http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/05/01/ms-marvel-and-a-test-case-for-child-pornography/
> This is top half of a commissioned image of Ms Marvel by the artist Kukuruyo. He is a Spanish illustrator, cartoonist and designer otherwise known as Alejandro Ricondo.
> I’m not showing you the bottom half.
> Because she is depicted as unclothed, with her underwear pulled down. The full version can be found here. It may not only be NSFW but Not Safe For Your Browser History. The character has been portrayed as sixteen years old in Marvel Comics titles. And that’s a no-no.
> A discussion followed.
> But it has gone further and wider since. Fuelled by the fact that Kukuruyo is nominated for this year’s Hugo Awards for Best Fan Artist after being listed on the nominatuion slate from activist groups Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies.
> So people started drawing lines between the two. And Alejandro Ricondo updated his post to take on the criticism. Who had three points to make.
>> First of, this is a DRAWING. You know, those things that are done with pencils and colors and stuff? like, you know, without absolutely no participation or harm of any real person? yes, that, you got it. So, a drawing is NOT child pornography. It’s NOT REAL, ok? it’s just a combination of lines placed in an specific way by an artist, not an actual person doing anything. Even if i actually drawed a little children having sex (which i have not), it would still not be child pornography, as no real person has done, or been done, anything. Drawings of characters of any age are legal in almost all the countries in the world, and Spain is one of them. Sucks to be you, Canada.
>> Secondly, calling a developed body of an anime style drawing of a 16 years old “pedophilia” is like the most retarded thing anyone can ever say. Pedophilia is the attraction for underdeveloped bodies, for children who have not yet passed puberty. Pedophilia is not the “number”. A pedophile is not someone who feels attraction for a woman with the body of Scarlett johanson who happens to be 17 years and 360 days. It’s someone who feels attracted by someone with an 8 years old body. What, do you think that pedophiles feel nothing when they look to a child and then someone says “oh, and she/he has 8 years old” and then suddenly they have an erection? do you think they get erections looking at the number 8 or something? bullshit.
the artist continued:
>>“Pedophilia” would be feeling attracted to a drawing of an 8 years old who is clearly visualy depicted as an 8 years old. Now look at how my characters (or any anime character, since i see this accusation being throwed a lot by SJWs about anime) are drawed. They have adult, attractive, developed bodies. Even if a character has “16”, it’s drawn with an adult body. That’s NOT pedophilia. You cannot look at characters like the ones in Dead or alive and say it’s pedophilia because some of them are 16. That’s simply retarded. (fuck, they even use the same body bases for many of them, they just change the age in the character description). And the same for my drawings. You cannot look at a drawing like this and say it’s pedophilia because she technicaly has 16 in the original comic. Specialy because i didn’t know her age, and just drawed a body of about 20 years old! don’t you see how ridiculous this is? if i say “it’s ms.marvel when she grows to 20 years old” it’s suddenly ok?
>> And third, imaginary characters have no “age”. The age of a fictional character is just a number put there by the creator. It means nothing. You can as well say she has 14 or 30 depending on the drawing style. Do you want me to show some examples to see how ridiculous you sound? look closely:
(Also, yes, this is an artist who has been involved with some Gamergate shit before too. So more gasoline on the political pyre! Huzzah.)
> The US law The Protect Act of 2003 makes illegal “obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children” includes “a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting … [that] lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value”, whether one “knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute” said representations.
> Oh, and “It is not a required element of any offense under this section that the minor depicted actually exist.”
> Although the like of the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund are ready to fight on this point.
>> Forces urging censorship of manga, in both the United States and Canada, tend to be ignorant of what manga really is. Manga, like comics, is a medium, not a genre, and it encompasses a wide range of expression that speaks to audiences of all ages and interests.
>> Art is not child pornography. Art provides a safe place for individuals to explore culture, identity and ideas. Prosecuting individuals for possession of comics does not prevent or punish the sexual abuse of real people.
>> Manga and comic books are realms of legitimate speech that are protected by the First Amendment.
