Daily reminder that 95% of you do half squats and quarter squats, not full squats.
Pic related is a real squat.
>>35348197
>squat depth is objective for everyone
>>35348197
bait/10
a full squat is until parallel and then back. anything deeper than that is impressive but not necessary
>>35348226
>telling the truth is now consider bait
lel.
>>35348197
I can't squat real low because the stupid power cage has a fixed safety rack and I'm not about to squat without safety.
> squat meme shoes
> knie wraps
> real squat
It's like saying that sumo deadlifts with a belt is a real deadlift.
>>35348226
>this is what powerlifters have to tel themselves.
Not it isn't, a full squat is going as deep as you can possibly go, like in the pic. If you're not doing that, you're not doing a full squat. You're still doing a squat, but not a full squat, rather a half squat or a quarter squat.
>>35348240
>thinks squat shoes are a meme.
Retard confirmed.
>>35348197
Daily reminder 95% of Oly lifters have serious joint problems when get older because of "full" squats.
>>35348237
When you squat like the above, you can easily drop the bar and it will roll off. You'll be fine.
If you do a powerlifting/layne norton type squat, then yes, you need a power rack.
>>35348277
Daily reminder a full squat is bio mechanically safer than a half squat/powerlifting squat. Daily reminder olympic lifting has less injuries than powerlifting and has a lower injury rate than the majority of sports.
>>35348197
If I squat properly low I can only do 345 for 5. If I squat below parallel but not properly low I can push 405 for a few. Haven't tried actual half squats in a long time but I'd say I can punch out a lot of weight above parallel, but there's no point in that.
All of this is high bar though, I don't do low bar.
>>35348291
That's just a fucking lie. Everyone who's ever done an ATG front squat knows the stress it puts on the knees.
Powerlifting has more injuries due to ego lifting and poorly regulated feds. Powerlifting is not a real sport because they can't get their shit together.
>>35348345
>everyone knows
No, it isn't a lie. ATG squats put less stress on the knees. With some short googling you could find that out. ''Everyone knows'' this meme because they're pussies and want an excuse not to do a full squat.
>>35348345
>With the same load configuration as in the deep squat, half and quarter squat training with comparatively supra-maximal loads will favour degenerative changes in the knee joints and spinal joints in the long term. Provided that technique is learned accurately under expert supervision and with progressive training loads, the deep squat presents an effective training exercise for protection against injuries and strengthening of the lower extremity. Contrary to commonly voiced concern, deep squats do not contribute increased risk of injury to passive tissues.
BTFO by a meta study of 164 scientific articles on the subject.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23821469
Now stop spreading lies.
>>35348379
>powerbomb to the bottom where the entire weight falls on your knees
>safer
kill yourself
>>35348389
>>35348401
see this, you retard.
>>35348389
If you're powerbombing, then you're even more of a retard than I originally though.
Correction this fag is going to wreck his knees. You never want to bend this far. A tiny bit less would be perfect. Just a tiny bit. You also get more bounce back from going all the way down like this.
>>35348401
you're so fucking dumb if you think the weight falls on the knees. pls kill urself.
>>35348449
shut up because you're clueless.
see
>>35348389
>>35348240
lol how frequently do you squat 200kg+ without knee wraps and how are your knees enjoying that experience
>>35348408
The thing is most people don't squat properly. Ego lifters just powerbomb to take advantage of the elastic effect.
>>35348197
>dat azn cutie in the background mirin
>just mirin
>not sneakin up to rim klokobrobro
>>35348497
So it's the fault of retards, it's not the fault of squatting to depth.
>>35348248
What do you "squat"?
>>35348389
>squatting to depth = muh ATG highbar
Fuck off
>>35348240
They're not 'squat shoes' they're weightlifting shoes
They're not wraps, they're just bandages and will give no extra kilos
>>35348197
bitch boy manlet with a tiny penis who thinks he's hot shit because he did a single ATG squat with 225 a little while ago detected.
frolic on back to the shire, frodo. nobody gives a shit.
