How long does a transformation like this take without steroids? and what body part do you guys think girls find most attractive?
>without steroids
Forget it
>with steroids
2-2.5 years with dedication and perfect diet
>>35274269
This
Fact: You will never look this good without steroids.
>>35274260
he took steroids, however, in about 5 years you will pretty similar if you have good diet.
1 year natty
>>35274269
>>35274274
You're both retarted and this fucking thread also.
GENETICS plays a HUGE rol. I was 2x bigger than him natty, with a shitty diet. It might take you 2 years and him maybe 2 year.
pic related faggots. 4 years natty training
>>35274274
This
>>35274286
I agree. 4+ years (esp if you're not a manlet)
>>35274260
is this off-brand zyzz
>>35274301
him maybe 2 year.
=
3* years
>>35274301
Yea, ha ha.
Me too.
>>35274301
lmao you never give up fraudin' around like that
btw this guy is 6'4
>>35274302
>I agree. 4+ years (esp if you're not a manlet)
You're fucking retarted
This took me 2 years and 1 cycle.
>>35274301
>>35274310
Just no. A big maybe if you are 5'2"
>>35274363
Keep on mirin faggot.
The truth hurts for you probably. Why should i lie about past natty pictures, if i'am not natty anymore
you dumb shit
>>35274301
>>35274310
Strong assertion into this thread, Johnny Bravo
>implying he's not on roids
>implying you can get that lean without gear
>mastest
God damn you're retarded why you tripping
>>35274404
Well, that you should ask yourself.
And how tall are you?
>>35274408
I can't even comprehend how much misconceptions that worthless post contains
>implying you can get that lean without gear
Please, delete your post. This is just too dumb. Just don't post here anymore, it's just too embarrassing. You're either a 8-year old or mentally disabled.
PPL DONT USE GEAR TO GET LEAN YOU MORON. They use it to either maintain muscle while cutting or gain muscle.
Educate yourself before you decide to sound smart against god.
>>35274481
>PPL DONT USE GEAR TO GET LEAN
>use it to maintain muscle while cutting
u wot m8
>>35274481
>implying that maintaining muscle while cutting isn't getting lean.
>>35274481
>ppl dont use gear to get lean
>they use it to maintain muscle while cutting
Same fucking thing you enormous retard
Lanklets can't look like that without gear
Kek. Now you know why they're so jealous of manlet master race.
Thank you for taking your daily dose of red pill.
>>35274565
1. Higher metabolic rate due to substances is not direct fatburn.
2. Maintaining more muscle during deficit due to substances is not direct fatburn
3. Cardio is not necessary for getting lean
4. Food doesn't make you lean, the deficit does
5. Each post you make makes you more retarded
6. Kill yourself
7. Profit
diet supermang at it again
>>35274301
how?
>>35274260
If you're lifting for girls (or the general public), you don't need roids. Girls sleep with (or date + marry if you're some sort of faggot) guys who are satisfactory in all fields and excel in one field.
For example, if you're 16% bf, have a job, not autistic, and amazing at piano... musical girls will sleep with you
If you're 17% bf, make 500k+, not autistic, and know about culture... gold digging girls will be into you
If you're 2% bf athlete, work as some sort of fitness thing, not autistic, and not a philistine, very physical girls will fuck you until your balls fall off.
So if athletics is going to be the thing that defines you, then by all means roid and become huge. Otherwise, just lift regular and define yourself elsewhere.
>>35274565
>losing argument
>hnngdnng m-muh zyzz
top kek whatever autismo
You still will never look this good without gear.
You don't even look that good with gear faggot
>>35274634
>Food doesn't make you lean, the deficit does
>the deficit does
>BUT YOU DONT NEED THE FOOD
LMFAO
>Cardio is not necessary for getting lean
i never said that you dumb shit. I never said it was NECESSARY to get lean. It also depends on your body type. Me as a meso, can get away with just a bit of biking and workouts. Endo would probably need it due its metabolic rate
>>35274703
1. i'am winning the argument, because you're counter arguments are based on a pile of shit.
2. I look better than everyone, with or without gear. My genetics will never allow me to look bad.
3. keep mirin.
