I know I'm slowpoking, but I really want to know what you guys think about it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmXp802sFgQ
Looks fucking amazing, I might be more excited for season 3 than Rogue One..
>>84536282
Oh shit son, is that the Outrider?
>>84536459
Same type of ship, but Filoni confirmed it's not Dash Rendar.
>>84536282
Were those motherfucking Darktroopers?
>>84536282
Thrawn/10
>>84536507
:(;_;
>>84536282
I like the new looks of Ezra and Sabine, Kanan looks stupid though.
Also, I've never read the Thrawn Trilogy, so I'm not that excite. Is it actually that good?
>>84536672
It's a little dated now since it came out before the prequels, but a lot of people (including myself) have strong memories of it because it basically kickstarted the EU.
I think it's still probably worth reading, Thrawn is a a great character. Or just wait for the new book.
It all looks cool like the season 2 trailer, but after how season 2 ended and horribly disappointed everyone, I'm surprised people are still falling for this.
How many times are we going to dance the hype dance before it becomes clear the show just isn't good?
181ST CONFIRMED
Redpill me on Thrawn. I've never read any book he's in. Why is he so good?
R.I.P The Rebellion
>>84536648
>>84536677
It reminds me of Deadliest Warrior. Except instead of "Who would win? Genghis Khan or Napoleon?" It's Thrawn and Darth Maul, and I love it.
>>84536731
blue buttcheeks
>>84536698
Yeah, figured it was mostly nostalgia. I might just skip it and get a fresh start on him with season 3.
>>84536282
>No usual links
Way to severely fuck up the thread, anon
So, hold up.
The fuck is a Bendu anyway?
>>84536731
He is a genius strategist that studies the culture and philosophy of his opponents.
He respects the force, while at the same time, doesn't get blinded by emotions or go full retard like other Imperial officers.
>>84536714
Season 2 ending was actually good
>>84536805
I think we'll find out
He looks cool
>>84536731
He's a brilliant strategist who can look at a painting for a second and then know everything about his enemies and their entire plans "Just cuz." Had the empire utilized him earlier he could have looked at some Picasso type shit and known the entire plot of A New Hope before Luke was even a Toddler.
>>84536282
The Bendu shit horrifies me
>Once our secret is known
Please, PLEASE don't go the EU route and have the revelation that there is no dark and light
TIME FOR QTS
>>84536714
>season 2 ended and horribly disappointed everyone
what the fuck are you smoking?
>>84536805
True force neutral according to Filoni
>>84536282
>[YouTube] Star Wars Rebels Season Three Trailer (Official) (embed)
So....I haven't been here for a while. Probably a bit late but getting pretty fucking hype. Except for the new hair, bit shit this time.
Also who's Thrawn. I eel like it expects me to know who that is
Will Kanan be able to pull Ezra from the abyss?
Okay who fucked up the OP?
>>84536860
Did he actually say that?
That stuff is nonsense written by idiots that want Jedi to throw Force lightning and use typical dark side things.
Is that Max von Sydow voicing the Jedi-Bendu critter?
also
>Wedge Antilles, defecting TIE pilot
>TIE interceptors (with red stripe - Baron Fel?)
>Y-wings
>battle droids
>The Outrider (Dash Rendar?)
>Scout Troopers
>imperial mandalorians using proto-boba fett concept art
>Dark Troopers
>that Venator model in the back of Tarkin's office
>Governor Pryce who we didn't get to see last seasons, looks like Irina Spalko from Indy 4
>GR75s
>Thrawn voiced by Mads Mikkelsons brother
>Kanan gets possessed by Darth Maul's mom's force ghost thing
p based desu
>>84536714
You are on /co/ who worship all things Filoni. Be prepared for flak.
I agree with you completely though. I thought this looked good, but I said that about Season 2 and that season was fucking terrible. I may see this because of Thrawn but Im not sure
>>84536805
it's a tauren druid, duh
>>84536714
Shut up, Mike. You liked TFA and Jurassic World.
>>84536898
No, it's Tom Fucking Baker!
>>84536898
>Is that Max von Sydow voicing the Jedi-Bendu
Tom Baker
>>84536898
Supposedly confirmed to not be Dash.
