Tell me why I shouldn't use steroids.
I am dissatisfied with the natty limit and with how long it takes to build a decent physique. Thinking about it makes me lose all of my motivation.
I don't want to make bodybuilding my main hobby and I don't want to wait 5 years just to build decent mass. I've wasted enough years being fat as it is.
Also how long would it take to reach what we consider "natty limit" with roids?
>>35392395
forgot to add
>pic related
These are the best of the professionals, have worked hard for probably 10 years, and probably used cocaine for cutting. Think about that. Their definition is great but the mass is disappointing imo.
well, post your body and how long you've been lifting.
The main problem with steroids is if you hop on them, there is no returning back. You will always feel like shit if you go back to natty
>>35392395
at least reach your half of limit natural you fatass
>>35392439
>there is no returning back. You will always feel like shit if you go back to natty
How? Why? This is the first time I've heard this.
>>35392395
So what, you've been lifting for 3 months now and don't want to put in enough time to get swole?
>>35392439
>well, post your body and how long you've been lifting.
I'm fat, there is nothing to post. OP pic should say more than enough.
>>35392441
Why?
>>35392457
Yes.
>>35392479
You do know you still have to lift often to get swole on roids?
It's not a magical "get ripped quick - the supplement the fitness industry does NOT want you to know"
You're a lazy asshole and it sounds like you'd fuck yourself up even more because you think steroids are just going to instantly give you your perfect body, that isn't the case if anything you need to work twice as hard to eat clean and train hard because if you don't you'll just look worse for it.
>>35392395
You sound like you don't even lift lmao
Post body for keks
Just don't lift, you have no hope anon, bye.
>>35392479
If you're fat and you jump on steroids you're going to ruin your body probably to a point of no return (because it sounds like you're lazy enough as it is)
>>35392507
>>35392501
>You do know you still have to lift often to get swole on roids?
I do know that, I'm not sure how you got the idea that I don't. I don't want to not lift hard I just want fast progress.
>>35392508
see>>35392479
>>35392517
Say I start roiding one year after lifting and dieting.
>>35392510
>I can't hold a conversation.
Ok. Anyone else?
>>35392395
>I am dissatisfied with the natty limit and with how long it takes to build a decent physique. Thinking about it makes me lose all of my motivation.
Never gonna make it. Go to /roid/ general for the idiot hugbox.
>>35392501
well on your average cycle you'd get more muscle just by sitting watching tv and eating trash food than you'd get by going to the gym natty and eating big
>>35392508
he doesn't lift, he just spends his days browsing 4chan and googling "natty limit" and "how big can you get natural" before he actually starts doing anything lmao
>>35392548
Just fuck off m8
Steroid users look like garbage, but you are garbage. I bet you've never worked hard to a giver anything in your life you lazy fatass.
>>35392454
because steroid gains are unreal. You can make more gains in one year roiding than 10 years natty. And if you begin roiding and stop, the majority of your roid gains will leave as well.
>>35392479
well, then you should at least get fit and learn how to train/eat properly. Do that for 2 years and then come back. If you're fat and roid, you're very likely to get bitch tits, and that's not even considering it will be like a waste of roids, since you don't know how to lift and eat.
Just getting from fat to skinny/fit will be huge for you and will literally change your life for the better. Who knows, maybe a very aesthetic man is hiding beneath all that fat :)
>>35392548
Lol you're such a faggot op, why are you posting here for confirmation? If you wanna do roids go ahead and do it, really not recommended but hey do what you want, no need to make it public. The point of not roiding right away is to get your diet and lifting on point which can take multiple years. Also being fat will make you pron to more sides since high bf causes more testosterone to aromatize into estrogen, you will get more man boobs than you started off with.
If you're fat, do DNP not steroids.
>>35392559
Which only works once - next time you'll need to up the dose for more growth and you'll lose what you've gained if you don't train. Unless you're willing to run stupid amounts year-round, over time the drug-free guy is gonna outgrow you.
