I'm in the same boat, started 2 years ago. 20g a day at my peak, I made a slow taper in excell for myself and I'm down to 5g a day now. Going to continue my taper slowly and get off this. I've been prescribed gabapentin before and it's supposed to be great for the withdrawals so I'll have a doctor write me a new scrip when I'm ready. At this point it does nothing for me, don't get high because of my massive doses before i can't wait till my taper is done.

>>34870163

I'm planning on being done by March and having full labs done on my blood to see how badly my kidneys are damaged and stuff from taking this stupid shit for years

Wats the reason people take this? Do they feel better, does it make them more social? I don't get it. Can you explain bruh.

And cold turkey? Wtf does that even mean.

>>34870049
Feel free to disregard this as broscience, but as I think piracetam and other nootropics deplete the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, which personally made me feel depressed like fuck when taking it and "cloudy", if that makes sense. Either take supplement it with something or just don't bother, it hasn't been proven to have any significant effect unless you have an actual illness.

>Med student

>>34870412
supplement it*
>2 am shitposting

>>34870340
>And cold turkey? Wtf does that even mean.

It's been reported that people on withdrawals from phenibut eat turkeys cold out of the freezer for no apparent reason.

>>34870433
Stfu faggot ass

Anything like Phenibut that isn't addictive?

>>34870759
L theanine?
Caffeine?
Hot tea?
Idk I did a lot of heroin my guage is probably all fucked but if you're sufffering withdrawal from anything sub schedule 3 you shouldn't be caving so hard. Just saying

>>34870832
I feel like I have a pretty good addiction tolerance but the possibility of it still isn't something I'm comfortable with.

I figured I'd start taking it because of (self-diagnosed) 'depression' and general lack of motivation. I started taking Ashwaganda, but it just seems to fuck with my short term memory.

>>34870049
You NEED to taper off. Picamilon can probably really help you taper if you're having very severe symptoms. Try to taper off at a rate of 20% per month if your addiction is very bad. Going cold turkey off gaba-b agonists can cause SEIZURES, BRAIN DAMAGE AND DEATH. TAPER OFF THIS BEFORE THAT HAPPENS.

>>34870759
Phenibut's effects are addictive, alcohol, GHB and benzos all have very close effects to phenibut, being gaba agonists, and all of them are addictive. there is no gaba agonist that is not addictive.

If you want advice for phenibut, never take more then 2 grams per week. Ever.

In other news, anyone on semax/selank?

Sorry OP, no experience with Phenibut.
But on a side note, for the past few years I've been taking EC (ephedrine + caffeine) to help me study for midterms/finals and I recently made the switch to Adrafinil. Highly recommend/10.
There are no crazy side effects like you would get from EC or adderall, and I find it to be arguably more effective in the sense that you aren't overwhelmed with too much energy.

>>34870961
Adrafinil can cause liver damage, what dose do you take?

>>34870975

Not him but I used to take it a lot until I found a good modafinil source online. No powder or longer come up. When I did take it I took 400mg since general consensus is that equals 200moda

>>34870975
That's what I've read. I'm only taking 300mg at a time and I take it with milk thistle extract for some potential liver support.

I've found that letting my homework/projects pile up for the week and then dedicating a day to just getting shit done works pretty well. That way I'm only taking it once or twice a week.

>>34871005
How much are you paying for the moda? I'm worried that even if I find a good source for it the price will still be expensive as balls. Also have you found that moda is more effective than adrafinil?

>>34870915
>Phenibut's effects are addictive
I fucked around with benzo and alcohol addiction last year and they didn't do anything. I'll pick up some phenibut later today.

Any brick and mortar places I can pick it up from?

>>34870832
What's L-Theanine do?

>>34870049

lol "penisbutt"

>>34871102
>addiction
>didnt do anything

u wot?

>brick and mortar places
>unapproved chemical

u wot?

You on benzos + alcohol rn too?

Fuck it OP, YOLO. I'm 3 weeks into my Epistane cycle and instead of drinking this weekend I'm just gonna use phenibut

>>34871125
I ~tried~ to get addicted, but it failed. Of course it did shit, I just didn't get any cravings

>>34871135
mixing phenibut and alcohol is a baaaaaaaaaaaad idea

>>34871145
INSTEAD of drinking. I'm on orals hence why I'm not drinking dumbass

>>34871021

It's more effective by far. Right now ordering 40x200mg it comes in a little under $80. They also sell other afinils, Google modafinilcat or /r/afinil on reddit for good discussions about it in general

>>34871113
It's pretty good.
Pretty much shitty Xanax.

