The Punisher is so much better than Batman, he's what Batman was originally supposed to be...a killer of criminals, but Punisher does it without the pretentious yuppy background of Batman as well by making him a guy who's actually had real problems and been through shit
I like Punisher as much as the next guy, but why does everybody feel the need to compare him to Batman?
Yeah they are both dark and brooding and street level and have lost people, but they're pretty different basically everyhwere else.
>tfw Batman v Superman was Punisher v Miracleman
Yeah I don't get it either. Same with Midnighter, everyone says he's gay Batman but the only thing they have in common is a similar outfit. Personality, powers, origin etc. are all completely different.
I laughed at the part in JLA/Avengers where
Batman decided to beat up the Punisher for shooting drug dealers right after Batman got done telling everyone not to interfere with anything in the Marvel world no matter how bad it was. Even Plastic-man called him out on that shit, IIRC.
Three reasons Punisher > Batman.
1. Zero recidivism rate.
2. Doesn't claim a city, lets other heroes battle big villain threats
3. Doesn't dress up a harem of young Boys as Kid Castigate or suchlike.
The reason Punisher doesn't kill super villains is the same reason Batman can't keep them locked up.
They are popular so they must return, don't be a fucking idiot who doesn't read comics...oh wait you can't not be that.
What the fuck are you going on about? Look up his history on Marvel Database. He's fucking clown shoes. The only decent Punisher (Max) was killed in some stupid fucking crossover event.
>The reason Punisher doesn't kill super villains is the same reason Batman can't keep them locked up.
So how does that make him better than batman, if both unable to keep any remotely relevant criminal off streets?
He failed at both, how many times did the villains escaped and how many innocents pointlessly died after they escaped yet again instead of just killing the villains the first time? guy should be more traumatized with the amount of innocent lives lost because of his morals than his parents' death.
I feel the same way. Also, people talking about the Punisher as if he's actually meant to be heroic and not the tragic, broken protagonist of a revenge saga in the gangster genre weirds me out. Frank would never consider himself a hero.
To be fair, they do actually have something else in common, or at least they did at one point: Midnighter was originally parodying the Wizard Magazine Preptime God Batman that was in vogue at the time, hence glorious bullshit like "I had a back-up heart installed!"
>Implying a homicidal clown who kills people regularly, some guy with fear gas, a gangster with a black skull, and a serial killer who puts stitches for each person he kills on his body can be redeemed.
Because /co/ is full of autists who have hardly read anything other than comic books, and Big 2 comics at that, and so they think medium=genre and thus feel the need to compare Punisher to other comic book characters and not, say, to other characters in revenge stories like The Count of Monte Cristo or Beatrix Kiddo.
You're comparing a character who is literally only there to sell ads to babies and another who literally only exists to sell ads to edgy teens
They have two completely different demographics
ITT:Moralfags VS Edgelords in the next Death Battle
It helps that Batman has become a parody of himself.
Don't get me wrong, Frank is a parody of himself on many occasions, but it works better for him because he's too extreme.
Anyway, as a lifelong Batman fan, I have to admit I'm terribly dissapointed in almost everything in the past 20 years.
Batman in JLA is a joke, Morrison Batman is not Batman,just Grant's headcanon, Snyder Batman hasn't been good for ages, and the batfamily keeps growing unecessarily.
Batman was all about lore and atmosphere, now it's plain bullshit and pandering.
Midnighter was created as a Batman parody with Apollo as his gay (Superman) lover. With Apollo as a flying brick with face lazers and Midnighter having a preptime computer in his brain.
All-Star Batman and Robin Batman is probably the craziest incarnation of the character. Frank Miller took everything that people took from his Batman runs (the grim, gritty insanity) and cranked it up to 11.
Legitimately the funniest Batman comic I've ever read
>gary stu the character
Frank is literally "I kill people, I think I'll go kill some more people, and I've decided to continue killing people."
Batman isn't just his costume. He's also Bruce Wayne, and he has far more character depth and exploration than the Punisher ever has. The Punisher's most interesting characters are usually his side characters or cameos. Fuck, Daredevil is a better example than Batman, Daredevil explores themes of guilt, relationships, law, religion and killing. You're literally retarded to say comic book characters are all one note just because your favorite character's most interesting trait is a fucking skull.
True. The thing about punisher max is that there's not much characterization in frank. it's almost always about the villains. frank just kills, it's how and why he kills them is the fun part. plus it's really easy to get into the punisher. all you need to know is that his family got gunned down by mobs and that's it. personally i think the slavers and up is down, black is white is the best max arcs so you're going to love the next ones. oh and if you havent read welcome back frank, do it or just the third issue. if you don't agree with his justification, the you won't like frank.
I never meant to say he's a bad character. I like Punisher comics, I just always thought Frank was the least interesting character in them. The only time I found him really interesting was in "Born", and he's a fucking lunatic for the whole story.
That's unrealistic in a world where the Punisher takes a chain gun and fires it at a house filled with children literally in the beginning of Punisher MAX
He does not care and in the course of his war would have killed at least a handful of innocent people if not dozens
It's why vigilantes are generally frowned upon, because if the cops fuck up as much as they do, what makes Frank fuckin' Castle so special?
He doesn't kill innocents. that's his power.none were killed in his attack on the cesares. he killed a bunch of vigilantes that basically were worshipping him because they accidentally killed innocents. that's just how he was written.
>Punisher never killed an innocent guy!!!
this is almost as bad s the Hulk never killing anyone by accident.
it also proves how comicbooks are for manchildren, since they want their "dark anti-hero vigilante" but don't actually have the guts to take it seriously
and to finish it
>fought in vietnam
>never killed an innocent
sure thing, americuck
Don't really keep up with Punisher and after he went Frankenstein I dropped it. Heard that some time after that his origin was retconned to Iraq war vet to keep him young.
There were incidents were American soldiers did kill civilians, but a good majority was done by the completely inept South Vietnamese army, especially all the misplaced air strikes. It's ignorant to assume every single American soldier in Vietnam was bloodthirsty killer who enjoyed drinking the blood of Vietnamese babies.
You realize most of them didn't want to go to war, right? They were conscripted, which means they had to go risk their lives for something they didn't even believe in and when they got home they were jeered at and ostracized by the same people who claimed to be on their side.
>soldiers fighting off an invading country don't count as innocents!
I mean, yeah. They're soldiers, and therefore not civilians, because a soldier is the polar opposite of a civilian. American freedom fighters weren't considered civilians either. Are you retarded?
>Take it seriously
The point of Hulk is that he was unjustly hunted down. If he kills people and doesn't just fight people who bother him then it defeats the point of the character.
If you don't like the characters, fine, but don't shit on them for not following your bullshit, arbitrary "realism" rules.
>Yeah you guys, these insurgents who indiscriminately murdered Southern Vietnamese civilians or put them in labor camps for not buying their whole communism schtick are totally the good guys :^)
Seriously epic post man, how do you even come up with this crazy stuff?