Is there any Marvel book considered 'essential'?
I mean, every discussion about 'works of art' on the comic field always are about DC/Vertigo, Hellboy and the random indie bait.
There is Marvels, which is fucking great, but is there any other acclaimed Marvel work or the company is composed of just a bunch of silly capeshit?
There's no one volume because all the great Marvel stories are runs on comics. Stories told over months/years in 22 issue installments
>>84501490
Annihilation I hear is some of the absolute best cosmic you can ask for, so there's that to add to the list.
Kang Dynasty on Busiek's Avenger's run
What's a really good X-men story?
>>84501532
Annihilation is, sincerely, the best cosmic event ever published.
>>84501490
>is there any other acclaimed Marvel work or the company is composed of just a bunch of silly capeshit?
They have acclaimed capeshit
I am not sure what else you expect from Marvel to be honest, you fucking dingus
Claremont's Xmen
Windsor Smith's Weapon X
Lee/Kirby F4
Ditko/Lee/Romita Spider-Man
Miller's Daredevil
Simonson's Thor
Silver Surfer Requiem
Best of the Marvel stuff is collected by runs so that's why you don't see much comic books from Marvel in clickbait site #10 Top 10 Comic Books of all time.
>MARVELS is "fucking great"
>Everything else from Marvel was the terrible stuff
>>84501490
Infinity Gauntlet, War, and Crusade are a fantastic trilogy. The latter 2 are semi-tough to get through but they're hella worth it. I also consider Thanos Imperative, Civil War, and Secret Invasion/Siege as essential to the heroic age.
>>84501749
Do not listen to this faggot. It's okay to read Infinity trilogy since it's pretty GOAT but just don't read the rest. Maybe Thanos Imperative. Just don't read the rests.
>>84501490
>is there any other acclaimed Marvel work or the company is composed of just a bunch of silly capeshit?
What does this even mean, its all capeshit even the 'acclaimed' stuff.
>>84501884
How is Civil War not essential? Same with Secret Invasion
>>84501933
Because it's a shitty book?
>>84501933
>Civil War
because its hot garbage.
>>84501749
>War and Crusade
lol
Silver Surfer: The Rebirth of Thanos is the definitive Thanos story. I recommend it if you haven't read it.
>Civil War
>Secret Invasion
>Siege
Please don't grief anon
>>84501532
>What's a really good X-men story?
Uncanny X-Force.
Self-contained, beautifully drawn, buffet of classic X-Men themes, edgy, Psylocke.
Although it might be too new.
Barring that there's always:
McFucking Dark Phoenix Saga.
How does /co/ feel about Morrison's New X-Men?
I disliked it.
>>84501933
I don't think OP means in the "essential to comprehending the current narrative", but essential to the cultural, critical, and aesthetic legacy of Marvel Comics™
>>84501582
This might be true.
I preferred War of Kings and Second Coming, but yeah, it was fucking good.
>>84501490
Marvels
Infinity Gauntlet
Maybe God Loves Man Kills
Simonson's Thor
Some of Ditko and Steranko's work certainly
Then there's all of of Lee and Kirby's classic stuff, take your pick on that
Miller's Daredevil
Maybe Morrison's New X-Men
>>84501661
This guy right here knows what's up.
ESPECIALLY Silver Surfer Requiem.
>>84502805
>How does /co/ feel about Morrison's New X-Men?
I honestly didn't mind it, it makes me sad that Morrison hasn't done more Marvel works. I also liked Xornuntil it turned out to be Magneto, I found that a tiny bit annoying.
>>84501490
Squadron Supreme, Earth-X, God Loves Man Kills, Born Again, and Death of Captain Marvel are the best short form stories from Marvel (barring stuff from Epic). Most of Marvel's best stories are in the form of their longform runs. Simonson's Thor, Claremont's X-men, Miller's Daredevil, Lee/Kirby's Fantastic Four, Busiek's Avengers, Starlin's 70s cosmic works like Warlock and Captain Marvel, and stuff like that.
Then Marvel's Watchmen equivalent, as that's the question that seems to always get asked, would obviously be Miracleman, assuming that counts.
>>84503134
I know I'm probably gonna take some flak for it, but the art just didn't work at all with the writing.
The stories were fine, although it felt pretty disjointed at times.
Maybe with different art I'd have liked it more.
>>84501661
Am I the only one who thought silver surfer requim was shit? It was the usual ramble by JMS with an inconsequential ending.
>>84502927
Sterankos nick fury run is probably the best marvel art out of the silver age in my opinion.
>>84501504
But People always recommend stuff like Swamp thing, sandman and Planetary.
>>84501490
Marvels
Miller Daredevil
Ennis Punisher MAX
>>84503385
Sandman and Planetary are both self-contained comics that run under the same creative team (though Sandman switches it up a bit)
Swamp Thing does get a bit more tricky though.
