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That is the question
the question here is whether you're shitposting or retarded
his competition stats showed him at a FFMI of 25.1 - so he would have to have top top top tier genetics for muscle building. He is on TRT, though, which could explain it.
>>36766380
so no?
>>36766812
He's almost 60 mate
>>36766825
then why lie?
>>36766842
Money and social media views most likely
>>36766865
True. He does give out his stuff for free tho.
Those pecs definitely look like the pecs of someone who used gear. Having said that, Scooby is the Mr Rogers of the bodybuilding world so I'm not gonna push it.
>>36766278
Top or bottom, is the real question.
Seriously, Could you imagine Scooby getting pounded in the anus?
>>36766842
Why tell?
He's probably avoiding unnecessary drama.
He didn't even make it well known that he was gay and married to a man, until a while back. Though his wording about it in his personal life made it clear.
>>36766955
I think he's a versatile top.
>>36766278
That... natty at 60 ...
Lol
>>36766904
He doesn't want his audience (teenagers) to start taking steroids.
>>36766978
hes gay?
huh, the thing is he openly lies about steroids though.
>>36766842
He doesn't say he isn't on TRT. He just doesn't say. He's for the kids man, what do you expect. He just wants the best for us.
Why are all great lifters gay? Zyzz was gay, Scooby is a flaming homo and im pretty sure Rippletits has sucked some cocks. Arnie did that gay porn in the 70s and Jeff just came out of the closet
>>36767030
Source?
He's on trt for sure, that's a given at that age.
Maybe a bit of growth too, his skin looks too smooth.
>>36767047
Lol sources on any of this?
>>36767040
>>36767055
http://scoobysworkshop.com/2015/04/21/does-scooby-use-steroids/
>>36766842
Because retards like you would devalue all of his hard work because of it.
I'm willing to bet that he has been natty his whole life, but started trt a few years ago (as most men his age should).
cut the guy a break. So what if he's on a little bit of test? He's like 55 for christ sake.
>>36767143
I'm not devaluing him for using gear, I devalue people who lie about not using it.
>>36767180
He wants to get kids to live healthy lives.
If he was open about his TRT use, kids would misunderstand and may look into cycling.
He wouldn't want that, he wants them to be healthy, he wants them to succeed.
>>36767180
The thing is that he doesn't even completely deny it. He just dodges the question. If you had the ability to read between the lines, you'd know he's indirectly admitting it in the article here >>36767129
So is he blasting a bunch of shit? Most likely not. But is he on enough medical testosterone to give him the hormone levels of a teenager? Probably.
>>36767203
>He's only on TRT
According to this site:
http://www.naturalphysiques.com/28/fat-free-mass-index-ffmi
25 is the upper limit for natural. According to Scooby's bb.com profile, he's 6'3, 238lbs at 8%
that's a 27.5 FFMI (adjusted 28.1).
TRT is not enough to explain that. If he's natural he's an extreme outlier according to that site.
>"A study of elite athlete (some admitted steroid users and some not) combined with an analysis of 20 Mr. America contest winners from the 1939-1959 pre-steroid era, determined that a fat free mass index of 25 is pretty much an upper limit for someone who does not use steroids. "
>>36767180
The point is he didn't attain his physique from steroids. He's using trt to maintain it since he's getting old. To me, that's natty. He probably has the test level of a 20 year old. Half the people posting here are 17. So what's the difference?
>>36767217
"My muscle growth was the result of decades of hard work and clean eating, not steroids"
sounds unambiguous to me.
>>36767321
Can't you read between the lines? That means he is on gear.
>>36767321
See
>>36767302
What he said is true. The fact (maybe) that's he's on trt recently in order to maintain as he ages doesn't take away from that statement. Also, there's a link to an explanation of trt on the page. That's the "hint" he's giving.
>>36767321
that's his muscle growth
he's probably using stuff to keep it like it is now
scooby's a great guy nonetheless
>>36767393
He flatly states in his explanation as well that TRT is not the same as steroids as it is used to bring testosterone levels to normal rather than boost. He makes the article in order to state that TRT isn't a gear cycle then flatly states he isn't on steroids.
>>36767413
No arguing that, he does good with a lot of stuff.
>ITT: buttfrustrated DYEL crusaders projecting their inability to make any gains naturally to goobs
>>36767393
His FFMI is two points (20lbs, 18lbs lean muscle) above the accepted upper limit for naturals based on 20 pre-steroid era Mr. Americas. So what is Scooby doing now to make him 20lbs heavier than those 20 Mr Americas? Have fitness knowledge and training methods come far enough to make the difference of 18lbs lean muscle? (Not to mention we're comparing him to the top of their time).