>>35348345
You're wrong and should shut the fuck up
>>35348615
More than you. 465 5x5 as of today with about 1.5 years training.
>>35348667
Rekt
>>35348197
>bye bye knees
>>35348667
So, right below parallel equals max glute and quad EMG. Nobody is advocating half squats, we're saying there's no need to go nuts to socks, dumbass.
>>35348668
I believe you.
>>35348677
Are your comprehension skills really this bad? I never said you HAVE to squat atg like op said. I'm showing this know nothing that atg is safer in terms of 'pressure on the knees'.
>>35348197
Yeah those weightlifters squat crazy deep
>>35348737
Just ass to grass. All of them.
Parallel squats are the best. I do ATG to stretch my back but actually lifting hurts my hip that cannot naturally Squat that low. Previous injury.
>>35348747
Your hip hurts because you're tight as fuck in that region
>>35348745
I think we can all agree that all these guys are just BURYING these squats
>>35348766
Bastions of depth these lads are.
>>35348779
I could do this all day but I think we get the point.
>High bar
Keke
>>35348866
this
real men do front squats
>>35348784
>Finds a few specific exceptions in which the lifters are going for a huge 1rm and extrapolates a general rule
Kek
>>35348737
Quads touched calves. What more do you want? They're not competing in the squat.
>>35348927
>He thinks people who compete in weightlifting are cutting depth to get huge 1RMs in a back squat
>He thinks weightlifters goes for 1RMs in a squat
>>35348927
>>35348940
OP posted klokov squatting deep af saying only that is a real squat. I posted other elite WLers squatting to "parallel" just to show squatting to klokov depth isnt necessary. I could post every webm I have of WLers squatting and almost all of them are to about this depth.
If your hips don't go below your knees when you squat you probably are either a ego lifting half-repper or a immobile noob who never stretches
>>35348728
It's not. It's safer than halfsquatting, which literally nobody has said is good for your knees.
>>35348967
Olympic lifters squat through the range that helps them most in he classics. That depth varies from lifter to lifter
>>35348226
>parallel
>not ipf depth
kill yourself
>>35349103
Jesus you're dumb. Read the post the picture was in reply to. It specifically said atg is bad for your knees. I proved it isn't.
And if you're implying squatting to parallel is safer than atg you're also wrong. There are no shearing force on ligaments at atg whereas there are at parallel.
>>35348668
I believe you
>>35348197
I do high bar full depth squat as an acessory 3 x 8 on lower day (upper /lower split)
I'm still relatively new that's why I insist on staying lowbar as my main because muh ripptoe I'll eventually I'll switch for good but now is not the time yet
>>35349204
It literally is bad for your knees to go literally ass to grass. You're going well beyond 135 degrees when your calves and hamstrings are pushing against each other.
>>35348668
lol
>>35348668
I believe you
>>35348684
>>35349225
>>35350694
Don't be mad because you're weak.
>>35348505
That's his wife, I'm sure they do that in private.
>>35350743
no it's not, dumbass.
>>35349017
It's wierd I never do stretches and I can do klokov squats. Must just be a limber fellow.
>>35348226
It's amazing how you can spot a fat fuck based just on his opinion.
Only fags care about muh ATG 100kg squats. Powerlifters don't give a shit, and any respectable weightlifter certainly isn't going to judge you for going below parallel as well.
>>35348389
>citing pubmed and only reading the first few sentences of the abstract
Nigger, the abstract didn't even define what full, half and quarter squats are. For all we know, they could define full squats as just below parallel. People like you who misinterpret science are the worst
>>35348197
>real squat
>snap city
no thanks
Fuck fi you wanna be a bodybuilder who cares about atg you'll do accesories anyways squats are just the foundation and for that ''half-squats'' are more than enough.
>>35348226
>bait/10
most losers on here have never used knee wraps and wouldnt know that
if you hit klokov's depth without
wraps you're knee caps would blow off into the wall in front of you.
Let's see Klokov doing that low-bar for lowerback break gainz.
>>35351289
I do ATG because they're easier on my knees.
