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Steroid General
Friday night shitposting your feels away edition edition
Previous edition edition has gone missing
Cause I couldn't post it earlier
>>34981940
Some states are 10. Kansas is 7.25.
I'm getting 7.50 for sacking groceries and I've been at this job for a year and I'm one of maybe 3 people that work here that aren't actual retards. Groceries and stupid people piss me off
Anyone tried 1-test cyp?
On 2 pins a week of the stuff, worst pip I have ever experienced and I'm nearly 3 weeks in, I'm rotating between each VG and my technique is usually perfect.
Am I ever gonna get used to the stuff or?
Bit slow 7night
>>34982441
Post some nude chicks and it will solve.
Fucked my back up s m h
Last few months I've broken my finger torn some shit in my foot and now this
>>34982482
What in the fuck are you shitting on about
>>34982473
I got pale ass?
brehs, for a first cycle dbol kickstart: 30 or 40 mg? I was thinking of 40 just to play it safe in case it's underdosed like it's most of the times with UGLs
>>34982527
Fine. Keep working!
>>34982528
30 is fine if it's decent
Got a bunch of alin Balkan dbol and ended up taking like "120" mg plus a day lol
>>34982550
aight bro but is there a noticeable increase in gains, from 30 to 40 in your opinion?
Is there a cheating/fraud wiki?
>>34982569
Nah not really
50 or 60 maybe but that's bloat headaches and tits territory
>>34982578
There was one being made but I edited a bunch of shit and the Blackman deleted it iirc
Guys when does sustanon kick in? I've been shooting 1g a week, mondays and thursdays 500mgs. When should I feel it kick in?
>>34982596
Hi bb. Wish you never left our chat. Tho desu after the past few weeks, you probably dodged some headaches
>>34982638
Lol what happened
Wife baleeted it
I was about to say lets make a group text but that's basically the exact same thing but more annoying
>>34982605
Like a weekish
>>34982657
Smh wife.
It turned into slut trolling us 12 hours a day.
>>34982685
lol wot
Doesn't seem like him
Canary said it was fukt
>>34982685
Is slut still seeing the hairy vegan that won't give him sex?
>>34982712
Yes. He put the tip in last I heard.
>>34982705
He's like JM level of absurdity.
I still enjoy him but man does he know how to rustle
School was getting harder so I left.
>>34982752
Left what's app I assume, not school
Is he still skellington af?
Hey guys, quick question. My second cycle:
500mg Test 1-20w
800mg Eq 1-18w
dbol 40mg 1-4w
Got my AI ( Aromsin) on hand, unlimited supply, how much should I start off with?
>>34982775
Can I have some of your unlimited supply of asin
My supply is limited
Go 12.5 eod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du80mlxWwfo
YLYL: God tier edition
>>34982775
I would hold off till week 3 for dbol.
Lethargy is a motherfucker even with test kicked in. Couldn't imagine without
>>34982830
i've only ever seen dbol used to kick start cycles. it's a very damaging compound, isnt it?
>>34982852
You can use it to kickstart, get over week 7 hump at end it whenever. It's just as damaging week 1-4 as it is 3-7 or 12-14 etc lol. The toxicity is really overexaggerated as well. Drinking a 6 pack a day is just as bad imo and plenty of people do it regularly. Much longer than 4 weeks.
>>34982768
You're correct
6'3 175
Did not leave school
Just got back from mexico
Hella hella cheap pharma grade ancilliaries, walked in to multiple farmacias and they offered me test, deca, and clen lmao
>>34983058
The dude told me that they stopped making pharma var a while ago, and most shit youd find is prolly fake lmao
>>34983058
>>34983080
>lmao
You're a fucking tool
>>34983209
lmbao at your comment
(laughing my black ass off) at your comment
>>34983209
What makes them tools
Pharma grade var is rare I have only had it once.
>>34983237
It's not really rare just expensive. Comes in 10mg and cost more than an equal number of UGL 25mg caps. Tfw UGL is a recognized acronym in my phone kek.
Someone is banging this chick right now. How does that make you feel?
>>34983294
triumphant since this c.uck is having my sloppy seconds
>>34983294
Don't care, tons of hot chick's are getting banged.
Sometimes it's me sometimes it someone else
>>34983310
wew lad
How much does a cycle of tren e cost in the US
how bad is accutane on your liver exactly? i'm taking a mild dose (70mg/week), it's fine if i drink once a week (about 10 drinks), right?
>>34983394
How long? Cycle is bretty broad
For a 15 week cycle of test-c at 600/week
Would cost me 200 dollars and some change
I known people get it cheaper then that
>>34983394
>>34983420
I read that wrong, for tren I pay 50 dollars for 4 weeks worth.
>>34983227
now I'm lmao
Black people don't know how to use computers
>>34983429
How did you come across tren. I've been looking and no results.
>>34983394
tren e at 200mg/ml goes for 40-70$ per vial.
>>34983480
>wants to use tren
>doesn't know how to find it
i don't think you're ready.
>>34983480
I buy from people face to face.
The only way I have ever bought my gains.
>>34983497
>implying you don't start somewhere
I didn't claim i'm ready just getting information and planning
>>34983619
my point is that since you don't know where to find tren, which means you've probably never used. it also looks like you're trying to start with tren, which is generally frowned upon.
actually i forgot this is 4chan, yolo blast tren 1st cycle.
>>34983480
Fucking google it you nog
>>34983619
>>34983619
Yeah you prob should not start with Tren.
You need to do a test cycle first.
Then cruise for a while then blast test with Tren after you know how you handle the test soon you can tell the sides are either tren or test.
Any thoughts on taking Clomid during a test only cycle? I have heard from a friend that 25mg MWF can help prevent shutdown, is this bullshit broscience?
>>34983704
yes.
might be interested in hcg though, depending on what you want.
>>34983704
Don't do that.
Take an AI
>>34983653
Seconded.
