ITT: things people say that scream not gonna to make it
I'll start.
>cheat day
>this is my last steak, I swear!
>just a snack
>i lift weights and eat in accordance with my goals
>cardio kills gains
>>35006740
>Im trying not to get TOO big.
>Im hungry
>wew lad, todays workout got a little intense. I deserve an off day.
>over training.
>i eat intuitively
>overtraining
><some food> is my kryptonite
>i need to get in shape for <some event>
>tomorrow
>i'm too tired
my mum is bad for all of this. she makes excuses like its too cold, i'm too tired, i'm too busy etc then wonders why i haven't found the time to show her how to lift.
>>35006740
>starvation mode
>half/quarter squats
>I'm doing SS
>I post on /fit/
My lower back hurts.
kek... pussy.
>i actually lift
>>35006740
>Jeff Seid is natty and I'll be just like him in a few years
>my legs hurt so much after leg day
>I don't spend 12 hours a day on an indonesian cartoons' fitness board and belittle everyone around me as much as I can
>>35006788
This x10000
>I'll burn it off
>>35006937
my ex-gf wrecked her back rock climbing and has 6 screws... and they once had to cut up her stomach to adjust them screws... if she can shit out a 9lb baby.
You can low bar or high bar squat... faggot.
>>35006891
>leg day
Every day is leg day though.
>rest day
There are days when you don't stay at the gym as long or weekends when you go backpacking. That is your rest.
>>35006968
Wrecked my stomach too. I can't do squats or deads anymore :(
>>35006740
>you must change your program each month bro, gotta confuse the muscles.
>I don't really care about my bodyfat until I still make progress on my lifts
>>35007006
but actually tho, confusing the muscles makes them aggressive. dat dere aggressive gains breh
>>35007006
maybe not each month, but adding new exercices every now and then is strongly recommended imo
>>35006740
>I'm Indian
>my routine is AxBxCxx
>>35006891
>tfw doing smolov and have ascended past DOMS entirely
>>35007043
>strongly recommended, imo
>strongly recommended by me
>humans are predators by nature
>>35007026
Fuck you man it's a fucking struggle. I've never lifted on a surplus I want to know what my body is capable of but fuck I'm too fat
>>35007105
yes, strongly recommended by me, because I've been training for 8 years now with various routines over the years. What's your point m8 ?
>>35006990
Damn what the fuck happened?
Alien?
"Mike Patton is a meme''
So sick of these DYELs
>>35006822
I did legs today I will do chest tomorrow
>tomorrow is an ok work F A M
I started losing weight these past few months and a fat friend of mine was inspired to start a diet with my guiding him:
>Order chicken and rice from a restaurant
>Tell him to order the same (inb4 ketofags get on my ass for carbs)
>He orders the same thing plus an extra meal, tells me rice and chicken don't satisfy him
>Drinks diet coke like it's water, tell him it's preferable to drink juice or just water
>Entire diet is fucked but he still drinks diet coke like it makes a difference
>Fucks up on the first week, can't stop himself from eating
>"I'll start tomorrow"
>Day after
>"I'll start tomorrow"
He actually gained weight these past few months.
>grill
>I just wanna tone up and look a bit better, i don't wanna be massive like those bodybuilder chicks
What are you hitting today?
>arms bro
>>35007538
This desu
>>35007611
>>Drinks diet coke like it's water, tell him it's preferable to drink juice or just water
what even.
breh, I got some bad news for you. you're not gonna make it
>>35007611
>Telling him to eat rice
>Telling him to drink sugar filled, calorie laden juice instead of 0 calorie diet soda
You're a horrible friend
>I'll see if I can do it
>Maybe
>that's a little too much for me
Basically anything I said when I started. Good thing my workout buddy is a hardass that wouldn't take that kind of talk.
>>35007677
>0 calorie diet soda
Most diet sodas aren't 0 calories, only zero calories sodas like Pepsi Max and Coke Zero are.
Diet Coke still has way too many calories in it.
>>35006740
cheat day has psychological benefits you colossal faggot. you obviously haven't seriously begun lifting if this is your mindset.
the two possibilities are:
a) you dont and never will lift
b) you lift believing the "dirty bulk works" meme
a cheat day can benefit in so many ways, not just to mix up your palette and keep your body from expecting the same things. a cheat day offers an achievable short term goal and a reward for doing so. the only bad thing a cheat day could ever offer is if someone abuses it and goes more than 500 calories over their maintenace.
why does /fit/ have to be full of fucking fat neets who believe every second post they read on here and then regurgitate it two weeks later. i came here to learn about fitness and nutrition.
if i wanted to hear regurgitated dribble based off nothing but faith in the person you read it from, id go to a religion board
>>35007718
RETARD ALERT
RETARD ALERT
>>35006755
This. Never stop eating that protein. No such thing as last steak.
