Which one is better?
For strength?
For hypertrophy?
More customizable?
Faster progression?
For muscular balance?
Texas is an actual intermediate powerlifting/strength routine. MadCow is actually an early-intermediate bodybuilding routine. Google the Powerliftingtowin.com reviews of them.
>>35996604
I'm gonna level with you.
I want an intermediate routine for bodybuilding and strength, which in my opinion come hand in hand for natties. I would go Madcow but I think the volume is too low and Madcow himself said time and time again not to add accessories. So that's why I'm wondering.
I've seen the PTW reviews but they come from a Powerlifting standpoint.
>>35996627
Im running madcow right now. Seeing great strength and mass gains. Do not worry about volume, here is enough. The first few weeks are a nice and easy entrance into the program. After week 4, every day is pretty tough. I would reccomend it
>>35996604Also, i wouldn't say TM is strictly powerlifting either. A 1:1 bench/press ratio is not ideal for most powerlifters. I would say that both madcow and TM are general strength programs with TM leaning towards PowerPoint, madcow towards bodybuilding.
>>35996746
*powerlifting
>>35996746
its a TEMPLATE
>>35996779
Apt contribution to the discussion anon.
>>35996779
ok smart guy. How would you modify this template then?
TM is a method (volume at the beginning of the week and intensity at the end of the week), madcow is a complete program that you can change hardly at all.
madcow works for peaking (although it isn't a proper peaking program) if you've done a highish volume routine before that, but the volume just isn't enough to sustain gains in a long term (>4 months). also works on a cut for maintaining your strength levels although you won't be able to follow the progress, ofc.
TM is meant for general strength, but it can be customized quite a lot. a 4-day split TM can be pretty good for BBing. not alternating with the OHP and some other benching tweaks can make it decent for powerlifting.
i dont understand your question of "faster progression". madcow has 2.5% more each time so it should be faster but the 2.5% doesnt make any sense and everyone does 2.5kg/5kg increases anyway. "vanilla" tm with the bench and ohp alternating has 2.5kg every two weeks for those lifts which can be pretty shit, but all this is just planned progression. you won't sustain either program for eternity and you won't get gains faster than the program gives you anyway, so it doesn't matter. a better question would be "which has smarter progression", and they are pretty much the same if you ignore the madcow 2.5% and don't alternate bench/ohp in TM.
muscular balance is also a too vague a concept.
>>35996604
how the fuck is madcow bodybuilding? piss poor volume and like two meaningful accessories done once a week
>>35996551
Neither, base your routine around the miscle groups youre specifically lacking.
I ise the mirror method. Focusong oon delts and legs now (multiple accessories and compounds for each) and doing minomal.chest and back work since I focused chest and back all summer.
>>35996973
thats fucking retarded. working out other parts less wont increase your gains in the other parts
>>35997025
Agreed.
>>35996973
pretty terrible advice. Stop tripping. you have nothing good to say
What should I do if I want to make strength gains without doing squats or deadlifts? So mainly upper body.
I can't do them due to knee injury. I haven't made gains in over a year and I'm still bordering between beginner and intermediate.
To make it worse, I have gained fat and I'm cutting now.
Am I fucked?
>>35997197
>I can't do them due to knee injury
bro learn proper form (lowbar) and use weight u can handle ull be fine
>>35997208
>proper form
>low bar
I'd rather die than do low bar again.
And no, I still couldn't do it without making my injury (patellar tendinitis) worse.
>>35997236
stay dyel then fgt
>>35996627
http://stronglifts.com/madcow/5x5_Program/Linear_5x5.htm
This has accesories. Just add two or three more if you feel comfortable to be honest.
>>35997386
>Implying you need low bar squats
I think people like you forget how versatile a workout can be.
I want the program that gives me this basically.
>>35996901
Justin Lascek wrote two books about TM.
You can find the first one by googling and the second one on plg's gdrive
>>35997644
for starters roids will help
>>35997644
take steroids
>>35997676
>>35997698
Oh please. He is well within the natty limit. He's not even that low on BF and his quads aren't that big. Five-seven years of solid lifting and eating/recovery and it's done.
>>35997644
lol that babydick. No wonder he roids.
>>35997386
I still lift more than you, faggot.
>>35997742
I WAS IN THE POOL
>>35997807
Lol doubt it twinky
>>35997591
you don't need them but with his attitude he wont get far
>>35997708
completely delusional
How long do they last? Can I expect steady gains over a five month period (Want to hit my goals in july)
How about doing the Texas Method switching out power cleans for rows, and adding assistance at the end?
>>35998886
>switching power cleans for rows
May as well start taking estrogen lad
>>35997708
>Klokov
>Within the natty limit
kek
yea dude, just start oly lifting, you will compete in the Olympics in no time.
>>35998937
Someone post that guy doing power cleans and getting paralyzed.
>>35998943
Someone post that guy being a little bitch.
