>first cycle
>not just test with an AI

Not gonna make it lad

>>36472130
My opinion is: you'll still be 5'7" when the cycle is done.

>>36472173
i've been doing fine with my height in my country, only 2cm below average in my country, and over 15cm above woman average

I just put in google my height to translate in inches and i'm 5' 8'5'', 174cm

>5'7"

Christ. What's the fucking point?

>>36472130
>Why 4 compounds in the first cycle?
>Age?
>Dianabol 30mg EW? not ED?
>You ganne love it when the tren hits.
>This cycle will fuck up your body on the long term.
>PIC?

that's kind of a lot. Either do a Test-E only cycle or Dbol and Test E to see how you do. After that you can see what happens. But that cycle is a little like diving into the deepend.

>>36472520
This.

>>36472130

>5'7

Don't even bother

This is like taking a kid to a downhill mountain bike course for his first day learning to ride. You're going to hit a tree and hurt yourself. The fact that you would even think this is a reasonable first cycle shows how little research you've done. You're a fucking idiot, have fun fucking up your body.

>>36472507
Age 24, the dianabol is ED, i misswrite, why would this cycle fuck my body in the long term?

I would say that the dosification is very soft.

Ostarine is optional but i did a 5week cycle of it and liked it (endurance+joints feeling amazing)

>>36472602
>Using tren on your first cycle
No one ive seen has recommended it

>>36472173

Savage

>>36472158
This.

First cycle, you want to be running just Test to get a feel for how your body reacts to it.
Test and Dbol at a push.
Tren on a first cycle is like running a marathon the first week after buying your first running shoes.

You also want some kind of liver support with that Dbol just to be on the safe side, and I would suggest taking your ostarine after the cycle, or between the end of your last shot of test, and the start of your PCT to reduce loss of gains. That may be bro science though, I dunno, just how I personally would use it. It would seem a bit pointless running it alongside test and tren, unless you have fucked up joints.

>>36472669
literally no clue about what you're talking

ostarine is supressive and taking it in PCT is retarded,

liver support in dbol is a stupid myth

Take a cycle support. And do a better cycle.

Iron Labs do a good one

>>36472709
>worrying about shutdown from ostarine compared to already running actual steroids.
>short half life would mean that running it up to the start of PCT while test levels in the blood are dropping, would not effect PCT.

>>36472130
>5'7

stopped reading right there

Lol at you wanting to do all this shit at 180lbs 16%bf.

>chubster
>manlet
>shit lifts
>1 yr training
>doing tren for a first cycle
>5 weeks on DBol

fucking hell /fit/ never change

train natty for 3 more years before you even consider

>>36472130
Drop the dianabol, increase test dosage to 500mg, don't use tren for your test cycle, 10mg ostarine is good enough for joint support, you won't need more

>>36473149

tbph, I think 3 years natty is enough to get your diet/routine on point and get somewhat close to your natty limit

>>36472130
>>36472173
>>36472382
>>36472565

4chan ruined my outlook on life its official. thats the exact though i had

>>36472173
lol where u live? in smurf village?

>>36472192

>>36473923

>>36472173
>tfw 7 ft tall
>children run away from me
>joints hurt all the time
>ekstreme case of skeletonitis
>forever del

I'd rather be a muscle dwarf than this
Be proud of your height, it has more benefits than you think. 5/6 guys I know under 5ft5 has a gf.

>>36474006
>Forever dyel *

>>36474006

5'8''

manlet here. sorry dude. do you have health problems? If not the nba will literally train you at your height.

>>36473923
Contrary to fit memes, many people are not tall. In fact half the population is below average

>>36472130
Leave the test at 500. Cut down before starting. Like 12%. You're also almost certainly not 16% bodyfat. Probably significantly fatter.

>>36472130
Be careful with the tren... I legit lost half the thickness of ny hair all in three weeks once it kicked in.... tho I was taking a lot, like 800mg a week... I stopped for a couple of weeks Then lowered the dose to 400mg a week and would see shedding within hours after injecting...

I'm on test+Deca and my hair had finally stopped shedding... Hopefully it will grow back.

>>36472130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9d2YJ3MOT8

>>36476397
I found rogaine helped a lot with shedding on tren. This cycle I haven't lost any hair on 500 tren. Last cycle I ran tren at 300 and I lost thickness

>>36476483
roiding for this

tren e for a first cycle
all of my why