> Of course charging people for commissions of copyright characters might not be – and could attract the attentions of a different lot of m’learned friends.
Though, to be fair, Kamala is not for lewd.
(or however that saying goes)
>>82399847
http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/12/why-defend-freedom-of-icky-speech.html
>tfw stuff like this just makes you want to stop drawing things like this or anything else too risky
I just want to share my drawings in peace. And not having to look behind my back all the time. It'd be less stressful to just stop drawing anything too risky.
The only people who get in trouble for this kind of stuff are people have real stuff already, but I think there's also been some cases where someone saw it and reported them.
It's all just too stressful.
>>82399847
Behead those who sexualised Kamala, inshalla.
Child pornography laws exist because children are incapable of consenting to sexual acts, so any photographs or videos of them engaging in obscene acts are promoting abuse.
Pictures are fucking pictures. The only arguments against drawn pornography are 1) It may encourage real-life acts (although the exact opposite argument could be made with the same validity) or 2) That people feel it's morally wrong, which isn't a reason to restrict free speech. People's rights should extend to up to the point where they impede on other's rights, and some neckbeard jacking it to loli porn doesn't hurt anyone.
>>82399847
Isn't 16 the legal age in a lot of states?
You know, I bet you could get away with doing this to characters like Nico Minoru, Karolina Dean, or hell, Cassie Lang and they wouldn't bat an eye. It's just that he choose Kamala Khan, who is an SJW darling right now.
SJW's don't care about something unless it's in movies and is really popular.
The west is so fucking ass backwards when it comes to this shit. The nips have it right. 2D is 2D.
>>82399847
>sixteen years
>no-no
That is the legal age in most of Europe and most US states.
>>82400173
Japanese child abuse is through the roof right now, as many pedos are showing the hentai to kids and telling them what they are about to do to them is okay.
It's really fucked up.
I think it's more important we talk about how Rich Johnson raped and killed a girl in 1990
>>82399847
>16
Ah, so she's a little old for most muslim men
>>82399847
>>82399862
>>82399903
>>82399920
>>82399932
I hate you for all the images you used here except the first.
>>82400231
care to post source on this
>>82400162
>>82400217
>Isn't 16 the legal age in a lot of states?
That's the age of consent, but you still have to be 18 to be in porn.
No one is having sex with a 16 year old, but one is being depicted in porn.
>>82400231
>Source: my ass.
Look, I made a flow chart.
>>82400231
That bears no weight at all. It's literally the same as saying gta makes you more likely to go on a killing spree downtown.
If you care that much, then do some research on how to help the police and stop said illegal things. Don't take away a basic right just so folks aren't fucking offended.
>>82399847
>The full version can be found here.
So is anyone gonna post the full picture in the OP or do I have to look for it myself
>>82400285
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/03/24/national/crime-legal/child-abuse-cases-reach-record-high-2015-police/#.VybFr_krLIU
>applying human laws/morals on filthy Inhuman scum
>>82400281
they were all included in the original post that he is quoting, in the same order
If the artist wrote a little blurb saying the character was depicted was being age 18 it magically stops be against the law.
>>82399862
Kamala is the hottest 6 years old marvel character.
>>82400291
>>82400356
Yes but I already hate Rich Johnson
>>82400285
>>82400317
>>82400339
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/03/24/national/crime-legal/child-abuse-cases-reach-record-high-2015-police/#.VybFr_krLIU
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/10/08/national/social-issues/poverty-isolation-push-japans-child-abuse-cases-record-high/
Do you really consider that all this hentai and stuff would lead to level headed thinking?
It's already been established that it's legal in space, and Earth is in space, therefore it's legal on Earth.
>>82399847
So basically an article on ONE single piece of fanart out of the thousands that are created daily on the internet?
I cannot stand that people would want to argue or even imprison someone for fucking make believe pictures when actual shit goes on in the world.
>>82400396
>An agency official traced the increases to “heightened awareness about child abuse” that prompted more people to report suspected abuse cases to police.
Did you read what you posted?
>>82400396
Do you really thing that violent video games cause school shootings?
