Is SS really just a meme /fit/?
>>35186357
Nope.
"SS is a meme" is the actual meme.
Next question.
Yes, one of the biggest meme in 4chan history. You don't know how many people have had their lifting careers at best delayed by 5-6 months and at worst completely destroyed due to the lack of results because of this troll.
>>35186357
This guy is fat. He Iooks Iike any ordinary footbaII coach that never got to be the pIayer and Iives out his dreams through the team he yeIIs at.
>>35186452
refer to this image >>35186428
>>35186491
That's Roger Estep, not Rippetoe.
>>35186578
Here's your (You) you memespouting dyel.
>>35186452
You should stick to your brosplit breh. Meanwhile I'm gonna go over here and warmup with your maxes.
>>35186491
this meme is just terrible
I hope not because I'm doing this shit right now.
No. It will make you strong as a beginner, which is important
Surprise! You're not going to become a shredded sikkunt in 6 months on any routine. The best way to eventually get there is to start out by being strong. SS is the best way to do that
>taking advice from a fat ass who has a beer belly
kek
>>35187396
>taking advice from someone who has decades of experience in their field and the knowledge that results from it
you're right anon, what was I thinking? :^)
>>35186357
Nope
>>35186578
>That's Roger Estep, not Rippetoe
>>35186357
Yes and no.
It's not a meme as a beginner routine, hence the name STARTING Strength.
If you're still using it after 4 or 5 months, then it's a meme.
>>35186445
ok, explain why it sucks then
>>35187230
>Meanwhile I'm gonna go over here and warmup with your maxes.
the guy who reps 225x10 will look better than the one who lifts 135x10 so take from that what you will.
>>35189138
Thats Roger Ebert, not Mark Rippetoe
>>35186578
>>35186592
>>35189292
it is roger estep
http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_strength/roger_estep_rip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ovmOv_GfRs (names of lifters provided in description)
look at the musculature/insertions/bodyfat%/fucking face of estep vs rippetoe.
mark has never been that lean and muscular in his life.
>>35189138
>implying mark rippetoe even looks like that
when the fuck will this meme end?
they don't even look anything alike.
>>35189781
Wrong dude, this is Roger Estep
SS is a great strength routine for athletes(football players).
SS + accessories at a moderate bulk is a great beginners routine for anyone.
If you bulk extremely hard/do GOMAD on SS, you deserve to get fat.
>>35186357
no
>>35189838
Not really, it's fairly shit and won't actually help you that much as an athlete.
High rep strength anaerobic and muscle endurance is a hell of a lot more import then raw strength and any football player that prioritizes maximum strength over that damn well better be a fucking offensive lineman or he is going to ride the fucking bench forever.
I'm looking for a good PPL to start on after SS? My goals are continued strength development (still can't hit 1/2/3/4) and more mass (still only weigh 75kilos at 183cm)
>>35191160
What's the difference between "Press" and "Bench Press" here?
Does Press mean shoulder press?
>>35189781
>memenation
>>35193311
The Press is Overhead (shoulder) press, yes.
>>35186445
>uses SS
>get strong and hot
>doesn't want others to reach that level because low esteem and generaly piece of shit of a person
>tells bullshit to everyone
You're a bad person.
>>35186452
He's also beyond 60, you moron.
But don't eat 6000kcal a day, that's nuts.
>>35189781
Lol, newfag, that is rippletits. Stop confusing people
>>35189469
>If you're still using it after 4 or 5 months, then it's a meme.
What do you do after 5 months, then?
>>35193432
But the bench press also uses the shoulder?
>>35193580
Do an intermediate strength program like TM or do a PPL split
>>35193589
The Press focusses upon the shoulders, bench press focusses upon the pectorals and has input from the anterior delt.
>>35189565
>Squat
Dangerous meme lift that gives you t-rex mode.
>Deadlift
Dangerous meme lift that makes you fat and builds no muscle.
>OHP
Dangerous meme lift that wrecks your shoulders.
>Flat bench
Finally not a meme lift. Gives you manboobs tho (aka bencher's chest).
>Power cleans
Dangerous meme lift that, again, builds no muscle.
