Interesting article.
https://www.t-nation.com/opinion/should-steroids-be-legal?utm_source=4chan&utm_medium=topkeks
What I took away from it:
1) Steroids are actually not as dangerous as you think, and safer in prolonged large doses than things like Vitamin C and Tylenol. They are also safer than prohormones.
2) Steroids became illegal in the USA not because of medical opinion but out of political shilling by Biden.
Why did they criminalize testosterone? Why is it possible for doctors to administer hormones to turn a young boy into a girl, but not if you want to become a yoked bodybuilder?
Powers that be clearly want the western world to be feminine and weak. The entire developed world has been poisoned with massive levels of artificial estrogen like compounds yet you have to jump through hoops to even get low doses of test.
>>35943723
:^)
>>35943693
Deluded article. The comparison with vitamin C and even water is non-sensical.
>>35943723
No one believes me when I tell them the jews are trying to destroy the white race :^(
>>35943723
OP here and I'm actually inclined to believe this. They also criminalized prostitution (while promoting porn and sexuality in the media). It's like there's a war on maleness. Is it to keep us down and dumb?
>>35943749
Does it give wrong information? The guy that wrote it is a roider and roiding expert apparently (living in Mexico where it's legal). I've never done roids or read anything about them, I just see threads every so often here.
>>35943753
There's a war of the sexes going on, and women are winning.
>>35943726
but it's true... they want you weak for obvious reasons.
>tfw all the hormones in food now produce young ass Kylie Jenner type whores
I ain't 100% mad about all the estrogen in the food but I don't want to eat it brehs.
Is there any politician that comes close to decriminalizing steroids?
>>35943785
Ron Paul
>>35943785
prolly trump if we tell him will lift the Mexicans out of this country. fuck nigga I would help build the wall my self for minimum wage & a free roid stack
>>35943763
It doesn't give specifically wrong information, the problem hat it selects the information it provides very carefully so that roids seem to have no downsides (mainly by making really stupid comparisons). The whole political bullshit is not even worth reading, as it doesn't matter.
Steroids are not illegal, they just require a prescription, like they should. If it were completely (as in over-the-counter) legal, people will eventually destroy their bodies with it and you and I have to pay for it, 100%.
It's weird to me anyway, why people think they can expect to change their body chemistry in abnormal ways to overcome their dysmorphia. They should probably investigate the problems that even makes them think it's somebody they definitely need instead of spending their time writing shitty articles like that.
>>35943768
How can this be if "the patriarchy" is in charge? Please don't let Hitlery get the presidency
>>35943824
*something
You're all fucking idiots who go on your meme sites to avoid the truth that anabolic steroids can have chronic and irreversible negative health outcomes
and remain psychologically and physiologically addictive. They're illegal to stop retards like you from using them and having any tax payer compensate for your stupidity.
>>35943693
>open gym
>name it The Church of Iron
>file as a religious organization
>don't pay taxes
>consider steroids to be a sacrament
It's not some fucking conspiracy to steal your gains, it's the same as any other retarded American drug policy: just the result of some politicians gaming to try and have an "issue" for them to overcome.
>>35943849
Biden pls leave.
>>35943849
>They're illegal to stop retards like you from using them and having any tax payer compensate for your stupidity.
Steroids are not illegal worldwide. For example not in Mexico and Thailand. Tren is not illegal in the UK. Why isn't what you're describing happening there?
>>35943824
this
Jesus Christ, think of how bad Rich Piana's health must be already. Now imagine any jerkoff could pump as much test into themselves as they like whenever.
You guys are like stoners "Weed is medicine mannnn", and while the negative effects are certainly overplayed everyone here is pretending test has no side effects.
>>35943890
Mexico and Thailand don't give a shit what happens to their citizens and the UK isn't as pharma-crazy like the US is. Americans will put fucking anything into their bodies if they think it will make them lose weight, grow muscles.
>>35943904
This is true
Seriously, everyone:
Think of all the shit diet pills that Dr. Oz sells by the billions to sad house wives. And everyone knows on some level that stuff is bunk, but it sells anyway.
Now imagine known effective steroids are being sold by Dr. Oz and every fatty thinks "Oh, as long as I just slam test I can eat whatever I want and I'm still gonna get ripped".