>>35348218
>>35351341
No they wouldn't, don't be dumb. I squat to that depth every time I squat.
>>35351355
You do atg because you want a bubblegum butt for your bf you faggot
>>35348218
yea, it pretty much is.
when your glutes touch your heels, you are at depth.
>>35348240
you can hit depth without those shoes but uh.... if you think they nullify squatting to depth then you are confirmed for retarded.
>>35348345
>Everyone who's ever done an ATG front squat knows the stress it puts on the knees.
bullshit.
i do ATG regularly, and as long as there is no knee cave, and no forward knee-travel past your foot, it is less stressful on your knees than half-squatting.
if you can prevent knees traveling past midfoot, there is fucking NO stress on the knees what-so-ever, but generally you can only do that with front squats.
back squats require a bit more forward lean to prevent tumbling back.
>>35348389
Can you uploaded the paper?
I'd be interested in what it actually says, but I don't have access through my university.
>>35351450
>thinking ATG targets glutes more
nopeasfuck/10
bret contreras is disappointed in your faggotry.
ITT
>>35351482
I just wanted to call you a faggot you faggot
>>35351450
>not wanting a bubblegum butt for your bf
what are you, straight?
>>35348197
I was borned with a right club foot and had surgery three times to fix it, so could not squat past knee height because of absolutely no ankle mobility/flexibility. It's all scarred tissue and bone so mobility and yoga exercises did not help at all.
A couple months ago I started squatting with my right foot ankle on a small pl8, now I can go ass to grass, jesus it feels so good. My squat will always look weird and week compared to my stats, but that are the cards I got.
Thanks to the anons who gave me the idea on a qtddtot, thanks a lot. I love you all you racist autistic faggots pieces of shit
>>35350676
Don't be mad because you're weak and have shit genetics.
>>35351045
It's amazing how you can spot someone who's been training for less than a year based just on his opinion.
>>35350703
Supermong turn your trip back on
>>35351458
>ATG
>no forward knee-travel past your foot
Pick absolutely one and only one. Forward knee travel isn't even bad. I squat low-bar and my knees come forward a ton.
>>35351634
You're still weak, faggot.
>>35351512
>if you use proper form, you must also squat babby weight
i squat more than you do, and i do it to depth.
i would shame you IRL, if normies saw us squatting.
>>35351658
do i need to take a video of me ATG squatting without any forward knee travel past-midfoot?
even without oly shoes?
because i can do it... i just don't know how to turn said vid into webm
>>35351956
ok without oly shoes i go slightly past mid-foot, but only barely, and still far as fuck from going as far forward as my toes.
>>35351956
Just upload it to YouTube.
>>35351956
I would actually love to see it, because I can't really wrap my head around the biomechanics that might allow a person to truly go ATG with minimal knee travel.
>>35348197
short ppl are closer to the ground, fuck off manlets
>>35348197
A full squat is squatting as low as you can with good spinal curvature. It varies from person to person.
>>35351581
Please buy weightlifting shoes!
i'm the same as you, broke my left ankle playing rugby and when it finally healed up i had no mobility even with 3months of PT and rehab.
i settled for only front squatting as i could actually hit good depth without pain, even got up to 320#, higher than my backsquat
i got a pair of adipowers for sale at a huge discount, like $90 instead of $200 and suddenly i could back squat again.
doesn't have to be adipowers, any oly shoe with a good raised heels will do.
>>35348658
It's like you can see the fat oozing from your post
>>35351512
How much do you squat goyim?
>>35351581
Did you try foam rolling with a foam roller and a lacrosse ball?
>>35352091
Thanks a lot for the advice bro, I'm saving to buy ones very soon, till then I'll seek other ways to raise my heel
>>35351482
Yes because squatting quarter reps activates the glutes just as much as ATG squats.
Fucking cancer. Get the fuck off this board. Why is this board full of retards?