I don't even fuck with tren.
It has the most sides out of any compound so using it on a first cycle would be very idiotic.
>>34983741
I was already planning on taking a small does of Arimidex, but if there were anything I could do to avoid shutdown/make pct easier by taking something during cycle that would be amazing.
>>34983735
What do you mean by what I want? What is the main difference between HCG and clomid.
>>34983803
I'm lost shutdown is part of doing gear.
Hcg during a cycle will cause more damage then good.
Hcg will keep trying to start up your testes production and the test Wil cause shutdown.
I can't find the article that it explained it a lot better then I am now.
But long story short the hcg during cycles is not proving to be as good as people think it is
>>34982320
Is it worthwhile at all to do a dbol only cycle? I'm an ex drug addict so I refuse to use needles anymore. I've heard post cycle from dbol you lose all your gains and I'm at a point where I've been stuck at a plateau for like a year and a half.
>>34983939
No it's not worth it desu senpai
Everything cycle should have test as a base
>>34983939
>ex
No probably not worth it
>>34983939
I understand your x drug fuck head or whatever.
Don't do a dbol cycle
Run test it's not herion
Hello fit, just did 2 hours of squats and then talked to a qt gym gurl. I pinned this evening and am going to take a gun course tomorrow. AM I alpha yet?
>tfw so used to picking up girls on tinder, and random places, that I've forgot how to talk to girls I might legitimately be interested in dating.
Tren destroying my relationships preemptively.
>>34983939
>I'm an ex drug addict so I refuse to use needles anymore.
that line of thought is so fucking backwards. just because it's in tic tac form doesn't make it not a drug, and the fact that you've "sworn off needles" doesn't mean you're not a piece of shit anymore.. drug addicts are trash. you're trash, you will always be trash, and you will be never be anything more than an emotional parasite on anyone who used to give a shit about you. kill yourself
>>34984074
>so used to picking up girls on tinder, and random places, that I've forgot how to talk to girls I might legitimately be interested in dating
>>34984075
the fact your this upset makes me laugh, post pic i want to see how big and tough you are!
>tfw roids again
fuck yeah
>>34984092
i said
>that line of thought is so fucking backwards. just because it's in tic tac form doesn't make it not a drug, and the fact that you've "sworn off needles" doesn't mean you're not a piece of shit anymore.. drug addicts are trash. you're trash, you will always be trash, and you will be never be anything more than an emotional parasite on anyone who used to give a shit about you. kill yourself
where does how much muscle i got factor in to what i said?
f-farmer is that y-you?
>>34984110
Because you sound like a tiny little c.uck thats dyel as fuck so he tries to talk shit over the internet and is an edge lord that listens to linkin park and drowning pool when he squats 125 lbs.
>>34984090
The more random sluts you fuck, the more you just crave a chill, down to earth qt to be with.
>tfw can't keep that alpha man-whore mentality without permablasting.
>>34984094
whats your living situation like that you can do that while being in military?
>>34984141
how would any of that factor in to what i said? you're human trash
>>34984183
what do u mean? u just pin and shit not like they give a shit
>>34983459
Who is phone?
>>34984183
Worrying about putting a needle in your ass when there are crazy motherfuckers waiting to put a bullet in your ass with you being in the military.
I think you need to focus a lot more on turning yourself into Solid Snake so you dont get your ass sent home in a casket. I've heard stories about guys on gear crashing in a warzone who end up dying because they did something stupid because they weren't thinking clearly from close family friends in the military.
There is 1 ifbb pro in the military but hes an instructor so hes not deployed very often but if youre actively being deployed I dont think its a very good idea
>>34984163
>still wants to stay a man-whore
>>34984184
you seem upset little man, is it because you don't even look like you lift?
>>34984246
dude what the fuck with the trannys man. Why don't you guys just post regular women without bulging brow bones and narrow jaws with fake tits, fake asses, and fake pussies
do you want everyone here to get aids like charlie sheen just got. That shit was a fucking warning for you guys. He got it from banging trannies no normal women
>>34984260
lol. It's not fucking Nam. Shit's nowhere near as dangerous as you think.
You know how many US soldiers died in Iraq+Afghanistan this year? 21.
>>34984264
You know, at this point it's just all I really know how to do. I'm also getting over a case of oneitites where I just found out she's a full on lesbian.
Might have to start upping my AI dose.
>>34984260
Wat
>>34984094
Fuck yeah
>>34984278
memes aside: you seriously come across as being a little addled in the head. you can't really form a coherent argument, you kind of just string together words. i would bet that when someone gets to know you, they can tell that there's something off about you. they might not assume that you're a "reformed" drug addict off the bat, but eventually they'll realize it, and they'll distance themselves from you because of it
thinking of going to one of this guys classes, what do you think
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnCMYkRAr3Q
>>34984264
>165TestU400TrenE
y such low doses
>>34984298
Lol, if trannies looked anything like that, i'd be all over tranny porn.
>>34984306
>I just found out she's a full on lesbian.
I have a friend this kept happening to. For a while we called him "The Lesbianator"
>>34984301
Ok this terrorist craziness is going to end with the majority of you being sent and probably a good chunk of the male population being sent off in the next world war.
You guys there will probably be the first ones to go so if youre gonna do it do your research and get it done. The majority of the people here are here for the lulz and to fuck people up to get a laugh when they come back complaining.
>>34984329
another tranny with a bulging brow bone. I guess thats ones way to lower the population when you guys bang em and get aids right :)
>>34984301
We are not going to be in peace time forever. Its not part of the plan anon
>>34984318
retarded
>>34984318
>>34984356
he teaches you how to be alpha
>>34984318
Those two are some of the greatest pua's around since the beginning who mystery and the rest of them learned from. Watch their stuff on youtube and check the net for other things for them but I have yet to see someone complain about their services. They usually have money back guarantees if you arent satisfied with their classes but dont quote me on that
>>34983397
well
just washed it down with some whiskey. heading out for the night.