Sorry, but it makes total sense for steroids to be illegal.
>>35943904
they sell way worse shit then basic test still.
>>35943899
>Now imagine any jerkoff could pump as much test into themselves as they like whenever.
>imagine
>not remember
They haven't been illegal that long. And there was never any epidemic. Body building got crazy since they became illegal, and even cops use shitloads of test still.
Now you imagine if you could talk to a doctor about your steroid use.
>>35943693
All drugs should be legal. In a truly free country, what one does in their spare time should be no concern of the government or anybody else for that matter. Prohibition causes way more problems than it solves.
>>35943964
spoken like a true stoner
>>35944006
>ad homonym
Typical statist cuck, no argument
>>35943964
>and even cops use shitloads of test still
Yeah but most of that is just Coleman.
What do cops need test for?
>>35944022
>Now you imagine if you could talk to a doctor about your drug abuse.
Fact: You can use steroids and be reasonable safe if you know what you're doing and only use small to moderate amounts and kinds, and use them for the right reasons.
Fact: The majority of people who use steroids are fucking lowlife inbred retards who have no fucking clue whatsoever what they're doing, and don't care either, and do it for all the wrong reasons.
The problem with this whole debate is the same problem there is when debating the legality of marihuana: It could be legal, but all the guys who want it to be, want it for the wrong reasons and are idiots.
Also, on a side note, I think we should stop just saying "steroids". Steroids aren't just steroids. Aspirin and morphine are both drugs that help with pain, yet one is harmless unless you're very stupid or very unlucky, while the other can outright kill you if you don't know exactly what you're doing. Same thing with steroids.
Marijuana is illegal because governments don't want their workforces to be lazy stoners, they don't want productivity to decrease which affects the economy.
No tinfoil hat.
>>35943995
yes and if you have any health problems related to drug use, you should be denied health coverage no matter what.
>>35944143
>It could be legal, but all the guys who want it to be, want it for the wrong reasons and are idiots.
serious question
are you talking about the people who have "back pain" or "anxiety" who "need" their card or what
>>35944203
>are you talking about the people who have "back pain" or "anxiety" who "need" their card or what
No. But those are a minority. Most of the people who want to legalize it are just stoners. Anyway let's stay on the topic of steroids.
It's sexism at the core, plain and simple.
Think about the ubiquity of estrogen.
Testosterone is vilified because it's tied to masculinity and we don't tolerate masculinity because it's a threat to the prevailing power structures.
>>35944311
If you have a clinical problem it's not hard to get test. My brother got it because his puberty was delayed. My dad takes topical test to bring him up to normal levels
>>35944172
Why are you talking about marijuana?
>>35943723
>Is it to keep us down and dumb?
Well think about the stereotypical "alpha male". They are ambitions and don't like being fucked by someone for their own gain. I'm not even talking fight club crazies, just manly people in general. They are harder to control because they want to be on top, versus normal hipster cucks who are fine working at starbucks until they are 40.
The people in power (>inb4 jews) don't even want the population to be a well oiled machine anymore like they did in the 1900s. The way the economy and politics work right now means that everything is just on autopilot and they want the people to do literally nothing.
>>35944532
They should give me a basic income then.
>>35944532
Man, who's they? Who enacted what measures? And why then does every policy put through these days (such as the fight against 15 an hour) seem to be forcing people to work harder instead of a Bread and Circuses type set up?
Look inside yourself, you know what you say to come from your feelings not the facts.
The fact is that the modern age makes passive everyone, male or female. There's no conspiracy, just greater convenience leads to greater laziness.
>>35943693
'Legal' steroids isn't a realistic proposition.
1. We live in a world of The Pharmacutical Industrial Complex. Steroids are extremely cheap to produce (particularly testosterone, which is comes from vegetable sources) does not have enough profit margin for the drug companies to make readily available. For example - even purchased on the black market - a ten week 250mg test cycle with clomid for PCT and pins costs less than $100. Additionally most steroids are out of patent.
2. Ruling elites have no interest in masculinising the male populace. Whereas smashing girls' hormones with the pill (estradiol) from the age of 13 leading to (1) female health issues (google - the use of the pill is worse on a woman long term than blasting and cruising throughout a man's life) and (2) a declining birthrate in the West is in their interest.
