948
Something like a major war wouldn't effect their diet, naw,
I do not like that he credits their diet, not the fact that the average 100 year old okinawan is 4'6".
And people wonder why gregor is a cherrypicking shill.
>>36889394
Pretty much just sweet potatoes and green/yellow vegetables.
>>36889431
1950 you fucking mong.
Do you know what happened in okinawa in 1945?
>>36889431
Notice that 'circa 1950' bit. The traditional Okinawan diet is somewhat different to the Okinawan diet during a time where half the bloody country is clinically malnourished.
>>36884465
>tfw just learned about how different sodium and potassium levels affect the body in pathophysiology
>tfw didn't pay attention at all
>tfw I can't recite any of it and spread the truth
>>36884465
I have a salt shaker next to my desk. Every now and then I shake some onto my hand and lick it off. If I'm feeling really salty I'll have water on stand by, because salt naturally makes you thirsty. I've never experienced anything negative from snacking on salt.
>>36889423
>>36889461
>>36889465
Pick a time period. Sweet potato has dominated their diet for atleast a century, and before that rice.
>>36889488
So your defense of 1950 being retarded, is to use 1918.
Think you need some DHA in your diet bro, your brain is slipping.
>>36889518
It goes back as far as 1879. That's what their traditional diet is.
>>36889488
>>36889549
You do know japan occupied okinawa in 1879?
No you probably don't.
>>36889559
According to the paper you got that from, that would be called the "modern okinawa diet"
>>36889559
>Much of the longevity advantage in Okinawa is thought to be related a healthy lifestyle; this includes the traditional diet [29], which is low in calories yet nutritionally dense, particularly with regard to vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients in the form of antioxidants and flavonoids [1]. However, dietary change since World War II has been largely deleterious, with younger Okinawans developing a higher risk of obesity and other chronic disease risk factors [30,31] versus older Japanese. As a consequence, there has been a resurgence of interest from public health professionals in the health enhancing effects of the traditional Okinawan diet and a movement to re-educate younger persons in eating the traditional ‘‘Okinawa way.’’
Ouch
>>36889610
You mean the diet that centenarians have been eating for the last 70 years.
And I am calling BS on the sweet potato being "traditional". Sources that cite this are during the Japanese occupation, where they were treated as second class citizens. This is reinforced by their diet completely changing after ww2.
>>36889648
>been eating fatty pork for 60 years
>literally over half their lives
>oh but they live to 100 because they used to eat only plants
bullshit. The modern diet, is the Okinawan diet.
>>36889648
Yet their average lifespan has done nothing but increase....
Fucking crazy
>>36889654
>>36889678
Your paper seems to be saying it's mostly the newer generation Okinawans whose diets have shifted, and as a result have more obesity and disease.
>>36884465
water bloat city incoming
>>36889654
Depends how far back you consider traditional. There's definitely good evidence that it showed up in Okinawan diets pre-occupation (probably around the tail end of the 1500s/early 1600s - it shows up in Japan from China in the early 1600s and good odds are it came in via Okinawa because of that whole complicated trade vassalage thing) but I don't know of any data on how much of the diet it made up.
>>36889694
The point which was being argued against, not that you care because you are just going to meander your way out of accepting it.
Okinawans as a population live the longest currently, followed by japan and sweden (love to see you explain that one). Their diet is no way any thing like what gregor or yourself represent it as being. yet still through 70 year old data around like it is proving your point.
>>36889714
from Kikkoman's website:
It is said that Okinawan cooking "begins with pig and ends with pig."
itt: white faggots
>>36889718
First I'll post the paper you pulled the sweet potato decline data from
http://www.okicent.org/docs/500s_willcox_okinawa_diet.pdf
It basically says the traditional okinawa diet, which they say is the high sweet potato diet, is likely the reason for older generations living so long, while the change in the diets of newer generations is seen as a bad thing. Repasting
>Much of the longevity advantage in Okinawa is thought to be related a healthy lifestyle; this includes the traditional diet [29], which is low in calories yet nutritionally dense, particularly with regard to vitamins, minerals, and phytonutrients in the form of antioxidants and flavonoids [1]. However, dietary change since World War II has been largely deleterious, with younger Okinawans developing a higher risk of obesity and other chronic disease risk factors [30,31] versus older Japanese. As a consequence, there has been a resurgence of interest from public health professionals in the health enhancing effects of the traditional Okinawan diet and a movement to re-educate younger persons in eating the traditional ‘‘Okinawa way.’’
They also mention ryukyu island, which is shown here as the most diet that's nearly entire sweet potato >>36889488
>that there is a Northeast-to-Southwest gradient in longevity, whereby the longest lived of the Japanese are those that inhabit the southernmost islands, known as the Ryukyu Islands (or Okinawa prefecture). Also known as the 47th prefecture of Japan, the citizens of Okinawa have the longest life expectancy within Japan (and likely the world)
Atleast acknowledge that the source you pulled up refuted your point.
They still have their title of longest living for now, but the people born after the diet change are only 50-60, they aren't the centenarians Okinawa is known for.
>>36889818
I prefer European American Homosexual
>>36889837
*50-60 at most
>>36889837
The diet change began before they were born. If the old people didn't want to eat pig, then why did they eat pig?
>>36884472
Winfag detected
>>36889682
So has every country in that graph. It's called medicine.
>>36889837
You want me to believe that the centenarians didn't partake in the post ww2 dietary changes, which you believe were bad though okinawa's life expectancy is still the highest and still increasing to this day. And that the centenarians have been immune to the dietary changes of the majority of the population for at a bare minimum of 50 years.
Additionally you want me to believe these centenarians that repopulated the island from 683,000 in 1960 to 1,385,000 in 2016 did not share their diets with their children, to the point that their diets is more or less zero% of the currently consumed carb on the island.
Are you fucking serious right now?
>>36889934
That is the point you mongoloid.
>>36889938
>>36889718
Seems that the further they stray from their traditional diet, the less of a longevity advantage they have
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18924533
>Japan has the longest life expectancy at birth (LEB) in the world. Okinawa, Japan's poorest prefecture, previously had the highest longevity indices in the country. However, the latest LEB for men in Okinawa is no higher than the national average.
>>36887026
Very
>>36884465
My mom bought me this "special" tiny little bag of black truffle oil salt. I've literally just occasionally snacked on the tiniest fuckton particle of that salt for years now. Love truffle scent.
>>36884465
You have pica. Get help.
>>36890293
>pica
Salt doesn't count.
>>36887415
You know that probably wasn't salt right, they were probably using some synthetic chemical that does a better job of lower the freezing point than NaCl.
Its why you're low test anon, sorry
>>36889467
Just 4700mg potassium
1300mg sodium
No na k diseases
>>36884465
My only snack while cutting is a sip of 0 cal cola to kill my ache for sweets.
>>36884465
I used to snack on these badboys once a week or something. Just letting it sit in my mouth and slowly melt down
(it's bouillon/broth)
>>36888780
>being this new