>>35352121
It was part of my rehab and done it my entire life kek
>>35352139
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpgmQmdMfe0
>>35352162
The SJW of weightlifting. Just what we need.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLVJTBZtiuw
>>35352139
>>35352162
>>35352181
2pl8 olyboos back to your containment thread
>>35352205
>2pl8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0bscxMoU6o
You were saying?
>>35352181
It's funny that the woman is (half-)squatting more weight than any of the oly squatters. Ultimately, these are all cherrypicked. You can find oly lifters not squatting ATG (as seen in >>35348737 +) and powerlifters going very deep. Although ATG is not necessary in PL, so there is no point in going that low since you won't be able to lift as much weight.
>>35352162
>>35352181
How can someone watch these and still think their half squats are as good as full deep squats?
Deep atg squats are for true patricians and half squats are for shithead plebians.
>>35352238
>thinks 315 is impressive
m-my dick isn't four inches, it's four and a half!
>>35352278
Yeah and you should pause all your reps too
>>35352281
>proven to be wrong
>implying that's a PR
kek. Let the butthurt flow through you.
>>35352295
Ignore that. The angle is shit, I can't tell anything about the depth.
>>35352295
It's not quite ATG, but it's definitely below parallel. My hamstrings and calves touch.
I'll upload a different angle some other time.
>>35352295
It isn't he should go lower and pause. Also looks like he could let his knees go forward just a hair as seen in the op's pic. I would suggest for this guy to try front squats and learn to have a more upright torso for high bar.
>>35352294
Agreed
>>35352306
If you hit mid 400s I'd be approaching moderately impressed. There are 163 dudes in /plg/ squatting those weights, 315 for one (1) rep is literally just past complete noob. Good job for getting there, but you've got a long long way to go.
>>35348784
>>35348779
>>35348766
>>35348745
>>35348737
nigger next time you load up 250+ kilos please take a video of it and let us watch it
>>35348197
>tfw can't do high bar atg safely without oly shoes
atg on chucks is dangerous, mates. Unless you're some hyper flexible super human, its not safe for your back. Low bar can't even do atg anyways.
>>35352388
I do ATG squats with just squats on.
Improve your mobility nigger.
>>35352381
Well, according to OP, these would all be half-squats.
And the amount of weight should not negate depth.
>>35352347
Let's see your squats buddy.
Nah I prefer my half squats in a suit
>>35352347
Except I wasn't squatting to impress basement dwellers of /fit/. If you read the title of the video then you would know it was a form check, hence I only did it for one rep.
>>35352449
is that considered depth?
>>35352489
The line at the bottom of his upper leg is parallel to the ground, so yes :^)
>>35352449
thats pretty shitty actually
>>35352489
Not even close.
And it's still doing this to my leg.
Dunno where I'm going to find the next four inches
>>35352517
Yup.
>>35352561
That's what you get for falling for the low bar "squat" meme. Reading SS really paid off, huh?
>>35352561
the hell causes that rashy shit?
What to do if I can't go as down as in OP's picture without weight? I squat as far down with weight as I can without, slightly below parallel
>>35348226
That's quality bait
>>35352561
That can't be good for you.
>>35348908
low bar*
last time i trained legs i did 3 plate 10 second pause atg as i couldn't be fucked with reps anyhow
going atg is true squat, anything else is half squat or quarter squat, don't give a fuck what any powerlifting federation says (and i mainly train for powerlifting kek).
too many dyel giving their shite opinions in this thread - to any faggot doubting me, i literally have people asking me how the fuck i get that low and complimenting me on my depth every time i squat. deal wid it u little bitchs
>>35353357
I'm pretty sure anyone who hates on atg has shit form and going any lower will make them have to reduce weight. I used to half squat when I started. Then when I got really into weightlifting I started doing atg squats with good form and had to lower the weight a lot to do them.
>>35353357
>and i mainly train for powerlifting kek).