3. The population aren't educated enough on sex steroid use to agree to it. For instance, criticising sportsmen as cheats without being aware that gear is necessary to achieve anything in sports and every top and most average sportsmen are on the gear. (Google 'Paula Radclife' and roids. Anyone who knows their shit knows she's on.)
Implementing the Western European model - i.e. legal to buy for personal use, but illegal to deal - would be a better question to ask. However, this exists because WE healthcare is nationalised. In the US the above mentioned Pharmacutical Industrial Complex would never let this happen.
>>35943753
>They also criminalized prostitution (while promoting porn and sexuality in the media)
Prostitution is criminalized because it is a profession of small businesswomen that largely exists tax free.
It's why you get so much shit demonizing john's and working girls in the media ('human trafficking' particularly, 'dangerous' and 'misogynist') because they want to bring a big earning industry under their control. Even though the reality is most working girls aren't in danger and would hate for it to become legal as they would lose 50%+ of earnings through tax overnight. 'Legalizing' prostitution only benefits the taxman.
By contrast, promotion of porn and sexual deviancy in the media benefits elites because it keeps people wanking themselves silly and not establishing societal bonds and structures (relationships, family and children) and fucks them up mentally beyond repair.
>>35944656
>ruling elites
I love this idea that world leaders of vastly different cultures and ideals have all gotten together and, not only have acted in cooperation for decades or centuries (when have people in power ever willingly shared it over generations?) said "You know what? We only want girly guys because somehow that will secure our rule, let's secretly poison all food supplies (of which we have access to all). Oh, and make sure that no one but some autists on an anime image board ever catch on.
>>35943768
'Divide and conquer'
There's no war. It's just that women, at this stage, have been fucked up mentally worse than men because they are the weaker sex and are easier to manipulate. Read up on the history of suffrage and feminism and look between the lines. Men and the West were attacked through their women. Debase women – the creators of life and mothers of the next generation – and the rest falls into place.
roids are for gays and men with body image issues who deep down want to be a little girl
>>35943849
How are steroids physiologically addictive? The only way they are addictive is psychologically
>>35944829
You do realize that fine folks such as yourself have been blaming the jews for their lack of success with women for over 2000 years? It's not getting any truer.
>>35944781
Protip:
Google the few countries who do not have private banks based out of the City of London running all financial affairs and you'll discover it's a list of Western (and most Eastern) enemies. Why is that?
P.S.
It is the jews.
>>35944902
***HASBARA TROLL DETECTED***
Chaim, enjoying that grant money for posting on here all day?
>>35944910
Is it possible that simply we are enemies due to cultural and historical differences and the banks are just one symptom of this?
No wait, jews control both sides of every war, and yet can barely protect Israel's borders. It's so clear now.
>>35944977
>shill
>>>/pol/ is that way, you must be new here we don't try to make every discussion about jews here on /fit/
Like seriously, the best you can do is an ad hominem? Do you have anything to actually say or just "This opinion disagrees with mine so they must be part of a conspiracy".
Of course steroids should fucking be legal. The fact that women can get synthetic estrogens to improve their quality of life without issue while I'd do hard time for the same is fucking ridiculous. I'm not one for conspiracy theory shit, but >>35943723 is spot on the money. Test levels are at the lowest ever, yet even just test to get you to baseline is controlled harder than fucking opiates medically.
>>35944338
You're way outside of the norm. Usually a man has to be below 300 on their blood tests (the levels of an old man), and most doctors will only prescribe enough to get the boy/man up to the lower end of normal, i.e. 500, when they should be about 800 at least.
>>35945125
This.
>Go to doctors, get test tested
>218 ng/dL
>"Well it's above 200 so you're fine lel"
Not to sound like 420blazeit faggot, but there is simply no logical reason to ban any kind of drugs. We live in the age of endless, free information, people have more than enough resources to make educated decisions about their own lives
>>35945247
>people have more than enough resources to make educated decisions about their own lives
And have clearly shown that they're utterly incapable of doing so.
>>35945247
This assumes that everyone is a rational logical person though, which if were true, we'd be living in a utopia.