>>84536820
>That resolution to nothing
>Not even allowing Ahsoka to die, the mouse forcing them to cop out and show her still alive
>That absurdly silly "Lightsaber helicopter" ruining all the action turning it into a loony tunes cartoon.
>Maul jobbing that hard
>Don't even get a proper fight with Vader
>>84536898
It's Tom Baker.
>>84536860
Didn't he adopt Lucas' view that light is natural state and dark is corruption? Or was that Pablo?
How the fuck did atris not win that contest
>>84536836
The line is actually
>Once a secret is known [...]
It could mean literally anything.
>>84536885
hopefully. this Ezra light/dark side shit has me on edge.and if Ezra kills Kanan its all downhill from there. Hes a guaranteed dark jedi if that happens.
>>84536861
>Also who's Thrawn. I feel like it expects me to know who that is
you dun it now anon
>>84536898
I'm hoping we eventually get some decent r34 of Governor Price and her Tig Ol Bitties
>>84536860
>>84536805
JOLEE BINDU WHEN?
>>84536885
This poster looks like well-done deviant art original content.
>>84536948
>Didn't he adopt Lucas' view that light is natural state and dark is corruption?
Was the original way Lucas had it set up but he changed his mind. Now Light and Dark both exist as parts of the Force.
In his own words the universe needs the selfless and the selfish in order to function and if one ever gains too much power over the other it's bad for everyone.
>>84536898
Tom Baker is Bendu
>>84536898
>>84536945
Filoni confirmed that Dash isn't showing up. He got the woman(?) that helped design that type of ship onto the Rebels team, so she(?) brought it with her to the show for general use.
>>84536948
>>84536938
>>84536933
I don't give a shit about crappy Doctor Who, but I do like the actor's voice
>>84536805
FUCKING HELL FILONI GET OUT OF MY HEAD REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I appear to be predicting what will happen in this show with uncanny accuracy
>>84536830
No he just studied a people's art and culture for months then predicted how they would act in battle.
>>The key to destroying the Sith...
Is what?Is to join them.
>>84536971
>Governor Price
Oh shit, she's the governor of Lothal isn't she?
She's who Tua was standing in for when she got exploded.
Galen Marek when?
>an hour with mark hamill still hasn't been put up
>>84536960
Ok good that's better.
I live in constant fear they're going to make a huge fuck up in the new canon.
>>84537018
neverrrrrrrrrrrrrr
>>84537019
It's on YouTube bro
>>84537012
Yep. The one that's been name dropped plenty of times and never shown.
>>84536731
Go to the mega link in the OPs pastebin and download the comic adaptation of The Thrawn Trilogy.
>>84537002
oh and by saying "crappy Doctor Who" I do not mean to imply that he is a bad iteration of Doctor Who, just that I think Doctor Who is a crappy show
>>84536282
Motherfucking Thrawn, Ezra embracing the dark side, buckle up faggots.
>>84536282
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1468689332647.webm
THRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN
>>84537019
You're a lazy cunt now fuck off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN_Fyjw0UCY
>>84537053
>no OP in this thread because the anon fucked up
:^)
I know it's not his fault but Kanan is kinda a shittier master.
>>84536731
Just read the books. Before Disney came about, they were the closest thing to a sequel trilogy.
>>84537062
TIE Fighter remake when
>>84537078
He wasn't even a real jedi until the ghost of the Grand Inquisitor knighted him. There was no real way it could turn out
>Rebels took all the thunder from Rogue One
Gareth on suicide watch
>>84536960
Sounds more like once Ezra knows the dark side it will forever corrupt him.
>>84537129
ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS SHOW THE TRAILER CJ
Is there a live stream of this stuff anywhere? Every place I go to claims the stream is private.
>>84537129
>Rebels took all the thunder from Rogue One
I thought that was BIG GUN
>>84537129
Felt like it happened last year with TFA too. At least in my opinion.
>>84537162
TFA was hands down the biggest thing last year
>>84537125
EA has exclusive rights to star wars video games. You really want them to make it?
>>84536898
>all this (new canon) worldbuilding
how can one show be so based
>>84537129
>>84537162
>>remove White males, replace with White females: the movie
It isn't surprising.
>>84537171
It's Star Wars. You could attach googly eyes to a lightsaber and it would still sell.