Steroids are for gaining weight.
>>35392571
This is true but holds no relevance to the actual discussion.
>>35392573
No u.
>>35392596
>because steroid gains are unreal.
Yeah well ideally I'd reach my goal body and just maintain. I find over-roided professional bodybuilders' bodies (eg Angelov, Arnord) disgusting (personally, that is, for me, I don't mind that other people look like that).
>>35392627
wasn't that exactly what he wanted? quick results first and then either A) he'll keep lifting and keep most of his gains or B) he'll stop lifting and roiding and gets fat again C) he'll hop on some srs lifetime cycle, never lifts, stays in decent shape but dies at the age of 45 cause too many needles up the ass and pills down the throat
>>35392658
so what exactly is your goal body? There should be no reason to use steroids if your goal body is attainable naturally.
>>35392437
They were the best professionals of their time. Knowledge about nutrition and exercise, plus equipment, have advanced considerably since then. The natural limit is bigger now.
>>35392675
other than getting close to your goal body in 3-6 months instead of 3-6 years, also being able to enjoy lifting more and seeing the sick gains
>>35392395
>Also how long would it take to reach what we consider "natty limit" with roids?
12 months without exercise
8 taking walks twice a day
>>35392437
Bear in mind that they were not attempting to get as big as possible. They were strength performers first and bodybuilders second - and bodybuilding according to a fairly specific set of ideal proportions so whatever was least willing to grow would set their overall limit.
>>35392658
Disgusting? Says the fat guy who wants to take roids without ever having lifted? 4/10 man you had me
>>35392675
>so what exactly is your goal body?
pic related, maybe even less.
>There should be no reason to use steroids if your goal body is attainable naturally.
Time, Anon, as I've said before.
yo OP, this is a picture a chick took of me while I was sleeping. I asked her why and she told me it's because I'm very sexy. I may not look like much and I'm laying down so obviously my gains barely show, but this is just a reminder that you don't need to roid if your ultimate goal is getting more pussy.
>>35392719
>pic related, maybe even less.
Ok now looking back at it, no, definitely not less. Also I don't care much for abs.
>>35392719
that guy is on roids he just has shit programming (crossfit)
>>35392719
None of those girls are mpdg
>>35392728
>if your ultimate goal is getting more pussy.
It is not.
>>35392745
Yeah I know. I just keep using that pic because it represents my goal body really well.
>>35392759
>Effy
>not MPDG
cmon Anon
how old are you op? if you are old enough to make your own decisions then stop asking people
>>35392763
If you're this damn lazy, you're not achieving that goal body with or without gear.
>>35392728
why are you here, you don't lift or train anything.
>>35392395
I'm not gonna tell you not to do steroids.
If you want to be a lazy bitch and cheat go ahead and fucking do it
>>35392780
23, I'm doing what I want anyway, I just wanted to have an actual conversation about the cons of roiding. No such luck with that here I'm afraid.
Only irrelevant
>hurr durr lazy fatass
>>35392817
Bro do what you believe is right, you doing roids wont affect us anyway but in my opinion at least TRY to go natural for a while to see if you have the discipline, diet, and program, other wise you will just waste money. Yes there are cons just like any other drug, the question is, is your overall goal worth it, you said it wasnt for women, what else then? Are you gonna compete?
>>35392682
Nope. People say this, and they post no evidence at all. All research points to an adjusted ffmi of 25 being the natty limit.
I know it sounds compelling to think knowledge/equipment/etc change the game, but they only change the effectiveness of your programming, not your final potential. That is determined by your genetics. The natty limit is the point where your body refuses to maintain more lean mass. Using more effective equipment or exercises does nothing to move that, it is hormonal and genetic.
>>35392817
The cons are pretty much all health-related. If you don't care about those, and you don't seem to, there's fuck all aside from the slim chance of getting arrested.