>>34870049
What does this stuff do??

I bought some phenibut about 2 weeks ago and I've only used it twice. each 1 week apart. The first time I took 600mg and felt nothing. The second time I took 1g and didn't feel much but I knocked the fuck out when I went to sleep.
Am I not taking enough to feel an obvious effect or is a 1g dose enough?

>>34871211
It's a non-intoxicating alcohol

>>34871226
It is a very subtile feeling of wellbeing and reduced anxiety for me. That's what is so dangerous about this stuff because you think you can just take it everyday then - it doesnt do that much.
I dont go over 1g/week and had no problems.

Fuark I just realized Ashwaghanda is an adaptogen. I need to read more into these nootropics.

>>34871235
But what does it do? What effects do you feel?

>>34871264

Being buzzed.

>>34871264
kills anxiety, makes you feel a-okay

i rarely take it, I'm a pretty tame guy as is.

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You lover your dose slightly every 2 days until youre at 0.

Also, could you not make fucking threads about it on 4chan you idiot? We dont need more idiots like you making it illegal.

>>34871274
And is it genuinely addictive?? I ask because I've had pretty bad anxiety and depression in the past and was previously medicated

Is it dangerous to combine it with a preworkout?

>>34871336
Why the fuck would you combine a downer with an upper?

>>34870049

Piracetam + CDP chlorine kinda sucks.

L-theanine is my to go to for when i study
L-carnatine is something i just started today, so far i think i like it more then theanine.
/fit/ based nootropics, fish oil/Ve, Vd, creatine, and caffeine.

>>34871350
How is pw a downer?

>>34871350

The right dose of phenibut is great for motivation.

>>34871353
piracetam really helps with spelling, u should keep taking it

i wouldnt take any more cdp chlorine though, cdp choline on the other hand works well with racetams

>>34871388

might change to another chlorine.

>>34870049
>I've been struggling with phenibut addiction for some time now


how the fuck does this even happen? If I take too much I get dizzy and wanna pass out.


I can't take it more then 2x a week or I build a tolerance.

also is amazing tho

>>34871388
>piracetam really helps with spelling, u should keep taking it
>don't enable spellcheck
>take a drug instead
got it

I just had a cup of coffee on An empty stomach it's 4 in the morning and I have taken 750 mg for my first time, will I feel it in 2 hours?

>try modafinil for the first time
>expecting limitless drug
>2 hours after taking
>feel nothing different
>decide to go on with my day as usual
>daily fap time
>proceed to spend the next 4 hours edging while intensely searching for the perfect porn
>didn't even realize the sun had gone down
>4am the next morning still wide awake
>need to be up at 6:30 to go to work
>get about 1/2hr sleep before 8 hour shift
>take modafinil before going to work
>not even fucking tired

overall an interesting experience, this was a week ago. Bradley Cooper had already mastered the stock exchange and learned several new language by now so I'm pretty disappointed with my progress

>>34871458
It's my absolute first time I might add. Anybody got anything?

http://www.bulknutrients.com.au/products/phenibut-capsules.html

>First developed in Russia, Phenibut is derived from Gaba (gamma-aminobutyric acid) however the key difference is its ability to cross the blood brain barrier
>crossing the blood brain barrier
topkek

Although I am willing to give anything a try, any Aussies tried it from bulk nutrients?

>>34871490
Just wait :^)
Have fun, but dont expect too much. Its pretty subtile.

>>34871491
>Phenibut is GABA
everytime I take GABA after about 30 minutes I get a huge rush of heat through my body and my thighs start to ache like I've just ran a marathon, it's suppose to help you sleep but I haven't experience any better sleep while taking it. why would phenibut be any different

>>34871491

my exp with phenibut

>relaxed
>light on my feet sorta feel
>positive outlook on everything
>bit of a 'giddy' sorta of feel for things

shits dope man. for socializing I don't feel that first hit of anxiety.