>>82400173
You realize that there's a huge push in Japan by conservative lawmakers and outside forces like the UN to ban lolicon porn, right?
>>82400396
they are better at telling the difference between reality and fiction then people in the west do.
>>82400357
Not at all.
>>82400237
I know, right?
>>82400463
So you're saying it's illegal to draw porn of 18 year olds?
>>82400357
>Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan)
>First appearance: Captain Marvel #14 (August 2013)
Three years ago she was 16, that makes her technically 19 now.
>>82400499
Only like a month has passed in-universe.
>>82400499
Considering there's been two 8 month time skips since she's shown up, she's probably 18 or close to it by now
>>82400423
>>82400429
The original article that said the hentai thing was months ago, I'm not crazy enough to type in "Japan child abuse linked to hentai" or whatever. If you think that fantasizing about lolis is a sane thing to do, then whatever. I give up.
Might as well post it again.
>>82400496
Even if it's a 9,000 year old loli succubus you can still get in trouble.
>>82400231
SFW?
They can use regular pornography too.
The crime isn't in the images in a book. The crime are these sick criminals luring kids and abusing them. You might as well outlaw candy because criminals can use that to lure children into abuse.
>>82400457
Get your weeaboo head out of your ass. They fucking marry pillows with anime women on them.
Honestly you posting all this bullshit is way more pathetic than whatever the fuck you're bitching about..
>>82399862
>Sarah Nyberg
Isn't that the SJW who fucked her dog?
>>82400528
16 months actually.
>>82400576
I never said it was sane, but I think people should be free to do things that aren't infringing on other's rights. I don't think it's sane to chop off your dick and call yourself a woman either, but I'll defend people's right to do it.
>>82400237
You're not fooling anyone with that Glenn Beck.
>>82400576
Is fantasizing about lolis an insane thing to do then?
If I imagine having lots of sex with an underage harem, have I done something wrong? Am I some kind of psychopath?
What if I imagine myself killing a bunch of people with an axe? That makes me insane, right?
What if I made a movie about a guy who kills people with an axe. Is that wrong? Is it illegal? Is it going to inspire people go out and kill other people with an axe?
>>82400415
Because the artist was nominated for an award and simultaneously has opinions that people in a big circlejerk related to that award disagree with, so they're willing to libel and slander that artist. Yes, it's very petty.
>>82400611
there are nutty people everywhere, doesnt change what i said.
Oh my god no one cares.
>>82400396
The other anon is right, you really didn't even read the article did you?
>More than half the children — 24,159, or more than 60 percent of the total — were victims of psychological abuse including verbal violence, the agency said.
Do you attribute this to mean spirited movies the adults are watching?
>Most of the victims were either junior high school or high school students,
>Regarding child pornography, most of the victims were girls, with about 40 percent having been tricked or coerced into photographing themselves naked, according to the report.
Where are you getting that hentai is being used a tool?
>>82400576
Hey remember when those immigrants from Syria raped people in germany. God how much porn did their country produce. Oh wait. None at all. It's almost like scumbags are scumbags regardless of location.
The only crime being committed here is that the artist is being nominated for an award. Those drawings are shitty.
>>82400496
>So you're saying it's illegal to draw porn of 18 year olds?
If they have an A-cup and you're in Australia? Yes.
>>82400580
I have no idea what you are talking about
>>82400755
>regardless of the location
Actually, when people's blood cooled down and law enforcement really looked into the statistics, local Germans were a lot more likely to rape women than arab immigrants.
>>82400449
It's only by the UN. It doesn't fly there. Even their women artists were against the ban of rape in comics and made many interesting points against it. Look it up. Japan won't take this shit.
>>82400593
I do not care.
>>82400964
>>82400737
You will care when they come for your favorite things, samefag.
meanwhile, Japanese comic artists still aren't allowed to show genitalia in their porn or other comics
http://www.avclub.com/article/nsfw-koyama-exclusive-what-obscenity-tells-true-st-235578
>>82400449
A large portion of the right wing is also opposing the UN push because they see it as yet more IMPERIALISTS GAIJINS IMPOSING THEIR WILL ON NIPPON
HOW CAN NIPPON HAVE PRIDE IN ITSELF WHEN IT ISN'T ALLOWED TO HAVE MILITARY AND DEFEND ITSELF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FYuYkPgDkk
>>82400887
Was pretty sure there were some conservative politicians and social groups in Japan too.