Some things need to be controlled because the average person is clinically retarded
>>35945267
>>35945279
Who cares? It's not the state's job to protect the citizens from willful ignorance. Personal responsibility would weed out a lot of the lowest dregs of society. Either that or it'd give them a hard kick in the nuts so they'd improve. My rights shouldn't be curtailed curtailed just to protect the stupid.
What's that quote again? "You shouldn't ban steak just because a baby can't chew it", or something to that effect. If people hurt themselves then not my fucking problem.
>>35943773
>they want you weak
They already try to make us fat and stupid, that should be enough.
>>35945247
If you had any idea just how fucking stupid people generally are. Just look at obesity and the educated decisions that lead to that.
>>35944311
no, estrogen is generally safer and doesn't have many serious side effects, even if a complete idiot were to use them.
test on the other hand will land an idiot in the hospital quickly and drain a huge amount of public money because the same dickhead thought it would be a good idea to blast and cruise on 20g every day.
estrogen barely needs any instructions, while test and other anabolic steroids will fuck you up badly if you don't spend months researching them.
>>35945301
>If people hurt themselves then not my fucking problem.
It is if you live in Denmark where we pay their healthcare.
>>35945247
Ron Paul 2016 amirite
>>35943693
Tell that to Chris Benoit.
>>35943861
we should do that
>>35945301
>It's not the state's job to protect the citizens from willful ignorance.
It's in the best interests of the State to protect it's citizens. Generally, States with better protection of it's citizens from themselves do better. Anarchist societies don't exist for a reason. There needs to be a balance between liberties and government control.
>Personal responsibility would weed out a lot of the lowest dregs of society. Either that or it'd give them a hard kick in the nuts so they'd improve. My rights shouldn't be curtailed curtailed just to protect the stupid.
Pretty sociopathic of you, Anon.
>If people hurt themselves then not my fucking problem.
Reduction of labour force resulting in impacted economy, higher tax rates for medical costs of society, general human empathy, etc
>>35945318
>no, estrogen is generally safer and doesn't have many serious side effects, even if a complete idiot were to use them.
That's objectively wrong though. If you dropped an equivalent amount of synthetic estrogen as 20g test then you'd totally be in the hospital. The only reason estrogen seems "safer" is because it's legal and available in safe, supervised dosages. Your hypothetical scenario is a result of prohibition, and only hurts your own defense of it.
>>35945331
So what? Do you support banning driving? What about alcohol and cigarettes? Or candy? Literally anything is dangerous in the hands of retards, but to ban it because "muh healthcare" is one of the worst arguments I've ever seen on here.
>>35945318
>Cruising on 20g every day
>>35945370
>So what? Do you support banning driving? What about alcohol and cigarettes? Or candy? Literally anything is dangerous in the hands of retards, but to ban it because "muh healthcare" is one of the worst arguments I've ever seen on here.
Danger's in the dose. Driving a car is extremely safer than doing heroin, for example. That's why countries have drug classes and penalties associated with different drugs.
The system isn't perfect, but it's a lot better than a free-for-all.
>>35945385
the 20g part was meant specifically to refer to the hypothetical idiot.
>>35945370
Don't try to argue with a cucked nanny state eurofag. They do not understand personal responsibility.
They obviously should, and anyone educated on the topic knows it, that being said, not much people are educated on it, and old people are like "das cheating cuz it's better than muh God given genes!"
The intelligent man uses tools at his disposal to reach his goals. There is no rule in life that says roiding is cheating (unless obviously If you're competing), and if roids are "cheating", where do we draw the line? Are people not allowed to use Creatine or caffeine either? Everyone uses steroids in sports anyways though, show me a pro athlete, any pro athlete, and I'll show you someone taking some form of PEDs
>>35944781
>nobody realizing that 'muh declining test rates' are because everyone just got fat as fuck
>>35945301
Yeah and people should be allowed to drive drunk too. Just as long as they don't hit anybody, right?
>>35945428
>Murricans insulting Europe nanny state
>Murrica literally shittiest first world country in every sense except for military power
Get back to me about nanny states when the US stops having the highest incarceration rate in the world
>>35945366
Dude, your nanny state defense doesn't stand up to even the most cursory scrutiny. You can pull all the ad homs you want, but that doesn't make your argument any better. Saying that I support anarchy because I think steroids should be legalized is indicative of mental illness, you should see a doctor.
