How do you know when you should bulk? I can never decide and end up in semi cut purgatory.
I currently weigh 90kg at 5ft9 at around 14-15% bf maybe a lil higher
cut down to 8% BF and bulk again to 14-15% BF repeat
>>35112790
uh if you weigh 90kg at 5'9" then you should be cutting because you're overweight
>>35112790
Post pic of your body?
No way you can be that weight at that height with only 15" bf
You are at least chubby
200 pounds at 5'9 and 14% bodyfat? That's pretty fucking big if you are natty. Cut.
>>35112812
This. My bff is 5'8 / 195 / 15%ish bf and looks silly. He needs to float around 175-180 to not look like a gatorade bottle.
>>35112801
/thread
198 pounds at 5 foot 9 at 15 percent is pretty fucking big. That's like 3 to 4 years of training as a natty so unless you've been lifting heavy for a long time you're way more than 15 percent.
>>35112790
sauce? literally teh hottest asian ive ever seen
>>35112923
photoshop
>>35112970
dude thats almost the same fucking picture
either way shes still the hottest asian ive ever seen
my dick is going to explode i need sauce
>>35112987
>thats almost the same fucking picture
You are fucking blind.
>>35112987
mate you need to compare the two pictures closer. the hips on the op pic are stupidly shopped
>>35112970
B R E H S . . . S H E R B
>>35113007
her waist is a bit wider so what? shes still 10/10
9/10 at worst
>>35112790
If you can see a 4pack, you can bulk if you want to until the 4pack vanishes, then cut back down to get it again. If you have a predisposition to lower bodyfat then you can bulk when you hit 6pack and cut when you can only see the top 2 abs.
Really easy to bulk/cut just looking in the mirror.
>>35113026
No, I prefer the non-shopped picture, but they're not the same.
>>35112803
>>35112810
>>35112812
>>35112853
>>35112883
Body pic incoming, body fat estimate is most likely off, i'm just basing it off of another picture, will post the body fat reference chart i used to estimate after.
This is the chart i used to estimate
reduced picture size.
anyone? ;_;
>>35113113
that chart fucking lmaooo
>>35113268
compliments go to google
Any bf estimates / advice on whether to bulk or cut after seeing the pictures would be appreciated
>>35112987
>>35113026
That's Suzuki Fumi Nana.
this whole bulking/cutting thing is the biggest fucking bullshit in fitness industry
>>35113650
Can you expand on this pls
>>35113113
Because having a low bf% increases your lean mass?
>>35113100
...more like twenty dog
>>35113710
>>35113710
train hard, eat right, enjoy results.
purposely getting fat to later have to shed the weight puts stress on your organs, increases your appetite and puts you through much pain during both bulk and cut. Why not just enjoy the ride and take your time, improving noticably bit by bit?
>>35114865
Kek. You know 24% is considered obese, right? OP isn't even chubby, just fat enough to lack definition, 15-16% is a fair estimate.
I'm skinny fat but I been doing cardio and lifting a lot so I can lost weight but what making me frustrated is that I have shit genetics. My forearms and wrist is the size of a 15 year old white girl. Is there anything I can do to make them bigger? Should I continue to cut because Im scared of my forearms being any Skinner?
>>35113100
>>35113100
>>35113136
>>35113136
There's no way you're 90kg
Either you're taller than you're saying or you weigh less than you're saying
You can't be 90kg at 175 and look somewhat average
>>35114972
you're right, multiple scales must be lying to me
>>35115067
But 90kgs at 175 should mean you look huge and bulky as fuck
I don't see it
>>35114972
>>35115067
also as much as i'd love to be taller 5ft10 is the tallwst ill get which includes shoes, pic probably show very well but my lifts are alright and i have pretty chunky legs which is probably where a lot of my weight is carried (used to play alot of rugby )
>>35115128
idk, im told im big by people quite alot, could post another picture later if it helps, am out atm so cant right now
>>35115136
>>35115163
Relax OP, it's /fit/'s dysmorphia at work. As someone who still has normie standards, you're a big guy. I'd cut just a bit more, till your abs are clearly defined, then bulk hard.
>>35114886
im not planning to do a dirty bulk, i just want to start at a low enough weigh so that i dont have to stop mid way to cut again
>>35114972
>>35115128
/fit/ is fucking hilarious.
They don't understand that the homogeniety of physical appearance they're used to is because they've all basically decided what's "believable" for body fat percentage or lifts or weight and height, and then repeat that lie to each other over and over until they actually BELIEVE that appearance in some random photo (with all the potential variables of angle of lens, angle of body, height of camera, distance from camera, lighting direction and quality, etc) can be any more than weakly indicative of things like body fat or weight.
>>35113113
that chat's wrong btw. 9-10% pic is actually 14-15% pic.
>>35114865
retard confirmed
>>35115323
No.