>>35392817
>>35392817
The cons of roiding:
>You are fat and will have greater hormonal imbalance than usual because of it, likely resulting in bitch tits
>You will not achieve the results you want without hard work and, since you've not tested whether you can work hard or not, are likely wasting your money
Like some other guy said, it'd be better for you to use DNP to lose some weight first. What would be BEST for you is to invest in yourself by training yourself to have a work ethic, which will get you your goal body and improve literally every other aspect of your life as well.
But you're looking for people to pat you on the back and say "do what you want, the easy way will work" so go ahead and ignore this post to.
Thread closed.
>>35392395
>taking drugs that shrink your balls
>alpha as fuck
>>35392856
Just for me personally, I just want that goal body, other than that I'm lifting for strength, and, of course, we all lift at least a tiny bit for the pussy, no reason to lie, it's just not my main motivation.
Not going to compete maybe if I get really into sports I'll compete in some amateur MMA or boxing or even oly, or atleast join a federation, which is why I only plan on roiding for a while and then just maintaining. Roiding while in a federation/competing because then I'd actually feel like a /fraud/.
Btw if people ask I am going to admit to roiding, depends on the context too but yeah I'm the type of person to admit.
>>35392946
>Roiding while in a federation/competing * because then I'd actually feel like a /fraud/.
*is out of the question.
>>35392395
stop creating pointless threads and do whatever the fuck you want
>>35392946
Given that gear can have permanent effects, you're still a /fraud/ if you get off then compete.
>>35392817
>cons of roiding.
test shutdown, gyno, acne, depression, and more
And you're risking all this when you won't even put on muscle. I don't know a lot of roiders, but the people I know who did dbol or tren weren't mass monsters. In fact, a single cycle got them barely anything. If your diet, nutrition, and training aren't on point you won't gain significant muscle mass on roids - which is why you shouldn't cycle before you've actually lifted for a couple of years and know you will be dedicated and consistent. Otherwise you're just risking serious sides with long term consequences for no-gains.
That said, there was a guy on reddit who went bonkers with a bunch of compounds and put on something like 50lbs or muscle in 1 year after only lifting like a year natty (and he was still slightly under his natty limit). Everyone on the steroids sub thought he was out of his mind running so many compounds so quickly though, so even other juicers wouldn't condone those gains.
>>35392817
>be me fat never go to the gym
>shoot up roids while doing a god awful meme split
>my form is terrible and I have no idea what i'm doing
>grow a 19 inch right arm while my left is 14
>waste 1000s of dollars on chemicals that fuck up my body doing burpees and shit form curls
bait
>>35393047
shit this is some good quality bait
>>35392395
cause you arent a faggot who likes things jammed in his butt
cause you arent a bitch that wants an easy way out
cause you are a man
>>35392785
I'm still 5'11 200lbs on that pic...
if everyone here only posted pics with no pumps, no flexing, shit lighting and shit angle, you'd believe everyone is dyel. But think what you want, that's cool if boys like you don't think I'm cute :^)
>>35393108
your girlfriend said that becuase she made the mistake of fucking you, if she saw my body she'd leave you immediately be glad you don't live a 20 mile perimeter from me you fat mediocre shit
>>35393130
damn bro why are you so salty? post body tho
>>35393130
yeah, this girl that was my girlfriend for a whole year kept making the mistake to sleep with me almost every single day. Omg she's so stupid! XD
>>35393152
completely relaxed.
>>35393214
no wonder you're so insecure ;)
>>35393223
>>35393223
im not insecure I just think you look like shit I like to look down on nerds like you
flexed
your girlfriend is very mediocre looking btw.
>>35393214
>>35393249
Shiet nigga, height/ weight? cycled before?
