What is wrong with improving yourself for a woman?
>>35464012
feels like to much work to reply to this question
>>35464045
Don't ever fucking reply to me again unless you're contributing to the thread.
>>35464045
I'm not baiting. I'm honestly curious. I don't know if it's a fox and grapes thing in which people have only worked on their fitness and not improving other aspects of themselves and consequently still can't get a girl and then tell themselves they weren't lifting for girls.
>>35464012
Shouldn't be for *a* woman as that would mean acknowledging your low status. Do not do that.
Improving yourself for women in the plural sense is entirely acceptable as most of the guys here are doing that in some way or another. It's our biological imperative.
Improve yourself, but think less of *one* girl and more about you, narcissism is your best friend when it comes to improving YOU
Just my two cents and it worked out pretty well for me, had a 7/10 and 9/10 that used to be friends turn on each other and destroy their friendship because they were fighting over me.
You are the prize.
>>35464084
Man you got no chill
thinking you will attract worth wile women simply by improving your physical appearance but not working on your autismal as fuck manchild personality
it may work for sloots but even they get tiresome after a while
>>35464012
Because most of the time once they get a girl they're content with they start letting themselves go.
>>35464012
cuz it's common knowledge women are inferior to men in EVERY single way.
but you must live with your poor decisions!
>>35464172
this. also obsessing about diet and exercise and self image can and will drive you insane if you don't keep it in check.
>>35464172
>but not working on your autismal as fuck manchild personality
what can i do to fix my personality?
Because when the women is gone, then you will give it all up. The key is to do it all for yourself and you will never be let down.
Also doing shit for women means you are placing pussy on a pedestal.
>>35464291
be more sociable
talk to new people at work/school. Yes you're gonna fuck up and spill spaghetti at first but you just have to do it
>>35464012
Because if you've got that little willpower you'll five up sooner or later.
You should only improve yourself for yourself, not anybody else. Not even for your closest friends, or your family, and especially not for women.
Why not you may ask?
Only you can truly experience the benefits or your improvement. It's as simple as that.
Improving yourself for a particular woman is a terrible thing to do. Women come and go. Their are plenty of fish in the pond... The point is, the girl you are dating right now is most likely not the woman you will spend the rest of your life with. Relationships aren't forever. Dedicating your work for a temporary cause is madness.
>>35464012
>What is wrong with improving yourself for a SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOURSELF?
FTFY
It's called 'pandering', and it's about as beta-as-fuck and shallow as you can get.
>>35464012
Anon, the reason you don't improve yourself for a woman is because women have no idea what the fuck they want and your self worth should not need to be externally validated. You are the reason to improve yourself, you are a man and the natural leader, arbiter and protector of the tribe. Women need to attach to the idea of a man to give themselves grounding in something, not the other way around. That's why women can't stand the "nice guys", "nice guys" are actually guys who have no strong sense of identity and try to change themselves to please others.
Hone your skills and talents, constantly work to further your value and keep a focus on clear goals you have for yourself. Remember your goals and identity will never line up 100% with those around you and that's ok, stay in your lane and live your own life. Don't be a supporting character in someone elses.
When you become self-contained you become wayyy more confident and women become infinitely more attracted to you. Then it's a matter of finding one who matches up with you best. She will love you, revere you and stay with you.
It's fine for a beginner, because at the end of the day motivation is motivation.
Eventually you'll need to learn to lift for yourself as that's the best way to guarantee you stick with it for the years to come.
>>35464012
Nothing, honestly.
If you want to improve yourself for girls, then go for it.
>>35464120
Should've tried to make a 3some with the two girls instead. But anyway, good point with the plural thingy
>>35464884
Thanks for that anon.
i don't see the issue either. getting butthurt that a chick is out of your league is one of the easiest and most effective ways to motivate yourself from what i've seen. the only issue i can think of is if you're doing it from the wrong angle (in terms of motivation)
best ways to motivate yourself (ranked) in my experience
1. god & religious experiences
2. children/family
3. women
4. need (ex being poor or having extremely social status and desperately wanting to improve your situation)
5. self-hate
the bottom 2 are unhealthy and self-hate especially is dangerous, so definitely i think that should be avoided if possible
>>35465279
>improve yourself for girls
>girls
not one girl, but girls as in all qt3.14's.