Combine that with the required diet (5000 kcal per day) and you've got a recipe for a fat t-rex loser.
>>35193610
Nah m7 bench is for chest.
>>35193618
ayy))
>>35193630
pectorals = chest
>>35186428
>>35186491
that is not Rippetoe, you morons
his name is google it, but it's not Rippotato
>>35193701
He still used the 5x5 to get by. So suck it.
>>35193432
Thanks buddy.
>>35187396
The thing with Rip is that he's a trainer and he has used this technique on people for decades, ages 15 to 91, and it always produces results. The logic behind it is failproof too. I'm trusting this shit and will be starting SL soon enough.
>>35187230
>Meanwhile I'm gonna go over here and warmup with your maxes.
nobody cares that you can squat 450lb when you look like a fat, 40 year-old dumpy-bodied truck driver
>>35186428
It's not funny fag
>>35191993
What are ur stats then? Im on a 3x5 program with a 1pl8 OHP 3x5, 105kg/2 plate + 15lbs 3x5 binch and 3 pl8 diddlylift, 110kg squat.
SS/Full body is great because it teaches beginners to focus on basic compounds instead of fucking around. Taking the time to learn proper form and progress is important. One month after doing SS and 1/4 GOMAD to get a cal surplus, people were already noticing my gains and complimenting me. It's also true that you might develop an uneven physique, even with accessries like chin-ups and curls, my quads grew faster than my arms. After a few months I moved to a PPL routine and I much prefer it to SS but I'm glad I did SS first.
>>35186428
no but the dirty bulk 5,000 calories a day thing is, and the "average" results of squatting 500 pounds in 9 months is bullshit
>>35186452
And he still ohps 2pl8
>>35186357
>>35194006
The very image that made me drop my DB and order a power rack, a BB, weights, and a bench.
SS/SL, here I fucking come.
A modified SS with some more upper body work is a great program for beginners. It teaches the movements and linear progression is pretty much how you should train at first, because you can.
Eventually linear progression won't work well anymore and you will need to have some kind of periodization program. Or just use steroids and have linear progression forever.
>>35193831
If you trust Rip why are you doing a knock off program?
I did the superior Reg Park 5x5 anyway
>>35194197
>If you trust Rip why are you doing a knock off program?
The principles are the same, and because SL doesn't have power cleans, which I don't think I should start with.
Reg Park, from what I heard, is the source of it all. What's the RP programme exactly?
>>35186445
STOP TROLLING FOR FUCKS SAKE
>>35187362
/thread
>>35194225
It's on the sticky, I liked it because it isolated the calves, biceps and wrists as well as doing the key lifts
>>35194225
That would be Bil Starr, Rippetoe's coach.
>>35193881
40kg OHP 5RM
70kg Bench 5RM
85kg Squat 5RM
100kg DL 5RM
>be me, start lifting again
>last time lifted was highschool football
>look in mirror, wide hips big legs no arms
>look at ss because so many memers talk about it on this board
>tfw football coaches did the ss meme on me
>>35194006
I'm not trying to be a dink here, but this image is just so... underwhelming.
the guy has no legs.
the guy has no forearms.
the guy has average lats, average arms, below average chest, and magnificent lighting.
>>35189138
Teddy Roosevelts looking good
You guys say to not do it after 4-5 months. But I keep getting sick and had my wisdom teeth taken out this past year. So I keep having to sit out for 2 weeks every few months. Shit sucks. Should I still stay on SS? I'm still making progress.
>>35195706
Why the fuck would you stop if you are making progress? SO that you could jump on a bro split and curl bitch ass weights? Gain as much strength as possible. Intermediate programs will only allow increases once a week. A bro split will be even slower.
>>35195768
Yeah I answered my own question it just sucks that so far this year ever 3 months I have to sit out 2 weeks do to getting sick or surgery and have to restart.
>>35195826
sounds like you have other issues to sort out anon
>>35195600
I don't know m8, compared to what I see in your pictures, he has a lot more of everything.
See literally no legs on you.
Literally no forearms on you.
Literally no lats, arms, chest or lighting on you.