>>35945397
Car accidents are one of the leading causes of death in the developed world. If you truly want to increase safety, the freedom to drive should be first on the chopping block.
I'm not advocating a free for all. There's a big difference between "legal but controlled" and "illegal to a ridiculous degree".
>>35945428
Yeah, you're probably right. I consider myself liberal, but I guess the root of "liberty" got lost at some point for these people.
>>35945477
>muh red herring
>>35945484
>literally shittiest first world country
That must be why the euro is the world reserve currency now, oh wait.
>>35945499
That's not what a red herring is, and it's not a strawman either. You're talking about doing something with a high potential to harm other people (fiscally or physically), why would a first world country not regulate it in some way?
>>35943723
God damnit, its true. There is a lot of evidence that estrogenic compounds are becoming more and more prevalent in the food/water supply. The research points to a lot of water supply and fish, such that specifically fish contain lots of these hormones because the hormones exist in the water they thrive in.
Its a sad reality, but i think its a true reality. Back when reagan was in office, the world was much more /fit/. Obesity was dealt with at a younger age, and the kids had gym class. They were essentially army ready, which is a shit ton better than "going to sit at work for 8 hours a day" ready.
Legit "Physical Fitness" is now a thing from the 90's. Physical fitness isn't a thing anymore in the latter part of the 2000's moving into now 2016. Sure, we're trying to be healthier, vegan, non GMO. But all of this promotion is all targeted at eating. None of it is targeted at physical fitness. Its a disgrace.
>>35945492
>indicative of mental illness
What are you, seventeen
>I consider myself liberal, but I guess the root of "liberty" got lost
Oh, okay, sixteen.
>>35945533
Red herring: A red herring is something that misleads or distracts from a relevant or important issue.
Pretty much exactly what you were doing with the ridiculous derivation of my point. The only potential harm from choosing to use a certain drug in a controlled fashion is to the user, just like with every dug. Nobody was arguing for DUIs to be legal. Every single "consequence" you've invented in your head is just that: invented.
>>35945542
>oh no, he realized I'm full of shit!
>better drop more ad homs
>>35945540
>and the kids had gym class
They don't now? I thought pretty much every country had gym class?
>>35945626
A red herring is a misleading clue in a detective novel you underage dickhead. And nobody ever has done any damage to anyone but themselves from drug use? Alright. "In a controlled fashion" top fucking lmao.
>>35944771
It's legal in Nevada and taxed/regulated. It works out well. The only reason it's not legal elsewhere is that you've got Bible nuts on the right and feminists on the left both opposing it
>>35945673
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring
Should have stayed in school. At least I realize now how ignorant you are so I don't need to take you seriously like I was. If you can't differentiate between letting anybody anywhere buy a cycle from the gas station and controlled, prescribed steroids from a doctor then you're too far gone.
>>35945717
>prescribed steroids from a doctor
But that's already a thing.
>>35945779
Except it's not. You can't go into the doctor and say "hey doc, I'd like to get a supervised steroids cycle please". The only way to get it is if you're a tranny or have the test of a dying ninety year old man.
>>35945822
It might be difficult to get it from your GP but it's not hard to get a prescription. There are clinics that make their whole business men prescriptions for testosterone.
the jews are the reasons why you cant get test? am i reading this correctly?
>>35945864
>It might be difficult
It's nigh impossible to get JUST test from a doctor, and something like tren would never fucking happen. Sure, there are very expensive clinics that can get you test, but that's about it, and you shouldn't have to go to a different state for something that simple. You're delusional if you think that's actually a possibility in the US.
>>35943723
>read yesterday on a online newspaper that many toothpastes contain Tryclosan
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triclosan
>weakness in mice even on small dosages
>muh grip strength
>check my toothpaste brand
>aaaand the gains are safe, wew!
>the article about this somehow vanishes after 1-2 hours in the archive...