Was this show ever supposed to be this good? I feel like it was supposed to be a forgettable cashgrab.
>that fucking slingshot
>>84537203
Clone Wars had a rocky start too.
>>84537203
You do know he gets rid of it halfway through the first season, right?
>>84536805
He Bendu Nuffin
>>84537171
I was still more excited for Rex and Rebels as a whole.
>>84537203
Are you new?
>>84537149
Day One was taken down because of the Rogue One spoiler. Day 2 is currently up on youtube or Ordo.
>>84537149
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EI8YxV0u2U
Can't wait till Thrawn gets outsmarted by a kid(ezra) and dies in episode 3
Take that Thrawn fags
>>84536885
Dunno will Ezra ever get laid it will he tun into sine edge lord darkside faggot until his timely death by the time we get to New Hope tube in next time to five out!
The interceptors had red stripes on them, and they looked like the ones of the 181st. Since Thrawn is coming back could that mean Baron Fel is coming back too? I liked that comic series
>>84537280
Fuck off contrarian fag.
How long until that Asian dude who spoiled rogue one washes up on a shore dead somewhere?
Delete this thread, OP. you forgot to include any information new people might need.
>no links
>>84537274
what is he so smug about?
>>84537280
>not Sabine
They have the perfect chance to trap him with her explosive art while he's inspecting it. It would be a shame to not use that to, at least, cripple him.
>>84537338
He steals a blind man's twi'lek
>>84537242
Yeah, but putting it into the gayest light saber we've ever seen.
And yet, this show somehow became really good instead.
>>84537292
>>84536898
>Baron Fel
I thought they already created their own DONUT STEEL version of Baron Fel to be the test pilot for the prototype Advanced TIE?
Ask someone who hasn't seen Episode 7 anything
>>84536805
Since people here are stupid and don't know their shit, "Bendu" is what the Jedi were partially called in George's first scripts. "Jedi-Bendu."
They're just reusing the name, much like how Zeb's people believe in a thing called "Ashla" for their religion. "Ashla" and "Bogan" were Light Side and Dark Side in the Je'daii Order.
Learn you some shit.
>>84537357
>To truly understand a species. One must mate with it.
>>84537370
Do you like pie?
>>84537370
why should I care?
>>84536805
is that a lion turtle?
>>84537173
>no Ace Combat: Star Wars ever
>>84536282
>legit thrawn
>dark troopers
>maul Sith-nanigans
>wedge
>mando fun-times
Fuck yes.
How can anyone doubt Filoni the Redeemer now?
>>84537410
>>Lord Filoni, do not hesitate, show no mercy.
>>84536805
Tom Baker.
>>84537357
>>84537380
>BLUED.jpg
>Carrie Fishers panel is at 5 in the morning
>>84537253
>>84537274
Thanks guys. I appreciate it.
>>84537469
She will already be drunk when the panel starts.
>>84537438
Still proud of this
So are they going to skip the EA vidya panel too?
>>84537555
>EA
do you really want to see it?
>>84537438
He hesitated, he didn't kill Ahsoka
>>84537575
they have the license for 10 years, realistically they will probably get a new contract once the first once expires as well.
I've reached the acceptance phase. I just want some new star wars video games.
>>84537575
Not the same guy, but i'm a bit torn, i don't want to have hopes since it's EA, but i want to have hopes since it's Celebration
>>84537633
This. Also I dont think Battlefront was as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
>>84536282
And this is why I was not worried about the loss of the SW:EU.
OFCOURE THEY GOING TO CHERRY PICK THE GOOD SHIT.
>>84537633
It's not the same as wanting GOOD Star Wars games. All I wanted was KOTOR 3.
>>84537575
When is the vidya panel?
Has anyone read Life Debt yet? Is it better than the first one??
>Luke: "You have a rare talent, Rey. Psycometry, the ability to absorb and channel the skills of an object's previous owner while you're in contact with that object."
>Rey: "So that's why flying the Falcon felt so natural ... And why I was able to beat Kylo Ren in a duel!"
>Mark Hammil looks over Rey's shoulder and directly into the camera
>"Yes. That's why."
>>84537660
I think Battlefront has amazing graphics and sound effects that capture the star wars feel perfectly, but the gameplay is incredibly shallow and barebones.