Nice pics.
>>35196877
I could be the hungriest of skeleton. That doesn't change the fact that the guy in picture looks like shit.
Is the first workout in the SS really just this? Like, is that all for one day? Seems like something that can be done in 25 minutes.
3x5 Squat
3x5 Press
1x5 Deadlift
>>35193618
>tfw did ss and turned into a meme.
>>35196905
You are just insecure and have body dysmorphia. He just looks like a decently strong dude.. aka someone who makes a little bit of effort and works out.
>>35194006
>"pretty much only" meaning he's definitely hiding other exercises
>chicken legs
>absolutely no timeframe
why does everyone post this image in SS threads? he literally did not do SS. anyone looking at his legs should be able to tell instantly.
>>35196905
Is this how you see /fit/?
Think you can shitpost without pictures and have people take you seriously?
You can be mastest, shitpost with pictures, and still not be taken seriously, but the other way round doesn't flow.
>>35196914
I want to know too.
>>35187543
>>35193831
Thats some great results, stick to SS if you want the same.
>>35197374
>>35197374
Im sure he looks good on cut
>>35196914
>>35197296
It starts off slow, but adding up to 30 lbs to your squat per week gets quite brutal quickly.
I've been lifting for a little over 2 years, and I did the following:
SS --> Texas Method --> PPL
I would recommend that if you are new that you do SS until you arent weak (not 12 months, thats way too long imo) and then use those principles you learned to do PPL
I spent way too much time on SS and texas method, and while I got stronk for my size, I didnt really get that much hypertrophy (sans legs)
I also have body dysmorphia though, so idk
>>35193580
PPL, Madcow, Texas Method, or something else depending on your goals. SS is literally meant to solely build your strength base and take maximum advantage of noob gains.
>>35196905
So you look like shit and are angry that people look better then, thanks. The dude looks pretty great.
>>35191160
How do you know when to start the light squat session? Any numbers?
>>35186357
Do it for 3-4 months. Then change to a bodybuilding routine, or whatever the fuck you wanna do.
Really, people, don't be scared of not making aesthetic gains right away. The aesthetics comes from the look of all of that weight on that barbell, and that will eventually transfer over to your appearance when you switch to a bodybuilding routine, which will consist of strength gains, too, because to get bigger, you need heavier weights on the bar. You'll look good, and be strong. They ususally go hand in hand, anyway.
>>35200709
What's a good BB routine though? Most I see just seem like brosplits with very little info about them. Preferably something that doesn't require machines.
>>35193328
T-nation has really well written and cited articles, sometimes by the experts of their fields (including b.contreras, and your precious rippletits)
please provide a real criticism against t-nation, other than
>lol maymay xD
>>35197374
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TB0PpIGcX0
zach's fine you ab obsessed idiots
>>35187362
This. This. This.
Ignore all other troll posts
>>35196996
Yeah i have to agree. Those chicken legs give it away. There's no way he could squat heavy with those legs.
>>35197828
That just seems retarded way to injure yourself.
>>35189761
Underrated post
>>35193618
kek
#1 beginner routine
>>35196996
>Strong legs
>Big legs
Pick one
>>35201697
Who the fuck is gullible enough to believe that guy actually did SS
>those arms
>SS
https://www.t-nation.com/training/most-lifters-are-still-beginners
Tl;dr: It's a beginner program meant to maximize easy noob gains. Move on after at most a year.
>>35189138
any other pic of him in his prime?
>>35202157
Move on to what? I'm afraid starting another program that doesn't challenge me as much and losing all my gainz.
>>35202089
I did SS then Bill Stars Intermediate.
You are actually retarded if you think a Bro Split is going to give you bigger arms than a balanced SS routine.
>>35202197
>Doesn't challenge me as much
If the program you're doing isn't challenging and it's any well accepted program the issue is you. Stop being a bitch and do more weight.
But if you want to ride the meme train all the way to squatopia SS>5/3/1>Smolov
>>35200237
No he looks average at best.
Unlike you I'm able to view the world from an objective point of view. I don't understand why you need to be a certain thing in order to criticize something. If that was the case, only movie directors would be allowed to criticize movies.