#YOLO
>>34984319
Just cautious, I actually added 250 test e and dropped the test u for now but I'm lazy. Might blast a gram or so in January.
>>34984318
>>34984372
money back is good i need to learn to have sex
>>34984329
do you or does anyone find tits like that attractive
srs question
>>34984364
>>34984372
my roommate does the inspiration speeches and shit. it's all a scam. you're not receiving a good, and you're not getting a service. you're paying to get hypnotized by a greasy little shit who found out that insecure guys are loose with their money and easily swayed
>>34984298
pls post real girls
>>34984398
>>34984318
but money back
>>34984408
you won't ask for your money back, because you'll put him on a pedestal and think that it's your fault the class didn't work and not his. after all, he's the teacher for a reason, right?
>>34984339
I don't think you understand how world politics work. There isn't going to be another world war in the foreseeable future.
>>34984350
More trannies for me then.
>>34984390
If people didn't find them attractive, then women wouldn't get them.
>>34984388
they are very good at that. I don't think you'll be disappointed. I can think of a handful of instances where refunds were given and you usually have to do it midway through the course which usually takes place over a few days.
>>34984390
They find the 12" shes packing attractive. I work with a lot of trannys and the stories I could tell you of some of the most macho guys talking about their tits before hitting their knees to deepthroat that 12" would make your jaw drop
Usually for them the breasts are an excuse for them to do it. They look ridiculous dont they?
>>34984398
>get hypnotized by a greasy little shit
Getting hypnotized by a greasy little shit, in this case IS a service. Although definitely one I wouldn't pay for.
>>34984403
pls post anime girls
>>34984423
grills have tit dysmorphia like dudes have muscle dysmorphia
anything over a b is groce
>>34984423
>If people didn't find them attractive, then women wouldn't get them
that's not necessarily true, body dysmorphia and related things exist in many forms. but i'll take that as a yes from you thanks
>>34984398
Ok first please dont compare your roommate to the two in those video because I assure you he doesnt make as much money as they do since he is living with you!
Obviously if its not working after you spent money you ask for a refund. Did you see me tell him to just hand over his money OR did you see me tell him to do some research into his material before making an investment?
So youre roommate is competing with Caitlyn Jenner as an inspirational speaker. Tell him I said good luck with that
>>34984442
>anything over a b is groce
U serious? Anything less then a c, is pretty much unfuckable.
>>34984442
tfw no anime girls saved on pc
tfw your anime gril is kind of cute
i must stay true to 3d
>>34984298
Nigga pls
just wondering if it would be legal if it is not prostitution , i don't want to have sex i just want a nice man to give me a hug or maybe hold me a little while i fall asleep, i would really like it if he would whisper nice things to me
i could make a list of nice things for him to say
>>34984423
This is 2015. If you actually think there wont be a war before 2050 you are delusional period. I hope by that time you are long out of the military but Call of Duty is popular for a reason. Just because its peace time now doesn't mean it stays peacetime forever.
Politics are a side show for the idiots while the real people behind the scenes get shit done.
Type in "stupid dumb animals used for foreign policy" into a search engine and see what comes up.
>>34984466
my roommate actually makes around $2,000 per session. he has a lamborghini or w/e. he actually used to carry around a backpack full of stacks of nothing but hundred dollar bills. surface level individual, i caught his oneitis myrong when she caught me playing the blues shirtless
>>34984478
over a d is literally not even a person anymore
more by weigh of silicon than girl
disgusting
>>34984488
of course shes cute
shes 2d
>>34984491
get a daki
>>34984489
still trying to trick them men into banging trannies huh. Its not my fault they were born men...
>>34984497
Does he have a Lamborghini in the Hollywood hills where he keeps his books in his 47 bank accounts?
>>34984497
thats awesome. Im not surprised but you know the saying there is a sucker born every minute. When people see the high price point they assume its a "superior" service. What the fuck is he doing living the nigger lifestyle living with a roommate driving a lamborgini. It sounds like the niggers dealing coke living in some apartment driving a bentley or ferrari. What the hell is he doing have a oneitis as a hypnotist lel
>>34984506
I'm starting to realize that you've been trolling us to post more women.
mfw
>>34984519
no, but he does pay that guy money every month to watch his videos. serious. the whole "inspiration" thing is a massive circlejerk
>>34984075
>>34984527
it's a dorm. he also does happen to be a drug dealer tho
>>34984551
Dude thats a big deal to leave out the fact that hes dealing drugs. If hes making enough to buy stuff like that then hes probably got the attention of the feds anyway?
and hes doing it in school living in a dorm. I wonder how long until he makes the news.
Wait a drug dealing hypnotist. Thats a first. Whats he studying in school
>>34984491
You should look up cuddle clubs. I got invited to one, but never went, kinda weirded out by the idea of some dude cuddle raping me.
>>34984496
Of course there will be a war between now and 2050. But a war and a world war are two entirely different things.
As it currently stands, nobody could hope to fight anything other then a guerrilla war against the US, who's military spending is is greater then the GDP of most nations on earth. It'd easily take decades before even a coalition of like-minded nations could catch up.
>>34984502
>more by weigh of silicon than girl
Natty tits get way above a d. pic related
>>34984551
Stop posting about me
>>34984570
i doubt he sells enough to get the attention of the feds. his dad's rich and money begets money so probably 90% of it isn't his.
he's not a hypnotist, he just likes tricking people out of their money. talks about how he owns his own business (he's part of a pyramid scheme) and they pay him to hear him talk and lots of them join under him in the scheme. he original wanted to study chemistry or some shit but he failed his lab because he decided to skip one without realizing that they're all 100% mandatory, so now he's studying philosophy. oh and he's indian
>>34984585
>gross milk filled bags that age like milk
please
>>34984585
so albert pike talking about world war 3 was just him talking shit like the niggers on the corner huh.