>>35274634
not Mas but you're fucking retarded
reading comprehension, do you even
>>35274656
Steroids.
>>35274718
Holy shit you are dumb
Ofcourse the deficit in calories is what makes you lean.
And when did I say you don't need food?
>The FOOD+ cardio makes you lean you dumb shits.
>i never said that you dumb shit.
You must be trolling though.
>>35274766
where are the pecs? :(
>>35274766
>>35274481
>>35274404
> natty
Why do people keep indulging this guy. He is exactly like supermong, everyone knows hes not natty but he still claims it.
>>35274803
>Food doesn't make you lean, the deficit does
>And when did I say you don't need food?
lmfao. I always get a big smirk on my face, when i read such dumb post
>>35274806
pic related faggot
2-3 years if you're a manlet
6-10 if you're above 6'2"
Infinity years if you have low test or bad genetics or are already above 26% body fat
>>35274844
You should sign up for the Oilympia brah
>>35274844
Yo. Honest question. Can you just post exactly what you've done over the past 5 years in great detail so I can copy what you did and reach my Natty limit?
I want to compete in the ruby classic and beat the piss Lord next yar
>>35274876
first couple of years i had a really bad eating habit and shitty routine.
After 3-4 years i started to bulk up for a couple of months. After that i did a carb cycle to cut the fat asap. Pic related are the results of this carb cycle.
After that i started my first test + mast cycle.
>>35274977
how long was the carb cycle?
>>35274766
>no forearms
>>35274346
>>35274404
kek
You must have a serious inferiority complex mayne
>>35275006
3 months.
i did it like this;
It goes like this;
You have; 5 low carb and 2 high carb days(thur-sun) each week.
On low carb you eat things like; eggs, cottage cheese, chicken, lean meat, fish/salmon
On high carb days its remains the same as low carb days, but you add some carbs like; oats, rice, pasta etc.
Good fats are also good, since they stimulate fat loss; almonds, nuts, natural peanut butter, other good nuts etc.
Example of a low carb day;
6 egg(whole + egg whites)
lean meat + broccoli + almonds
lean meat + broccoli + almonds
chicken + broccoli + almonds
chicken + broccoli + natural peanut butter
eggs(whole + egg whites)
cottage cheese.
On a high carb day it remains the same, but you add rice/oats to each meal.
I also recommend you drink 3/4L water each day and green thea
>>35275010
>forearms.
I have more pics if you're interested. Just say it and i post, because muhhh inferiority. lmao
>>35275051
thanks, sick forearms
>>35274977
Did you get that vascular just from the cut? Or did you take arginine or something?
>>35274481
go fuck yourself tripfag
>>35274977
How heavy were you on the beginnig and ending pic?
>>35274301
you look like pure shit compared to him to be honest family
>>35275051
This is good info, thanks. Bulking now, will remeber this in the future.
>>35275106
Yes, just from low bodyfat. I might also have a thin skin.
On refeed days/carb days you will really full and veins will pop out like crazy.
Try to experment with carbs before and after training also. Just see how your body respond.
>>35275128
was around 84kg when i ended the cut. maybe around 90-92kg when i started
>>35275133
>you look like pure shit compared to him to be honest family
i look way better than him.
>thicker
>bigger
>fuller
>more vascularity
>muscle bellies
he looks like a twink and doesn't even look like he lift without proper lightning/angles. in clothes he will look dyel as fuck.
>>35275287
/fit/ prefers your body, girls don't.
>>35275287
what is the reason he looks smaller though? is it cus of his height?
>>35275188
On that before pic we look pretty fookin similar, same height, same weight but your arms rock mine, especially the forearms. I have no grip problem up until 200kg on the deadlift but still no growth. Been doing meme forearm curls but still little growth. Have you done anything special to train yours?
>>35274260
Women love men with wide shoulders and narrow waists.
Look up the Adonis Index ratio.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness#Male_physical_attractiveness
>>35275294
>/fit/ prefers your body
>girls don't.
Stop caring what other ppl might think. You call me inscure etc, but you're worrying about what girls as some other cuck might think of you.
I just do what i like to do. I already have a loving gf, i don't need to lift some giggling teenage girls.
Just be happy with yourself, that's way more important.