>>35202209
I'm not interested in being a strength athlete, I just want to look fit and like I lift.
What's acceptable for a strength base before switching? Is it true you're not supposed to switch from SS until you can hit 1/2/3/4?
>>35202252
You switch when you stall three times on the squat while doing things properly. Depending on the person that could be at just about any weight, but once it happens there's little point beating your head against the wall further.
>>35202252
>Is it true you're not supposed to switch from SS until you can hit 1/2/3/4?
Bro I'm trying hard as fuck to hit that now, but looks like I can't. I have to switch to something more intermediate.
>>35202209
>and it's any well accepted program
Got any suggestions for one? When people say "Push/Pull", "PPL" or "U/L" that could be just about anything. Also I'm not sure I trust PHAT, PHUL, or any of the programs on BodyBuilding.com like Shortcut to Size.
>>35202290
What lift are you struggling with?
>>35202304
All of them except power clean, which still seems to be going up. Squats are crushing. Bench I'm missing reps, but I'm getting in more reps at that weight with each session. Press the same. Deadlift seems like my sticking point is grip strength (and exhaustion of the lower back, need to use hams more), even with alternate grip I have trouble holding the bar.
>>35202246
.....and this is why guys who train for looks are pussies.
You still do more weight faggot. If it's not challenging, do more fucking weight. I'm not saying do change your rep ranges to 10x3. I'm saying do more weight for the fucking 8-15 reps you're using.
>>35202252
Beginner/Intermediate/Advance are not determined by your lifts but by your rate of advancement. If doing SS you are still making gains and adding weight in a linear fashion each workout or week, keep doing it. When you have had to reset a couple times and can't seem to make that next jump using SS, that is when you switch. Doesn't matter if that is 2pl8 or 5.
>>35186452
Maybe, but my respect for him grew tremendously when I saw him doing 18 chinups despite being a fatfuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaEVDfDazI4
>>35191160
How far ahead is 'well ahead'?
>>35196914
It seems like nothing at first, but when as you start adding weight, you'll need to rest for quite a while between sets.
>>35202252
>Is it true you're not supposed to switch from SS until you can hit 1/2/3/4?
No. Keep doing SS until your gains slow significantly.
>>35202311
Might sound dumb but with Deadlifting just double overhand every set until you feel your grip go, then to alternate. It'll build up pretty nicely. Also is the bar thin or thick? Use chalk?
>tfw you can double overhand 200k now when 205k felt like death incarnate last year
http://www.pikore.com/m/839849541389166198_394984520
Post some videos and we might be able to help. What's your food like? Sleep? Work?
>>35202323
The rep range I'm doing right now is 5, since I'm doing SS, like I said.
Maybe I will switch to 3-4 sets of 8-12 reps and give that a try. Or have a "hypertrophy" day of 8-12 reps and "strength" day of 5 reps. What do you think? Will there be any actual difference? To me the only difference seems to be that with less reps you make bigger jumps in effort between reps until exhaustion, while with more reps the jumps are smaller. Less reps feel a lot more intense, but I read that there are physiological adaptations (sarcoplasmic hypertrophy) that take place with more reps. Also more reps seems more suited to me to doing natural work. You don't chop down a tree with five swings. Your shift isn't over after passing only five boxes along.
>>35202357
That's a pretty fucking good video. I'll try chalk.
>>35202375
Holy shit hypertrophy for looks is some fucking fairytale that has been told is complete shit multiple times in this thread, and is extensively covered in the sticky for fuck sake drop it.
You will get a physique from doing SS, the reason most people look like shit after 6 months of it is because no matter what routine you are doing unless you are roiding or genetically gifted you are going to look like shit. Nobody can look fantastic in 6 months, regardless of routine. However you can maximize your gains in those 6 months if you build a stable base with SS.
>>35202204
>>35202204
>>35202204
>>35202357
>tfw I can deadlift 2pl8 4 reps with double overhand but can't on the fifth
>Switched to over/under
>Still didn't help
I KNOW I can lift 2pl8 for five reps, but my grip fails me
>>35202409
If it's any consolation my squat is abysmal
>>35202394
>Holy shit hypertrophy for looks is some fucking fairytale that has been told is complete shit multiple times in this thread, and is extensively covered in the sticky for fuck sake drop it.
wut
>and is extensively covered in the sticky
Must have missed that part.
