>Bench 2 per week
>make almost no chest gains
>have shoulder pain although good form
>start doing heavy weighted dips(inb4 fedora)
>only bench one time per week
>chest explodes
Why is the Bench Press STILL so popular among bodybuilders and people who lift for size?
>shoulders hurt while benching
>good form
Dips are even harder on the shoulder joint. Bench press is fucking childsplay compared to dips, at least if you use a narrow grip
>>35101666
genetics. my chest has been pretty good since i started lifting and all i ever did was flat bench. tried dips later to get stronger triceps, but they only hurt my shoulders.
Why is the Weighted Dip STILL so popular among atheists?
you might have been overdoing it with the weight.
pretty common especially in BP.
You shouldn't get shoulder pain from bench with proper form unless you never ever train your posterior :P
Is the incline bench really necessary? Can I do guillotine bench instead?
Dips are great for your shoulders exactly because they force some mobility on them. Good benching technique /will/ tighten shoulders. It may save your rotators from injury, but that doesn't prevent it from internally rotating and tightening your shoulders. good stuff Op. I superset them with facepulls and now my shoulders never bother me.
>>35101666
>shoulder injury from bench press
Let me guess, you kept your elbows at shoulder level and used an insanely wide grip?
>>35101784
>>35101715
No, elbows tucked in around 75 degree, scapula retracted and depressed
a bit off topic, but can push ups replace bench?? i'm not talking about some serious gain, just muscle strength and tone
>>35101814
push ups are very hard to overload past putting a plate on your back
>>35101833
i'm not talking about overloading, just body weight. like, can you get pic related body doing only push ups-pull ups-sit ups?
>>35101936
No.
>>35101666
>im shit at benching
>benching is shit for you
wut
Where are all the press fanboys?
Bench isfor fat powerlifters!
Eugene shadow ftw!
Just drop bench bro!
Ohp is my favourite lift!
>>35101936
no, he actually lifts at a gym probably 5 day split, lots of time under tension and has progressed to most likely intermediate strength stats
>>35101666
Are you tall? People with longer arms don't get as good of a chest workout from bench.
>>35101949
>>35101962
so what one needs to add beside these 3 then?
>>35101728
just fucking do the incline bench, you annoying cunt
>>35101936
No.
>>35101986
>scott herman
>intermediate stats
>>35101936
Yes , and don't forget to drink plenty of juice.
>>35101805
are you controlling the weight? you should be able to reverse the motion at any point of the lift and have no wobble in your bar path
>>35102001
>doing incline bench
>>35102001
Not possible in my home gym.
>>35101986
ok, so tell me, what kind of body can one achieve with this routine: 1.day, ~200 push ups, ~500 abs, 2.day, ~60 pull ups, ~500 abs, 3. day, squats, hamstrings etc.4 day rest. then repeat
>>35102132
a shit one
go to the gym if you wanna look good
>>35101987
not true retard
>>35102093
>not doing the best chest exercise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YSaxZBDev0
>>35102123
then don't
>>35102132
You can get fit with only bodyweight, it will take much much longer than with weights.
We used to have threads about calisthenics, not anymore. Look at r/bodyweightfitness.
>>35102132
If you wanna do bodyweight stuff go to >>/asp and look at the bodyweight training general
>>35102132
prolly this
>>35101666
>Dips
>Fedora
What is this vicious memery?
>>35101784
I legit did that all through HS in fb and the coach never corrected me. I got up to 250lb bench going straight guillotine mode...
>>35102187
>>35102200
>>35102209
this is the top, i don't even want more mass/tone than this. never mind the time needed, i got time, a year or two, no problem
>>35102184
>linking some no body lifter as your source
>>35102305
>Tone
Are you a lady?
>>35102060
Don't be silly.
He would have to train under 150xG to get a body like that.
