is it easier to start off fat or skinny
Skinny.
Fat, gaining weight is hell
>>36109838
>>36109859
Thanks /fit/
>>36109768
Guys who started as fat will tell you the skinny guys have it easier. The guys who started skinny will tell you the fat guys have it easier.
>>36109859
Eh, as a murican gaining weight is easier, really depends on where you live imo
>>36109859
> eating more is hell
>>36109768
Be lean all the time man! if ur a skelly, do dirty bult. But otherwise do only leanbulk, and look good ALL THE TIME. Not like bulking 3/4 of the year and look good only few months in the summer.
>>36109768
I have the same question.
I am fat and have like 6 months at the gym. I have seen some results on my arms, chest and back but my stomach is still kinda big and really soft.
What to do?
I've been on both sides of it, but never extremely lean or underweight and not obese or anything. Starting skinnier was easier, cutting was always harder in the beginning for me anecdotally
>>36109768
Definitely skinny, even tho it might take a bit longer to achieve the same mass fat guys will look like shit because if loose skin and deformities of their chest and abdomen from being stretched out for years.
Skinny, definitely.
You will NEVER lose the appetite you developed from being a fatass and it will be a constant battle not to become fat again for the rest of your life.
Skinny people just need to weat a whey shake once per day to mantain even if they don't like food that much.
>>36109891
Control your calorie intake.
>>36109891
Not sure if its legal in ur country, but kill ur self. If its illegal, then just check ur died, go - 200 - 500 kcal.
Both are just as hard, stop the bullshit. Fitness is a hard and unforgiving life style, if it was easy everybody would be fit
>>36109883
Think about it objectively for a second
Skinny people need to eat MORE, they need to lut MORE effort into making and consuming food, even more money
All fat people have to do is eat LESS
They save time, money, even energy
Losing weight is WAY easier than gaining
>>36109948
>All fat people have to do is eat LESS
With your stomach literally hurting because you want more food and your mind focusing on it for hours on end if you're in a heavy cut and every instinct you have telling you to eat more.
Skinny people usually don't care about eating more, they're usually just lazy but they have no problem mowing down stuff for the most part, and there's a LOT of calory heavy stuff they can eat to gain weight without needing to feel like they're full.
>>36109970
How anyone can be hungry on a cut when lettuce exists is a mystery to me. If you're eating your baked chicken and turkey breasts and not being a fat little bitch and eating jellybeans all day you would feel fine.
>>36109768
Fat if you want to be strong and built, skinny if you want to be otter mode
>>36109989
lettuce is gross though
>>36110027
Fuck you buddy. Lettuce is awesome.
>>36110038
if its in a burger or sandwich it is
>>36109989
Guess you were confusing lettuce for broccoli you degenerate fuck.
>>36110027
Agree. I eat spinach instead
>>36109989
>How anyone can be hungry on a cut when lettuce exists
Shitty eating habits from years of eating like shit. It literally tastes like shit to your warped tastebuds. If it were as easy as you say, there wouldn't be a fat epidemic bruv.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJGIMd3_LfY
skinny, because you won't look like shit with your shirt off after lots of progress.
>>36110079
There's a fat epidemic because we're a species that is stagnating evolutionary due to tech and medicine. People can afford to just be big blobs of shit and society will even defend their right not to be treated as such
>>36110079
Yeah. Because I enjoy not eating pizza every day. It's called willpower breh. Fucking fat people think they're minds are being controlled by gut bacteria and pop tarts.
i started off as fat
all i did was do an 18/6 fast and eat less and lifted it literally took no effort
>>36110124
>to lose weight fatties need to develop willpower
>to gain weight skellies just need to have a whey milkshake every day
Glad we agree it's harder for fat people.
>>36110154
I actually do agree that it's probably harder to lose weight if you're obese than it is to gain weight on Auschwitz mode. I never said otherwise.
Not because of the inherent physical difficulties of overconsumption vs underconsumption, but because I think the majority of obese people are that way because they suffer from an addiction. As well as likely having been subjected to environmental or mental difficulties for long parts of their lives.
That doesn't mean they deserve sympathy or should be allowed to make excuses. Stop being a fucking child and get your shit together and lose the weight.