>>35007677
I'm trying to remove his dependency on sugary things, a juice box a day is still better than 5 cans of diet coke a day. He'd get some nutrients or vitamins out of it at least. And regarding the rice, chicken and veggies simply aren't satiating enough for him. No carbs was not an option for him.
>>35007673
>breh, I got some bad news for you. you're not gonna make it
I was talking about my friend not me.
>>35007631
This is my bitch, i show her girls who can squat more weight than the average gymgoer and look awesome. she still says that she just wants to tone.
>>35007718
Read a label some time frend
>>35007751
>I'm trying to remove his dependency on sugary things, a juice box a day
what in god's name
>>35007751
>a juice box a day is still better than 5 cans of diet coke a day
No it is not you fucking retard.
Pic related.
Some zero calorie sweetners don't even spike your blood insulin (asparatame doesn't). Diet drinks are god tier for getting fatties to reduce their calorie intake easily. You're literally a gains goblin.
>>35007785
>>35007793
Get this, he won't even go for juice or water. Yes diet coke has of course less sugar and calories but I can't condone drinking 5 a day and not drinking any water.
>>35007837
Literally why not? If he could simply drink water he would have switched by now. He needs manageable and achievable goals to start moving towards his end goal and diet coke is literally the best way to start. Diet coke is a huge boon to anyone trying to lose weight and you're a faggot for taking it away from him. Even if he drinks 5+ cans of it a day.
>>35007837
DIET COKE IS BETTER THAN JUICE. THERE IS NO "HE WON'T EVEN GO FOR JUICE". JUICE IS BAD.
There is literally nothing wrong with drinking diet coke for a fatass, in fact it helps curb the appetite because of how filling it is. Replacing diet soda with juice would not help him with drinking more water and would make him consume even more calories. You know literally nothing about dieting and you're most likely harming your friend in many more ways if we can find this much wrong with what you say in one short greentext story.
I recommend leaving him alone.
>>35007751
>Regarding the rice
Or he could you know, eat more chicken and veggies instead of more rice?
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>>35007866
this desu senpai
I'm not lifting over 2 plate squat and 3 plate deadlift
i hate my lower back right now. I'm not gonna make it.
>>35007856
I didn't take shit away from him, I merely told him that other options were "preferable" and he didn't give it a second thought. I was trying to get him to lose weight the best way I can which is how I lose weight, by completely changing my habits and abandoning all that which was a staple of my diet before (even if it was diet coke). He eats 5 times a day but thinks that by drinking diet coke he's fine which is why it's bad for him, it's justification for his shit eating habits. I'm sorry I didn't mention this earlier in the conversation but diet coke has a psychological effect on him.
>>35007071
underrated
>>35007866
>>35007872
>>35007874
Guess I was doing more harm than good. What can I do to benefit him now?
>>35007744
triple dubs tells no lies
>I lift for the girls
> i play ranked in [moba]
shit is literally the gains goblin incarnate
>>35007922
Most people cannot discard their former life at will. One of basic tenants of behavioural modification is gradual exposure. You want to make (or inspire) small gradual changes that the person doesn't see as threatening and can quickly internalise. Then when you have that you want to build on that with further changes until your small changes amount to big difference.
When you're dealing with a fatty the best way to move forward is to not focsu on weight so much but to a) speak about their goals and inspiration hoping to kindle their internal intrinsic motivation and b) encourage and support SMALL changes that are manageable even without huge amount of motivation.
Yes, just drinking water would be better (but drinking juice would in no way be better, juice is full of sugar). But most people can't make such a massive switch and if they try their motivation will not be sufficient to keep them on track. This causes yo yo dieting.
If he drops 30kg and can bench 2 plates 6 months down the road sure, get him to quit diet coke. But until then diet coke is ome of few thinks he can enjoy without guilt.
>>35007986
Thanks for the advice. I guess my actions have been making him feel guilty during our encounters. Hope the damage isn't irreversible.
>rest day
>>35007954
>playing shitbas
>playing RANKED shitbas at that
tell whoever says that to go straight to /v/eddit
>>35007744
Protein is almost as abundant as B Vitamins, and most of the population consumes over the maximum recommended amount of protein for their body weight. One 8-oz. sirloin, for example, has over 100% of daily recommended protein. Meanwhile, it has no carbohydrates, no fibers, and it's missing a number of key vitamins and minerals. Nevermind the cholesterol, trans fat, and carcinogenicity.
To assume that meat, let alone red meat like steak, is necessary for a healthy diet is a fallacy. If someone is on a diet or is trying to get fit, and they are quitting eating steaks, that's actually a good health decision. By mocking that, you're clearly demonstrating your ignorance on this topic.
>>35006740
I did [activity] today so I earned [high Calorie treat].
>>35008082
Vegans are complete fucking gains goblins. Let me guess, 50g protein I'd the max intake you recommend for an adult male?
Vegans will never make it.