Oneitis is a negative motivator
>>35465547
>Oneitis is a negative motivator
Yes this
>>35464190
I know for a FACT my daughter is better than 70% of you pathetic fags, ergo you're wrong.
>>35464012
You'll never be better than her.
Personally I feel anon that improving yourself for a woman is too one dimensional of us. If you workout or improve yourself solely for a women your implying that once you accomplish that goal you'll be ready to get a women which is kinda ridiculous when you think about it. Your saying to yourself that until you reach a certain point in your improvement your not good enough to score some hoes. Gauging when your good enough in anything is already hard, especially when it's subjective like how juicy you are, so in the end you just close yourself of from women, taking no chances because you don't think about it because your not at your "goal" yet or, unlikely on /fit/, you get a gf and you stop improving yourself and she dumps you because you got a gf and stopped working on yourself and got lazy.
>>35465737
this. don't let your body be your definining attribute. that's like the opposite of spirituality. are you self absorbed? are you kind? do you have other hobbies?
you have to find balance. putting all your eggs in the I'm getting swole to fuck chix basket will leave you dissapointed eventually. even if it does initially garner you more attention.
>>35464012
Because she can leave you whenever she feels like it. And if when that happens, what does all the work you've done really mean? Don't improve yourself for anyone but you and your goals, anon.
implying everything men do isn't on some level about attracting women.
Nothing. Just don't be surprised when she rejects you for the ugly rich dude anyway.
>>35465696
your daughter can take 70% of this cawk
>have fuck buddy
>we end up growing feelings for each other
>she says she doesn't wanna get hurt
>she calls things off
>we talk if she initiates text conversation
>if i initiate text conversation she doesn't ever reply
>all I want is for her to talk to me
I can lift all I want, can fuck any random sloot I want, but can't talk to the one I want.
>>35464884
10/10 screenshotted
>>35464317
/thread
>>35465696
Whoops, forgot her pic. She's dating this strapping young bull from the local football team, maybe if she keeps up the good behavior I'll get them their own house!
It's the definition of a beta faggot
>>35468218
what the fuck is up with black guys and fat white girls.
>>35468442
any white is a 10/10 to them.
>>35464120
>>35464190
>>35464404
>>35464884
>>35465522
>>35465737
ugh
>>35464368
This is funny because i serve in a Italian restaurant and one time i spilled spaghetti in front of a hot co worker that i later slept with.
>>35467036
b-but if you both have feelings...
>>35464012
Nothing, if you do improve. Just don't pretend it's going to work
>>35464208
Not OP, but reading this made me have a weird realization.. Recently I had to stop lifting for a week after two years no stop, and noticed I felt so much less self conscious and anxious about my body (which I dislike, manlet) and also more calm and reasonable. Also care less about what people and girls think abou me. It's like lifting keeps up the insecurities I have of my own body, and I try to do more and more to change but we all know that after a while there are diminishing returns. Sometimes I find myself thinking: why do I want to get stronger and stronger? When will I draw the line?
Furthermore, when I lift really heavy (for me) I have more paranoia in general, like I fear being stabbed in the cock (I'm a sick fuck idk but I have irrational fear about having damage to my genitals)
Can anyone relate?
>>35464012
They wouldn't do the same for you
>>35464084
Who hurt you, anon?
>>35464012
>having oneitis
SHIGGYDIGGY
>>35469979
>tfw i can't get over my oneitis
>it's been two years
why am i such a faggot
>>35464172
What is the gym equivalent of working on your autismal as fuck manchild personality?
>>35469999
checked, faggot
>>35469759
>stabbed in the cock
wtf m8
>>35469999
Average beta-male thought process, mate. She's not the prize, you are.