>>35393249
post your gf then you angry manlet
ps: why do you hide your face breh ?
lmao
i love it when you fucks start fighting
keep going
i wanna see where this ends
>>35393261
moar pls
>>35393265
6'1 225 no cycle
>>35393269
ITT you next level mad
>>35393339
shit nigga qt asian gf as well, you are the definition of making it,
Do you see this Op, you dont need roids lmao
>>35393269
i hide my face because it's mediocre at best I work on my body I can't do anything about my face also I dont want to be recognized i posted my gf because all gooks look the same.
>>35393339
>babbys first flat asian gf
Come on, you can step it up a little mate
>>35393339
>6'1 225
no need to lie here brother, this is an anonymous board
>>35393339
Wtf how are you natty @ 6'1 225?
>>35393354
>Do you see this Op, you dont need roids lmao
>implying this Anon isn't roiding (maybe he isn't I don't care)
>implying my goal is pussy
>>35392895
Sources are where? Pretty sure someone got to 27 "naturally" not that long ago and everyone called roids despite how the androgen receptor areas were normal and the dude was black, likely genetically gifted from selective breeding.
The natty limit is not the same for you as it is for the next guy. It will vary a LITTLE from person to person and outside of 3 standard deviations you'll get into genetic anomalies, they do exist, you know.
>>35393369
Upside down woops
>>35393396
he claimed natty, and not just any pussy, ASIAN PUSSY, but in all seriousness i was just joking though.
>>35393387
I drink 2 gallons of water a day so subtract like 10 pounds for my real wieght though I have fat deposits in my legs and ass seems like all the fat goes there. only like 13% bf
>>35392395
what the fuck is the natty limit, looks like your excuse to me
>>35393406
alright well if you really are 6'1 225lbs, good job.
sorry about that shit face of yours though
To OP
you're looking for an easy way to a good physique, which is typical fatty mentality.
At what point did your obsession towards "looking muscular" started thinking about taking unnatural amounts of androgens? At which point do you start to desire something that is literally impossible for your body to achieve on its own?
Clear up your thoughts and find what your insecurity is/are. Juicy muscles will not make you a better man.
Also, taking roids is a bitch. As a former fatty you'll need aromasin to also stop your body from converting test to estrogen. Your body will be a hormonal rollercoaster, risking permanent thyroid damage (will leave you ruined for life), heart attacks from the higher blood pressure (androgens affect red platelet volume and you might have plaque buildup from your fat years), intestinal cancer (rip in piece) and modern research shows increased genetic disease risk in offspring.
Other sides include gyno, acne and hot breakouts but these are manageable if you do it right. Also, injecting once every 5 days scars muscles but small cycles will not be a problem.
One big down: test is a strong nootropic. It clears your head, makes you aggressive, horny and decisive. Test cures everything depression-related. You will feel like shit when you come off of it, therefore.
You'll need post cycle therapy for a month after your cycle, which also feels like shit and you better pray your body restarts normal hormonal function.
So all in all, PLEASE decide if all of this is fucking worth it, all this CRUDE approach to your body's internal chemistry, and make sure it's not just an insecurity in your head.
>>35393209
does her nose get bigger every time she tells a lie?
>>35393367
if that's your way of getting me to post another picture okay fine
she's got a nice rack for an asian girl and asians are my type unlike your ugly white girlfriend probably tat'd up.
>>35393249
oh god, those obliques
genetics was not kind to you anon
>these are the "9/10" gf's people brag about on /fit/
and this is what we call "bias".
>>35392501
Wtf is wrong with your body? It's a mess
>>35392719
>style
Cringe
>>35393577
no, her elbows do get pointier though
>>35393571
Best post in thread, thank you, and to the other Anons who actually contributed.
>>35393624
It changed since then, not much I'll be honest but it did. I'm constantly improving it and I have enough time until I'm able to dress like a normal person to figure it out. I probably should start browsing /fa/ again too.
Pic related, an even older version. Now this is *cringe*.
>>35393571
THISSSSSS
I want to add my two cents, though.