Read Gerber's Howard the duck, Man thing, Omega the unknown and defenders. He was the most creative writer in comics during that period.
>>84503435
Sandman is still a really long multi-year run
>>84502805
I loved Morrison's X-men.
Great world-building, great work on existing characters and great new characters, and it shook up the status quo in a good way.
Some of the art was ehhhh but some of the art was awesome so it's hit or miss on that front. I would have no problem including his run in a list of essential/classic Marvel stories.
Also read Ditko's Spider-man, Ennis Fury max and fury:my war gone by and king's vision.
>>84502805
Dark Phoenix isn't that great in a vacuum though The reason it's super fucking great is because of all the build-up.
>>84503517
My War Gone By is Ennis Fury MAX though
>>84503540
But I said the same, that both are by Ennis?
>>84503474
I wouldn't either. Actually wrote out an incredibly autistic reading list for X-Men for a friend of mine.
Like pages long. Still included it.
I'll agree with the world building, but I feel like every other writer that used his threads, did a better job with it. I know that sounds odd, but that's how I feel.
>>84503537
I dunno that I agree. I suppose if you have no knowledge of some general X-Men themes it might be a little bland, but if you know the triangle, and that Phoenix is OP going in, it stands up pretty damn well.
>>84503620
You're good. Maybe anon didn't know Fury MAX came before Fury MAX: My War Gone By.
>>84503385
But even those long-running comics mostly stand alone.
The best Marvel comics are mostly incestuous with the crossovers and cross-references, and they don't really make sense unless you read a lot of them.
The most famous Marvel story of the '60s for example is probably the "Galactus Trilogy" and that starts midway through one issue and ends partway through another one.
Even the Dark Phoenix Saga doesn't really make much impact if you read it from, say, the last 6 issues. It really pays off years worth of slow-burning storylines, and it only has its full impact if you've been reading X-Men from the reboot onward. And that means wading through the not-so-good issues as well as the good ones.
It hasent finished yet but the 2015 the vision series is probably going to become this.
Nextwave. Miracle Man if it counts. The Twelve. Elektra Assassin.
>>84501582
Story Time?
>>84504515
I don't have the files.
Maybe someone else can do the storytime, idk, but we need to get more people into the best event ever created.
>>84501661
Claremont has good ideas but his writing style is a chore to sludge through.
>>84503357
it looks pretty though
>>84504563
Not to be a dick over some quality effort, but that list really ought to have a sidenote about Deadly Genesis.
>>84504383
It's kind of funny to think that marvels worst era is what finally gives them the must read that dc has so many of.
>>84504653
Marvel's writing style kind of lagged behind DC in the '80s and '90s. They could have had the British writers DC signed up but they had a very specific, traditional way of writing (including insisting most books had to be written Marvel Method).
Marvel modernized its style of writing in the early '00s but up to then you usually have to like captions, thought balloons and exposition dialogue to like Marvel (not that those things are inherently bad, but that's just how Marvel comics were done).
Sentry. By Paul Lee and Jae Lee. It's simply great.
I find the Inhumans book made by them great too, but not so good like Sentry.
Spider Man Blue.
Kraven's last hunt.
Miller's Daredevil.
Silver Suffer Parable.
Personally, i like Moon Knight: Scarlet Redemption. The lasts moon knight's runs are good too.
Vision by Tom King is great.
Some say Hawkeye by Fraction/aja is very good.
Want something more Vertigo like?
Read things published by creator owned imprints from Marvel, like Icon and Epic comics.
A list of things i like.
Blood: a tale.
Moonshadow. (i LOVE this)
Elektra: assassin.
The Last American.
Kick-Ass. (just the first volume).
Criminal.
A while back I asked a similar question as OP. I like Marvel and they have put some good stuff , but is like previous anon said
>The best Marvel comics are mostly incestuous with the crossovers and cross-references, and they don't really make sense unless you read a lot of them.
They have had some good runs and good stories, but they don't have the same rate of standalone Stories as DC and in my opinion not as Iconic either.
Elektra: Assassin
Daredevil: Born Again
Elektra Lives Again
Weapon X
John Byrne's run on Fantastic 4
It will be interesting to see what people think of the current vision series in a few years
Elektra: Assassin
Punisher MAX
Starlin's Captain Marvel/The Death of Captain Marvel
The Phoenix Saga
Sentry
Inhumans
Squadron Supreme By Thomas/Buscema
Loeb/Sale's Colored books
The Last Avengers Story
Rage of Ultron
Ultron Unlimited
Ruins
It think some of the hama silvestri run in wolverine is vastly underrated. And it's beloved. But I still think it's underrated.