I don't think its a bad game, its just not a true Battlefront game.
Since Thrawn is here, you think they might also put in this cutie?
>Force band doesn't even work
HAHA LAME
Is there a list of novels announced?
>>84537678
10 minutes
>>84537699
Yeah not the best gameplay but when I wanna get my pew pew on it works.
>>84537701
Unlikely. Since the chance that the whole Noghri plot has about 0% chance of being there, he would serve no purpose.
>>84536282
I haven't watched this show since the first episode of season 2. And I gotta say, the cinematography of this new season or at least this trailer looks great!
Also, Sabine a qt.
>>84537664
Well duh, who wouldn't cherry pick the good shit out of the old EU.
It's not like they going to re-canonized the Yuuzhan Vong, because they were shit.
>>84537692
Nah, the fact she's the answer to 1,000 years of the Sith shrine on Coruscant snuffing out the light is why she's literally unstoppable. Sith brought this on the dark side, there must be balance and they cheated and broke the universe. Universe made Rey to dispense justice.
>>84537741
Her new hair is fucking beautiful. I also like Ezra's short hair and Kanan's beard.
>>84537727
But Noghri are hot!
>>84537588
I'm gonna blame the mouse on this one. They said she was dead afterwards, but as far as the show itself is concerned, some higher up told them "That's too far! We can't kill anyone!"
It'll always be what holds back the star wars license.
>>84537776
>Her new hair is fucking beautiful.
Not a fan senpaitachi
>I also like Ezra's short hair and Kanan's beard.
Agreed
>>84537796
Yeah fucking right.
Filoni doesn't have the balls to kill off his own waifu.
>>84537765
>>84537754
Yeah but it feel good to say it after all the pissing and moaning I heard.
>>84536282
Punished Kanan?
Will the twist be that Kanan actually becomes the demon?
>>84537796
Are you an idiot?
They kill off several people in just that episode.
>>84537848a neutral demon
>>84537713
Ahsoka, which we already knew about.
Rogue One: Catalyst, which we also already knew about.
Thrawn centered-novel, titled just that, due out in April.
>>84537797
It's your opinion man, I'm just glad they didn't go with the undercut.
>>84537884
Nameless mooks. Big woop.
>>84537819
Nah, I always have to explain why Rey is a monster decreed by fate itself when there's any mention of her power.
>>84537928
>>84537796
>They said she was dead afterwards
Source?
Doesn't match up with what Filoni said when it aired
>>84537951
They didn't
WE COSTANZA NOW
>>84537754
Artwork of future Clone Wars plots showed the Yuuzhan Vong
>>84537053
What's the name of the comic?
And why is it a good thing that thrawn is showing up pre-OT rather than post-OT?
>>84537979
>What's the name of the comic?
The same as the books
I love how Mark just comes on and fucking rants
>>84538006
absolute ledge
Given his hatred of star wars, would Guinness cameo'd in the new stuff?
>>84538017
A voice cameo, maybe. He would have been way too old to match with Obi-wan's appearance in the OT, if he would have even done that.
Mark is so based.
>>84538031
.....ok?
>>84538045
I wish he was my dad
>this music in the background
what the fuck
>cutting off the stream of hamill
RUUUUDDDEEEE
>>84538130
Thrawn's theme is great. I love when this show does more than just use the tired old themes. My favorite part from season 2, first episodes and finale included is still the star cluster scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydIaUx84HWs
>>84538071
me too wish he was your dad.
>>84538017
Only if the pay was good. Voice cameos tend not to pay that well, so I doubt he would've done it.
REMOVE EWOKS
>>84538168
to be honest the cluster looks absolutely different. but i loved the drama effects there.
I cant wait to find out about that GCW era game whatever it is
>Showing a EA video from a year ago
HOLY FUCK THIS IS LAZY
>replaying the E3 trailer
Am I the only one more excited for the battle droids than anything else? Sure, Thrawn and dark troopers are back, but we were expecting them. Plus, with the way they're looking to be used, they won't just be comic relief.
>>84538202
Its like a month old
Wait, have Respawn's game ever been announced before?
>>84536886
He was just too handsome for the OP.
>>84538202
EA is shit for the foreseeable future, this isn't a surprise.