>hypertrophy for looks is some fucking fairytale
?
>You will get a physique from doing SS
I've been doing SS for the last 8 months, so I've already done SS. I've built up some decent muscle but need to know what to move on to to progress (with a focus on looks not strength), and I've also got a bit of a gut to lose. Marines always look fit to me after boot camp and that's only 3 months.
>>35202375
I think if looking good and general fitness is your goal then doing SS with one of the days in the 8-12 rep range instead of 5 would be a good idea, but don't deadlift in a hypertrophy rep range.
I generally find hypertrophy vs strength intensity to be of a different kind. Without getting extremely long winded I would say it's easy to have a super intense 'set' from strength focused training, but with hypertrophy training that wouldn't work so it's more about the workout in it's entirety. Focusing on quality reps, rest times, muscle time under tension, lactic acid build up and frankly pain management from working through the burn and the pump.
>>35202432
Looked at Candito or Blaha's programs? I don't know anything about them and hardly know any programs for looks since I do all my own powerlifting programming.
>>35202432
Marines usually have been training their entire lives and have just done some hefty cardio to burn off fat, you do realize marines run upwards of 20k a day right?
And yes, hypertrophy is caused from generally every rep range. So strength training covers that pretty well.
Go follow Bill Stars Intermediate 5x5, it's a pretty nice routine to follow from SS.
Believe me dude if you follow some bro split you're going to get to the same destination as a strength routine, except for it will take you several years longer and you'll be weaker for it.
As I said before, everyone around you that is doing a bro split that actually looks decent have just been training for longer than you. If those people followed a program with progression instead of fucking around training whatever every day they would all look arguably better with more strength under their belt.
>>35202204
How many months/years of progress was this?
>>35202585
4
I started at 60k, around 95k now.
>>35202462
To be honest, people progress under different training modalities.
Why? Cause we're all built differently and have different amounts of muscle fiber types.
Strength training might work for some while high intensity high weight short rest type workouts might work for others.
It really does come down to experimentation and learning how your body in particular works.
>>35202614
But I don't want to waste my time. I can't experiement for six months just to figure out that hypertrophy sets don't work only to have missed out on six months of gains. I'm not getting those gains back
>>35200940
>that jug of milk at the end
Supreme meme
>>35202633
1.You don't have any gains idiot. This is a discussion about finding what will help you get those gains
2.Bitch, this isn't a race. You aren't getting ready for a fucking sport or doing it for your job or any form of athletic endevor. This is just you dicking around with a weight set.
This is the rest of your motherfucking life and learning everything about how your body reacts to this is damned important.
You getting "gains" right now but injuring yourself and having no idea how to fucking maintain it or do anything else OUTSIDE of this program that is dedicated to getting scrawny texas highschool football players up to snuff is fucking stupid.
To those of you who hate Starting Strength and have never tried it:
What is your goal?
If your goal is to get stronger and put muscle on your frame as a novice, Starting Strength is the greatest device to do that. Most people will start the program with around a 135x5x3 squat. Most people can finish the program around a 315x5x3 squat and near a 400x5 deadlift. This is very doable if you eat to accommodate the program. If you don't eat to accommodate the program, you won't see these results. You'll stall out at a 225x5x3 squat and scream "Rippletits trolled another!!!"
When have you ever seen someone who could pull 400lbs for reps who wasn't large, strong and powerful?
If you turn into a fat fuck by doing SS, oh well. Losing fat after the program is incredibly simple. Clean up your diet and incorporate more cardio now that you're not squatting heavy 3 times per week. If you possess the discipline to do a true novice progression you definitely have the discipline to cut some fat for a few months after it.
How is this so hard to grasp?
Hey /fit/
ive been doing SS for around 8 weeks now and my squats are now at lmao 2pl8 but im having a hard time doing that 3 times a week, let alone progress
my diddlys are weak as shit (45 kgs). I noticed my form was dogshit so i deloaded and am now doing proper form.