25 years really isn't that far away honestly but i guess i think long term
the pieces are currently being put into place to make a 3rd war possible with the 1,000s of thinktanks currently employing countless people towards making this a reality.
>>34984611
>Indian
Your roommate, I no longer trust your life choices
>>34984585
As far as cycling you probably want to use compounds associated with greater performance and not just sheer bulk
>>34984635
yeah i know. all the memes are true btw. seriously they are.
>>34984611
I wouldnt be surprised. Isnt it amazing how the rich kids are absolute fuckups and STILL wanna act like the niggers do. India will be one of the main power nations in the future so im sure he'll move back to India like the rest of the leeches and be fine.
It would be a good idea to keep him as a contact for the future though. You never know when you could use those connections especially when theyre loaded
>>34984624
>albert pike
Pls be tolling
>>34984639
Wot?
>>34984660
i don't need contacts. i really care 0 about money. i care about eating and playing music and that's about it. i don't even know his last name, we don't hang out at all
>>34984720
Suit yourself brother. Personally I like boring the Tesla to pick up Tinder dates and banging em before pumping and dumping em. Rich friends are awesome.
>>34984682
How is Albert Pike trolling again?
>>34984729
yeah i don't date and i neither pump nor dump. if not for my massive porn archive i might think i was asexual
>>34984754
Different strokes for different folks man. I was the same way for awhile. Its the massive porn archive
cam4...youre welcome ;)
>>34982885
>The toxicity is really overexaggerated as well.
This.
Dbol is great for a sense of well being and major size gains and pumps.
In fact the pumps are too much for me to do anything but accessory lifts, no heavy compound lifting can be had :(
Winstrol is surprisingly effective for strength gains, quite androgenic and goes with creatine almost as well as anavar
I was an idiot and got wasted while ive been taking halo. Didnt take it that day but did I kill liver?
>>34984729
He let's you drive his car that's pretty tight
But him being a Indian outweighs that
>>34984792
1 night wont kill you but you keep it up and youll be on the transplant list in no time
Getting pimples and almost what appears to be gyno onset. On 25 mg dbol and 600 test e a week. On day 8. What gives. I take 12.5 mg aromasin EOD. Would bumping my AI to 12.5 mg ED help enough?
>>34984792
nah man, 99% of people get wasted and are fine and 99% of people who do roids are fine. you'll be ok
>>34984816
how long have you been using steroids?
>>34984816
Is pic you?
>>34984792
>halo and alcohol
Alcohol is much more than additive with other hepatoxic compounds, cut that shit out. ya goofed.
I was doing 30mg halo only for 5 weeks leading to track meets. Fucking sprints and androgens are bread and butter. Thats one of the most amazing benefits on halo is that you can do wind sprints like fucking mad and recover like it was a neighborhood jog
>>34984836
He said 8 days silly.
>>34984849
i meant lifetime
>>34984855
Welp that checks out, carry on.
>>34984836
First cycle. 8 days in. Have really mild adolescent gyno though.
>>34984816
>gyno after 8 days
It's most likely water retention plus your already flabby nip sacks. Take it easy on the sodium and monitor
>pimples after 8 days
Likely a hygiene issue, you're gonna sweat more and produce more sebum. Scrub with washcloth and salcylic acid. Do a mild 10-15% glycolic peel for 3 days once per week.
If you get cystic shit, you might want to consider switching compounds, or dropping dosage.
If cycstic becomes chronic, cut out all orals and get on accutane. Do not fuck around with cystic acne or you will end up with ice pick scars and discoloration that you will really regret.
>>34984894
I have an appointment with a dermatologist soon to get accutane. Is it wise to get a low dose accutane as an insurance policy at this point?
>>34984951
FBI dot gov
>>34984964
>>34984964
Fbi is murrican you idiot
>>34985009
Gee thanks I didn't know that let me fix it
Maple syrup dot gov
>>34984928
I'd rather go for broke and get that shit over with 60 mg a day for 70-90 days and you won't have to worry for at least several years.
The low dose long term just means side effects and blood work for a protracted course. I get nosebleeds and night blindness on even low doses.
>>34985020
>>34985020
>>34984964
This is the kind of people that post on /fit/
>>34984928
Most dermatologists are hesitant to cut straight to accutane for mild-moderate acne. They can be a hassle because they get more money from visits by doling out half measures like topical creams and antibiotics. Tell them that clindamycin and erythromycin give you stabbing gut pain because that stuff isn't worth a shit for most acne anyways.
>>34985090
We don't talk sources here faggot.
>>34984624
>>34984496
> world war 3
Never happen. If you had any idea of the weapons we have now; you would think nothing of nuclear weapons. If modern 'warfare' were about killing, you'd already be dead. They will, however, change your ideas and troll the fuck out of you.
> Politics are a side show for the idiots while the real people behind the scenes get shit done
Yes, but you're missing a key component. The real people behind the scenes all agree. There is one side.
>>34983939
No not worth it, don't be a fucking pussy I used to shoot up too and I still inject my hormones daily slut.
>>34985226
Im well aware of the tech available now. The vrill living inside my body told me about it ;)
>>34985226
and come on i know everyone who isnt a jew is a goy and goy are cattle but there are certain plans that people arent going to stop trying to accomplish no matter how long it takes
>>34985264
He's not actually an ex drug addict, for a start, I doubt ex drug addicts even use goofy textbook terminology like 'ex drug addict' anyway.
He is literally just scared of needles or too lazy to learn how to pin
Any chance moderate test dosage could fuck my thyroid function?
>>34985110
Thanks anon, here's a picture of a rare pepe as reward.
why did my shitty fallout joke get deleted
Did someone think I was leaking source names or something because buffout is a fictional drug you sillies.
>>34985360
My nigga.
>tfw when I was addicted to buffout before ever roiding
I-I j-just needed it to arm wrestle a supermutant.