>>35007718
Wut
>>35008082
try recovering from training like an absolute savage 6 days a week on your "maximum recommended protein" you vegan kek, enjoy your no gains
>today is my rest day
>>35007718
Dumb cunt
I'll start [some arbitrary date in the future]
>jogging every day is bad for gains
>I don't want to go to snap city, so I will continue lifting an empty bar
>whatever, he's using gear
Fuck those people.
>>35006740
>just got back to training
>>35006740
>I lift for myself not for girls
>>35006842
>post meme about "SS is meme"
>not gonna make it
>>35010708
>he fell for the SS meme
>>35010552
Well I still have thanksgiving and Christmas, I don't want to miss out on the holidays
is there any way you can get skinny legs but still have muscle? im pretty atlethic but i still have fat legs, i guess its genetic?
> leg day
> i squat
> desu senpai
>>35006740
>I don't want to walk around with no neck.
>>35006807
>overtraining
It's pretty real though. The effects of overtraining are very immediate and difficult. Basically feels like depression. Sure, you want to avoid that, but you gotta know when to stop.
>>35010727
nah you're just fat and weak
>>35010780
Pussy
>>35010780
it exists but you're almost certainly nowhere near it unless you're a world class athlete or training several hours a day 7 days a week
protip: if you're not squatting 5 plates you could train more
>>35010780
It's pretty hard to do as an average person.
>>35010803
Go ahead and work out every single muscle every day for a month
>use to know what toning meant for normal fags
>learn to get /fit/
>normal fags ask me how to tone
>Give them bullshit answers that satisfies their curosity instead of a real program
Instant goals > hard work and dedication - This mind set will never help with anything in life
>>35010803
>>35010806
overtraining exists for novices and intermediates too. what you guys are talking about is overtraining in advanced athletes where it takes weeks or months to recover. it's not hard for a novice/intermediate to train so hard that performance suffers/declines, but it's not so dramatic since they recover quickly.
>>35010803
>went from 160 kg bench to 180 kg in 2 months
>natty, at 95 kg bw
>stalled
>insomnia for 1 month
>almost snapped my shoulder
>got sick and spent 1 week with 40 degree Celsius temperature
Yeah, tell me more about how overtraining is not real, dipshit.
>>35010806
>>35010796
>>35010780
Kek, it's funny. Being an endurance athlete I know a little bit about overtraining, and I'm sure this applies to weights as well. At my peakest few weeks last year I did 24 hours, 35 hours, 30 hours and then a 25 hours week, consecutively, 25% of those hours were "high intensity" (what you pussies who do HIIT for 20mins a week do). Literally felt great every single time I got on the bike. Never had a passing thought of overtraining, and I never suffered any consequences of it lol. (not even mentioning the 3 months before where I was averaging 18-20 hours a week and did some 6-8 hour days)
Overtraining just doesn't happen, unless you've been 'training' for like a month and decide to pretend you're professional
>>35010859
Sounds like you got the flu or something desu
>>35010530
Fuck you man maybe your stomachs a pussy because you can't eat 10 cups of broccoli in 1 sitting faggot.
>>35006740
>my diet says....
>>35007433
most likely being a sanic
>>35010873
I wouldn't have gotten it if my body wasn't fucked due to all the workload. These 2 months after I've hit my PR were fucking nightmare. Quit the gym for almost a year. Only got back into it 3 months ago, sitting at 155 atm.
At least I know my limit now and won't make the same mistake again.
>>35010725
>avoiding free bulk material that people will practically force you to eat
My cut starts the day after Christmas and its going to be godly. Already have my yo supply reupped.
See you nigs this summer
>>35007731
I bet you made some killer gains since you started lifting three months ago.
>>35010863
Cardio is not the same as strengrh training, rainman.
>>35010361
Approx. 0.37g per pound of body weight, so it's usually about 50–75g of protein for the average person at a minimum intake. Recommended intake is anywhere between 60–130g and maximum recommended intake of protein is about 160–210g. Anything above that is waste and simply converts to energy (kcals). At significantly higher levels, it can actually damage the body and strain your organs.
Go on, mock vegans. The fact of the matter is that veganism and vegetarianism (there is a difference) is healthier than a meat-filled diet. I'm not a vegan, and still occasionally eat meat, but I fully recognize that abstaining from meats is a far healthier dietary decision.
Perhaps you should do some research into the matter. It's clear that your current erudition is approximately fuck-all (i.e., /fit/ and BodyBuilding.com).
>>35010530
That's incredibly easy. Just eat enough kcals and increasing protein intake a bit to help with muscle repair. But that's assuming I would WANT to work out that intensely. I wouldn't, since that is not only excessive, but damaging to your body. Unless you're on steroids, you shouldn't be working out "like an absolute savage" (almost) every day.
>>35010780
>>35010796
>>35010806
>>35010863
It's morr real than yall seem to think, bros. Most PEs don't even know about it which is dangerous because as an average person you're more liable to it. It's called Rhabdomyolysis. Pretty severe, heard of a few cases.