>>36767437
>He flatly states in his explanation as well that TRT is not the same as steroids
He may state that, but he is wrong. Testosterone is a steroid. That'd be like saying low doses of morphine given in a therapeutic setting don't count as a drug. A drug is a drug, regardless of dosage.
>>36767484
So yes, you just confirmed that he is openly lieing about not using steroids.
Is there any merit to scooby's diet advice? It seems he still thinks fat is bad for you.
>>36767477
The one thing that has changed drastically in the last century is access to food - both high and poor quality.
Just look at how chickens have been selectively bred over the last 30 years to see the difference. Modern and past bodybuilders both ate 2 chicken breasts at a meal, but modern chicken breasts are nearly double the size they used to be.
>>36767047
Should I turn gay for the gains?
>>36767531
This is the study:
http://journals.lww.com/cjsportsmed/Abstract/1995/10000/Fat_Free_Mass_Index_in_Users_and_Nonusers_of.3.aspx
>We calculated fat-free mass index (FFMI) in a sample of 157 male athletes, comprising 83 users of anabolic-androgenic steroids and 74 nonusers. FFMI is defined by the formula (fat-free body mass in kg) x (height in meters)-2. We then added a slight correction of 6. 3 x (1.80 m - height) to normalize these values to the height of a 1.8-m man. The normalized FFMI values of athletes who had not used steroids extended up to a well-defined limit of 25.0. Similarly, a sample of 20 Mr. America winners from the presteroid era (1939-1959), for whom we estimated the normalized FFMI, had a mean FFMI of 25.4. By contrast, the FFMI of many of the steroid users in our sample easily exceeded 25.0, and that of some even exceeded 30. Thus, although these findings must be regarded as preliminary, it appears that FFMI may represent a useful initial measure to screen for possible steroid abuse, especially in athletic, medical, or forensic situations in which individuals may attempt to deny such behavior.
A "well-defined limit" of 25 in non-steroid using athletes. Athletes are not always trying to add as much mass as possible, so I'm not sure why they don't seem to address that. Although when you look at "many of the steroid users exceeded 25 and that of some even exceeded 30" Scooby is halfway to a place only some of the steroid users got to.
So even if you think Scooby is natural, no-one should be treating it like it's an obvious answer.
>>36766955
Hopefully scooby is one of those gays that dont participate in anal sex
children who think Santa Claus is real aren't as stupid as you if you believe he might be natural
>>36767217
what is ambiguous about this?
"My muscle growth was the result of decades of hard work and clean eating, not steroids, but again, believe whatever makes you want."
are people retarded?
>>36766380
>>36767299
>>36767477
>>36767623
Has anyone bothered to CALCULATE his FFMI? Clearly not! From this page: http://scoobysworkshop.com/gallery/ there are photos from his contest listing weight and bodyfat and its well documented in his contest prep posts. 215 pounds at 6% which means FFMI = 23.7
http://scoobysworkshop.com/2015/04/15/contest-prep-week-8/
>>36767818
I assumed nattyornot's calculations were right (based on his bodybuilding.com profile, which I'm trying to find now). I should have done more research into it.
>>36767203
But lieing to them only reinforces the conclusion that you "need" steroids for a good physique.
>>36767217
"Its amazing how badly so many people want to believe that I got where I am because of steroids." Is saying "lol I'm not on gear."
Not hating on the scoobster tho.
>>36767874
bodybuilding.com blocked scooby long ago and deleted his entire account because he kept posting anti-supplment stuff. if he has a profile there, its one that bb.com put up, not him. google his dealings with bb.com
>>36767623
>Athletes are not always trying to add as much mass as possible, so I'm not sure why they don't seem to address that.
That's the crux of that study. I'm sure if they focused entirely on natural body-builders and strong-men they'd find much more variance. The other mistake they made was not taking ankle/wrist circumference into account when calculating maximal FFM.
As ankles/wrists are almost entirely tendon and bone, their genetically derived size determines the proportions of FFM you can maintain.
As far as the Scoobs goes, the dude definitely got to where he is now Natty - his physique has hardly changed in 15 years.
>>36767968
so did Dexter Jackson's
>>36766955
He's a top vers with an exceptionally stinky penis.
>>36767564
Yes. Also for funzies.
>>36767874
the one thing people keep overlooking who claim scooby did scooby is when exactly did he do them? his gainz thru the years have actually been very pathetic, probably because he didnt know what he was doing. if he was using steroids then he didnt gain any muscle using them.