>>35274301
All this test and you're still into men
>>35275336
>Been doing meme forearm curls but still little growth. Have you done anything special to train yours?
I had toothpick forearms before. You need to do the wrist roller and dismiss everything else for forearms. its a MEME.
see the results of the wrist roller. 2 times a week 5x till failure.
>>35275051
Just so you know I screencapped this post for future reference on cutting.
>>35275390
fuck, are you my twin, dude? My forearms look exactly like that. I'm building a wrist roller or buying one asap. Thanks brother.
>>35274301
>shit I forgot about my trip again
>>35274310
>>35274346
>>35274404
>>35274481
>>35274565
>>35274718
>>35274766
>>35274844
>>35274977
>>35275051
>>35275188
>>35275287
>damage control
Top kek as always, senpai.
>>35275450
i dont get it
>>35275432
You can easliy make one yourself with a;
1.rope
2.weight(2,5kg more than enough)
3.pvc pipe.
pic related.
>>35275450
Why do you keep posting this? can you read a tripcode or are you illiterate?
>>35275503
thanks senpai
>>35275503
>Why do you keep posting this? can you read a tripcode or are you illiterate?
I actually checked it only just after posting when it came to my mind. Am illiterate.
Have a cool painting for that, familia.
>>35274766
I don't see it nigger
hey fit
i am 5'6" and weigh 165 lbs.
Question is besides diet, how often do I have to work out. Currently I'm working out 5 days a week, an hour a day. Is this good or should I go everyday?
>>35274260
>>Natural
anavar gonna happen
>>Youtube natty
try Rich Piana's stack, he has it on his instagram, and you will achive it in a year or so
>>35275345
I agree with you even though you're a tripfag. Caring what other people think isn't important especially if you're trying to get /fit/. You have to do it for yourself.
>>35275782
If i would care what other ppl think about me, i would end up looking like a pile of dog shit
>>35275780
that physique can be attained natty. Even with mediocre genetics.
>>35275404
Post it so I can save? Mobile fag.
>>35275986
Other anon, here you go.
>>35276052
Awesome man. I have a year or two before I want to cut though. Only been at this less than 2 months though, an dc gained 20 lb or more. People calling me buff and I barely just started haha.
Was unsure how to cut without hating life in the future though. Carb cycle will save me from blowing my brains out..
how to get that belt?
>be 6'4"
>still natty
>around 200lbs in the right picture
Most of you guys have such low standards about what is attainable being natural that you give up before starting.
Cant blame you if you have shit genetics and are born to hate people that look better than you though.
>>35276207
you must get so much pussy
>>35276207
But you look like shit?
>>35275726
hello someone please answer me!
>>35276207
twink mode
>>35276231
the denial is unreal, and i'm not even that guy
>>35275986
>>35276052
I did it like this, save the version you like the most.
>>35276253
I like this one better then mine but too lazy. Good job anyways.
>>35275848
what did your first cycle look like?
>>35276247
>>35276231
>n-not samefagging, i swear guise!! ;__;
How jealous can one person get?
>>35276245
everyday is too much. 5 days is fine.
>>35275450
lol... MASTEST CONFIRMED FOR NIGGER!
>>35275598
das comfy mang
>>35276318
test + mast for 14 weeks.
after that i went off cycle for 1 year
recently did; test p + test e for 16 weeks.
almost done with pct right now, and took this picture just now
>>35276453
Hi MasTest, is carb cycling better than standard cut? If yes, why?
>>35274314
get a fuckin haircut u ugly
>>35274269
>females calling implants on big breasts
>males calling roids on big muscles
I want tumblr out of my 4chans.
>>35276482
i would recommend carb cycling for going sub 10%, because of stubborn fat. To keep your body guessing. It worked for me pretty well, without any supplements
http://www.simplyshredded.com/shredded-at-44-fitness-model-helmut-strebl-talks-with-simplyshredded-com.html
When I cut down for a competition, I do what is necessary to peak at 4% body-fat.
This means decreasing my carb intake and slightly increasing my fat consumption. I also do carb cycling for about a month prior to the event. Each of my cycles lasts four days. For the first three, I have between 150-200 grams of carbs, divided over six meals.