My first cycle I did when I was 205 pounds at 21% bodyfat. BIG MISTAKE.
Things were amazing the first week or two, but then my blood pressure skyrocketed. I was hitting 150/90 and 160/100. I was getting bad migrants and having to cut out all salt, lower my carbs, and pop aspirin like crazy, and that only helped marginally. And this was coming from someone with a constant 120/80 before the steroids.
I was only blasting 250mg testosterone cypionate a week. That's a SMALL cycle, even for a noob. Can you imagine how much worse it could have been if I was 25%+ bodyfat(which I'm guessing you are) or having bad blood pressure to start with? Or what if I was doing 500mg a week like most first timers? How much worse would it have been? Could I have had a stroke?
Thankfully having the right medication on hand and abandoning my cycle early I was able to take the time to drop down to a good 15% bodyfat and get my cardiovascular system in order before trying it again.
Get your shit together, and then the roids will amplify that hard work. They can't amplify laziness.
>>35393782
>>35393571
Yup, don't forget about the hair loss, if you are prone to it, you will get there a lot faster.
>>35392395
B-but my natty card...
Just read about it and be careful.
I have natty body and look like shit, absolutely no one can see a difference of a natty from roid user unless they are really serious about lifting, and from them half of them are roid users, and if the natty half, half of them look like shit.
I'm doing my first cycle just a soon as they fire me of my high rotation stressful job to make the better use of the roid ( because if I use Chem while sitting in my lazy ass, I will only have more than double than a natty training hard while I can have more than three times if I train)
Are you ready to pack 14 lbs of pure muscle in two months?
>>35392395
>>35392454
This is a lie. There's no signs of depression because people leaving roids
>>35392596
>roids gains dissappear
That's also untrue.
Unless you stop training altogether they keep, and even if you stop training and lose and come back in a year. You can recover the roid gains, even if you don't roid again.
And here's the source :
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1113/jphysiol.2013.264457/abstract
>>35393609
gonna guess, GH abuse..
im a medfag but dont know that much about roids..
do roids and enjoy your premature death
totally didnt happen to all those wrestlers that took steroids!
nope! it's safe cause you are different! :)
>>35393609
>your body
it's from bb, the kid probably had shit nutrition, shit routine and probably only progressed due to being on roids
>>35392395
You're focusing too much on the destination, rather than the journey. Also, you probably lift for vanity, rather than strength and health. Stop being an anxious lazy fuck and fucking lift.
Pic related. He's even bigger now and still natty
>>35394833
>You're focusing too much on the destination, rather than the journey.
that's the gayest thing I've read the whole day
>>35393400
Genetic anomolies =/= improvements due to new research/ equipment in lifting. In fact, the 25 ffmi-ers are already outliers, not the mean of a normal distribution of natty limits. Plus, normal distributions are used in science for convenience in hypothesis testing, not in modeling outliers at the tasks of the distribution. That's generally where assumptions about normality are likely to break down the most.
I don't know anything about what guy you are talking about, but I'm not about to trust some random because he said something about androgen receptors. Much more likely that he roids.
>>35392395
i dont know why ur going around the internet parading about it. if you want to do something do it u fuckin puss puss. I bet you're too much of a little bitch to do it anyway... go on prove me wrong!
>>35393579
asian chicks look like they have down syndrome. like 90% of them
>>35395025
Holy fucking shit i've retarded people and you.
Are you by any chance american?
that ignrance level isnt easy to reach holy shit, which kind of ignorance-enhance drug do you use? i cant believe thats possible natty!
Here, ill tell you a secret, people with down syndrome are also called mongoloid, BECAUSE THEY FUCKING LOOK LIKE MONGOLOIDS, I.E ASIANS. HOLY SHIT DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT A EPICHANTIC FOLD IS?
By the way asian girls are pretty much top tier girls, only behind mediterraneans.
>>35392501
Not OP, but could someone reach their natty limit on gear quickly, then reduce amount in successive cycles until clean and keep gains?