Should i start doing lighter squats and do deadlifts every day to catchup?
>>35202974
>2pl8 after 8 weeks
Steroids please go
>>35202974
How the FUCK can you squat 2pl8 but not even deadlift 1pl8???????????????????????
Jesus christ I OHP more than you deadlift
>>35202593
Laughable progress for 4 years.
>>35202729
> You'll stall out at a 225x5x3 squat and scream "Rippletits trolled another!!!"
This is exactly where I'm stalling on the squat. This is after 6 months of training and 2 resets. However I'm also turning into a fatfuck with a bloated gut because of all the caloric intake. I didn't do GOMAD but LOMAD. I agree that you've got to be big in order to be strong (although I've seen videos of strong as fuck small and wiry guys too) but I just can't physiologically maintain the SS progression after around 255 lbs on the squat. My goal was to look better not to be the strongest guy in my town at the expense of having a huge gut that people laugh at.
As someone who stalled at 54kg ohp, 70kg bench, 100kg squat, 145kg deadlifts and am about 73kg 5'9.
Do you think I just need to eat more?
>>35203678
I think most people end up at around 2bw DL, 1.5bw squat and 1bw bench after SS so that looks reasonable.
>>35203678
I'm stalling at 45kg OHP, 70kg bench, 90kg squat, 100kg DL (5RMs) @ 6ft 168lbs.
I don't think you're stalling, because I'm weaker than you and taller/heavier than you.
>>35203415
And where's Your current body pic?
>>35203761
in ur moms bedroom
If SS taught me one thing, it was how to squat properly. Low bar squatting with hip draaahve like Rip teaches fixed all the issues I had with it. I used to not be able to walk or raise my left leg after squatting because of pain in my groin area like I had pulled something.
>>35203775
Dude what?
I'm having groin pain too. When I'm lying down I can't raise my leg without pain.
I've been lowbar squatting for a long time but recently switched to highbar again. God damn it.
>>35202994
I squat 2 and a half ply after one month, if you already have strong legs its not that much of a deal.
Are there any ACTUAL pics of Rippetoe young and looking lean and strong? Without the meme of posting Roger, I mean, seriously.
I'm not on either side of the fence, but I don't trust people who advertise something they aren't or never were. It's like this guy in my gym who's a personal trainer, and he trains there every single day, yet he is chubby and has literally no muscle and does exercises with no ROM at all. Drives me nuts.
>>35203788
Not him, but I think it's just a flexibility issue. If you're not flexible enough and try to go ATG with weight you'll tear something. When you use a low bar squat and use your back for leverage you wont be going as deep as if you did high bar like those olympic squatters do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhVC_AnZYYM
>>35203821
>>35203841
I go just as deep on low bar as I do high bar. Didn't have any groin pain when I low bar'ed. My knees are screwed, though.
I primarily switched back to HB because 1.) I wanted to focus more on my quads as I felt they were lagging behind. and 2.) I want to get into oly lifting at some point.
>>35203854
It's really hard to tell anything from that picture. I mean actual ones.
He could look strong there or he could look exactly like today. And I mean more in terms of aesthetics because people looking like shit after doing SS is the biggest debate there is here.
>>35203865
Rippetoe has never advertised SS as a bodybuilding program so what does it matter what he looks or looked like? People who end up looking like centaurs after SS are people who never added accessories.
>>35203872
... It does matter, though.
The phrase "he fell for the SS meme" is used almost exclusively for people looking bad after doing the program. And the OP asks, "Is SS really just a meme?" so in that sense, it does matter. Because if Rippetoe himself has never really looked good, then shitposters have a point.
>>35203889
"SS is a meme" discredits the program.
This is unfair because the program does what it's supposed to do. It builds noob strength rapidly. Just because retards fail to into bodybuilding doesn't mean SS is a meme.
>>35203905
Or it could mean that SS is a meme in terms of building an aesthetic body, which, let's be honest, is what nearly pretty much everyone here wants.