>>84538227
They're nice and all, but I'd be more excited for a character from TCW than just battle droids. Like one of the few surviving Separatist commanders.
>>84536805
>Bendu
to be fair the original force wielders were not evil or good. that was also the time when the force wielders were most powerful. the whole dark and force shit turned the galaxy into the war zone.
>>84538244
I like how he's Blue Tarkin
>>84538228
Wrong. It's a much older commercial with a few bits of new scenes thrown in like 15 seconds of new stuff
>it's a Mark tells us olde tales episode
so comfy
>>84538228
So the same shit as the Mass Effect Andromeda? Holy shit theey cant get through their heads that NOONE gives a fuck about the devs "pouring their heart out" and their "love" for their project. We all know you will propably deliver an unfinished pile of shit dipshit, your tears are not doing you any good. (And in BIowares case they lost most of their goodwill during the ME3 ending thing)
>>84538250
That's another thing I'm hoping for. Maybe that's because the CIS is my favorite faction.
This panels gonna be boring as shit until they just announce the new fucking games
>>84537203
the first season was utter shit. second season got better. third season is back on the level of clone wars.
I'm a little miffed that Thrawn gets canon before Revan.
>>84538350
Stop with the Revan dick sucking no one cares
>>84536885
>>84536282
THRAWN
OUTRIDER
DASH RENDAR
WEDGE ANTILLIES
Trying to get my friend to watch Rebels but he's really against piracy. Does anywhere still stream the show for free?
>>84538373
>>84538373
Nice fivehead, Mitth'raw'nuruoDORK
>Everyone of the ghostcrew dies except Ezra
>Ezra meets Galen Marek "The first among his brothers and grand master of the inquisition".
>Ezra receives some serious asswhooping.
>survives
>Despite this Ezra helps Galen get a redemption ark
>Ezra finally has someone he can sort of relate to in his life again.
>Galen get's sheeved
>A while later Ezra hears about a cloning program called project starkiller.
>Ezra leads raid on Kamino to put a stop to it.
>Ezra discovers that Galen has been cloned
>Now has to kill a copy of the man he called his friend.
>Destroys the cloning lab on Kamino.
>Ezra becomes captain of a Liberty class cruiser
>Mizel Pomdak becomes his second in command
>Star trek like adventures ensue, as Ezra and his crew try to recruit new factions into the rebel alliance, fight skirmishes against the empire. and take part in the occasional major battle.
>Battle of Endor happens.
>Pomdak dies
>Ezra becomes admiral
>Everyone he ever called a friend wass killed by the empire
>He becomes a hardcore extremist
>Battle of Jakku happens.
>Empire loses most of it's navy
>the galactic core is now defenceless.
>Ezra hears about this and immediatly assembles his fleet for an invasion of Chorusant.
>Finally he can put an end to this madness.
>gets Mon Mothma on the holophone
>"Oh hey dude, we've made a peace with the Guys who killed almost everyone you know and loved."
>"Oh and we're disbanding the military, so you're out of a job now ;^)
>hfw
>>84538415>:3c
>>84538395
Streaming for free is the same as piracy. Caring about it is fucking stupid anyway tell your friend hes a fag.
>>84538386
No Dash, sorry.
>>84538386
yes, yes, no, yes.
>>84538386
We didn't see Dash though. Not even clear if that's the actual Outrider or just the same model.
>>84538395
Is it still up on kisscartoon?
>>84538447
We are clear because they outright said it isn't
>>84538386
>ANTILLIES
Sup casual
>>84538395
>he's really against piracy
Disown him.
The entire concept is nonsense in the information age, the age where media is supposed to be shared and given. I don't tolerate low IQ people yearning to bow to the rich and wealthy when they bend the law to keep them rich and wealthy.
>>84538433
oh rly?
>>84538420
Why did they fuck up the new republic so bad? I mean they werent exactly top tier in legends but now they sound hilariously incompetent, corrupt and mabe even worse than the empire
>>84538428
He is a fag. But at one point StarWars.com and Disney XD had episodes for free and that's basically the only way he'd watch it.
>>84538476
Outrider is not Dash
>>84538476
They literally said its the same model not the same ship.
>>84538476
Filoni said in the panel that it's a YT-2400 but its not the Outrider and Dash will not show up.
>>84538476
Yep, it's not the outrider or Dash.