>>34871503
Cool, I was wondering if I should up to 2 grams because everyone says that the euphoria point but I'm assuming since it's my first time I won't need that much, I way 195 pounds pretty muscular

>>34871474
oh also it makes you have the most ungodly and relieving shit you've ever had in your entire life

>>34870049
Taper off faggot. 250mg less every day and you'll be fine.

>>34870340
It kills any anxiety and makes you sleep well and be super prosocial. It's really a great substance if used correctly but if you're retarded like OP just stay away.

>>34870759
Ashwaganda or L-Theanine.

Or just Phenibut on proper cycling schedule and responsibly taken.

>>34871125
In most of the world it is an over the counter legal substance.

>>34873514
Would you recommend taking both? I've been on ash for a while, and although it helps me get my words out, it hasn't made me want to actively seek conversation. Or am I just not dosing high enough?

>>34870340
People take it because it makes them more social and talkable and it gives a slight eupjoria.
For me it just makes me a bit drowsy and sleepy and happy, the feeling is alright but its not all that.. (I am already sociable from myself). I take it once a week or less if you take it a few days in a row your body will get addicted and you feel like you really need to take more. Not that the effect gets any better its just the time ur off you don't feel good anymore.
But seriously people who get addicted are weak as fuck. Once u start taking everyday you will get addicted within a week and have trouble tapering down.the trick is to stick to 1day usage only and take enough rest in between.
The biggest benefit for me is that it makes me sleep really well, lately my sleep is fucked up and I wake up 4 times per night, but when rly need to be well rested I takephenibut the night before and sleep like a baby.

Also these peoples dosages are bullshit. For the positive effect you only need 0.5-1.5g definitely not more. 2g+ dosages are addict dosages of people chasing a buzz

>>34870049

I have Phenibut, thank God I haven't gone over 3g once a week, I didn't realize it could get this bad. When I do take it it's only if I go out, or have a date or something. It helps you be chill but still on point, and I've used it with great success, but I would never use it more than once a week.

For something more consistent, kratom can be good but it's high mainteneace and can also be addictive, and is necessary to cycle off now and again.

Modafanil I do not like. I can't sleep while on it, and while it does give amazing focus, it doesn't necessarily give you focus on the right things. You could just as easily focus four hours on a video game as you could on your studies, so you have to put yourself in an environment that removes other distractions you can "focus" on.

My favorite of the three above is probably phenibut, but it's rare that I use it. If I need a lift I'll go with kratom but never will use it more than once a day, or more than five times or so a week. Not really into pick up, but Good Looking Loser has good articles on all three.

>>34873537
I take both. It's nowhere near as strong as phenibut on it's own but it does help. I can't contrast their anti-anxiety effects against each other though but combined with regular meditation and exercise you get most of the way there.

For example, yesterday I had a really chill fucking day (without phenibut) even when put into normally anxiety inducing situations. I just gave no fucks it was so cash. There was no way I would have such a day back before I took ash/L-Theanine.

>>34873614
Dosages and weight?

>>34873644
My entire stack is:

ashwagandha (anti-anxiety)
1200mg a day
1 capsule in the morning; 1 in the evening

creatine monohydrate (reasoning and muscle performance)
5g a day
1 dose in the morning

l-theanine (focus and anti-anexity
400mg a day
200mg in the morning; 200mg in the evening

fish oil (anti-depression; systemic review of eicosapentaenoic acid aka EPA indicates 60%EPA fish oil has statistically significant anti-depressant effect)
1000mg EPA a day
1 capsule in the morning; 1 in the evening

valdoxan (active ingredient agomelatine)
25mg a day
1 tablet in the morning

I'm 90kg. Valdoxan/Agomelatine is a prescription antidepressant which helps my depression but does nothing for my anxiety. I took it for a year before I started any of the other stuff.

I also lift and meditate daily.

>>34870572
>>34870433
I enjoyed it

>>34873751
<3 friendo

>>34871015
Good goyim, buy worthless supplements

>>34871125
>
I can get it at my local shady supplement store

Really, all supplements are unnaproved chemicals. Unregulated for the most part. Some companies (BPI) throw random herbs in there products/

>>34873603
Kratom is expensive as fuck

Anyone got experience with Ani or Piracetam?