>purposefully using a form that steals kgs from his squat
>hating on dyels who gives out opinions, while being a dyel who gives out opinions
>thinking anyone gives a shit
>>35353420
>stealing kgs from his squat
not a squat if it ain't atg, so how am i stealing kgs? dipshit
>hating on dyel who give out their opinions
shite opinions
>whilst being a dyel who gives out his own opinions
100kg press, 150kg bench, 180kg squat, 210kg dead with two herniated discs - i am dyel, but my opinions are GOAT
>thinking anyone gave a shit
you clearly gave a shit ;)
>>35353380
me and my gym buddy have found therapeutic effects of atg squatting past year.
form is everything
>>35352625
He's in a single-ply suit, it squeezes the hell out of you and makes it so you can move more weight out of the hole.
>>35353449
>not a squat if it ain't atg, so how am i stealing kgs? dipshit
shit opinions. Also why compete in PL if think they're all half squatters?
>>100kg press, 150kg bench, 180kg squat, 210kg dead with two herniated discs - i am dyel, but my opinions are GOAT
Are you competing in the 66 kg class? You must be, otherwise you wouldn't think a 540kg total is impressive.
>you clearly gave a shit ;)
You caught me ;) But people on anime boards doesn't count.
>>35353357
>last time i trained legs
>don't give a fuck what any powerlifting federation says (and i mainly train for powerlifting kek)
lmoaaa
>>35353498
I don't compete, I just train in powerlifting routine/rep ranges, and will likely move onto oly lifts this year senpai
>shit opinions
i just checked and it's an objective FACT that having the opinion that atg squats are true squats makes you a better person and better in the sack. it seems like you are a gaylord
>all half squatters
pretty much senpai only guys I really like are Pete Rubish, David Trout, maybe a few others
>think it's impressive
literally call myself a DYEL, funny your numbers haven't came up though - i'll prepare myself for the e-stats famalam
>you caught me
:) seems like i did it again
>>35353504
>jelly
>>35353533
Mirin 3's and 5's, but you're just not right.
>>35353533
In my experience, nobody gives a fuck about squatting just below parallel or fully ATG.
Only DYELS who use ATG as an excuse for being weak. Like in the pic in >>35351512
Also
>If I post a smug reaction picture it will mean I am right!
>>35353604
i dont say its not impressive, just not a skwaat.
900lb half skwaat still cool.
in my experience, erryone cares about atg squats. your move - also, post ur stats
also, smug images do prove you're right.
>>35353548
i'm right, post stats
>>35353637
also me, carrying on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvrzgKsRnJ0
deeply impressive, imo opinion more impressive than some bloated fat fuck dead at 45 sted head doing a half skwaat with his knees wrapped tighter than a nuns arsehole, who has poured his gello body into a fucking lifting suit, with a belt, sniffing amonia, with 30 guys aside.
guess that's just my preference tho
>>35353637
So you want me to estat without videos too? Okay, I'm actually Mike Tuchscherer and here's my lifts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrGIh84HBzg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjVwudFMq4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7b3T8Yvop8
>>35353659
Yeah obviously Clarence is strong as fuck, as is Klokov, as is Lu, as are any of the current IPF champs.
>>35353668
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7b3T8Yvop8
>decent half squat
>solid bench
>decent dead
if it's you, fair play. if you're just being a dick thinking i'm e-stating you why should you bother posting ur lifts
>implying i'd estat such pathetic numbers
git gud mate.
>>35353677
IPF champs who do half skwaats senpai. champ of the half skwat vs champ of the true squat, know which side i'm on.
>>35353700
>IPF champs
>half skwaats
And THIS is how I know you don't know what you're talking about. Besides actually thinking that guy is really Mike T.
>>35353726
>knee bends
>ipf rules
>'parrelell
okay famalam. sure thiiiing. keep up your ipf lifting bro, i'm sure your 'squats' will develop nicely.
meanwhile i'll continue atging 180kg for dayyyz untill i get 220kg whence i'll continue atging those for days too.
all the best 'champ'
>>35353700
>800x3
>"decent"
top lmao
>>35353763
>melanichev squatting 1030lbs
>200lb difference
yeah, it's 'decent' in the grand scheme of things buddy. get in the know senpai pls
>>35353792
Lots of heavyweights and SHWs squat more than they pull. Mike T is a fucking king when it comes to didlifts. He's also fucking drug tested which Malan, uh...