>>35395106
>then reduce amount in successive cycles until clean and keep gains?
What does this even mean? wtf
>>35395149
He meant to reduce the roid dosis until you are clean.
>>35392395
Bro take steroids if you want to, you'll get what you want to be happy much faster and they're very safe.
The only people who care are retards who believe taking androgens is somehow immoral when you're not competing in a professional sport.
>>35395149
Thought it was pretty clear. Wondering if this will work:
1. Use cycles of gear to reach level of muscular development that approximates what could be developed naturally, but in less time.
2. Reduce amount of gear in next several cycles to a minimal amount.
3. Quit all gear and keep gains.
>>35395220
Gonna be no difference between that and cycling off properly from the full dose. Either you know how to train/diet/etc drug-free to keep the mass or you don't.
>>35392395
>>35392457
>>35392479
> I want to use steroids
> Ive only lifted for 3 months
Why do we have this retards here? fuck off to /b or just just kill yourself. Landwhale is complaining about the natty limit when he doesnt even have any sort of muscle in the first place.
> mfw
>>35395220
I don't get it. Some people taper the dose at the end of a cycle, but that is outdated practice. Why would you go through PCT just to cycle back on but a lower dose? You need to read up more on how this works.
>>35395228
Thanks
As someone who has used steroids in the past, I know how you feel OP. Despite all the warnings, I went and did them when I was 18/19, couple of cycles.
I did make supreme gains, but in no way was it worth it. It fucked up my hormones bad, even following all correct procedures for estrogen management, PCT etc. It completely derailed not only my lifting, but my life for a long time. If you have never had something wrong with you, you feel you are invincible and that the rules dont apply to you. You dont know what having completely out of whack hormones feels like, so in your head you dont even register it as something to be worried about. It is living hell. The depression is absolutely crippling.
In my opinion, NO ONE who uses steroids then comes off doesnt suffer these effects to some degree.
Its now been years since I used gear, I am perfectly healthy again, but alas I am not the massive shredded bodybuilder I believed I was going to be as a teen. Other things took my interest, and I realized there are far better pursuits in life. I am happy with being fit, lean and somewhat muscular. In fact I love being natural. Having a chemical dependence in any way is severely unnatural. (inb4 everything is a chemical hurr durr)
>>35392395
>Tell me why I shouldn't use steroids.
It's not an accomplishment if you didn't do anything to earn it
>>35392395
i dont even give a fuck who roids. but im gonna tell you why youre a pussy just so everyone knows you know.
becoming shredded is about being the best person you can be. you find a new hobby, you find a goal, and you prove to yourself that you can get yourself there with dedication and hard work. while i personally dont give a fuck who cant be bothered to make that journey and who pusses out for things like winning competitions, nothing is more queer than those people claiming to be natty, or claiming to have "made it" and acting all smug.
if you dont have the willpower to become the best version of yourself you can be without aid, then go do roids.
>>35392395
>>35392437
you have the biggest piece of shit defeatest attitude possible, even with roiding you're not going to make it.
>>35395519
So being realistic is called being defeatist now. Ok m8, I'm sure your whishful thinking will help lots with those gains.
Roids arent magic. They're like a cheat code in a video game: yeah, you level up faster but you still gotta play the fucking game you dumbass.
Just fucking lift natty, and if you decide to go roid do it.
Remember the downsides tho. Mood swings, low testosterone once you stop, heart problems, the list goes on. It shaves some years off your life.
>>35395590
you're not being realistic here, sure you make faster gains in a sense but your attitude is "without roids theres no point in lifting."
That's a pretty retarded and unrealistic attitude.
>>35392548
>I do know that, I'm not sure how you got the idea that I don't. I don't want to not lift hard I just want fast progress.
Once a fat ass, always a fat ass.