We all want them DOMS, but not muscle fibres in our blood stream..
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhabdomyolysis
In saying that, us high performance athletes who stay well hydrated have no thing to fear.
>>35008082
Which is why we eat more than just steak.
Have you NEVER seen a list of the average /fit/izen's diet? EVERYTIME someone asks someone what they eat, it's always "Lean, 10% fat meat" and "a whole SHIT load of vegetables."
I demolish a 5 pound bag of broccoli in almost 2 days. Pound per pound, I probably eat twice as much vegetables as I do meat. It's all about moderation, my mang.
Also, you made me respond to low-tier bait, m8.
>oh I wanna work out but its so boring to do the same thing, I need to do an exciting workout blah blah
and then they do a "fun" class, and still don't stay consistent.
>>35010990
Unrelated but do you know how often you can realistically workout while on roids?
>>35007636
>>35011021
In other words, you eat meat once a day—which is still over your entire day's worth of protein—and have veggies (no fruits?) the rest of the day? Bullshit, I've seen the "average /fit/izen" eat meats and eggs throughout the day, as if it's a staple of each meal and every other snack. Regardless, you don't need to eat any meat AT ALL to get complete nutrition. Instead of eating that meat, switch it with legumes, lentils, or even bread and you'll get ample protein. Alternatively, you can eat bean curd (tofu) or wheat gluten (seitan), both of which tend to have HIGHER percentages of protein than red meats or even chicken. Unless you're stranded in the wild, eating that high in the food chain is completely optional.
Good for you for eating that much broccoli. That's almost all your protein for the day. Eat another pound, or eat any of the protein sources I mentioned above (there's more than just those), and you have all your protein. If you eat lentils or legumes, you can get complete proteins and achieve all daily intake recommendations for the ten essential amino acids.
>It's all about moderation, my mang.
That's an outright fallacy and you know it. Should I lace my foods with only moderate amounts of arsenic, since it's all about moderation? Or how about break my bones occasionally, since never breaking a bone is too extreme? That ancient Greek platitude is specious and logically absurd when fully applied. Just as I don't need to be consuming a moderate amount of fluoride, lead, or mercury in my diet because they're inessential, so too can I safely avoid meat entirely and continue to live a healthy life with a fully nutritional diet.
>Also, you made me respond to low-tier bait, m8.
And your petty appeal to moderation isn't bad? Regardless, I was stating my sincere opinion. You may think it's "bait" because /fit/ is retarded enough to treat veganism and vegetarianism as a running joke, but the needlessness of meat is an established fact.
>>35010803
I train 6 days a week and I'm an intermediate (almost at 1/2/3/4). Usually I'm pumped for every lift session, but when I do extra things like sprints, sets to failure, supersets, etc, I feel like shit for the next couple of days and I have no motivation to lift.
>>35011230
Get a load of this nigger.
Enjoy your leeching lo-test fagfood. Smh desu
>>35008082
>>35010990
>>35011230
Post body
>>35011230
you're retarded if you think the amount of protein recommended to normies is the same that /fit/izens need.
I'm not refuting your points that you can get enough out of other sources, but getting it from proteinrich sources isn't a bad thing. Stop pretending veganism is the only way of doing things.
cheat days are good because they keep your metabolism up when you're cutting.
>>35011328
Second.
>>35011328
This.
>>35011348
Oh god. I bet you just rev up your metabolism with super foods too?
>>35011423
he's actually right, you know.
>>35011430
Cheat days dont affect your metabolism. They just make your cut more reasonable wich helps you lose the weight.
>>35006740
>just one slice of pizza bro
>just one dick in my ass bro
>>35007071
>>35011430
Yeah your body totally goes into starvation mode after those horrible days where you still get more calories than 75 % of the worlds population you nigger
>>35011230
I'm 190 pounds and I try to eat around 160 grams of protein per day WITHOUT going over 1800 calories while on a college student budget.
I buy eggs in bulk and boneless, skinless chicken breasts. I buy cauliflower, broccoli, carrots, and peas. Sometimes, if I feel like it, I'll buy myself a tub of greek yogurt from costco. Among other things, they all have one thing in common which I like very much.
They're cheap.
My family is Korean, and so they like to cook a lot of traditional Korean foods using bean curds, like silken tofu stew. Even so, silken tofu stew won't help me reach 160 grams of protein per day, and it's not like I want to just eat soup all the time.
The only place that sells seitan in my city is Wholefoods, and I'm almost certain the prices on Wholefoods seitan is manufactured. 38 bucks for 18 ounces, but it's really only 8 ounces of seitan when it's drained (Also, I live in Hawaii, so getting things shipped here means I have to break the bank).
Vegan protein powder is even worse, and it's literally nearly thrice as expensive as my usual whey powder.