>>36109768
I started off fat as shit and it was easy enough when I got into it. Took a long time to become human shaped again but reckon it would have been harder starting off tiny.
>>36110229
>That doesn't mean they deserve sympathy or should be allowed to make excuses. Stop being a fucking child and get your shit together and lose the weight.
And I agree with that. I wasn't a complete hamplanet, most I was was 240 at 6'4 (29 bmi or so), but even so I had a hard time dropping that, but I did. My cousin was a skellie and we got in shape together and he says it was pretty easy for him, just ate pizza more regularly while we went to the gym.
I can't imagine how hard galaxies and planets must have it.
>force feeding yourself 5 times a day
VS
>acting like a normal sane human
I wonder
>>36110154
As an Auschwitz escapee, it is not by any means easy. You say "just have a whey milkshake", I say that I had to push my body into eating disgusting amounts of food to go past what I was used to. As a skelly, it was physically nauseating and occasionally painful to have to EAT BIG all the time and get those sweet optimal noob gainz.
>>36110266
>eating what u want
>getting stronger each session bcus calorie surplus
>no womanly shaped body
>normal sized clothes
VS
>hungry all time
>losing strenght
>stretch marks
>u look disgusting
>wasting alot of time it can take a year or 2 to lose the fat depending on weight
>more fat cells
>biggest of all LOOSE SKIN
I wonder
>>36110310
This
I'm escaping skeleton mode, it's still a pain in the ass to get those calories in, but I'm getting better at it.
>>36110266
>ottermode in 6 months
vs
>losing a small part of the weight you need to lose in 6 months
I wonder
>>36109768
Both
Skinnyfat is hell
>>36110344
>eating what u want
Can't afford to eat what I really want
>getting stronger each session bcus calorie surplus
Yeah, because I force feed myself to the point of almost vomiting because I don't want to eat anymore
>no womanly shaped body
This depends on the individual, I for one had good genetics and have always looked "manly". But others may not be so lucky
>>36110364
>Seedless raisins
are there even raisins with seeds in them?
>>36110373
Being both undesirable starting points at the same time with all the drawbacks and literally no bonuses. Yep
>>36110344
1.Noob gains are noob gains, so you're not losing strength as a fatty, it's just more difficult to see progress through the lard. When fat is gone you will se the results, unless you were dum enough to cut without getting fit in the process.
2.both get stretch marks.
3.more fat cells is a myth. Same amount just a bit fucked up, I'm afraid. They will have problems regulating hormones regularly for the rest of fatties life, but this is also the case with skellies- Severe underweight leads to long term hormonal unbalance and potential sterility.
4.Loose skin. Yes. Nothing can make this ok, unless you got serious cash (or until you've saved up said cash).
5.Eating what you want? Neither skelly nor fatty get this. No skelly wants forcefeeding or they wouldn't be skellies. Fatties can still eat what they want, just smaller amounts.
>>36110467
I have to sacrifice all my hobbies so I can afford to bulk. I feel your pain. I wish I was in the usa where food is dirt cheap
>>36110373
>>36110486
Not really. Just lift and shit will even out. No permanent damage to bodies and muscle will still come easy through noob gains.
>>36110478
Apparently.
>>36110518
Looks like a pile of old nigger's ball sacks.
>>36110544
top kek
>>36110266
This.
Do you fatasses think doing GOMAD is easy? Or that learning to make and eat food is in any way not humiliating as a grown man? You just need to stop being glutenous, we need to break the shackles.
Progress:
60kg-76kg (16.11-22.02) bf is about the same at 15%.
>everyone hates cutting
>people like bulking
>skinny is harder truestory
>>36110592
>people like bulking
I don't
>>36110630
So skinny isn't harder, it sucks just as much.
>>36109948
>breathing less is easier
>having less sex is easier
I could go on.
>>36109768
Both have an equally hard time putting on muscle. OK maybe the fat guy has a little bit of an easier journey. But, he has to lose fat too, which the skinny guy does not.
The skinny guy will look "aesthetic" even with minimal effort, because any muscle they put on will immediately show, even with only 6 months of work. A 40%bf guy may drop down to 20%, go up to 1/2/3/4 and he will look marginally better than when they started out.
tldr skinny has an easier start, objectively and irrefutably.