With the ever shrinking amount of men worldwide (what was it, like 51-52% of humans are female?), there's less of us than them. Use the idea of supply and demand; its a monopolistic competition, and as such, don't sell a shitty product. Act like Cartier, Versace, Prada, etcetera and make all your potential consumers jealous of those that have your product (you and your time, love, devotion, etcetera).
Make it so you don't want her; she wants you. For that to happen, improve your product and make it exclusive. If necessary, be more like an ethical egoist when it comes to the opposite sex, mate.
>>35470035
i know lol i have
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aichmophobia
>>35468486
here's your (You)
>>35464084
kek your such a faggot
>>35470019
reading /r/theredpill sidebar
>>35464012
dont improve yourself FOR a woman, find a woman that motivates you to improve yourself for YOU
but to be fair, my latest stint did start as working out 'for' her, but once i realized she just generally motivated me to be better, i was a lot more successful and happy. alot of it is mindset. dont do it for her, use her to help you do it for you.
>>35464012
because when you get one you will be disappointed
>>35464084
Seems like someone is roiding here, huh
>>35465799
>>35465737
>>35464884
i fucking wish i'd live in america, this shit, reading it in english is just on point what i've been doing lately. i feel that if i'd have some murrican gym bro he'd help me get big just for me to get big and not to get girls.
>>35470909
i had a girl that was just like that, motivated me to better myself for myself and now that she has left me, i don't know whether i should continue or not.
Nothing if you retain it after you break up. Most people just develop attachment issues i.e. woman arrested for calling ex 77000 times
But why wouldnt you want to change for yourself, you faggot?
>>35464012
cause your motivation stops once you get one?
isnt it obvious?
>>35468442
She's not fat. Young women with a little bit of extra meat are prime breeders
>>35464172
>if i simply learn to engage in witty and intellectually stimulating conversation there's no way i'll lose her to that 10/10 gym bod over there because "worth wile women" aren't shallow and can see my greater value despite my skinny fat body and ugly face
>>35464012
would she do it back?
>>35464084
>>35471670
Sounds like a genuinely caring gf. Why did she leave anon? Also continue working out to better yourself. I believe in you anon~kun were all gonna make it bro
>>35468442
Dey got dat ass doe
>>35468530
No. Fuck that. Don't touch that filthy bitch, she clearly wants nothing to do with you and forcing that shit to happen never ended well for anybody
>>35464012
A girl was the reason I decided to get /fit/.
I really liked a girl. I'm funny, confident, whatever, but I was fat as fuck. No matter what I did, she just wasn't into me. I don't blame her, she was hot and I wasn't. Thankfully I didn't orbit her, I just realized she wasn't into me and stopped contacting her but I decided to make sure that never happened in the future again.
Ironically she hit me up a year after I got fit, but I'm out of her league now, and currently have a much hotter girlfriend.
So yeah lifting for girls got me started, but you have to love this shit to make it man, you really really do.
You can't white knuckle this lifestyle, you can't just willpower through it all. You have to enjoy it. So whatever gets you into it is fine, and I think a lot of the newer guys on /fit/ are lifting for girls, that's OK to start. However, if you want to stay with it, you have to love the journey. I love everything about it. I fucking love to train more than anything, even sex. Hell I even like dieting and doing macros but I learned to love it all.
So tldr, yeah whatever gets you into it is fine, but eventually you have to love it for it's own sake.
>>35464084
>No one recognizes this one yet
Relish in the replies while they last
>>35464084
god I fucking love this
>>35467036
try to call her isntead of texting man
>>35471642
Come to corpus crispy, Texas and lift with me breh
>>35474568
Corpus Christi ?
lift for yourself
women are nothing
>>35464012
what happens when that woman leave you?
are you still trying for that woman
also for the obvious fact of doing some shit for someone else like that and even as grand such as a lifestyle change
do it for yourself
not so you can get girls but so you dont end up like that depressed 50 old mid life crisis having dad who wondered if he couldve
>>35464172
This
>>35465522
>religion
AHAHA
>>35464084
Ease off the juice
>>35468218
I'd cum in her ass. Nigger is flaccid.
>>35468442
Monkey likes pig.
>>35475108
>tips fedora