>>36768059
I reckon he's a bottom
His partner's got that look in his eyes
>>36768120
top kek, "scooby did scooby"
meant "scooby did steroids"
>>36766955
bottom + diaper play
>bigger than Arnold
>natty
>>36768120
I dunno maybe when his chest explodes between 97-2001
>>36768303
it turns out he isn't.
>>36768335
yep
that's when he loses the distinctive soft natty look and gains like 30lbs of solid muscle
before 1996 could very well be natty, no problem
after 1996 definitely isn't, no doubt about that
>>36768463
or in scooby's version - that's when he stopped adding mass, realised definition made him appear more muscular and maintained while leaning out.
>>36768493
just like Arnold would start jogging on the beach and stop eating butter to get in contest shape (that's what he actually said)
one day you'll be shaking your head in disbelief you used to believe such bullshit
>>36768585
I'm open-minded about it - I can't see 30lbs of muscle between 1996 and 2001
>>36768585
You can eat the same amount as usual and still cut for contest with cardio
Its what priest did
>>36768615
trust me and do yourself a favor - keep lifting until you've hit 2-3 years of natty training and become friends with as many people at the gym as you can to see what kind of training time / steroid use gives what kind of results. only, and only then you have a somewhat accurate idea of what's possible naturally.
>>36767677
> thinking there are gays that don't participate in anal sex
>>36768125
pic?
>>36768665
many bodybuilders eat even more before the contest compared to the rest of the year and it's not because of fucking meme cardio which they do only to lose water. it's because of hormones. most of them take sissy doses in the offseason compared to precontest, when they gain a ton of muscle while getting leaner. and it doesn't really matter what they eat, until the last 1-2 weeks. best examples of that strategy would be Heath and Levrone. Priest too.
>>36767437
And?....Are you arguing something? I can't tell
>>36768463
>>36768335
So you don't think someone who's life is dedicated to the gains could lean out in 4 years? Especially when he said himself that he realized he needed to get leaner? Makes sense.
>>36768738
I ain't saying they didn't having hormones to do the work lol, just saying that you can use cardio to reach deficit rather than cutting food
>>36769035
He didn't "lean out", he got much bigger and lean at the same time. He's natty lean for someone 6'3 in 1990.
>>36769035
Yes
because that's not how it works mate. there are boundaries set by your hormones and genetics. you're obviously nowhere near close yours and think they're much further ahead. thinking like you on this stage of "lifting career" is normal and you're going to realize sooner or later that his 96-01 transformation is as natural as flying into space
if you were smart enough to see that people like him have 0 reasons to tell the truth and 1000 reasons to lie you'd be a lot more sceptical
>>36766278
I'd do a bunch of drugs in a heart beat if it made me look like that. Problem is I already took a bunch of drugs but they aren't the kind that helps your gains and I am still obese.
Both of my parents are obese and I just recently got grossed out when I went to the chinese buffet with them.
>>36769091
But he has GOAT hormones, he's gay which is the highest of test.
Look at Omar Isuf to put x years lifting meme to rest. Looks exactly the same from year 3 to year 6, has exact same lifts in 2016 as 2013. In his 20s not 40 like Scooby was.
>>36769151
In a heartbeat? Those drugs also make your balls shrink, give you moodswings, make you bald, can fuck up your skin, fuck up your natural test production, and there is good reason to suspect that they can also significantly shorten your lifespan.
You might wanna think it over...
>>36769091
Then how do you explain this
>>36767818
Doesn't that suggest he's within the limits of a natty lifter?
>>36769185
He already said he does drugs and is obese. You think he gives a fuck about his health?
>>36768694
exactly!
>>36769187
numbers and words might suggest Ronnie Coleman is natty
pictures suggest Scooby is at least on 500mg test year round, quite possibly more/something besides test
but even if we went by numbers, 210lb 6-8% bf at his height natty sounds as real as Jason Blaha becoming a fitness model
>>36768694
>>36769216
If he has unusually strong muscle-building potential then a random sample of 30 gym-members won't work as a reference - in any area there are outliers (IQ of 200, 7ft tall etc.). I understand that 2-3 years isn't enough - he lifted for somewhere like 12-17 before (according to him) he maxed out.
>>36767818
S-Scooby... is that you?
I feel the spirit of the scoobs in this post!
I want to believe!
>>36769293
Well if we go by numbers, 210 and 8% bodyfat comes out to within natty limits according to whatever study was posted earlier. Assuming the study is a good piece of science. I see what you're saying though. I'll never be that big natty that's for sure. I still think scoobs is the man though
>>36769365
""""study""""
dude really there are studdies suggesting you get fucking cancer from breathing. as far as fitness and bodybuilding it's always better go by common sense and advice of people who have real life experience and no reason to lie to you. the "no reason to lie to you" is tricky though. even tripfags on this board lie to keep the "natty tag" next to their stupid nickname on 4chan. now tell me someone like Scooby doesn't have a reason to lie.