>>34985581
>Tfw no sluty tatted up bimbo to pin me
hi everyone, im new to /fraud/
I have dropped my stigma against gear, and am interested in doing a few cycles
do you guys know if there is such a thing as a healthy cycle?
I have only just begun looking into it, and it looks like deca, anavar and low doses of Test-e are relatively tolerable
short term side effects i can deal with, My primary concern is long term health effects
I am near the natty limit, I simply want to run 1-2 cycles to fill out my physique and hit some lagging body parts, then i will be finished with gear
any help would be much appreciated
>>34985750
>near the natty limit
post pics
>>34985782
i have a ton of friends who frequent this site, and i would rather be anonymous
its fine for you to assume im not near the natty limit, i dont give a shit. Just looking for advice
Im about to perma cruise on the following
250mg of test e7d
100mg deca e7d
250iu HCG e4d
50mg anavar (2 weeks on, 1 week off)
what do you think? I lift an hour every day and do about 90 min of yoga a day.
>>34985796
dont include headshot. you do give a shit.
>>34985808
I have done that before and been recognized
I really dont know why you care so much, I just want to learn more about gear. have you nothing better to do then challenge people on their claims for no reason?
>>34985797
i hope that test is test u. why not 30 mg anavar ED no time off?
>>34985662
Hold me breh.
>>34985750
I wouldn't recommend running anything other then test and maybe a well tolerated oral for your first cycle.
The more stuff you're running, the harder it is to tell what is causing what side effect.
If you're thinking about running just a couple of cycles to "hit your natty limit" you might want to rethink roiding. Once you are off, you're going to slowly lose the gains you made on.
>>34985797
Dat deca forever I'm jealous desu.
Also that all looks fine besides that perma var
>>34985750
>then I will be finished with gear
It don't work like that homie.
>>34985835
my impression was that as long you continue lifting, there is no reason you would lose muscle if you dont surpass the natty limit
i was reading that deca could even be beneficial for long term health in very low doses, do you know anthing about that?
what can you typically expect from one cycle of say, test-e +deca+anavar
so far it seems those three are the mildest, am i missing some others?
>>34985750
>tfw had to search archives an the past 5 fraud threads to bring this to you
http://pastebin.com/ys7xXYkL
just curious, what BF% are you?
i would avoid deca first cycle, probably var too since i don't trust it.
>>34985850
do you mean gear can be addicting, and thus hard to stop? or some other reason?
>>34985860
thx m8, i didnt know there was a pastebin for /fraud/
any particular reason to avoid deca?
why do you not trust anavar?
>>34985860
BF%
probably around 14% right now
i am gonna start cutting this spring
i wont be using any gear until im at least sub 9%
>>34985859
>i was reading that deca could even be beneficial for long term health in very low doses
source on that pls
you never know how much you'll keep when you cycle off. everyone's genetics are different. pct, diet, training also have a big impact. you'll never know though until you do it.
>>34985873
it's best to start with 1 thing. you don't want fat tits and not knowing if it's from estrogen or prolactin. it's good to know how you respond to each thing before you add in another.
>why do you not trust anavar?
a lot of it is faked, or weak compared to pharma. if you get pharma, then go for it as long as you're okay with spending the money.
i bought var 3 times. the first time i think was var, the second was more like dbol and the third made me shed hair so i think it may of been winny.
>>34985904
"
Deca Durabolin has been well noted for being an excellent steroid for those suffering from muscle wasting diseases, for improving geriatric weakness and fatigue, as well as anemia. Deca Durabolin has also been used to treat certain forms of breast cancer, has been life changing for severe burn victims, and even has the ability to treat ulcers. It has also been shown effective for treating pituitary deficient dwarfism, as well as development retardation in children. While Deca Durabolin has proven beneficial in all these areas, it has truly shined is in its ability to treat osteoporosis. This isn’t surprising when we consider the bone mineral content and collagen synthesis improvements. However, in the U.S. the compound is only used to treat those suffering from HIV and anemia, but some physicians are beginning to recognize the potential for therapeutic rejuvenation plans. Undoubtedly, at a low dose this steroid could provide a positive anti-aging benefit."
this is taken from
https://www.steroid.com/Deca-Durabolin.php
what are typical prices for safe var? how about enough test for 1 full cycle?
>>34985865
Because you will realize that gear is fine.
And you will blast and cruise
lets say i just run 1 12 week cycle of test-e
what kind of mass gains should i expect?
and most importantly, do you think i could avoid getting any negative long term effects if it was simply 1 cycle
>>34985831
I care because I consider myself very close to the natty limit and wondered what someone else in my situation would look like.
>>34985931
i suppose if i were to do that, i would be a "fake natty"
I am not interested in being massive, I play a functional role in society and am not interested in being stigmatized as a "bodybuilder"
>>34985946
Welcome young lotus.
I would say you are at the natty limit, if not a year or less away.
Yur lifts are solid and so is your body.
We glad you are here it was only a mater of time
>>34985797
I don't think I"d permablast any oral
>>34985859
>the natty limit
This is the main problem. "The natty limit" is sort of a terrible vague idea.
Natty limit on a good diet, or a perfect diet? 1 cheat day a month? A year?
Are you lifting 3 days a week for an hour? Or Twice a day, seven times a week with 2 hours in the gym and cardio on top?
>what can you typically expect from one cycle of say, test-e +deca+anavar
Everybody is different. The same dose ( and how accurate a dosage will vary wildly between "labs") will effect everyone differently.
I really wouldn't run anything but test, and maybe dbol on a first cycle.
>>34985961
Yu have any idea how much gear you have to do to look like a body builder.
You can blast and cruise low doses you will never stand out. You will just look good and feel good.
>>34983080
maybe if you had half a brain you could confirm, using google, that your friend is an idiot parroting stupid untrue shit. and you are an idiot for parroting it again like you believe him. why the fuck are you tripfagging? oh yah, this is /roids/ where every fuckin twat has a trip. youre an idiot.