>>84538476
That's not the Outrider, though.
>>84538476
Feel the death of your soul, feel it.
>>84538478
They needed a fast way to reset everything and make it easy for Empire 2.0 to rise, so they decided Mon Mothma suddenly became retarded and then made everyone in the senate drink retard juice.
>>84536282
Motherfukin' Wedge Antilles
Best pilot in the galaxy.
Don't need no space magic when you got SKILLZ.
please get to the new games no one gives a shit about these
>>84536282
well kanan takes his mask off
>>84538599
what new games
>>84538549
>and then made everyone in the senate drink retard juice.
To be fair, this was bound to happen anyway since politics are universally fucked no matter what.
Fucking sexy-ass cover.
Just caught up with everything. Man, Season 3 of Rebels is going to be fucking awesome.
>>84537053
>comic adaptation
is there an audiobook version?
>>84536885
New Ezra is unf. Hopefully drawfriends make some new material with him and Sabine.Is it just me or does he look like Vikkstar?
>>84537131
but that's not true. obi-wan was fueled by the dark side when he beat maul on naboo.
>>84536282
>pupils
DROPPED
R
O
P
P
E
D
fuck TOR
I don't know why people are getting their hopes up the writing still sounds like shit and the action is still worse than clone wars.
>>84538480
So it's basically all JJ's fault
>tfw living in the reality where Thrawn is a Disney character
>>84538655
Sorry anon, despite all the potential that rebels has, writefags and drawfags alike haven't really put to much effort into the lewd department. I doubt we're gonna see a spike in anything good this season unless things get genuinely romantic (which is rather unlikely).
Great its gonna be Star Wars Asscreed
Who is this landwhale?
>>84538695
I don't get this whole clone wars vs rebels debate. Broadcast network aside, it's made by the EXACT. SAME. PEOPLE.
Clone Wars took a couple of seasons to really get going. The same goes for Rebels.
>>84538665
Not really. He did briefly give in to his anger, then Maul pushed him into the pit. He calmed down then because he realized he had gotten reckless.
CINEMATIC
>>84538731
Reality-456 can pretty cool sometimes. REALITY-456.1, ON THE OTHER HAND.
>>84538767
>not muh
and lesser budget. Other than that, it really is the same.
>>84538743
And so my quest continues.
>>84538767
Eh. I think Clone Wars took at least 1.5 seasons to get...tolerable before cranking it up to Good/Great tier for the last 2. Rebels has, for me anyway, been consistently Good for 1 Season, and Great for the other. Clone Wars helped the crew get to a place where they could competently do Rebels without an awkward early couple of seasons.
I like em both, mind you, but I feel like Rebels has been a bit more consistent in quality. Though perhaps that's just because I much prefer this new artstyle. CW always seemed like a cheap Genndy knockoff due to reusing the same style. It just looked ugly.
>Rogue One: Scarif is the last Battlefront expansion, coming out later this year with R1
>Krennic and Jyn are playable heroes
Get hype for Krennic
>>84536282
>Thrawn
SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>84537393
Oh god dammit.
>>84538908
They didn't learn their lesson with TFA did they?
>>84538929
What do you mean
>>84538767
I was just comparing it to a better show you can switch it out with Voltron if it triggers you.
doe3s anyone know when they will publish the ashoka book?
>>84538948
October 11th. We were told that when it was first announced at the end of March
What was Mark's stage thing about?
>>84538970
thanks dude.
>>84538908
Saw that coming a mile away.
Is Death Star DLC giving us Tarkin and Chewie at least?
>>84538999
When they need to stall for time they bring him out to ramble
>>84538999
Just him talking and taking really dumb questions.
>>84539008
Bossk and Chewie
>>84539032
Chewie's good, but Bossk makes no fucking sense.
they need to have some type of Imperial not a bounty hunter.
>Thrawn is canon again
Well damn, guess I'm picking this up. Mara Jade when?
>>84539032
Thanks.
Any theories on what this is about?
>>84539032
makes sense, bossks gun is already in the game, so is chewies
and wookies and trandoshians dont get along
>>84539084
>Mara Jade when?
Bad news anon, Filoni said no. Legitimately said no and not through a run-around he always gives.
DASH FUCKING RENDAR