Of course the sad hypocritical thing is the UN actually has a horrible record of letting actual child abuse claims slide and covering up the work of criminals abusing children within their organization and troops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_sexual_abuse_by_UN_peacekeepers
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/un-gross-failure-sexual-abuse-french-troops-central-african-republic
Maybe they should stop trying to ban cartoon drawings of porn and actually go after real people abusing real people in their organization.
hes not even that good anyway,
looks like the usual poorly done anime imitation you see with western artists.
>>82400449
The japanese don't particularly care about it, it's the westerners that are trying to get the porn covered up before the Tokyo Olympics. If they actually managed to get stuff like Comiket banned hell would break loose.
![[Orphan-Licca] The Diary of Anne Frank (h.264-Hi10P) [8FCBED57].mkv_snapshot_00.34.32_[2013.01.27_18.05.01].png](https://i.imgur.com/6xaDyJg.png "[Orphan-Licca] The Diary of Anne Frank (h.264-Hi10P) [8FCBED57].mkv_snapshot_00.34.32_[2013.01.27_18.05.01].png")
>>82400964
>>82400737
>>82400991
first they came for the furries....
>>82400991
What things? Who are they?
>>82400449
Yeah, and Japan fucking smacked that shit down so hard it was hilarious
>Random no name makes porn of fake girl that already has a ton of porn of her.
>said fake girl is supposed to be under age somewhere in the world.
>Freak out.
>>82401101
True. I can see that happening with the UN. Funny when their right wing economic and xenophobic views conflict with their conservative social ones.
Though I was pretty sure I'd heard of other independent pushes within Japan by social conservatives to censor lolicon porn.
>>82400839
>I have no argument what so ever, so let me just make this shit up.
I am german you fucking idiot. We are STILL having riots from finding out that our own government was hiding the fact that women are getting raped on the streets just so immigrants don't get a bad name.
Do you have any idea what people like you are doing?!?! Because of scum like you, people can get away with that shit. You are literally enabling rape and murder by your words. ALL TO JUSTIFY YOUR 'LOOK I'M SO ACCEPTING' TROPHY CASE.
What the fuck is wrong with you. I would literally kill you if I could. I do not want to brag about that. But why. This is not affecting you. Why are you making shit up knowing what is going on. Tell me you fucking coward.
>>82401323
Oh yeah. A rally by a number of artists, many very famous non-porn manga artists, helped reject the laws.
>>82401458
>>82400839
Uh oh. The Germans are going to get me! No! They're so big and strong! Oh, protect me from the Germans! The Germans!
>>82400755
and clearly no woman has ever been raped in a Islamic country with Sharia law that bans the evils of pornography.
>>82401272
The context of the thread is the answer to your second question.
I should assume you already have the answer to the first question. Unless you need me to tell you what things you like and fap to?
>>82400904
I loved that thread.
>>82400904
please tell me there is more of this
>>82401739
>context of this thread
>things I fap to
OK, so a vaguely defined internet mob is coming for my BDSM porn? And how exactly will they accomplish this?
I really, really don't care, porn is endless and unstoppable. Don't lie, you are just trying to be outraged at someone.
>>82399847
>Look into the drama behind this
>Find out the artists is a part of that Gamer Gate thing
>See who's mad about it
>People who are a part of that weird coalition against it
>Bleeding Cool
Everything about this is fucking retarded when you look into the context of this drama.
Kamala is for lewd.
>>82400702
Which award?
>>82400150
But anon, pictures can't consent either
>>82401196
In fairness, anime is just a poor imitation of superior western art.
>>82401229
>first they came for the furries....
But that's wrong, furries are now stronger than ever, they are one tiny little step from being mainstream.
>>82399847
Oh come on, nobody's gonna post the whole picture? I don't wanna give that leech any clicks.