Also a more modern case (I know) the Ellis run on moon knight.
The only DC/Vertigo book that is a "work of art" is 7 Miles a Second. They may have produced some great genre material but Marvel and DC are not concerned with art, which is okay.
When I want art comics I read Panter or Yokoyama. I read Marvel and DC for cheap thrills.
>>84502927
All that for sure. I'd add
X-men: Days of Future Past
Death of Captain Marvel
The initial run of Spider-Man
>>84506476
Marvel was better than DC in every aspect through 60's and early 90's in my opinion. New and fresh artists/writers, darker and more adult storylines etc.
>>84510789
This. Marvel was always my favorite.
Exactly what stories does DC have that are essential?
Crisis and Batman shit is really all that come to mind.
>>84503537
The fact that the trade starts out right after Proteus means new readers miss out on a huge part of Jean's unraveling.
>>84503454
Yes, and? Still under 100 issues, still one writer throughout, still an absolute minimum of crossover buggery.
It's not like outright rec'ing "Captain America" or "Thor".
>>84503435
All Swamp Thing's good desu.
Except Vaughn's. Fuck that.
>>84503436
I endorse this statement.
All these comics later and I still feel like I don't "get" Gerber. He's style and themes are so erratic. S'fun.
>>84503357
Yes.
Get out.
>>84501582
>>84510862
I forgot to add Watchmen.
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>>84501490
>ctrl+f
>no Immortal Iron Fist
Guys.
>>84505167
why?
what's different about deadly genesis
>>84501490
Infinity Quest is a great story
>>84501490
I'm a Marvelfag and am totally willing to admit DC's historically better as a quality storytelling company. The only Omnibus I've ever bought is Vertigo as are most of the others I intend to one day.
Having said that it's because of their business practices. Marvel's the far superior marketing machine, has been ever since FF #1. Everything serves the greater whole, essential Marvel comics are ones that draw on decades of canon dating back to Kirby and get you invested in the larger universe rather than standalone as self-contained masterpieces. Hence what >>84501504 said and all the suggestions ITT that consolidate it. It's a practice that carries over to their other media ventures too; compare the linearity of Timm's DCAU to the plethora of less-quality-but-more-varied 90s Marvel cartoons. Or the MCU's dominance of Hollywood to the DCEU's "director-driven" wobbliness.
At the end of the day though if you don't consider Swamp Thing, Doom Patrol, Shade etc "silly capeshit" I don't know what to tell you.
>>84501582
>>84510924
Wait, scratch that, misread as "best comic ever published".
>>84511066
Maybe if the creative team hadn't ditched halfway through...
>>84501532
>What's a really good X-men story?
The first mutant comic I read once getting into the medium was X-Men Legacy by Spurrier. Which ruined the X-Men for me thereafter due to it setting the bar so highand pointing out how shitty the lot of them are.
The Secret Wars mini made me want to check out Morrison's New X-Men, which I did last month. It's pretty good. Equal parts a Greatest Hits of X-Men history and wellspring of originality.
Claremont/Davis Excalibur is GOAT and should be read by everyone but I see it as more of a Captain Britain comic.
>>84510789
>Marvel was better than DC in every aspect
>darker and more adult storylines etc.Just bantz m8
>>84502744Siege was goodIf you've read every Sentry comic leading up to it
>>84503537
Bob pls
>>84502805
Honestly? Not as raw as the mini it inspired made it out to be.
>>84510628
>Death of Captain Marvel
Nothing special in a vaccum desu
Maybe if you precede it with his v1. Or at LEAST the Starlin-penned stuff.
In fact, y'know what? Let's get our priorities straight:
>>84501490
Get your hands on 70s Warlock AS SOON AS FUCKING POSSIBLE.
>>84503198
>Then Marvel's Watchmen equivalent, as that's the question that seems to always get asked, would obviously be Miracleman, assuming that counts.
I've heard it called either Marvels or Squadron Supreme.
But yeah Miracleman's the outright best.
>>84503517
>king's vision
It's weird how this doesn't look out of place.
>>84511386
Would Miracleman even count, though? I mean they weren't even really written at Marvel, they just happen to own the rights now.
>>84510862
Morrison's Doom Patrol
Moore's Swamp Thing
"What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?"
New Gods
O'Neil's The Question
>>84507019
Agrreing with this, and recommending Sentry v2 by Paul Jenkins and John Rominta Jr alongside.
>what's something more Vertigo like?
Man-Thing v3. DEmatties & Sharpe.Regrettably unfinished.
>>84510381
>>84511439
Needs more Sandman & Transmet (if it counts) senpai.Preacher ain't all that great.
>>84510409
>Also a more modern case (I know) the Ellis run on moon knight.
Closest I have to a This.jpg.