>>35115315
seconded
>>35115358
yep, sorry fatty, but you've got a ways to go before you're 9-10%
>>35115323
no if anything the 10% pic is more like 7-8%.at 10% you don't have THAT visible abs vascularity
>>35112801
Literally this and both should be really conservative bulk and cuts.
There's no rush here. I'm talking at most half a pound per week if you want to keep your gains both ends.
>>35115387
stop shitposting and get a life you fucking scumbag
>>35113113
The chart is wrong. Don't even bother with these fucking stupid charts they're made by fit tards why would you trust them.
The way to test if you should bulk or cut is with your own body.
Do you have visible abs?
No?
Cut for 12-16 weeks very conservatively.
Get shredded as fuck and then bulk conservatively until you look similar to the pic you posted BUT bigger.
Rinse repeat.
>tfw you've accidentally bulked at 1lb a week for the past 7 weeks
feels good. i've just been eating
>>35115406
>>35112790
now there is someone who knows nothing about dieting. you can easily cut at 500kcal deficit without even running the risk of losing muscle mass. thats a pound a week.
Easy calculation goes like this: first get a fucking caliper and measure your bf% yourself instead of asking deranged retards that are gonna tell you that you are at 20% bf. Its not that expensive. After you know your bf% you can calculate how much actual fat (lb or kg) is in your body. Since most books say that you can cut around 60kcal per kg of bodyfat you can easily calculate how much you can cut without losing fat.
Example: you weight 90kg and are at 15%bf. That means that you have 13,5kg of fat in your body. 13,5 x 60kcal = 810kcal. This number represents the max abount of calories your body can use from your fat storage per day which is kind of a rough calculation considering a day is a pretty longe time, but it still works out in the long run. If you cut below 810kcal you will lose muscle mass aswell as fat, if you cut above it, say at 300-400kcal you are just wasting time, because you could be losing fat twice as fast.
As for the question whether you should bulk or cut. Noone except you knows the answer. Do you have a specific goal in mind? like a body weight and bf percentage? Or is it simply getting as big as possible? if its the latter I would recommend bulking on. And if you do have a specific goal then you shouldn't be asking random people on the internet about their oppinion about what you should be fucking doing for fucks sake.
>>35115461
what do you mean accidentally? without lifting? if so enjoy your fat gains. If not and you are lifting then 1lb/week is the sweet spot for bulking, nice job bro.
>>35113113
womens 25-26%.. HHNNNNNNGGG
>>35115577
No it's not. You want half a lb per week. Your body can only put on 2 lbs of lbm in a month under IDEAL conditions as a natty.
1 lb a week would mean you're gaining half fat, half lbm (once again under ideal conditions, otherwise it'd be more than half fat) and that would make for a longer cut and your bulk will end sooner.
>>35112790
I knew an asian 15 yo with down syndrom with that body. Goddammmmmnnm
>>35115387
>Being this retarded
>>35115235
Thanks man, I appreciate getting some advice on this board, doesn't happen too often
>>35115456
pretty much this. if your abs aren't visible then you're just going to get fatter and lose more muscle when you bulk and try to cut back down to the visible abs you never had
>>35112790
>>35112970
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Goodbye no fap
>>35113136
why the fuck would you skip legs faggot?
If i met you in the gym id call you the fuck out for being a pussy. And trust me, people notice you dont do legs.
>>35118516
Nigga I squat 3 plate fine, try shit posting again later
>>35115553
Mainly just wanted to know if bulking now would be a good idea at my bf, am after a mix of strength and aesthetics, would like to look good but also try to get stronger all around.
Thanks alot for the help though man
>>35118162
news flash: it is nearly impossible to bulk effectively with 0 fat gain. a 50/50 bulk is the sweet spot, because you provide your body with the necessary nutrition to build the most amout of muscles possible. if you want to gain musscles without gaining fat it is possible, but you won't build musscle as fast as when you eat with a caloric surplus and gain some fat. thats a fact.
>>35115315
Agree. This board is way off with weight-height standards. They would notice if they'd actually go outside the basement
Not different from morons taking religiously BMI
>>35114972
This moron right here
>>35118648
you're welcome. As for my personal oppinion I think you should cut for say 2-3 months at previously mentionend caloric deficit that you will have to calculate for yourself. My guess is sth. around 700-800. Be carefull though, because while cutting your bodyfat amout changes and with that changes your max caloric deficit, keep that in mind.
The main reason is that if you keep bulking you will eventually get chubby/fat and that might influence your motivation. Also it will take longer to cut to a low bf% which sucks, because cutting is usually a frustrating period. The only good results you are getting are in the mirror and those develop slowly over time. Your lifts might go down and you might feel weaker, because a caloric deficite means that you will be hungry at times. So from my personal perspective I would recommend a short period of weightloss followed by some more weightgaining even though it sounds counterproductive.