Maybe you're not trolling. Maybe you're really sincere about all this; that's fine. I'm not gonna go ahead and lynch you for it. But from a purely nutritional standpoint, there's really no hard evidence that can conclude moderate consumption of non-processed meat is really any worse for you than any other diet.
If you want to argue ethics, you got me there. I'm completely untrained in debating the ethics of veganism, so I wouldn't have much to say; but as far as healthy eating goes, I just don't think you're right about it.
>>35011460
>They just make your cut more reasonable wich helps you lose the weight.
that doesn't make any sense. They do affect your metabolism though. A refeed is necessary to prevent stopping your metabolism.
>>35011487
>what is a reference point
I'll give you a little experiment. Drink at least 1,5 gallons of water a day, for a week. Then, suddenly, stop drinking water. you'll shed water weight in no time. this is not to make you lose some weight, it is to show you that your body adapts to new stimuli very quickly, and how influential a reference point is.
>>35008082
>>35010990
>>35011230
Post pic faggot.
>>35006779
fuck you
>>35011346
And you're retarded if you think /fit/'s pathological obsession with protein is anything more than a serious concern. /fit/'s recommended intake of protein (which is really just whatever BodyBuilding.com recommends), which hovers at around 200–350g, is neither reasonable nor even safe. Protein over a certain amount is wasted and is used as energy, like carbohydrates, except they're more difficult to break down and turn into energy, which puts strain on the body. At much higher levels, such as the amount I just specified, that can actually damage your body or, in rare circumstances, be fatal.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16779921
Protein is essential to healthy bodily functions. Simply meeting recommended daily amounts, and completing each ten essential amino acids per day, is sufficient to satisfy this nutritional requirement. Any further protein is just used as energy and is less efficient than carbohydrates, and at high enough levels can be detrimental or even dangerous to one's health.
>but getting it from proteinrich sources isn't a bad thing
It isn't, which is why I recommend protein-rich sources like legumes, lentils, and wheat. Meats, however, are excessively high in proteins and tend to have poor micronutrients along with them.
>Stop pretending veganism is the only way of doing things.
I'm not, but veganism and vegetarianism is much healthier when it comes to a complete nutritional profile. There are other diets that can help one lose weight or stay within healthy ranges, but I am not aware of a single diet that is more efficient and complete than a plant-based one, especially one that incorporates high amounts of meats.
>>35006740
>no homo
>>35007731
>why does /fit/ have to be full of fucking fat neets who believe every second post they read on here and then regurgitate it two weeks later. i came here to learn about fitness and nutrition.
It's a board on 4chan
>>35007071
>designated
>>35006740
>I hate the taste of water
>>35011611
>keeps his shitposting
>doesn't posts pics
I can't take you seriously if you don't show me your progress, nerd.
Also, nobody here actually believes you have to eat a gorillion calories, you just made that up
>training for strength
>>35011611
>hovers at around 200–350g
I've literally never seen anyone who isn't roiding say they eat that much, and I've been here for 4 years. You're extrapolating this one post you happened to see to the entire population of /fit/.
>I recommend protein-rich sources like legumes, lentils, and wheat
But those aren't protein rich at all, you queer. I'd have to consume over 2kg of lentils to get my protein for a day. No fucking thanks, I'll be fine with some chicken breast and quark.
And post pic, you fucking homo.
>>35011300
>Mean serum insulin-like growth factor-I was 9% lower in 233 vegan men than in 226 meat-eaters and 237 vegetarians (P = 0.002). Vegans had higher testosterone levels than vegetarians and meat-eaters, but this was offset by higher sex hormone binding globulin, and there were no differences between diet groups in free testosterone, androstanediol glucuronide or luteinizing hormone.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/
Eat shit.
>>35011328
>>35011395
>>35011416
No. >>>/hm/
>>35011733
>Mean serum insulin-like growth factor-I was 9% lower in 233 vegan men than in 226 meat-eaters and 237 vegetarians (P = 0.002).
>willfully missing out on 10% of your gains
lmao.
>>35011733
Congrats on reading the abstract faggot, are you actually the VG guy?
If you don't post pics, then everything you said doesn't need any rebuttal.
>i post on 4chan
seriously i haven't been on in here 4 months. been too busy actually going out with my housemates and socializing. life has never been better.
get the fuck off this shitty site and go do something.
>>35011492
160g/d of protein is on the high side, anyway, and is actually close to the maximum recommended daily intake levels for some people. But if you want to reach that goal, you can easily do so by replacing that meat with vital wheat gluten (seitan), whose protein tends to be a HIGHER percentage of total energy than meats. Beans and lentils are also incredibly cheap, cheaper than meats in many circumstances, and completely satisfy your protein goals—they're complete proteins, too. In my opinion, Whole Foods is a marked-up scam store that panders to people who are GMOphobic and keks of Big Organic. Seitan is also frequently sold at major grocery stores, including even Walmart, so I recommend checking elsewhere besides Whole Foods.