>>34873870

Yeah it is, but it just depends on whether getting in a good mood is worth it to you. I spend about $80 or so and I'm set for a few months, which to me is worth it. Then again I'm not a heavy user. No more than 3-4 g per day.

got that feeling theres allot of bullshit in here about taking modafinil.
Its massively expensive.. and you guys act like you just went down to the local pharmacy and asked for it. You need a subscrip.. and you better have a good reason like narcolepsy.
I call bullshit. I bet you tried to drink the bong water the first time you saw a bong in use.

Any one know where to get modafinil online in aus? Or any decent nootropics for that matter. I get what I can off ebay

>>34874345
Not sure if they ship to Aus but modafanil cat is where you should look. That said I had high expectations for it but ended up being disappointed. It gave focus but it will keep you up way late if you're sensitive to it like me.

>>34871491
I bought some a couple weeks ago, only used it once at 500mg (2 caps), didnt feel anything, going to try 2 grams soon
Bulk nutrients is pretty good so i trust that this will live up to their current reputation and not be shit, its 100% pure too
I don't know about its price compared to other places

What is its affects on epilepsy medication?
Wikipedia says it modulates them but it doesn't say how and i don't understand the source
I am on sodium valporate at the moment, i don't have epilepsy, i am prescribed it for its other affects

>>34874500
Bump
I am autismo as fuck and this seems like one of the best things to beat it, but i don't want to get fucked up if it messes with my meds

>>34874345
pheni is over the counter brah

>>34874500
I had a similar question about it and my antidepressants fucking up my liver. GPs never heard of it. Pharmacists never heard of it. Found one pharmacist with Ukranian background that heard of it but knew basically nothing.

I ended up going to my GP and asking for two sets of LFT (Liver Functioning Test) . Did one before and one after. Came back all good so I kept using it.

I'm in Straya BTW. LFTs were covered by Medicare.

>>34870049
why is there sticky for nootropics yet brehs? theyre not that uncommon

REMINDER THAT PHENIBUT AND ALL NOOTROPICS ARE PLACEBO TRASH AND OP IS A NOOTROPICS SUPPLIER WHO HAS BEEN CREATING THESE GENERALS JUST TO SHILL HIS SHITTY PRODUCT THAT DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

STOP FEEDING THIS GREEDY JEW YOUR MONEY

>>34875595
Straya also
I dont know what phenibut will do to my meds, all it does is say it modulates SOME epileptic meds, because they affect your brain it worries me
Do you have to go to your GP for the LFT's or can you get them elsewhere?
>>34875702
Has he linked any particular store?
The only one getting posted around here is bulk nutrients, and some of the time that was me

>>34875702
> [citation needed]

>>34875753
I'm pretty sure you can just walk in and ask to do the test and for them to privately bill you. However, if you go to GP and get a referral then it's all on Medicare. Remember, you're not doing anything illegal. Phenibut is over the counter and your existing meds are prescription and medically justified. Just go to a GP explain your reasoning. They'll probs be happy to give it to you as you're being responsible about it.

If you get a no just try another GP.

>>34870897
>>34870897
Ashwaganda didn't do shit for me

>be addicted to xanax and etizolam for 5 years
>nearly die 4 times from seizures and other complications
>do stint in rehab and get clean
>horrible depression and shakes and definite case of PAWS cos its been well over 6 months and I'm still a mess
>buy phenibut like a dumbass thinking I'd be able to take it once or twice per week
>now addicted to phenibut for 2 years in the same boat as before except now with weird drug like phenibut instead of well researched drugs like xanax

Why am I so stupid bros? I'm at the point where I don't think I deserve life anymore cos I obviously don't give a fuck about it enough to not squander it with drugs.

>>34871145
No it isn't
>take 2g of phenibut
>drink 2 beers and be awesome
Better than dropping $40 on drinks that taste like shit

>>34871406
>>34871406
>eating chlorine

Anyone try memantine? Not sure if its considered a typical nootropic becos its literally a drug for alzheimers, but its fucking awesome. I forget where I bought it, it was probably an RC dealer rather than a Noot supplier. Literally the only noot I've tried that actually had a positive effect on memory and sharpness.

I'm thinking about buying some phenibut for job interviews but you people are scaring the shit out of me with your seizures and withdrawals.

>>34877484
I used it for that and it was a GOAT interview. Do it faggot.