>>34985922
okay, so you did the same thing i did. looked at all the steroid profiles. i did the same thing and picked all those 3 things for my first steroid run. my reasons were different then yours though, but if i were to go back with gains in mind i wouldn't do that.
var is 10mgx50 for 52$ (good quality)
test is ~30 per vial. depending on cycle length and amount of test taken it varies. but vials are 250mg/ml 10ml total usually.
>>34985945
>what kind of mass gains should i expect?
can't really answer since different for everyone. depending on how you eat maybe like ~20 lbs with ~10 of it muscle.
>do you think i could avoid getting any negative long term effects if it was simply 1 cycle
most likely.
>>34985961
>>34985973
this
>>34984260
what the fuck are you talking about.... so you have a tour coming up that you've been training for, and have had plenty of god damn advance notice, probably about a year or so, knowin you are going overseas to a combat zone, and you don't PCT off your steroids? are you an idiot who retells bullshit stories in real life or just online?? lol @ dying because they were crashing off gear. you are a fucking idiot.
>>34985973
I am more interested in health and longevity then gains.
that being said, does anyone feel there is a very mild cycle that can give me some good gains while not hurting my longterm health whatsoever?
>>34985962
Looked in the archive and I'm the same weight as I was three years ago... Feels potato
>>34985797
>>34985833
how dumb are you guys? everytime I pop my head in here and read some of these posts I wonder how people can be so dumb. yeah have fun taking anavar for the rest of your life you moron. god, some of you are so stupid. Ithe shit I read in these threads, honestly.. I wonder how the public schooling system failed you all so badly.
>>34985981
thanks m8, very helpful
you said, if i were to go back with gains in mind, i wouldnt do that.
what do you mean exactly? is there a cycle you think would be better starting out?
>>34985976
nice reading comprehension breh. he said a pharmacist told him. did you google and verify this? because i certainly didn't.
>>34985995
oh, okay. just an assbutt. meansameguy
>>34986011
nice dubs (You)x3
you know var is probably the safest oral around and given to kids?
>>34983480
ummm basically every single UGL out there as well as fucking amazon.com has tren. are you an idiot IRL too or just online?
>>34985999
Idk bro I'm not a doctor
>>34986008
Yeah man you at that limit.
I say you do a cycle to push some limits
But then again I'm a fraud so..
Anyways off to do some squats.
>>34986018
the reason i took deca and var is because of it's benefits with collagen and joint health. (desu not sure about deca with this)
imo it was more problems then necessary. dealing with so much, not knowing what caused what.
read the pastebin. it recommends beginner cycles. just test e, ~500 a week. pinned every ~3 days.
>>34986019
dude just shut the fuck up. go ahead and run a methylated steroid for the rest of your life and see how many years you make it before you turn yellow and die. you are a fucking moron who reads shit online like "anavar is the safest steroid" and parrots it without using his fucking brain to do some real research and come to an educated conclusion.
and as for the Mexican pharmacist telling him anavar is no longer being made by a pharma company.... yeah... what are you trying to argue with me about? that hes right because hes a Mexican pharmacist? hes clearly wrong . everyone in here is fucking retarded. just shut the fuck up and run your stupid cycle.
/fraud/ is full of dudes who I look better than having never even cycled, and also having never cycled I still somehow have a better working understanding of these compounds you all talk so casually about.
yeah... run anavar permanently. go ahead. you should be fucking banned from every taking AAS just because you think that's at all safe to do. idiot. good god. it gets worse in here every god damn week.
>>34986028
If I ever do I'll be long gone from chan. Conflicted feels.
>>34986008
Yeah, but that was a bulk three years ago r-right?
>>34986049
you took anavar for collagen synthesis? are you a burn victim? did you not read the first fucking study that pops up on pubmed about how anavar actually decreases collagen synthesis in mature osteoblasts?? you are a fucking idiot too. jesus Christ.
>>34986050
You don't look better than us get lost kid
>>34986054
Yeah I understand them feels
Okay I'm out foreal
>>34986049
i see, may i ask what kind of problems you ran into using deca and var?
My understanding was those are very tolerable. I also have some joint issues, so I was hoping to include those in my first cycle. but if its a ton of trouble i may do them in a second cycle, if i decide to do one
you think i could do a
12 week test e 500 cycle
with zero long term negative effects?
>>34982527
>>34982567
Pale asses make me diamonds
>>34986066
bro, ive seen pics of many of the posters here. aside from the guys who are just beasts like mastest and even that faggot JM, most guys that post in here I achieved better physique naturally. im going to blow you guys out of the water when I start running AAS.
>>34985973
Too bad her kid is in the back there
Otherwise total milf I guess
>ayy lmao
Shitposting between sets again
The regular bullshittery been happening?
what is your guys experience with trying to acquire gear? is it pretty difficult? how long did it take to get once you began shopping around?
>>34986098
stupid ass question
>>34986091
>shitposting between sets
so you are basically this generations version of that guy who reads the magazine between sets ... nice intensity. not.
>>34986062
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1828036/
Results: Increased nuclear fluorescence of the androgen receptor and increased cellular type I collagen were observed with oxandrolone at 15 and 30 μg/mL but not at lower doses. Alkaline phosphatase (7%–20%) and osteocalcin (13%–18%) increases were modest but significant. Short-term treatment produced no significant effects, but at 5 days androgen receptor levels were increased while collagen levels were significantly decreased, with little effect on alkaline phosphatase, osteocalcin, or osteoprotegerin.
Conclusions: These data suggest oxandrolone can stimulate production of osteoblast differentiation markers in proliferating osteoblastic cells, most likely through the androgen receptor; however, with longer treatment in mature cells, oxandrolone decreases collagen expression. Thus it is possible that oxandrolone given to burned children acts directly on immature osteoblasts to stimulate collagen production, but also may have positive effects to increase bone mineral through other mechanisms.