Regardless, it sounds like your socioeconomic circumstances, coupled with the scarcity and high importing costs of living at Hawaii, limit your diet significantly. I'm sorry to hear that. While I still think you can still meet your protein goals without meat (and your protein goal is a bit high), I definitely understand opting for meat because it can be cheaper. That's what my family did, before we started doing some research and checking for alternatives. I live in the mainland US (Texas), though, so it's not as expensive here.
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>>35011230
Meat is a staple you emaciated buffoon.
>>35011492
>>35011809
>But from a purely nutritional standpoint, there's really no hard evidence that can conclude moderate consumption of non-processed meat is really any worse for you than any other diet.
What of the carcinogenicity of meats, especially when cooking it? What of the fact that most meats tend to have horrible macronutrient–micronutrient ratios and primarily consist of proteins and lipids, whereas plant nutrients of the same energy can achieve similar protein intake with much higher micronutrients? There's also the matter of how our teeth, saliva, stomachs, and gastrointestinal tracts evolved to eat and digest fruits and vegetables as dietary staples, with meat being much more difficult to process given our anatomy. I could try to find some sources on these claims, though I don't have any saved and will thus have to look on Google Scholar and elsewhere where I know I could find some further information.
>If you want to argue ethics, you got me there. I'm completely untrained in debating the ethics of veganism, so I wouldn't have much to say; but as far as healthy eating goes, I just don't think you're right about it.
I've been trying to avoid using ethical arguments; since this is /fit/, I should probably stick to the nutrition of it all. I think there are strong ethical reasons for abstaining from meat, along with a variety of other reasons, including the massive impact on global warming and the gross inefficiency of global meat production. The ethics of meat consumption is a whole other, and arguably more complex, topic than the mere nutritional factors, though, so it's best to leave that out for now. Anyway, in my opinion, the nutritional benefits of a plant-based diet—or at least a diet wherein meats are a specialty—are strong enough to alone justify a switch.
>>35011733
>>35011809
Post your pics or get out vegan fag. Let's see how "healthy" you look.
>>35011815
>I'm strong and masculine, I eat meat
Vegan and vegetarian fags are basically NWO shills that want us to eat protien bars in a perfect worker utopia.
>>35011829
>There's also the matter of how our teeth, saliva, stomachs, and gastrointestinal tracts evolved to eat and digest fruits and vegetables as dietary staples, with meat being much more difficult to process given our anatomy.
That's entirely wrong, on every fucking level. Our body digests virtually all animal matter it intakes, which is why diets high in animal products can lead to nasty constipation. Read a fucking high school bio text book you delusional faggot, Jesus Christ. You seriously must have flunked out of school.
Source: literally any fucking high school bio book from this century.
>>35011858
Yes, that's exactly what it is you emasculated head of cattle.
>>35011829
>What of the carcinogenicity of meats
>one of THOSE people
I get that a basic knowledge of what you eat is useful, but there's a point where you're overthinking it. just do whatever you want, but stop trying to convince people you are right.
>>35006740
>I can't get enough protein/How do i get more protein
>I need at least 1g of protein per lb
>Cardio kills gains
>Chest/leg/arm day
>Zyzz is my role model
>Le cookies are ready
>Women like roidscum freaks
etc etc
>>35007866
Wait I thought diet sodas sharpen appetite because they aren't satiating at all, they make your body expect an energy source that never arrives.
Honestly though anyone who "can't drink water" is an overstimulated weak willed baby that will never make it.
>It's okay if eaten/drank in moderation
>>35011922
>>35006846
only good post
>>35011698
>actually discussing nutrition in a thread that was originally shitposting
>accusing others of shitposting in a shitpost
You can go fuck yourself. If you want to "'mire", go to >>>/hm/.
>>35011710
>I've literally never seen anyone who isn't roiding say they eat that much, and I've been here for 4 years. You're extrapolating this one post you happened to see to the entire population of /fit/.
Except I've seen that specific range of daily protein intake mentioned, recommended, and reported multiple times on /fit/, and it's obvious that most /fit/izen's daily protein intake falls in that range. What, do you think you can eat the absurd amounts of chicken and eggs, not including all that whey protein powder, and not hit over 200g/d?
>But those aren't protein rich at all, you queer.
Excepting seitan, chicken, and whey protein powder, they're among among the most protein rich out there. You're obviously using a distorted and arbitrary definition for "protein-rich".
>I'd have to consume over 2kg of lentils to get my protein for a day. No fucking thanks, I'll be fine with some chicken breast and quark.
You are aware that most everything you eat has protein, even fruits and spices? I barely eat any meat and I ALWAYS get AT LEAST 60–90g of protein a day. In any case, you're just making excuses for your deitary complacency.
>And post pic, you fucking homo.
The irony.
>>35011772
>Your statements only matter to me if you show me your body. Fuck facts and evidence, that shit is stoopid!