>>35945950
>something like tren would never fucking happen
Nor should it, it's a fucking horse steroid that causes cardiac and pulmonary problems. It really isn't that hard to get prescription for testosterone, and if you're desperate, it's not that hard to crash your testosterone before you get tested
>>35945663
Well we have gym class, but its not like any type of real physical activity. Girl's dont wanna get sweaty since they have to go back to class, the guys go hard but its literally just a synonym for recess now. Gym class and fucking recess are the same thing. Nothing wrong with a break in the day,
BUT you dont do shit in gym!
>>35945540
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=42997
>>35945998
>Nor should it, it's a fucking horse steroid
That's not for you to decide. I guess you oppose all cosmetic medicine in that case, right? I have no doubt you oppose botox since it comes from a lethal toxin.
>The current system isn't broken bro, just cheat the test to get some testosterone
Wow.
>>35945208
>don't sleep for a few days
>eat no fat
>eat no protein
>eat just sugary normie shit
>down a couple of beer every day
>take test again
>waiting time is the hardest time.mov
>profit
>>35946032
>That's not for you to decide.
You're right, veterinarians decided it
No. Once they become legal, they would become a requirement for professional sports. Teams would literally be able to openly say, "You WILL take this substance, side effects be damned, or you're off the team."
>>35943693
I kind of don't want steroids to be legal because I don't want most people to be as big as me.
>>35944199
completely true. socialized medicine is cancer that makes the taxpayer suffer the cost of peoples bad choices.
if you roid your brain away, if you snort meth until you're a teethless wreck, if you smoke tobacco until your lungs collapse - bad fucking choice.
>>35946059
Being legal as in non-controlled substances in the country you live in is different than being legal as in within the rules of a particular sport. Do soccer players pick up the ball with their hands?
>>35944199
I'm ok with this.
>>35943919
Funny cause Doc Oz is definitely blasting something.
>insane amounts of estrogen in the water from mass use of birth control
>testosterone is the problem!
>>35943723
fucking this
>>35943693
you can pretty much do anything with your body as long as you
-have no health defects at the start and are otherwise healthy (rip zyzz)
-are under constant medical supervision
-dont OD
-are not retarded about it
-stop when it comes to problems
most people that roid only do the "are not retarded about it" part. and quite some dont make that.
really, the average person is absolutely retarded, and they are even more retarded when it comes to fitness. if roids are legalised, these persons will inflict long term damage on themselves, and society has to pay.
and, society does not want to pay for your ruined health because you wanted bigger biceps when you where in your mid 20s.
>its totally healthy
no it isn't. yes, side effects can be reduced by proper usage and counteracting them with meds, but they are never zero. the one thing that will happen (to those that are dumber more often then to those that are not, but it will happen if you do it long enough) is that your natural test levels crash. and they dont come back. so now society has to pay you test for the rest of your life. can you see why society does not want that?
not to mention gyno (quite a lot of people go to their gp when they get it to get threatment). or the more serious things (heart damage, kidney damage, liver damage, cancer.....) those are going to be expensive for society. why would they want to pay for the long term consequences of your big arms?
>but some guy in my gym uses them and is still alive
the damage is long term.
One of the aspects that should not be overlooked is the amount of crime people will commit because they are psychologically addicted or now need more steroids then ever to even compete in amateur sports.
>>35943964
>even cops use shitloads of test still.
and australian cops tend to smoke meth for recreational use rather then weed because meth is shorter in your urine. cops are not really any type of role model for health.
also cops have one of the few jobs where roids make sense, as they are 20x more likely to get into physical confrontations then they are to use their guns.
if I had to physically fight with criminals everyday, I would take test too.
>>35944311
You're very well spoken.
>>35946386
I assume you support banning alcohol, cigarettes, driving, and all unhealthy food as well then? It only makes sense logically since the entirety of your opposition boils down to health care costs.
>>35945090
Yes. Its pretty bad.
>>35943693
lol
Most ig roid shilling fags would be pissed if it became legal.
The supplement industry would shit bricks.
More money to be made off of it that way.
>>35943849
The body naturally produces them. It's addictive like water.
>>35947791
The simplest solution would be to tax the sale of steroids/weed/whatever to such an extent that the tax revenue raised covers whatever increase in healthcare costs arises from their legalisation.
For instance, in Australia tax revenue raised from the purchase of cigarettes pays for the health costs of smokers 17 times over and actually makes a net contribution to the national budget.