Oh wait, you already did it B).
>>35998282
As long as you want them to. As stated earlier, TM is a method for lifting (volume, recovery, intensity). Mad cow follows a similar procedure except it is flipped (Intensity, recovery, volume). Both would give solid strength gains.
>>35996973
Socko get out you shitposting femmeboy.
PS L O N D O N
>>35996551
I prefer Madcow because I like doing ramped sets over a straight 5x5 because it feels more intense to increase the weight every set, but that's just me.
>>35997236
I have patellar tendinitis and low bar doesn't bother it. Volleyball does. Are you sure the squats are what inflame it?
So the general consensus is texas method since its a customizeable template right? And madcow is just one of those templates
>>36001661
Just do TM and add as laid out in the T-Nation article and add 2-3 BB exercises each day. Strength and size will come. Don't alternate bench and ohp and do front squats on recovery day.
>>36003411
But how am I supposed to do both bench and OHP?
How would you split the texas method in 4 days?
>>35997708
>>36004001
>>35996973
Worst advice in the history of advice.
>>35996973
Thats called Fuckarounditis.
>>36004332
Any proof that degenerate guy actually lifts?
>>36005076
Nah he pretty much just parrots starting strength and PP like many people on /fit/ but he forgot about Vickers.
>>36004332
D day is fucking retarded. Warming up for each lift+stretching at the end puts you in the gym for around 3hrs
>>36005281
Tell that to the Allied Vets you bitch.
>>35996902
Im not a noob but my strength has went down from injuries and because I was sick in hospital over christmas.
Im getting my size and conditioning back and strength is coming along but I know I could do better.
I cant really do deadlifts or pullups(my favorite exercises,got up to 160kg last summer with deads as well) due to golfers elbow so Im just doing pulldowns,machine rows and tbar rows.
ontop of that I dont want to go back to squatting 3x a week ive just switched to front squat because my ass is huge of them,no way im I doing them any more.
With that in mind how could I make a 4 day a week type strength program like TM and still be able to mess about doing like 3 diffrent types of curls and all out finishers with machines and that
Ive done the whole SS type programs in the past and they get you strong but you get bored of it very quickly.
>>36005281
Trappy gave me this routine and it feels really good.. Already making more gainz. But if you would change anything what would it be?
>>36005893
I should mention I do add some extra accerories and do dips as well
>>36005893
Any proof that guy actually lifts?
>>36005958
Its all research and learning. Coaches don't lift more than athletes. He knows more than me that's all I know.
>>36006052
So that's a no?
>>36005076
No. The degenerate claims to been lifting for 1 year and 4 months i think.
But i remember seeing threads from it some time ago asking very newbie questions so that makes me doubt it. But idk
>>36005893
LOL asking a trap for lifting advice.
>>36005688
????
>>36005688
Just do an upper/lower split. Look up candito's, maybe switch out the deadlifts for sumo or stiff legged or something like that
>>36005893
You need a whole new routine. I'd go with ss and gomad.
>>36005893
Please don't tell me you've wasted more than a week with this routine.
>>36005893
Welcome to no gains city.
Population: you
>>36005893
Make sure to bring someone to the gym with you so you guys can suck each other off in the locker room for all those gainz you're trying to find.
>>36005893
Got any pics? Preferably with a dick in them.
>>36005904
Don't listen to these haters. They don't want you to be a glorious looking trap with a beautiful boipussy like you have.
>>36005893
I'd probably do more butt excersizes so all the boys will be more confused about your sexual orientation at the gym and you may be able yo snag some of them.
>>36006052
He's a fraud. Taking estrogen and shit I bet.
>>36005904
Bring someone really weak with you so that way you'll seem much stronger than you actually are.
>>36005076
I asked in a routine thread.
has been lifting 1 year 4 months.
Stats are an 80 kg squat...and thats as far as I got because if you cant squat lmao2pl8 then i dont listen to your advice.
>>36006803
But have you seen his boy pussy? He knows so much about lifting that he's able to change his male looking body into a glorious trap.maybe that'd why this kids listening to him.he just wants a glorious boy pussy. Don't let anyone stop you from doing what you want! Follow your heart even if it means becoming a female.
>>36005893
Have you thought about just not going to the gym and just eating a lot less while supplementing yourself with some bath tub estrogen?
>>36005893
Ss + gomad
the texas method is shit. It has you pressing 3 times per week but only doing "direct" back work (I use the term loosely since it's just 3 sets of chin-ups) once per week. Enjoy muscular imbalances Riptitsfags.
Madcow, on the other hand, will get you strong and jacked. The best best way is to implement side and rear delt work on Mondays, chin-ups on Wednesdays, and the recommended arm work on Fridays. Boom. Perfectly balanced routine, without any of the gay Olympic lifts or pussy-weight 5x5 across sets.
Prove me wrong. You can't.
>>36006923
Trappy pls go