>>36769445
> peoples anecdotes are better than studies
facepalm.jpg
Scooby is Santa Claus. Aka he is good for the kids and as elders we should keep his image alive.
>>36769445
You will also find people who give you advice that is completely ridiculous, retard
>>36767818
>>36769336
It could have been scooby. That's the way he speaks.
But probably not. Might be a witty troll.
>>36769445
Lost me there. The nature of science makes it better than anecdote. However, an individual study could be bad or good science. I don't think you have a good grasp of statistics either. Scoobs has plenty of reason to lie. He's still the man though.
>>36769507
if you think typical fitness studies like "30 DYELs ate nothing but 1000kcal of protein for 14 days and lost no muscle" is more useful than advice of someone with years of experience then you've lost the plot kid
>>36769571
Plenty of people get jacked doing a bro split and eating in and out 3 times a week. Plenty of big people in the gym have no fucking clue what actually allowed them to get big. I think I'll pass on what they have to say.
>>36768335
you are a moron, there is no 1997 photo. If you are talking about his chest exploding from 1989 to 2001 that is 12 fucking years, you dont think that is possible natty?
Besides, when is the last time you knew of someone using steroids and ending up with big pecs with non-existant traps and shoulders like he has in 2001?
>>36769091
if you honestly think steroids are required for his 96-2001 transformation you are a DYEL. it doesnt even look like he gained muscle, he just got leaner
>>36769571
top kek!
>>36769755
>tells me I'm dyel, literally doesn't know how muscles look like
if that transformations looks natty to you it means it's well beyond your current level and you just assume it's possible.
don't tell me you're natty and done what he did between 1996 and 2001 because that would be like telling me you're white even though I'm standing in front of you and seeing you're black
>>36769500
thats sad if scoobs is the only one with a wit on all of /fit/!
>>36769883
go away Dr.Suess
>>36768335
funny how you cry and leave the playground when caught making shit up
>>36769938
why would I leave, I am having a great time! Its a battle of the wits and all the morons here are defenseless.
>>36769990
>>36769990
> battle of the wits and all the morons here are defenseless.
that's the oldest, least original line in the book of uncreativity. If you want to be witty, you'll have a very very long way to go.
>>36769659
no one has any idea why anything happened to them in life, and yet they all scream like apes, "I DID THIS, THIS IS MINE AND MINE ALONE, I AM MY MASTER,"
It is fucking embarrassing; we have a long way to go.
come on folks, how about something solid unstead of made up shit showing scoobs uses steroids. so far we have ffmi numbers pulled out of thin air, we have 'misread' dates on photos, and anecdotal stories about what others have done in the gym. give me your best shot
>>36770054
excellent! we have a challenger! so mister wit, please present a cogent argument proving scoobs uses steroids using facts!
>>36770194
I have no argument to make, as I have no opinion on the matter; having never used steroids myself or known anyone personally who has.
>>36770219
can't use a semicolon on a fragment! -10dkp
>>36770307
- making up strawman opinions and assigning them to other people: -10dkp
- derailing the discussion with useless shit: -10dkp
- using tired old lines to vaguely insult others on the internet that we've all heard in english class in primary school: -10dkp
- trying to correct other peoples grammar on the internet while not properly capitalizing, not properly using commas and not properly using apostrophes: -10dkp
- being worse at english than an ESLer: -10dkp
- giving other people on an anonymous image-board dkp: -9001dkp
You can consider yourself served; I'm going to bed.
>>36770128
clearly I am spoiling everyones fun here. I will let you back in the playground so you can have fun making shit up without me to call you on it every time
>>36768120
he looked so fucking A E S T H E T I C back in 91
>>36770405
i'm not the other anon i just wanted to point out your try hard grammar.
>worse at english
How so?
>using the same meme the person you're insulting did while making fun of him for it
You are brain dead m8
>>36769336
That's what I thought too
No, he isn't. I like Scooby, but you are fucking braindead if you don't think the guy who has admitting to taking testosterone boosters isn't on anything else when he looks like that in his late 50s.
It honestly makes me sad how many Youtube bodybuilders are on gear and still claim to be natty. You can't look the way these people do naturally, it's just not possible without drugs. I know they can't admit to it, but I don't know why they keep tricking teenagers over and over into thinking by eating 400 grams of protein and 5000 calories a day you'll look like Zyzz in a couple of years. Just be fucking honest with them that as a natural bodybuilder you aren't going to ever look like these people.