That way your personal freedoms are intact and you fulfill your obligation to society not to be a burden.
>>35943890
Wait a second there. Test is legal in México? Awww yiiiiisss
I think it should at least be regulated, because I don't want to increase my taxes because white trash retarded faggots fuck themselves up for real by totally abusing the steroids they know nothing about, and then need a lifetime of medical care that they can in no way afford.
>>35943995
Yeah but what you don't understand is what happens when someone tripping on meth gets in a car or is startled
>>35947791
>alcohol, cigarettes
yep
>driving
pretty sure driving is an econimical plus overall for society. accidents cost the healthcare, but otherwise, economy would collapse.
>unhealthy food
if you can tell me what this is.
I would count meat as an unhealthy food (carcinogen, causes weight gain even if controlled for calories, etc). on the other side people on thi board tell you that it is impossible to build any muscle without meat.
the definition of unhealthy food varies.
I would say that a society would profit if we cut out the ultrafats out of the health care system though.
>>35947868
Lol you must be retarded if you think steroids and water are comparable because they're both naturally produced by the body.
Dopamine is also naturally produced by the body. So using drugs to induce dopamine release to supraphysiological levels must be as addictive as water right?
>>35947892
you know that taking test sooner or later crashes test levels? that means your taxes better cover TRT for the rest of the persons life.
>hello, I would like to buy a testo cure 250mg for a month
>yeah ok that makes eleventhousand dollars 49 cents
>>35948266
You know that smoking sooner or later causes cancer?
And did you know that treating cancer is several orders of magnitude more expensive to treat than TRT?
Yet, smokers not only cover the cost of treatment but contribute well beyond it. So if it's possible for smoking then it's definitely possible for test.
>tfw wouldn't even take test if it was legal because terrified of premature balding
>>35947965
>I would say that a society would profit if we cut out the ultrafats out of the health care system though.
At least we agree on something.
>>35947892
I would fully support that option. Taxing to offset costs makes sense fiscally and morally, but prohibition is just restriction of liberties. Although taxing them to seventeen times the cost just seems punitive.
>>35943693
> Safer than vitamin c.
I'm calling bullshit. Also didn't read the article.
Is there a way to buy legal Mexican test online and ship it into Canada? That way I know I'm getting good product.
>>35948516
depends upon the steroid being used same with test suppression aka test shut down. liver problems come from oral use (methalated products) needle is still safer but there are to many pansy roiders who would fuck it up, also problems with liver can be worse or less depending up which steriod is being used DBOL is the safest steriod oraly liver wise but a ton of it converts to estrogen which has to be combated with estrogen blockers novladex, clomid, over the counter DIM(high fucking dose btw 1g or more) coming off the cycle with estrogen blockers both during and after cycle (same recovery time same usage 8week on 8week off) is a great way to prevent gyno and test suppression, NAC and milk thistle are for liver support but needs more research and should be stack for on and off cycle if taking orals. DBOL is on par with alchol use and im using it as an example due to that.
none the less low Test is worse for your health than high test... the problem is only the roiding sites know how to take it safely(most recommend the same dosage of all things listed) if we could find liver support, estrogen blocking and safe steriods to stack into one vitapak like pill for pharma to hand out with warining labels saying after a certain dosage your fucked, eat healthy fgt and drink tons of water queer then yes it would be safe, but i wouldnt make it a solo legal roids muh gains without the rest of the picture implemented.
>>35950066
>expecting a Mexican product to be good
Man, if it's not food or tequila coming from Mexico, then it's not gonna be good.
>>35945247
Look up the meaning of "negative externalities" and how it relates to the regulation of drugs.
>>35943723
The only way to deal with a pussified world is to become so absolutely alpha that your entire existence is an act of alpha manliness.
>>35944143
>Fact: The majority of people who use steroids are fucking lowlife inbred retards who have no fucking clue whatsoever what they're doing, and don't care either, and do it for all the wrong reasons.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-steroid-users-idUSCOL17558920071121
>On average, the study found, steroid users were 31 years old, and three quarters were college graduates. Most had "white-collar" jobs and relatively high incomes.
Oh look, an anti-enhancement shitposter was wrong, who's shocked?
>>35945336
Benoit was addressed in the article he linked, maybe you should read it
>>35943693
>what is "legal"?