>>36110364
I don't understand why it's hard to eat 3000 calories? If I wasen't lean bulking right now I could easily eat 3500 calories in a day.
Why is there even a debate ? You start out skinny you become one of those "aesthetic" faggots
You start out fat you train to move weight
>>36110792
Literally all you need to do is add oil to stuff and you can have an extra 800kcal per day without even noticising.
People who have trouble bulking are absolute shitters who try to eat 3000 kcal in chicken breast in a single meal.
>>36110724
>A 40%bf guy may drop down to 20%, go up to 1/2/3/4
(Which is not at all doable in 6 months) I forgot to add
>>36110792
>but I'm getting better at it
If I don't constantly tell myself to eat more, I eat an average of 1500 calories a day.
Plus, weighing 130 at the start of my bulk (136 now) makes 3000 kcal seem like a big amount.
I would probably bulk for 8 months, but it gives me such a fat face. fucking hate it.
>>36110842
I'm a skellie bulking with IBS. Can't eat grains, legumes, rice, oil or nuts. Would love to get some advice.
>>36110842
Enjoy your heart problems in the future. Being fit is more than having muscle
>>36109768
itt: Skeletons vs Whales
>>36110870
Whey. Cheese. Jams. Fatty foods like bacon or pancetta.
Calories out the ass in all of those.
>>36110872
>olive oil is bad for you
Haha no. Go read up on it and the mediterranean diet.
>>36110906
Sad thing is, I put mayo on everything to up my calories.
>heat attack at 30
>>36110906
>Whey. Cheese. Jams. Fatty foods like bacon or pancetta.
Anything with too high fat content gives the same reaction as oils. Whey and other lean dairy products work fine but I need huge amounts to bulk up the calorie amount. a whole 800 gr tub of yoghurt is just 600 cals and with added stuff I can bulk it to 1200 at a push, but then I'm full of that stuff half the day.
>>36110848
Sheesh anon didn't realize you were that advanced of a skeleton
Try getting a taste for fried meats to get dat protein and calories
It depends whether you find it easier to bulk or cut. Not a person on the planet has started by being both skinny and fat so this question is like whats more painful childbirth or having your testicles stomped. You ain't gonna get an answer here OP. Either way, both are probably going to be hard if you need to adjust to a new life of dieting properly and training.
>>36110963
30 scoops of whey a day. Problem solved.
>>36110963
>can't eat fats, can't eat oils, can't eait grains, can't eat nuts
Might as well kill yourself then, or try to fix that IBS because that sounds like it sucks like ass.
What about drinking shit like Gatorade and such, which is pretty high in calories.
>>36110993
That's just 1500 calories and a total of 360 gr of protein. You do know that protein poisoning is a real thing right?
>>36109905
you can lose the appetite
>>36111005
I wasn't serious. My whey is 100 cal a scoop though.
>>36111001
Sodas and diet drinks tend to fuck up the gut more and make it worse. I drink milk, but a litre (can't drink full fat) is 400 cals, so I still need insane amounts.
rate my skelly leanbulk senpai
>>36111011
how
>>36111029
High protein works wonders.
>>36111016
That's a big scoop
>>36110027
Second
>>36111019
Sounds like you've been dealt a pretty shit hand m8. I guess you're just gonna have to eat more of the 5 things you CAN eat.
>>36111020
Much better than mine, fellow skeleton
>>36111029
by learning what hunger actually feels like
>>36111020
>calling that a lunch
>>36111019
Add sugar to the whey milkshakes.
FOUR SCOOPS CMON
>>36111079
Damnit :(
>>36111088
hunger pains???
>>36111088
Hunger and appetite are different things if you've been a fatty bombom all your life though. I got fat as a kid because I was a boredom eater and even now whenever I take 5 minutes to game or watch a series, I already start craving.
If you are OBESE then it's harder. If you are just fat then it's fine.
>>36111089
as long as i hit all my macros, amirite?
>>36111143
that's just a habit and an addiction, it isn't hunger, if you can't control yourself when you watch tv do something else
>>36111143
Fatty needs hobbies
>>36111194
Why don't you eat more instead of doing gomad?
