How to maximize natural testosterone levels?
I hear lifting increases test, but which lifts?
Obviously there's:
>Vitamint D
>Zinc
>eat healthy fats in proper amounts
>avoid excessive/extended cardio
But what else?
All the above, but Cholesterol is the most important.
>>35576456
Which you don't have to consume through diet since your body endogenously produces all the cholesterol you need.
>>35576687
You honestly believe your body produces THAT much?
Maca, fresh ginger and garlic.
>>35576749
>believe
No, I know. It's called a scientific fact.
>>35576016
>don't drink/eat stuff from plastic containers
>eat eggs
>avoid soy
>avoid beer
>don't get stressed
>don't be fat
>don't consume too much sugar
>sleep plenty
look diet is important and shit, but if you want a quick fix, and i mean really quick you'll notice the changes - just stop masturbating.
Try going 7~ without masturbating (no edging aswell) and tell me you dont feel stronger/more confident
>>35577311
>>don't drink/eat stuff from plastic containers
why not?
>>35577742
Ayyy
Everytiem
>>35578441
Don't have time to search that now so you will have to do the rest yourself, but there are multiple types of plastic used in food industry. Obviously, most manufacturers use the cheapest type, that leaks shit that promotes estrogen production. It is amplified if you use the container multiple times, expose it to heat or cold and shit like that. Check marking on your bottles and stuff if you want to reuse it.
>>35577254
Post evidence.
Does Nofap works or is just broscience?
>>35576016
magnesium
>http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0084877
Eat probiotics, get bigger balls, get higher test levels
>>35578849
http://themedicalbiochemistrypage.org/cholesterol.php#synthesis
>>35579013
it is broscience, noporn is a meme as well. A few ejaculations per week are healthy.
>>35576016
>cardio kills testosterone levels
LOLWHUT
Let me tell you something: Your testosterone levels will NOT vary much by following religiously all these things you say without the slightest mistake, you won't notice anything and besides it's hard as hell to follow.
>>35579596
It's not broscience. Bottom line: it motivates the majority of people. There's no preworkout like abstinence
>>35579610
breh I also try to fap the least I can, it makes me feel better, less tired and more active.
It doesn't mean it will increase my testosterone levels though
>>35579596
>>35579013
studies actually show that after 7 days of no ejaculation the body produces a lot of testosterone. however it lasts only for a day. I guess nofap in 8 days would work.
Also, ejaculation drains the body of testosterone and minerals like zink. so I'd say no fap is a good thing
>>35578441
Plastics mimic estrogen in your body and small amounts can get in your food.
There was a section on bodybuilding.com regarding this, I cba to link it. The gist of it was:
>take ZMA (zinc, magnesium, and something else)
>get plenty of sleep, at least 7 years
>good fat consumption
Other stuff including heavy compounding lifting and one that I hadn't heard before which was limiting you gym workout time to one hour. Supposedly after one hour your testosterone levels drop and cortisol levels spike.
>>35579693
included compound lifts*
>>35579693
ZMA doesn't increase testosterone unless you're deficient in zinc, magnesium, or b-6. But it sure as fuck gives you weird dreams. I take it for better sleep but the dreams can get crazy. I had a dream I was peeling the skin off my face the other night.
>>35579693
>get plenty of sleep, at least 7 years
damn i dont sleep enough
>>35579693
>Supposedly after one hour your testosterone levels drop and cortisol levels spike.
Bro science. Doesn't make enough of a difference to matter long term.
>>35579657
This is bullshit being spread by idiots who have no idea how to actually interpret studies.
>>35579718
Have you noticed any testosterone-related effects?
>>35579909
No. There are no supplements that raise testosterone. Why are you so worried about it anyway? If your test levels are within the normal range, you don't have to worry. It only matters when they're above or below the normal range. If your levels are 450ng/dl and someone elses are 800ng/dl, the guy with 800ng/dl isn't going to build more muscle than you.
>>35579657
IT has also been proved that testosterone levels get lower after an ejaculation, and return to normal soon after.
no fap is only a meme, accept it
>>35579969
what about growing a beard
>>35579979
depends on genetics.