>>35951088
The majority of users are pathetic imbeciles who need to alter their body's biochemistry in order to achieve what they consider is "greatness" because they can't stand out with any other merit other than willingness to pin. That's pretty established. Stereotypes exist for a reason. I know fucking juicer fags will argue that, but I discard the opinion of any dumbfuck who's just too lazy to train and uses substances to feel better about himself anyway. If you think about it, that extra test is the equivalent of putting implants in your arms to make 'em look bigger. It's exactly the same thing. You still gotta go through surgery and grit your teeth through some pain. But you get something that's not yours.
>should chemical compounds which can make men sterile be legal
Uhuh. A lot of room for debate.
>>35951284
Oh, you're one of those people who think guys on roids don't train. That was close, I almost took your opinion seriously.
>>35951348
Skinnyfats train too, and look at em, repping that one plate on the bench. Whether you take synthetic test or you pump your arms full of synthol, you're a faggot. One's just more socially acceptable.
>>35951284
doesnt make sense becuase you have to workout even harder and longer to achieve the body you wanted
take 1 andro for example legal btw
effective dossage 300-600mg
often sold at 150mg
so not working out and would elicit 5lbs of muscle growth in 8 weeks at 300mg
if you worked out you would get 8-10lbs of muscle growth
why waste 100$ on an effective dose to get 5lbs of muscle growth when you could be getting 10lbs
if you took 150mg you with working out you could see 4lbs of muscle growth which is great even if your workout sucks for those 8 weeks
its expensive as fuck to get a dosage high
enough to guarantee sterility and even then you can protect yourself from that
learn the endocrine system
>>35943861
The Iron Church sounds better.
>"The world seeks to hold you down. Do you wish to see your true strength and cast off the yoke of the many and weak, brother?"
>>35951439
Are we talking about the same species? Homo sapiens? The ones who can't handle alcohol, who die in bizarre accidents related to alcohol, drive drunk, who are prevalently obese or out of shape and use marijuana while vehemently arguing againts its long term effects? You think if anabolics were sold where you bought your groceries people wouldn't misuse them? Surely you can't think that. And while I think that if you're stupid enough to be sterile without saving sperm while juicing you don't deserve offspring anyways, you can see why they shouldn't be legal. It's glaringly obvious.
And you can create a tremendous body without using anything. Developing yourself physically also builds you up mentally. It shows dedication and character. Not everyone who juices looks good, but that's because they're just that dumb. Anyone can be jacked on the juice. It levels the field. Dimishes my accomplishments, for example, when I'm compared against some homo who put half the time in to get the same results.
>>35951645
well i forget that people dont give enough shit to read in this day in age idealy people arent that dumb but i understand why they are >>35950804
its why i suggested a system like this that way it reduces the effects like warining labels(not that effective btw) on cigarettes have helped reduce the use of tobacco in the west.
hmmm considering retardedness of average people we should reconsider this legality part in a way that basicly has you go to walgreens, fill out a slip of paper medicaly saying you know the risks and have talked to your doctor about it and then you get it, as a mean of deterrence for those who dont know what there getting into or only know roiding memes or some shit like that so atleast that way there aware 100% of what there going to do plus they can get the right mix of stuff to prevent side effects over the counter would be a mistake so ill give you that
>>35943693
So, I don't give a fuck about the article, but where are their sources? Scrolled through the whole thing and didn't see a single cite or link.
>>35951803
Everyone knows that drinking too much gives you slow reactions and makes you drowsy and that you can overdose on drugs but they still die in droves. Don't think juicing would be any different. I wouldn't say they're exactly equivalent, but juicing yourself to a good looking body is in my mind similar to the flat chick that got implants. She's still the insecure girl beneath the silicone. She's been insecure for years and never grew up to the point where she realized she could just exercise and have a great body and it won't better. She'll just flaunt her implants and delude herself she's better for it.
... Then again, I'm one of those people who hate weaklings and think men who can't fight are pathetic, so there goes my credibility. I know better than to preach about "what makes a man" to internet strangers. Juice away. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you because it's the easier way.
>>35951890
>and it won't matter*
>>35943723
Yams?
>>35951820
>closed grip