>>36109948
>breathing less air is less effort than breathing more air
>smoking less cigarettes is less effort than smoking more
>drinking less alcohol is less effort than drinking more
Eating is an addiction to a lot of people. In order to break that addiction, you can either use drugs, or you can have a strong willpower. The problem is that fatties don't have that willpower to begin with, or else they wouldn't be fat.
I'm not making excuses for them. But you can't exactly say it's less effort to break an addiction. It's the same way with smokers. I'm not making excuses, but it is more difficult quitting smoking than it is to get the habit.
Of course, it's easier to stop eating/drinking/smoking if you never did it to excess to begin with.
>>36111304
its only half a gallon
is something wrong with it?
>>36111368
You barely eat and almost half of your calories come from milk. Doesn't sound correct if you ask me
>>36111101
hunger pains when you're fat start sooner than actual hunger
>>36111384
that looks like a normal amount of food to me
>>36111457
no wonder you're coming straight outta auschwitz faggot
>>36111537
maybe, but i never feel hungry and i'm pretty sure i eat enough
Anyone here malnourished as a kid? It's so hard to eat properly when you used to go on a meal a day as a kid
>>36111716
Get rid of the spinach, apple, banana, and instead eat a muffin, can of tuna and some peanuts. Then you don't have to drink half a fuckin gallon of milk every day. Take a vitamin and eat dense food
>>36109948
>>36111311
>injecting less heroin is less effort than injecting more heroin
>smoking less meth is less effort than smoking more meth
EZ
>>36109768
5'11 121 lbs here, recently started lifting, i use powdered protein too, how long until i gain some weight?
Hmm.. I always saw dieting as not having to do anything, where as with trying to put on weight you actively have to do something.
However, I'd rather start off skinny so that I wouldn't have to deal with the excess skin problem.
>>36111810
i'm a different anon, i think it looks like a normal amount of food and i don't drink milk (vegan)
>>36111812
Delusional fatty of the year award
>>36110079
She need 8000 calories a day maintanance for that physique
>>36109768
Skinny is easy if your goal is aesthetics.
Fat is easier if your goal is strength.
>>36112192
This is the only good answer
>>36112192
starting from being fat to being aesthetic was the most tiring thing ever
Both are pretty hard in their own respects, but I'd say skele is harder to recover from because it takes longer to build muscle than to burn fat, but we also don't have to ever worry about loose skin too.
>>36109859
I can relate, it depends on fatness level but I was basically a few steps above skellington mode and I have to gorge on shitty food, all the time, milk, peanut butter, oats, milk, mixed nuts. I can't eat anything aside from stuff that is high in protein and fats and I don't have a lot of money either. I've gained 20 lbs of muscle in 2 months which is nice but it took some effort
>>36111311
If eating to you is an addiction you were never cut out to become fit in the first place, your solution is to kill yourself x1
>>36112952
If he's an addict then he can just channel the addiction into something else, such as workouts. It's been done before and will happen again.
>>36110500
Just buy peanut butter rice and beans. Its dirt fucking cheap holy shit
>>36111191
what's the difference between fat and obese?
>>36113077
You can be fat by just eating a few hundred extra calories a day and accumulate it over years and then easily fix that by changing small details of your diet.
Only way to be obese is to have an ACTUAL food addiction.
>>36113105
For short people it is easy to get into clinical obese mode (bmi 30 and above) by eating 'normal' processed foods because their BMIs are so low that two 400 cal pizza slices will tip them far over their TDEE maintenance. If you do that stuff every day (which a lot of people do) you end up obese. Ignorance and processed foods create obesity, not 'addiction'.
Skinnyfat> fat > skeletor >hamplanet
>>36109768
In high school, I was 6' and 140lbs.
In college, I was 6' and 252lbs.
Today, I am 6' and 173lbs, and I can safely say, I would rather start skinny than start fat.
>as long as you aren't literally Auschwitz-tier, you can go out in public without fear of being judged
>skinny people don't have chub rub
>skinny people just have to eat like that cheeseburger killed their family
Seriously. I thought it was soooo bad being that skinny in high school. I was so fucking wrong.
Feel like fat would be better.
Make all the mad noob gains to a higher proportion to a skelly. Then just do a cut and boom, at a normal weight with good strength