>>35580008
doesn't it depend on test levels?
same with body hair
>>35580028
Nope.
>>35579693
>7 years of sleep
Fuck that explains my nogains
>>35580046
how do you know if you have low or high test without blood work if you can't look at beard/body hair?
>>35579596
LOLWUT
Why are you talking about religious following?
There was little to no zeal in my original post.
Also, marathon runners have objectively lower test than sprinters/lifters. This would lead us to believe there is a correlation. There's no opinion for your to have about this objective correlation.
You sound like you need several beers and a nice fap to calm yourself down, my friend :^)
>>35579693
>tfw you only manage to get 6 years of sleep
>>35579969
>If your levels are 450ng/dl and someone elses are 800ng/dl, the guy with 800ng/dl isn't going to build more muscle than you.
Yes he is
>>35579969
>If your levels are 450ng/dl and someone elses are 800ng/dl, the guy with 800ng/dl isn't going to build more muscle than you
What the fuck did I just read?
If you're already lifting and your diet isn't absolute shit, you wont raise your total test any higher. Any supplement or anything you do other than that is transient and wont increase your total test levels. If you want to have higher test, you need to find somewhere to get that good shit and start injecting.
>>35579657
I was told about that study; that yes you get a slight boost in test. Will it be enough for a significant increase in performance? Probably not. But I haven't sat down to examine it in awhile.
>>35579693
>get plenty of sleep, at least 7 years
>at least 7 years
>>35576016
>tfw took a break from lifting
>got lethargic, foggy headed, no motivation, have to fap to weird shit
>get back into gym
>feel like a lion
>go home and bust a massive nut to softcore babes
I'm afraid of if I ever get injured or sick for a long time I'll go nuts cause I won't have that sweet test flowing.
>>35579693
>not getting 8 years sleep after a workout for maximum gains
Fucking dyel
>>35576016
SLEEP
>>35576016
EHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T FORGET MAGNESIUM IF YOU TAKE HIGH DOSES OF THE D. ALSO COPPER. IF YOU TAKE A SHITLOAD OF D AND EAT A LOT OF DAIRY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BAD TIME.
t. SHIT ROCKS AFTER NOT SHITTING FOR A WEEK
5k iu daily is okay, but make sure you get some psyllium husk and mag in there
>>35579969
>>35580477
>>35580943
yeah obviously the testosterone has an effect even on the normal ranges but the difference is unsubstantial to the point that it won't make that much of a difference at all
>>35580329
You don't..
>>35581055
IIRC there was that one Chinese study but no other sources.
>>35579693
>>35579743
Actually, limiting workout length will be better for the novice/intermediate
>>35579693
>tfw last night's sleep was only 5 years
>>35578441
What the Anons are referring to specifically is bottled water and flavored beverages.
Milk has to be kept cooled at all times and so do a lot of other drinks, therefore the plastic doesn't sweat.
However bottled water can go weeks sitting in a storage area in blazing heat just waiting to be shipped, same for most flavored drinks that don't easily spoil. Plastic traces and Oil leaks into the drink and gets into your system.
Especially for bottled water since it can be set out for months and months.
>>35583698
That's a cool chart
What about that tribulus terrestris stuff?
Does it work?
>>35577311
>>avoid soy
Cant find it but there was a meta-analysis that said soy doesnt harm test levels. It make actually slightly lower estrogen levels too which is desirable, IIRC. Not 100% sure though
>>35584002
Anon there are about 50 hits on Google that say otherwise all from professional body builder and doctors, with citations.
Soy in small doses (meal supplementing) is fine. You want to have a soy lunch, go for it.
People who think it's a miracle cure and replace everything with soy have a testosterone drop.
It's mom logic, your mom tells you to grow big you need to eat lots of fruit and than you get insanely high blood sugar because all you eat is fucking fruit.
Soy is not safe to eat in large doses and can not be eaten every meal.