What a fucking fag. And I don't know who "VG guy" is.
>>35011836
>>>/hm/
I never said I was vegan. Actually, I've specified multiple times that I eat meat.
>>35011900
I didn't say that meats were indigestible, you literal retard. I said that they were more difficult to process, which is an undeniable fact.
If you're only able to respond by shamelessly reducing my points to strawmen, then you aren't even worth my time.
>>35011991
>its ok to behead in moderation
>>35011927
>you're overthinking it
Which is a myth propagated and disseminated by people who think that thinking too much is a bad thing. It's a fucking excuse to not think "too deep" into things, as if that is EVER a bad thing. Yes, I care about the carcinogenicity of my foods because I don't want to get cancer. This isn't mere paranoia, but a scientifically substantiated and legitimate concern about whether my nutrition contributes to any future malignancies.
>just do whatever you want, but stop trying to convince people you are right.
In other words: "I don't care about nutrition or whatever, and your arguments inconvenience my current lifestyle, so you should shut up and stop trying to convince me because I don't want to be convinced." What a fucking joke.
>>35011991
Refer to >>35011021.
>>35007636
>>35012026
I wasn't talking to you, faggot.
>>35012007
pics you shitlord.
>>35007954
b-b-but im master in league family
>>35012026
alright, here's a thought for you. what if meat isn't any more carcinogenic than plants or whatever, but it's just that they've had more research put into them? If you consume enough water, it'll give you fucking cancer.
Oh and did you know that even walking outside is carcinogenic for multiple reasons? Taking a plane is sure to be a death penalty, not to mention having someone in the same room take a smoke. I'm sure you're one of those people who actually goes out of their way to ensure ALL possible sources of cancer are removed from their lifestyle. Right?
And even if you add all these sources up, you end up with a probability to get cancer of a few percent. Eating less or more meat isn't going to change that significantly. Stop worrying and start living.
>>35007751
>bro, I browse /fit/ all the time. I'm practically a personal trainer!
>we'll get started on the treadmill today, here's your second juice box
>>35012007
>You are aware that most everything you eat has protein, even fruits and spices? I barely eat any meat and I ALWAYS get AT LEAST 60–90g of protein a day. In any case, you're just making excuses for your deitary complacency.
>I am made of money
I eat a couple of bananas on a day. This gives me around 6 fucking grams. Yeah almost the 60-90 you get. I mean, good for you, but I don't get that much from my alternative sources. I eat a lot of meat and a tub of quark before I go to bed. No protein powder, if you actually believe me.
>you're just making excuses for your deitary complacency.
what? I'm not saying it's perfect, it's far from it. I don't eat nearly varied enough. I admit that. I'm not sure you're the guy who keeps posting the fat guy from that one cartoon, but if anyone is, that's the guy who's dietary complacent.
>>35012007
Implying you are going to be mired kek.
Too afraid to post pics it seems
>>35012094
The reason why meats are considered more carcinogenic is of the chemicals used and produced during cooking and processing, the methods whereby they're cooked (especially high-temperature methods), and how they are digested. This is why colorectal cancer in particular is associated with the consumption of red and processed meats. Some plants have naturally occurring carcinogens and anticarcinogens, but there is no evidence of carcinogenicity among the vast majority of plants. While it's possible that this could just be the result of gaps in research, I seriously doubt that. In fact, that is a specific claim that could be scientifically studied and concluded in a meta-analysis of current research on carcinogenicity in meats and plants. Care to cite that meta-analysis? Or, let me guess, it doesn't exist?
>If you consume enough water, it'll give you fucking cancer.
[citation needed]. I'm pretty sure that's bullshit.
>Oh and did you know that even walking outside is carcinogenic for multiple reasons?
Now you're just trying to employ sophistic ambiguation to try to undermine the integrity of my claims—claims, by the way, which are scientifically substantiated and a simple Google search could tell you as much.
>Taking a plane is sure to be a death penalty, not to mention having someone in the same room take a smoke.
And now you're exaggerating to soften the strength of my claim.
>>CONTINUED<<
>>35012094
>>35012536
>I'm sure you're one of those people who actually goes out of their way to ensure ALL possible sources of cancer are removed from their lifestyle. Right?
No, because that's physically impossible and you fucking know it.
>And even if you add all these sources up, you end up with a probability to get cancer of a few percent. Eating less or more meat isn't going to change that significantly. Stop worrying and start living.
Actually, each 50g of red meat you consume a day constitutes a 18% increase in chances of colorectal cancer. That's about two slices of ham a day, or a 2-oz steak.
Come back when you actually have a substantive reply, not just specious, empty bullshit.
>>35012166
>>I am made of money
As if it's actually more expensive. That's a fucking excuse and if you bothered to check into how much it would cost to go meat-free, you'd see that it's less expensive. Tell me, how much does it cost for a bag of beans and rice? Is that too costly for you? If so, then I hope you can make it out of the slums of Kenya and join me in the rich world of $14,000/year split among four family members here in the United States.