>>35276564
Thanks for the advice. I will try doing this when i'll need to cut, but first I need to build some muscle, because I'm still dyel
>>35274301
why would you train your arms more than chest
>muh guns
>>35276685
>being this retarted
>>35274844
>>35276231
the amount of salt exceeds that of the dead sea
>>35276231
post yourself
>>35276207
looking good for your height, im a 5'7 manlet, so it was easy-mode for me to get a nice physique, but looking like that at 6'4 is impressive, tbqh family
>>35274260
>without steroids
it doesn't happen
>with steroids 2-3 years assuming you know how to lift/eat, have above average genetics and are dedicated.
>>35276202
just lower your pants more, not like his torso magically moved up a few inches
>>35275133
This to be honest senpaitachi
I never get people who cycle just to "get berg brah" and have their body look like your average run of the mill gymbro as if their body was mass produced in a factory
If i decided to roid i'll either do my best to look like sergi constance tier greek god physique or do fuckton of GH + tren to turn mass monster style.
Roiding to get this mid way point body where you neither look aesthetic nor xboxhueg to me is kinda pointless desu senpai
Especialy if you're a manlet like mastest
>>35275503
How are these performed? don't you have to extend one wrist and flex the other? don't you need rotating grip?
>>35274766
Its kinda obvious that you realize that you look like shit for someone on a cycle.
However too late to turn back now
So best you can do now is pretend you're
>muh alpha
ectomorphs who get muscle looks the most aestheitcally pleasing. i.e frank zane, zyzz, the pic op posted and so on.
most ectomorphs that work out stay lean and ripped without even trying. its all genetics
>>35274260
2-4 years natural imo.
1year with steroids
>>35274346
Youre a fucking manlet though
>>35274260
4-5 years if you are above 6 foot
>>35278717
Too bad cant unlock it without roids
>>35280320
i love when the ugly lanklets get jelly of the manlets
>>35280341
:(
At least I'm not a manlet though, right?
>>35274346
Did you lose your gains after the cycle?
>>35276207
Who are you referring to? All the people who have been called out are obviously on gear. You're not, you're too small to be on gear. If you were on gear and looked like that you should kill yourself.
>>35278717
>ectomorphs
Good way to invalidate anything else you might have said, breh. that's complete broscience, a skinny faggot can gain weight the same as anyone else.
>>35276207
you dont look like you roid but you have a good body.
The other guy is on lots o gear and should kill himself.
>>35278044
>Its kinda obvious that you realize that you look like shit for someone on a cycle.
*tipsss*
i always cringe when someone post this, without posting his own pics to prove he looks better lmao.
>>35280967
water/glycogen mostly. I have pics if you'e interested.
>>35274260
>and what body part do you guys think girls find most attractive?
My supreme intelligence
>>35274260
I'm know I'm no where near the guy in pic OP but this is my progress natty, little under a year
>>35276207
You look nothing like skywalker tho so what is the point of this post
depends how good your tanning salon is. WHAT A LITTLE CHINK FAGGOT
>>35274260
What causes this weird syndrome? The one where after someone gains enough muscle mass their heads are pulled backwards and to one side? Is it some kind of action of the muscles in the back, like the increased power of the back muscles pull the head back?
>>35283844
Ad hominem m8
By your logic all olympia judges must also be 280 lbs shredded amirite?? Lol
>>35285154
I mean you started off on a bretty gud basis but still mirin
>>35274346
> day 1 curls
>day 2 curls
>day 3 curls
>day 4 curls
>day 5 curls
>day 6 steroids
>day 7 cock up the bum
When are you going to start squatting to build your legs? You look ridiculous.
>>35276207
This here is a real natty. He looks small and flat, wouldn't even look like he lifts in clothes.
Fuck all the other cunts in here fraudin.
>>35276207
Obvious natty, no one's gonna call you out man good job for your height if you were like 4 inches shorter you'd probably looks pretty massive.
>>35276685
tbchfam I wouldn't blame him if he did, having to choose between arms and chest is not easy.
>>35274766
>no delts
they look like shit compared to that unprortionate tricep lol
goals
>>35274260
Guys between those two pics are nice...like Taylor Lautner. The other guys who posted their pics here look way too weird/veiny.