>>35584044
I trust Pubmed a little more than google hits from bodybuilders
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224
Link the hits with doctors and citations, maybe there's another meta-analysis more recent than 2009 that I'm unaware of
Although I totally agree excess soy is bad- but you'd have to eat pounds of it to happen. Plus I'd be way more worried about hormones in milk or meat or whatever than soy
>>35584044
>>35584086
Checked around and it seems like the agreement is that only very high intake of soy could potentially have any effect. I guess you'd have to make a judgement call yourself
some good links i found:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22066824
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17908338
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17585029
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20378106
>>35581293
You type like a crazy person but what you say is true
so why does test make your dick bigger but people say roids makes your dick smaller?
>i managed to get 7 years of sleep
>>35584086
see
>>35584123
It's for people who try to place soy in every single meal.
I even said it in my post and the other anon agrees with me.
It's not meant to completely replace your meals. Which is what most men use it as.
Soy milk in particular because most body builders drink so much of it.
>But what else?
Acquire 1000s of pounds of bulls testes & distill and inject the natty test from them
It's how our lord and savor scooby stays Au Naturel
Those were both me actually, continuing my point. I was not aware people tried to replace entire meals all with soy. You could drink plenty of soy milk and eat tofu every day and not have any side effects but if people are replacing their meals with it, I agree it could harm testosterone
>>35584150
>>35584150
Steroids do not effect the male penis in any way, they can actually help battle ED from testicles that are underproducing testosterone.
Steroids can and eventually will make your balls get smaller though.
Your testicles develop testosterone to fuel our adrenaline and physical prone natures. If you replace this with outside testosterone, the brain will tell the testicles that it's test levels are adequate and not to produce anymore. Over time the testicles stop functioning much like they do with old age.
Patients who only have one testicle for instance could be put on test boosters, but should only be put on a low dosage to help the body compensate. Patients with both testicles not functioning should be put on the average male numbers for their age and see how it goes from there.
>>35584216
meant for
>>35584184
>>35584226
I get you Anon and yeah some vegans I know tried this shit.
Like every meal soy milk, soy steak blah blah
next meal soy burger just every meal had soy in it all the time and as I said before the biggest one is soy milk. It's just liquid concentrate of the stuff.
The reason why most people see a test increase at first is because of lowering body fat in general, which is always good for increasing test.
It would be better if they switched to that Almond milk and used soy as their meat substitute only.
>>35581304
>yeah obviously the testosterone has an effect even on the normal ranges but the difference is unsubstantial to the point that it won't make that much of a difference at all
But that's wrong.
Response to Test is log-linear, i.e. 450ng/dl vs 900ng/dl is the same difference as 900ng/dl vs. 1800ng/dl
>>35583783
what if your milk comes in plastic bags?
>>35579657
No fap is a meme for idiots.
If your semen contained that much testosterone, then you could just harvest it for gains.
And women would have virilisation and other side effects like they do from transdermal testosterone cream rubbing off from their partners onto them.
Jfc.
Testosterone concentration in semen is less than 1/10th of testosterone concentration in blood of a good natty level, and there's a fuck tonne more blood in your system than the size of your load.
>>35576016
Compound lifts aka deadlift, squats, military press, bench press, rows; heavy weight, low reps; healthy diet with plenty of healthy fats aka monounsaturated fats, plenty of meat, green veggies, cruciferous veggies, do sprints or some sort of HIIT, engage in contact sports, plenty of sleep, have sex regularly, don't be in a relationship, reduce stress
>>3558469
Arent there studies showing that no fap for a week increases test levels?
http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/241253-testosterone-levels-spike-7-days-after-abstaining-from-masturbation/
>>35577311
The soy one is a meme
>>35577311
>avoid beer
THEN HOW DO I SLEEP?
How much magnesium do I need if I'm on 5,000 IUs of Vit D a day?
>>35576016
Eat a Brazil Nut or two every day.
>>35579693
> only slept 5 hours last night
> bodybuilding.com™ recommends 7 years
> tfw enjoying my no gains
I used to be able to fuck for hours, like easy over an hour up to 2. I hit mid 23 and then *poof* 5 mins if I'm lucky. Got 1 test shot, back up there again. Clearly it has some good effects.
Compound lifts and high volume increases test.
>>35577742
7 minutes, K...I'll see if I can hold out