That's why there are so many people disappointed once they get strong but still look bad and so many "he fell for the SS meme" comments. So SS could be being inappropriately recommended.
I'm taking from this conversation that Rippetoe has never been aesthetic.
>>35203889
If SS is just a meme it (and the book it came from) probably wouldn't be the go-to resource for people looking to get strong fast.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/1te4fa/post_your_visual_results_from_sssl/
Look through this thread. Even if SS and SL isn't intended to make you look like a greek god, a guy who benches more than his bodyweight and squats even more is going to look like it.
>>35203939
Just skimmed through the thread.
Pic related was the most upvoted and it was an entire year's progress. Most people just seemed salty at the OP for asking for VISUAL CHANGES, which seems like a bad sign. Two others had protuding bellies and the guy who actually looked good was already built before he started doing SS.
I'm not sure this proves anything.
>>35203918
>Or it could mean that SS is a meme in terms of building an aesthetic body
No one is denying this. There's a reason you don't see bodybuilders (frauds and natties alike) do a strength routine 3 days a week. The reason people recommend SS to beginners is because it teaches them the big compound movements and builds an amazing strength foundation from which you can start doing a split or continue strength training.
>That's why there are so many people disappointed once they get strong but still look bad and so many "he fell for the SS meme" comments.
Has more to do with people expecting to look like a buff ripped cunt after 4 months of SS. No program is going to give you that, but instead of realizing this shit takes time, they blame the program.
>I'm taking from this conversation that Rippetoe has never been aesthetic.
Rippetoe jokes about bodybuilders being mentally ill and a real man weighing over 200lbs. Ripp cares about weightlifting, he wants to create strong strength athletes, not bodybuilders.
>>35203966
That's great progress for one year and an outstanding base to continue building on. If he started doing a split now he could look amazing in another year. 1 year isn't a long time.
>>35203969
I understand what SS does, but you basically agreed that shiposters have a point on the aesthetics front. That's it, really.
>>35203982
I'm not saying it's bad, but I'm also not saying only SS could do that. Come on, a brosplit would have done the same.
>>35204002
I agree that SS is not a bodybuilding routine, but I disagree that it's just a "meme". It's a proven program and method.
>>35204002
>Come on, a brosplit would have done the same.
another anon here, aesthetically, you're probably right, but strength wise nope.
And in a way the strength gains will help more in the long run.
I'm certain that less than 5% of /fit/ has actually read SS.
>>35204002
Maybe a brosplit could've done the same, but then the poster would've spent 5-6 days per week in the gym instead of 3 and his maxes would've been the working numbers if he did SS/SL.
>>35204022
Of course it builds strenght, would be stupid to contest that really.
>>35204026
>>35204035
Actually, comparing the pics, a brosplit would probably have given him better aesthetic results. He definitely got stronger than he would with PPL doing SS, but he would probably look better after a year brosplitting.
If you look at his side images, the change wasn't really that big.
>>35204030
I'm considering getting it for christmas, but is there really any information in it that can't be found on the internet?
>>35204064
It's a good read m8.
>>35204030
Not really. But it has some good info collected in one place. I meant it more for the people shitting on SS without even taking a peak at the book.
>>35204060
Hard to see the change when his muscles were covered in fat before.
Like, same with this guy
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/comments/1t7zmz/after_11_months_i_am_so_happy_i_can_post_this/
He looks like he has decent muscle mass which came out when he shredded the fat. You can even see one of his triceps heads.
>>35204076
Yeah but that was the guy that started the other discussion about SS because he did a brosplit though.
>>35204060
>If you look at his side images, the change wasn't really that big.
You're really delusional if you expected more after a year. He went from skinnyfat to that in a year, that's great.
>>35204064
Definately worth reading. You can torrent a pdf of it if you're unsure
>>35202218
You're a fucking idot
https://www.google.nl/search?q=average+male+body&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi4jY_q3NHJAhWFcw8KHTQKCnwQ_AUIBygB&biw=1920&bih=979#imgrc=IHtdE-cU4mp5FM%3A
>>35202974
> 2pl8 squat
> <1pl8 deadlift
please post pics of your body and even better a video of you deadlifting