>>35353817
>drug tested
>not being faked
>accusing me of not knowing what i'm talking about
>thinking a guy with a 800lb squat and a 200kg bench isn't on gear
FUCKING EL OH EL FAMILY TBQH
>Mike T is a fucking king when it comes to didlifts
???????? Give me 3 seconds - oh wait, Eddie Hall, Andy Bolton, Eddie Hall, George Leeman, Eric Lilliebridge - the list goes on and on, his deadlift is weak as fuck when it comes to the big boys.
so yeah, he's exceptional to the everyday man and woman, but in terms of 'strong people', he's just decent
you fucking dipshits say i have shite opinions and don't know what i'm talking about and come out with pure shite like this? baka tbqh famalamading dong ishygddt
post ur stats u little bitch
>>35353862
He may roid part of the year, but WADA can call your ass in any time at all. So yes, there are lifters in the IPF who roid, but some get caught and they can't get away with permablasting all year long.
>Eddie Hall, Andy Bolton, Eddie Hall, George Leeman, Eric Lilliebridge
Literally all on large amounts of steroids.
>Hall
shitload of roids
>Bolton
shitload of roids
>Leeman
lmaoman, shiiiitload of roids
>Lilliebridge
will be dead from roids in the next 10-15 years
And an 800 squat/sub 500 bench at 240+ is not that crazy. It's really fucking good, but it's not automatic roid territory. Come to /plg/ sometime.
>>35353900
>Being this deluded
>Being this wrong
>Being this out of touch
IDGAF anymore senpai. The guy you posted has stats similar to a ton of low/mid level lifters - Pete Rubish/David Trout have similar lifts (Trout pulled 800lb the other day so he's better at deads anyway). He's irrelevant, and yes, he absolutely does do roids and WADA don't mean a single fucking thing.
Post your stats or don't bother replying.
@35353935
I'm done replying anyway bud. You're obviously clueless about how strict IPF/WADA drug testing can be.
>>35353949
You're clueless about how business works.
>all these assmad fatlifters defending their squatmorning "just below parallel" cheating bullshit
true high bar atg weightlifter master race. girls and guys mirin flexibility and explosive display of power and gymnastics
>in one kinetic chain
>>35348226
Pls be b8
>>35348668
I believe you
That's why we only do box squats.
>>35348197
I can only squat 1 pl8 with my butt touching ground :(
>>35352449
You shouldn't put so many plates on if it's your first time man
>>35352449
did you forget to breath, faggot?
>>35348197
Fuck yeah, deep sqwat.
>mfw the pt says there's no need to go that deep,
>mfw the little shit says i'll hurt my knees
>mfw he has no legs
>>35355205
You really don't want to breathe mid-rep in gear. Its a good way to get your chest bounced off your knees.
I started my own thread earlier, but may as well ask here, too:
Kinda new to lifting, been on SL 5x5 for 2 months, am 6'7", and have had butt wink recently that has been verified by several experienced folk. It happens whenever I go too far below parallel, and causes awful lower back soreness.
I'm all for going ATG, except, until I work out my mobility issues, it seems that's a ticket to Snap City. Are squats to parallel still going to give me decent gains?
>>35348197
it's true i can't get that low on back squats. that's why i'm only doing front squats now (and training for overhead squats)
>>35357347
>have had butt wink
Everyone has
>>35357746
Ok, so, what do you recommend I do about it?
>be a powerlifter
>training squats
>'hmmm, it appears this weight is too heavy for me to do a squat with'
>think for a moment
>lightbulb
>'i know! I will do a half squat and convince people this is a true squat, and make that the rules for all other fat lifters like myself - then I can say I do a 900lb squat despite only half squatting'
>be a oly/weightlifter
>train squats
>go ATG everytime
>can claim every squat they do is a squat
this is reality - to deny it is to admit you are a brain drain on society
>>35357882
first step i'd recommend is going to google and typing
'how to get rid of buttwink'
might be a decent start senpai