>Thus it is possible that oxandrolone given to burned children acts directly on immature osteoblasts to stimulate collagen production, but also may have positive effects to increase bone mineral through other mechanisms.
I am still at the stage of having an almost superstitious fear of gear due to my lack of information
The use of anabolic steroids will suppress natural testosterone production; however, the rate of suppression varies from one steroid to the next. Anavar is one of the milder suppressive steroids on the market, but most men are typically encouraged to include exogenous testosterone into their supplementation plan. Failure to do so could result in a low testosterone condition and the bothersome symptoms associated. It is, however, possible to supplement with Anavar without falling into a low testosterone state; high end performance doses will suppress total serum levels by approximately 50%, but even with a 50% reduction some men may find they’re still in a healthy range. This will be highly dependent on the individual’s natural levels, but most men will still find exogenous testosterone therapy to be warranted.
As with all anabolic steroids, once use is discontinued and all exogenous steroidal hormones have cleared the body, natural testosterone production will begin again. Natural recovery assumes no prior low level state, as well as no severe damage to the HPTA through improper supplementation practices. Recovery will not occur overnight, it will take time. For this reason, most men are encouraged to implement a post cycle therapy (PCT) plan once all steroid use is complete. PCT plans should include a SERM such as Nolvadex or Clomid, and often benefit from the use of HCG. Combining all three will provide the most efficient recovery.
My biggest fear is that my natural test will be lowered long term from even a mild cycle. is this fear completely unfounded?
>>34986115
Nobody's going to read this wall of bullshit bitch nigga.
>>34986105
I sincerely hope putting people down anonymously helps you feel better about your life...
I guess i just hope things improve in general for you brah
hang in there ;_;
>>34984496
you are also an idiot.
>>34986105
It's okay, I'm not disturbing anyone else by doing it
>>34986115
>My biggest fear is that my natural test will be lowered long term from even a mild cycle
Why should you give a shit when your natural test level plumets as you get older?
You should be going the other way with this and cruise for life to maintain high test levels, as well as use peptides or HGH as you get older to maintain as youthful body as possible.
>>34986112
fuck you are retarded. you posted the abstract of a study supporting exactly what I said and proving yourself wrong. then you greentexted the conclusion and posted it as evidence and it is obvious your reading comprehension is fucking fucked because it again, supports exactly what I said.. you are fucking stupid.
bone mineral density is also increased by raloxifine. do you take raloxifine for collagen synthesis? no. well, maybe you would. you are fucking stupid.
>>34986098
if you can post on 4chan, you can get steroids
>>34986067
>i see, may i ask what kind of problems you ran into using deca and var?
the var being not var and making me shed hair
deca is okay, but the bloat from it wasn't nice(started at a not desireable BF% because my goal wasn't muscle with it) can be avoided if low BF.
deca just kind of allows you to work through it, it just kind of masks it. could just be like an extra cushion to help protect.
if you want healing peptides like cjc or tb500 would probably be better.
>with zero long term negative effects?
pct properly and most likely.
>>34986146
well... i would rather not have to buy chemicals to inject into my body for the rest of my life?
am i missing something here?
>>34986157
So what you're saying, is that you want to inject hormones into your body, with no risk of negative side effects (impossible)
Then get big and lose it all after you stop taking those hormones?
Also are you assuming somehow that you'll live forever and that from the moment of birth your body isn't in a constant state of deterioration?
>>34986146
yeah, because you speak from a wellspring of knowledge and experience.
the one guy being rational in this thread and asking the important questions and morons like you tell him to YOLO it.
>>34986115
do your research on it. nobody in here is going to give you a reliable answer.
>>34986123
when I come in here and see a bunch of morons parroting stupid ass ideas and totally incorrect information as well as the YOLO mentality it just sets me off. you guys are the joke of the underground steroid online world. do not come here for good advice.
>>34984491
I'll hold you.
Can't promise I won't get a boner tho
>>34986156
>var not being var
did you run mass specs on the substance in question to confirm this? or do you just automatically believe that var doesn't lead to hair shedding because you read this on a forum online?
I don't doubt you got fake var im just sayin you deserve it for thinking you are gonna increase collagen synthesis with deca and var. you obviously did about 10 minutes of "research" (asking here for advice and then being dumb enough to follow it)
>>34986157
>am I missing something
yeah, you are assuming that the person giving you advice is able to objectively differentiate between his goals and yours
>>34986170
Or maybe I'm saying in a roundabout way that he should just not do steroids at all if he's going to pretend he has some chance of living forever without any problems.
You get old, your test production fails. That's just a fact.
If you're concerned about long term negative effects of hormone use, DO NOT USE HORMONES while you are young.
Wait for natural levels to fall apart, because they will, and start supplementing then.
No more worrying about it then.... Just heart problems, further hair loss etc etc etc etc
>>34986180
>Carmen Carrera
>>34986181
>did you run mass specs on the substance in question to confirm this?
they were suspended, can you mass spec a liquid? (srs)
>or do you just automatically believe that var doesn't lead to hair shedding because you read this on a forum online?
i bought 3 different vars, when i got to the third one i started shedding. led me to believe it was different since nothing else changed.
>you obviously did about 10 minutes of "research" (asking here for advice and then being dumb enough to follow it)
pretty accurate, this was before i started though. knowing what i know now though i probably wouldn't have, since there are better options.
it definitely helped though in certain aspects.
Test e + var or test p and dbol?
250ml test
30mg oral
I know var 'can' be taken throughout the cycle but will be expensive and you can't drink while dbol would be 30 days tops due to liver toxicity. Which would be better and would let me still have a social life?
>used anadrol last cycle and had to stop drinking full stop
>>34986156
Anavar is a DHT derivative why the fuck would you assume it wouldnt cause hair loss?