>I eat a couple of bananas on a day. This gives me around 6 fucking grams. Yeah almost the 60-90 you get. I mean, good for you, but I don't get that much from my alternative sources. I eat a lot of meat and a tub of quark before I go to bed. No protein powder, if you actually believe me.
Maybe it's because you depend on meat for your protein like a staple while neglecting to make sure your side dishes have much protein. Perhaps if you rearranged your meals so that your main dish is a plant-based protein and your side dishes also had sources of protein, you'd be able to easily exceed 90+ grams of protein a day (not that you need that much, anyway).
I'm just giving my opinion based on what I know and the evidence I've seen before me. Ultimately, your diet is your decision. I personally think that you can easily achieve and excel your current dietary goals by eliminating, or at least minimizing, your dependency on meats and eating a wider variety of foods. You'd be surprised, as I definitely was, to know just how abundant protein is. If you don't, then good luck with your diet.
>>35006937
your back is now made of metal, you should be stronger
>>35006740
>I'm 5'10"
>>35006990
at least you are ripped right?
>>35006990
Your abs look pretty shredded.
>>35006990
shit if you were fucking ripped that would look sick tho
>>35012688
>>35012549
>>35012536
>>35012026
>>35011809
>>35011733
>>35011611
>>35011230
>>35010990
>>35008082
>>35011475
underrated response kek
>>35006807
I had been lifting 3 hours a day for 6 weeks at a 1400 cal defecit because I believed the whole no such thing as overtraining meme then I started to have all the crazy nightmares and I'd wake up feeling so weak that I couldn't pull my blanket over me. overtraining is very real and very possible for anyone that is an ex athlete or that really wants to change themselves.
>>35007538
What is Mike Patton connection with /fit/?
>>35006822
>>i'm too tired
That's a legit thing, autismo. The body needs rest.
>>35006740
>Lifting less than 6 months.
>I go by how I feel
topkek.
>>35010863
>Long distance running.
>Same response as big boy lifting.
bro this is embarrassing.
>>35013489
Sleep tight, pupper
>i'm not between 5'11-6'1
>>35006807
I remember the first day I overtrained. Depression, night sweats, high fever, and brown pee were the first symptoms. Went to a doctor who said I basically fried my balls and had to put me in TRT until my body was restored, and then had to restore me balls. Feels good, man.
>>35012007
Using a "ur gay" strawman and linking to /hm/, I bet you're wiz khalifa/Auschwitz mode.
>>35006982
>leg day is for pussies
I agree, every day is leg day.
>>35011005
Overtraining is cns fatigue and Rhabdomyolysis is joint inflammation from repetitive use you idiot
>calling others fat when you are fat yourself without doing anything about it
>>35007183
>I've been training for 8 years now
oh, so you must have a killer body, then....
pic?
>>35008082
>hi, my name is vegan faggot, and i have a less than tenuous understanding of protein anabolism
>>35008082
>trans fat
>in meat
fucking kek.
you don't even know how isomerization works, do you?
>>35013769
Actually, I'm overweight and it's partly because I ate way too much meat. Cutting out most of the meat from my diet has caused me to shed pounds and feel better than ever.
>>35013919
I never got why people reply to posts that are over a day old.
>>35013959
>Hi, I'm literally retarded and can't read. I mistakenly believe that protein anabolism only occurs with meat proteins (because I'm literally retarded) and I mistakenly assume that this guy is a vegan despite how he said he ate meat (because I can't read). Here's my shitpost. Did I do good, /fit/? Show me your body plz~~
>>35013973
Are you seriously so ignorant that you are unaware that many meats have naturally-occurring trans fats?
>>35014033
>>35013489
Sleep tight, pupper
>>35014033
You have truly mastered the art of satire
>big boned
>>35014033
>>35014133
>He said "retarded", so let me call him retarded! I'm original!
I understand that you weebs are double-digit, two-bit dipshit degenerates and all, but I'd like to think that you had a shred of novelty in you. Then again, your animes are just cliché rehashings, so I suppose it shouldn't be much of a surprise.
Feel free to suck a gun anytime.
>>35014133
>>35013959
>>35013363
>>35014192
>animes
The plural is anime. T. anime expert
>I'm fuckin zyzz brah
>>35013580
You're a clown, there's no pint in correcting you. But I'll do it anyway, the reason you were having crazy nightmares and extreme weakness is because you were eating 1400cals a day. Idiot.
>>35013363
Carlos!
>>35006740
What does "making it" mean?
>>35014376
You just made it braj.
>>35011829
the only good thing about new year's eve is that we get a new comic from Sir
>>35007631
So god damn annoying
>>35012549
I've actually read the article about the red meat and muh cancer, and if you knew anything about statistics, you'd be telling another story. Stop parroting what the media tells you.
Come back when you've actually read the study.