>>35395642
ewwwwww wtf lmao
![delusional-300x236[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/oP3LkGf.png "delusional-300x236[1].png")
>>35395642
>fit-thick
>>35392395
As somebody who has taken gear. You won't look good doing it, because people like you think it's a magical "i don't need to do shit and i'll get yolked". You'll gain mass, yeah, but you'll look like shit. When you've truly plateaued, you know. You walk into the gym and outlift people twice your size. Then, and only then, should you get on gear.
>>35392454
He's wrong. If you taper off gear, dosage correctly and take the correct estrogen blockers, you will be back to normal and keep your gains. However, this also depends on what you used, how long you used it, and how heavily you used it. He's talking out his ass though.
>>35395642
>workout 5 days a week
ehehheh
>>35395801
>workout = eat pre-workout tootsie rolls and then celebrate your progress by eating dessert on the weekends.
>>35392479
Lmfao you think roids are magic? You're a filthy fuck with no drive or determination, all roids will give you is bigger butch tits than you already have and waste away your nutsack you haven't seen in years. It'll eat your heart away and you'll die. And I'm happy about that. Get the fuck off this board and get a grip, lazy fuck. You couldn't reach the natty limit with your disgusting attitude in the first place. Kill yourself.
>>35393261
C3Poh shiitt
>>35395776
There's a reason 99% of the advice is to stop, wait 2 weeks & PCT. No one has recommended "tapering off" instead of / before PCT except for maybe the 1970s. "Estrogen blockers" (AI) have nothing to do with jumpstarting your HPTA after a cycle. For that you need PCT. The fact you confuse PCT & AI shows you don't know shit.
>>35395599
So basically you watched that one broscience video & now you're qualified to give advice in roid threads?
>One big down: test is a strong nootropic. It clears your head, makes you aggressive, horny and decisive. Test cures everything depression-related. You will feel like shit when you come off of it, therefore.
Then why not go on for life? Isn't cycling a bioscience concept anyway? The only reason I'd go on other than the muscle gains is to completely cure my lifelong depression and I wouldn't want that to stop. It isn't like I do cycles of my fucking SSRIs.
Not OP
>20yo, 6months lifting, 160pds low bodyfat, 6ft
pic is goal body. I work hard but don't want to wait 3 years for that body. I want it sooner for several reasons even though I'd get it eventually
I want to do the lowest risk and most affordable option possible, I know nothing about roids/test/dieting and mainly just want to speed up the process of getting bigger while staying low bodyfat. The psychological benefits seem great too, should I use a low amount of test? only want to spend less than $400, that enough?
>>35399640
current body @ 6 months lifting no diet
>>35392395
>Tell me why I shouldn't use steroids.
If you train natty and get huge, you'll be huge even in your dreams. If you roid, you'll be a weakling in your dreams.
There should be literally no reason to take steroids unless you're a professional athlete, Olympian or competitor. Seeing how this is 4chan,you're more than likely to be a basement dweller.
>>35393571
>Thyroid damage will leave you ruined for life
Hey now I have a thyroid gland issue and while I have to take pills every day as long as I take them I'm pretty fine
Oh also I'm not fat from my low thyroid :^)
>>35395642
How can someone be so blind to their unattractiveness?
>>35398443
People do! In fact most of /fraud/ stays on. It's called blasting and cruising. You do a regular cycle say 500mg test for 12 weeks, then you drop down to like 200mg test and cruise there until your bloods are stable and you're ready to blast again.
>>35392454
Your natural testosterone levels will drop, as soon as you go off of roids you will become a sack of meat with mantitties. Also depression while ON steroids is a thing. Just don't lift bro
>>35400810
Sterons are good for you thought, they help you grow, help you recover faster, makes you stronger, faster
>>35401181
Yeah but you're cutting your life short by a good 20-30 years.
>>35392395
OP with your attitude you should give up lifting all together because with your mindset even if you were to go on roids you would still look mediocre because you don't have the mindset of a winner.
>>35393209
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