>>35102305
breh if you want that body you need to hit the gym for 1 or 2 years
>>35102323
>greg
>80.000 subscribers on youtube as a natty
>nobody lifter
my source is his body, post yours
>>35102332
no, i say tone because word definition reminds me of this, which is just way too much for me
>>35102406
you're never going to look good
your attitude is wrong
>>35102385
>number of subscribers = credibility
sixpackshortcuts has 3.6m subscribers
>hes big, so he knows everything about bodybuilding
>thinking youtubers dont lie about being natty for gullible followers
you're a retard with non-arguments.
>>35102432
so what my attitude should be?
>>35102462
>you're a retard with non-arguments
I haven't seen any arguments from you either
>>35102305
You can get a decent back tho with high volume pull ups.
Also do dragonflags instead of crazy amounts of reps of ab exercices, that will get you a decent set of abs.
And try to do hand stand push ups.
You will forever have chicken legs tho
>>35102471
being the best
settling for toned and weak isn't going to get you anywhere
>>35102482
this
>>35102385
lol wo0t? 2 years of gym and all you've got is >>35102305 body? dude you're doing it wrong
>>35102498
post yours
everyone shits on progress but never posts a cb :)
>>35102498
judging by his mentality I stand my ground, also post your progress
>>35102482
i don't intend fitness to be 250% of my life. one hour a day with moderately healthy diet is enough.
>>35101705
bullshit, dips > bench all day
>>35102551
then you'll shoot past your goals in 6 months dude
90% of the people here don't even get that much
I work out like 4 hours a week and have a shit diet rofl
>>35101666
i dont get how your shoulders hurt from benching while doing weighted dips doesnt hurt you at all
other way round for me
>>35102476
>reading comprehension
You're using an opinion based source to support your opinion, with the argument that
>hes big so he must know exactly how to get big in specific areas
I'm sorry you can't infer arguments.
So many here fail to see that people have different goals.
Some strive after tone and muscle definition, others after strength and function. There are no "better" goals, only individuality.
>>35102060
lol'd.
Was juice a metaphor for steroids here, now I think about it? Even though he was being sarcastic?
>>35102479
i work my legs too, 70 kilos squats (my weight is 85), same for hip thrusts
>>35102611
and yet you haven't said anything to support your counter arguments
>he's a nobody lifter, doesn't know what he is talking about because there are well known lifters that don't know what they're talking about
>he's on youtube and sells fitness related stuff so he is on roids because there are people on youtube that sell fitness stuff and roid
cool generalizations and flawless logic m8
>>35102562
well i guess i'll keep >>35102551 style (bodyweight exercise), and strive for >>35102305 body. so we'll see in a year or so
>>35102712
you won't get there then
bodyweight bottoms out quickly
>>35102712
prepare to be dissapointed
>>35102720
well you know what, when i get to the point when i can do 50 push ups or 20 pull ups without breaking a sweat, i think i will love my body whatever it looks like. and i don't think it will look bad at all.
>>35102757
>i don't think it will look bad at all.
if you're skinny you'll look like a normal human being, otherwise you'll look like you do now
>>35101814
No, but you should be doing both and dips.
>>35102773
right now i find it painfully impossible to do even three pull ups without supporting with legs (putting them on a chair or something). so if muscles (dorsi mainly) will look the same with the ability to do 20, then let them be. i just find that hard to believe.
>>35102846
if you're fat you'll look the same
if you're skinny you'll put maybe half an inch on your chest
>>35102686
you don't need 'support' to point out non-credible sources. if you said "well my dad told me so", i dont have to ask everyone that knows your dad personally so that i have a 'source' for you to tell you that you're full of bullshit.
>>35102930
>non-credible sources
says who?
>>35102867
oooh, yeah yeah, sorry, my background, forgot to mention that.
started going to gym at the age of 18 (currently 25) because of spin problems, fast growth etc. and were in and out every few months (longest was 6 months with no pause). practically stopped completely at 22. when i started i was ~190 tall, 68 kios, so super skinny. now i am 85, not fat at all, just a bit around the belt. right now i'm exercising bodyweight at home (no cash for gym desu), for six months straight, and i can see muscle growth already (arms and chest especially). and i feel like i have just began.