>>34877555
I also have an addictive personality and tend to go overboard with things easily.

>>34877251
ashwagandha dindu nuffin. he a gud supplement. he regulated by the FDA err day.

>>34870832
>caffeine
>relaxant

dude wtf, caffeine does the exact opposite of theanine and probably phenibut (though I haven't taken phenibut so couldn't tell you)

the reason people stack theanine and caffeine isn't to amplify the effect, it's so they can get the energy and alertness of caffeine while theanine combats the stress it induces

I have taken phenibut daily for a year.
M-Th: 2g, in the morning
Fri, Sat: 2g, in the morning, 1g at 6pm before going out
Sun: 2g in the morning

It creates an anxiety-neutral backdrop for me. I don't get any euphoria (hadn't since the first week) but it does keep me grounded and able to avoid being OCD about weird shit in social situations. I still act like an autist though, just don't care so much about it.

Not a magic pill to fix social awkwardness, but it mitigates the shame from being unable to function like a normal person.

>>34871565
It takes 1.5 grams for me to feel anything and I'm 180 pounds, but I'm also a very anxious person so take it as you will.
2g is perfect for me, it just makes everything seem alright, but I still can't do certain things due to anxiety though.

>>34877484
>>34877589
I don't even know how it's possible to become addicted on something that everyone says you can't do more than twice a week.
What thought patterns do you have to be able to get addicted to something like this?
You will be fine mane.
I have an addictive personality and I've never even thought about taking a third dose in a week.

anyone else here drink shit they find under the sink to cure their social anxiety?

>>34870049
Your a shill, i have every thread you make on this shit open In my mobile phone and you always reuse thr same exact photo, same size same topic name

Fucking piece of shit

Can we agree to not tell stories about Phenibut addiction?
Saying it can be addictive with irresponsible use is good enough.

>>34878526
phenibut is fun gtfo

>>34870915
Isn't Gabapentin a gaba agonist? That's not addictive.

Didn't Bill Cosby drug his victims with Phenibut?

>>34877633
Lmao

I tried it 3 times at different doses and only felt weak and sleepy, not sure if im immune or it is bunk (bought from smartnootropics)

I tried sulbutiamine on a whim and it's great.

I find when I'm in social situations I can just think quicker and figure out what is going on, almost like getting outside of myself and seeing everything in perspective. It also makes me happy but that might be because feeling like I "get" what's going on makes me happy.

I was following good looking loses guide so I took 2g followed by 1g a couple hours later and I threw up a few hours later. Is this too high of a dose? I didn't vomit on 2.5gs a while ago

>>34883389
that is much too high a dose. Acutely, 750mg should be the highest you take.

>>34883389
>>34884084
Don't listen to that anon.
The actual real dosage is like 2 to 3 grams split over the day in a few doses.
And not supplement company wise either, actual Russian medicine.
It seems you might be sensitive, but if throwing up was the only bad side effect it MIGHT have to do with how acidic it is.
I recommend trying phenibut bonded to something else (like free amino) or maybe taking phen with food.
Go on some forums about this stuff and do actual research, a lot of stuff in this thread is poor conjecture from people who make assumptions based on only themselves, like this guy >>34873540
thinking .5-1.5g is enough for most people and that 2g+ will make you addicted, I don't even feel phenibut until I go 1.5g or over.

The GENERAL consensus is that 1 to 3 or so grams is enough for anxiety.
This usually is taken 2-3 times a week, 3 might lessen the impact of phenibut and anymore times can lead to addiction.
Some claim to be able to be on it daily and not get addicted, but I PERSONALLY take it twice a week since no addiction and it still is very potent.
Around 4g and you start to feel buzzed, almost like a mixture of alcohol and mdma.
If you want to get fucked up I would suggest not going 8g for health reasons, I haven't done anything of this but this is what I've got from some forums.

Don't worry about addiction if you can control yourself and not take something every day.

Will try for the first time at a party on Friday night. Should I start with 500mg or 1g? Semi-socially anxious which is why I usually get drunk at parties

>>34885092
Me and some friends took 600mg our first time and felt nothing.
Take 1g to 1.5g about 3 hours before the party.

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>>34870049
Try kava and kratom too guys. There's a kava bar nearby that I'm gonna hit up this weekend

>>34885124
Can you drive on Kava?