>>>/aco/544087
The pic, if you still care.
>>82402343
here
http://kukuruyo.com/2016/04/29/commission-ms-marvel-nude/
>>82402359
>>82402369
Thank you both based anons.
Fuck you to everyone else.
>>82399847
Snow White is 14, Sleeping Beauty and Ariel 16.
There's gigas of porn of them on the internet.
But I guess those weren't drawn by gators.
>>82402518
That was never confirmed however.
>>82399847
How the fuck is this an article about Kamala Khan and not Gwen Tennyson? Or is this about Alejandro?
>>82402231
But anime doesnt look anymore anything like western cartoons.
>>82402584
>Or is this about Alejandro?
No shit.
>>82400169
You could get away with it so long as you're not conservative and nominated for an award.
They're trying to browbeat awards from falling on their opponents' camp, again.
>>82399847
Didn't Spain have some official ruling about this shit last year?
>>82400611
Every country has those really wierd people. Japan has otakus.
>>82399847
this entire thing is absolute bullshit. The artist is only being attacked because he's up for a Hugo award, and they're trying to smear Vox Day and his allies again (who are the folks who got this artist on the ballot). >>82399903
where it says "sad puppies" and "rabid puppies", that's the group they're trying to smear.
This entire fake controversy is being pushed by people with an agenda. It's complete bullshit, since the drawing is not illegal anywhere that I know of. Don't fall for it, people.
>>82402778
>the drawing is not illegal anywhere that I know of
I'm serious. Kamala is not for sexual.
>>82402369
I read the guy's rant. He did nothing wrong. He does have to expect that when you draw pictures of teens in that format, eventually someone might call you out for it.
Unfortunately for the conservative person trying to get their point across involving this matter, possibly in an attempt to change their home nation's laws involving images - they did an extra shitty job with their objection and what material they decided to target.
>>82402814
Sorry, anywhere relevant that I know of.
>>82399847
>drawing Kamala the least bit lewd
>>82402504
I thought it was only Australia that actually arrested you for fictional lewds?
>>82402518
Both the ages of disney princesses and this guy being a "problematic" atists SJWs don't want to see win the Hugo award are facts.
>>82402844
thank you.
>>82400071
The GOAT article on this topic
>>82403096
And Canada.
>>82402369
It's not even that good...
>Specialy because i didn’t know her age, and just drawed a body of about 20 years old! don’t you see how ridiculous this is? if i say “it’s ms.marvel when she grows to 20 years old” it’s suddenly ok?
This is really all that he needed to say as there's on real rebuttal for it, but I guess if he wants to argue with people on the internet about the ethics in drawing lewds of underage characters so be it.
>>82399847
I guess the old Coppertone ads were child porn too.
>>82403267
theres one western site which doesnt allow characters who are underage in their source, even if you clearly draw them much older.
was it DA or something else i dont remember.
a lot of the west is insane when it comes to this shit anyway.
Lol he sounds butthurt as fukk, just as butthurt as the essjaydubuus he whines about
definition of pedophile is action with real life person under age of consent
just type that and move wth your life on faggot
>>82400593
>turst me
come on
>>82403451
I don't blame any organization for doing what they need to do in order to keep the doors open. Maybe they need those Australian page-clicks. They should operate in their best interests.
But I wonder how people actually upset about this kind of stuff react to things like Harry Potter. Harry Potter has a shit-ton of underage porn. Is it somehow not bad just because a lot of it is written rather than pictorial and the authors were also underage? At a point it just feels like splitting hairs.
No real person is getting hurt. I don't give a shit.
>>82403697
Potter is a white male. No one gives a fuck about those.
>>82403192
I've seen a lot of canadians post lolis around the web. It's just that Australian authorities are stupid.
>>82402661
damn right
>>82403697
If anyone who wrote HP smut is nominated for an Hugo award and isn't a SJW, you'll hear about it.
This isn't about the art.
>>82400231
Sounds like 100% bullshit.
Ironically every single legal case I've heard of involving grooming porn creepy shit has been live action porn of adults.