>>35102945
I'd love to see you write a paper filled with youtube videos and things your m8 said as sources. tell me how that goes
>>35102974
I'd love to see how developed your chest is ;)
>>35101666
You're retarded, son. Your chest "explodes" not because of dips but because you finally got time to recover after benching and stopped falling for meme that you may workout one muscle group twice a week. Not unless you're on roids.
>>35103104
>2x a week frequency is bad if you are not on steroids
Idiot
>>35103104
retard.
I really need advices on making chest gains.
My routine is 4x8 of
Dumbbell press
Incline Dumbbell press
Dips
Chest flyes
Chest press machine
Cable flyes
I lift heavy on every exercices.
The first time I did this routine, I felt it right in my fucking chest and I was happy as fuck? But I did the same shit this week and I did not get the same feeling than the first time.
I took benching out of my routine cause I can't fucking fix my form and I take all the weights with my shoulders...
>>35105155
Forgot to say that chest is my weak point. I can't manage to gain mass on my chest.
While the rest of my body is changing, my chest reamains pretty much the same. It changed from the flat torso I had but still.
>>35105155
3x8-12 dumbell press and 2x12 flyes
>>35101666
because you need to target the clavicular head of the pec major to get an aesthetic chest.
too many people have underdeveloped upper chests and shoulders.
more heavy pressing and incline imo.
>>35102385
its ok breh.. people are too uneducated to accept greg as our natty lord and savior
hashtagintermittentfastingmastterrace hashtagItypehashtagout hashtagshitposting
>>35101705
>narrow grip bench
Nice tricep workout brah
>>35102323
he is literally at the natty limit
i like how half of /fit/ says he is roids, and half of /fit/ says he is DYEL
... i guess that is how you know you have made it...
>>35101666
>have shoulder pain although good form
>>35106205
>I don't understand how physiology works
you don't get adduction with a wide grip, you silly faggot.
feel the contraction in your pecs with your arms far apart vs closer together.
you get a bigger contraction (recruit more fibers) with your arms closer together.
don't fall for broscience myth.
if you are doing dumbbell, sure, start wide, and squeeze em close.
but for barbell, close is better for chest.
>>35102406
>i am afraid i will accidently become the leanest person in all of ever
kek
that is like saying i don't like to use the word hypertrophy, because it reminds me of phil heath, which is just way too much for me
why not just do both senpai
also chest activation in bench depends massively on technique; when i bench my chest doesnt actually contact as i retract my shoulders plenty and arch so gud
>>35102406
You will never achieve anything remotely close to this with your shitty bitch attitude so don't worry about it
:)
>>35106307
>implying he would achieve that with a better attitude
>>35102132
nothing. you should keep the exercise difficulty on a level that you can do maximum 12 reps. everything above that is endurance training, everything above 25 reps per set is cardio.
I would recommend r/bodyweightfitness if you want to start out fitness without going to a gym. There are harder progression exercises for those exercises you listed.
Doing the program you wanted will yield little optical results (even though 60 pullups per day is quite good). you will just be able to do more pushups, situps, etc.
>>35102305
oh how you will change. once you begin there is no satisfaction. it's like a drug. you will need gainz upon gainz upon gainz UPON GAINZ UPON GAINZ UNTIL YOU'RE COMPETING AND DL 20 PL8s BRO DYEL FAGGOT
>>35106333
That's why said anything remotely close breh
>>35106159
Heavy as shit I guess ?
>>35102305
Get the kynobody bodyweight program on 7chan
>>35101705
>dips hard on shoulders
don't ever give advice again
>>35106245
not the one you replied to, but you're dumb.
narrow grimp is for triceps.
>>35107304
nice broscience
but that isn't how physiology works.
a stronger contraction recruits more fibers.
>>35102625
I think he's referring to the staring aesthetics troll routine.
>>35107366
>everything i don't like is a troll.
its objectively shittier than greyskull, but it is a pretty standard bodybuilding routine tbhfam
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