>>34986227
Or you could just not drink?
>>34986232
>Anavar is a DHT derivative why the fuck would you assume it wouldnt cause hair loss?
cause a guy on a forum said it wouldn't in 2002 and since then it has been repeated
that's how this shit works bruh
I can trace pretty much every single bro science assumption about gear back to an exact forum post made over a decade ago. try it, it'll blow your fucking mind. its in the same vein as why dude is in this thread saying hes gonna run Anavar permanently for rest of life cruise. somebody said in 2005 that anavar is super non-toxic and every idiot has ran with it since. I know of at least two specific cases where anavar use led to ridiculous liver enzyme and cholesterol counts, one dude had to go to the hospital for acute liver failure with symptoms of jaundice pale stools yellow eyes.
>>34986227
Just don't drink
I don't drink and manage to have a social life just fine
>>34986232
Ok well then assuming I don't drink which is better? Test e and var for 10 weeks or test p and dbol with dbol for 30 days?
Broke my hand. What do? Pls I don't want shrink
>>34986311
Doesn't look broke to me, just go thru pain and man up
>>34986248
Hairloss worrying is worse. The shit you see on hairloss forums and on steroid forums from years ago is ridiculous. I spoke to my doctor about some of the myths around hairloss and shedding and he just laughed. Increased shedding while on steroids should be expected especially around the 7-8 week mark, the only way to tell if you will go bald due to roiding is if abnormal hairloss (over 150 hairs each day) continues after roiding and even then you shouldn't be too worried unless it's in the male pattern (M shaped recession). If you see thinning around the temples you're fine, if you have strong thinning/recession around both temples or a widows peak pattern then you're fucked.
Also there's literally no such thing as a maturing hairline which is something you'll see on hairloss forums. Just pull your hair back after a shower
>peptides
Any advice on a good one to start with for 4-8 weeks and why you would pick it?
>>34986336
>tfw i did 1st cycle test e only nothing happened
>2nd cycle went alright too
>decide to go natty again
>fast forward 5 months later i decide to start taking creatine
>notice im going slowly bald
just fuck my life
>>34986376
5ar inhibitor like finasteride + LGD
>>34986365
They are so different it's hard to recommend one without knowing any background.
>>34986376
You either had bunk oil or you did not utilize the juice properly
>>34986323
Gonna try to squat everyday for a month until I can use it again. Fuck this is a bitch,
>>34986470
Yeah just kinda realized that, sorry bro.
Though right now I'm looking at one called "Ostarine".
Your thoughts?
Part of what draws me to peptides over steroids is it seems run in a short cycle at a low dose there are not really any side effects. Though what concerns me is ending them, like do you just stop at the end of 8 weeks? Or wind down?
>>34986311
>>34986473
you should get it more support then that, it will heal better
You can still do a lot of core too
>>34986376
Well how are you balding senpai? Might not be as bad as you think
Anyone that is worried should do this
>take a shower and shampoo your hair
>count hairs on hand after every 10 run throughs and after you rinse
>comb your hair back
>count hairs on comb
>look in a mirror
If your hairline is straight or you have counted less than 150 hairs stop here because you're fine
>look at both corners of your hairline
>later there noticeable thinning or recession
>take a top down pic of your hairline
>if you see an upside down U shape (middle of hairline is the bottom of the U) you are fine, not saying you won't go bald in later life (see family history)
>if you see an M shape or widows peak you are balding
>if you counted over 150 hairs while on cycle stop roiding and count off cycle (if less than 150 hairs off cycle you're fine but I'd recommend lowering your dose)
>>34986484
Ostracize is a SARM, not a peptide. And no it's not worth it.
>>34986486
Core and legs are where I'm lagging the most so maybe this is a good opportunity. Gonna get it looked at by a specialist when I can. Got this temp wrap while getting arrested this weekend baka senpai.
My original question was about how should I adjust my cycle. Currently doing test500/tren400/eq800.
>>34986539
>SARM vs Peptide
What's the difference and why would you say it's not worth it?
Girl picture for your time.
>>34986572
Google will give you a better comparison between the 2 than I could. It's not worth it because it will still shut you down like roads and provide a fraction of the results. Roids have been extensively researched and proven safe in short cycles. SARMS have very little data on them. But don't take my word for it, do some reading and make your own decisions. Roids have sides too, but they're easily mitigated.
Tbh I don't know much about peps so I can't help you out much there
I won't be able to eat a solid food for about 10-15 weeks probably, only liquid through the syringe, how can I prevent as much muscle loss as possible?
>>34986590
Just in what I've been reading over the last few hours it seems peptides and SARMS can offer fewer side effects than roids.
I'm about to leave (so I'll be back tomorrow I guess) and I won't be a cock and dump a stack of links at you but nearest I could tell it was
>won't have as huge gains as roids
>also about the same price range
>but less side effects
>also good for injury recovery in tendons and ligaments
The third and especially fourth parts were what looked the best to me as I've got sporting injuries I'm sick of being sidelined by, though muscle gains would be cool.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/bodybuilding-chemistry-sarms-serms-peptides/so-you-want-try-ostarine-mk2866-here-facts-wonderful-sarm-879383.html
http://allaboutpeptides.com/ostarine-mk-2866-unleashing-its-anabolic-power/
That's the last two tabs I had open, anyway thanks for your time and I'll come back to read your reply as I've bookmarked the thread.
>>34986572
Honestly in my opinion peptides, insulin, hgh are a differently game then roids.
If you want to know I suggest you Google your ass off.
Sarms do not have a lot of research or time in my opinion again
You can't go wrong with test, you just need to find your sweet spot of how much you need.
Again everything I say is bias because I prefer injectable steriods over anything else
>>34986590
Oh yeah, what do you mean by "shut you down"?
It seems to me that in the doses I'd be looking at I would not even really need post cycle therapy at the end of a cycle (6-8 weeks) because the dose was so small.