>>84511066
M E H
>>84501490
Weird nobody posted it yet: Inhumans by Paul Jenkins & Jae Lee.
>>84511417
And DC didn't originally own the Charlton characters. :^)
But yeah I don't care about the specifics, I'm just taking an opportunity to shill Miracleman to the uninitiated.
>>84511536
Personally, I don't get the hype. The Sentry was better, as were several lesser known Inhumans comics.
It is very possibly just me though. I went in to it looking for a reason to like Inhumans, not as a fan already.
>>84508075
>Weapon X
Easily one of the best comics I've ever read; concise, stylish and completely self-contained. Not to mention the amazing artwork.
>>84511541
Well no, but at least Moore was actually at DC when he wrote Watchmen.
For example, just because EA acquired Bioware doesn't mean that EA should get credit for Baldur's Gate.
I think I speak for all of us when I say Messiah Complex is the best X-Men story
>>84511606
Thanks, now everyone at work is looking at me for laughing.
>>84511606
Never heard of it. Pitch me.
>>84511606
never read that one. My fav X-men story is the Brood Saga.
>>84501490
I would have to say Simonson's Thor is a must read for Cape comics. It handles a broad story perfectly, where it moves from one villain/arc to the next in a seamless fashion and it's all building up to one huge moment.
>>84503134
Xorn was great, though I agree with your assessment.
>>84511767
The fact that moment WASN'T the ending of the run burns my buttocks desu
>>84511224
It's still great from beginning to end tho.
>>84511699
=b
>>84501490
Claremont's X-Men, arguably Busiek's Avengers (it's Marvel's Morrison's JLA imo)
Marvel's licensed comics in the 70's and 80's deserve a mention. Star Wars, Conan the Barbarian, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Planet of The Apes, G.I. Joe, Micronauts, ROM Spaceknight, the Marvel UK Transformers, Zoids and Doctor Who comics... hell, even some of their 90's licensed books were good (Bill & Ted, the various Star Trek comics).
>>84501532
>What's a really good X-men story?
Claremont's run is pretty much good all the way through.
God Loves, Man Kills
Claremont/Miller Wolverine mini
X-Statix
Morrison's run is overall pretty solid, but loses its way at the end.
>>84501933
Civil War was a shit event with some great tie-ins and a really interesting change in the status quo.
>>84502927
>all of of Lee and Kirby's classic stuff
Eeeehhhhhhhh... I love those guys, but their X-Men run wasn't that good, and their Avengers was by-the-numbers monster-of-the-week stuff until Cap and his Kooky Quartet make the scene... where, to be fair, it was STILL a lot of monster-of-the-week stuff, but at least the team was more cohesive.
>>84501490
Essential Marvel or Essential reading? Are we talking runs or specific story arcs?
Specific Story Arcs--
Marvels is great.
>Jenkins/Lee Inhumans and Sentry
>Daredevil Born Again
>Millar/Hitch Ultimates 2
>Whedon/Cassaday Astonishing X-men
>Thor God of Thunder Godbutcher+Godbomb
Runner up--
>Infinity Gauntlet
Those are excellent books.
In terms of some essential Marvel reading?
>Thor Eternals Saga 1 & 2
>New X-men by Morrison
>Remenders X-Force
>Simonson's Thor
>Miller Daredevil
>>84501490
This was a major problem for the company pre Joe Q. That being said there are several classic works. Trouble is, you used the term 'capshit' unironically. Watchmen was capshit so was DKR. Maybe fix that next time.
>>84501504
This shit could apply to anything. Nothing Stan Lee or jack Kirby or even Ditko ever did stands up to stand along pieces like the Dark Knight Returns or Watchmen. Sorry.
>>84501599
Western comics like Preacher or Jonah Hex. Or war comics like the Haunted Tank and Frankenstein. Possibly horror along the lines of Hellblazer or Swamp thing. Maybe a lineup with more storytelling depth than 'Namor attacks NYC for the five millionth time'.
>>84502986
which was capeshit with Spiderman and FF
>>84517398
'60s Marvel is like the Bible or the Odyssey or some other founding text of civilization. It doesn't have the consistent storytelling and characterization you expect from a modern work of art but it doesn't matter because the root of everything (in this case all modern comics) is there.
Watchmen or Dark Knight Returns are by people who were conscious that what they were doing was art.
>>84516725
>>Thor God of Thunder Godbutcher+Godbomb
It really wasnt that great. The art was fantastic and it started of pretty good but it didn't deliver in the end. great concepts but poorly written.
Good thor?
>simonson
>blood brothers (same artist as god butcher and far better story)
>JMS
And god damn it i don't remember the name but the 4 short stories where one of them is a priest asking him how god exists if he does. 3 great stories 1 fun story
>>84517477
So was ditko dr strange and a lot of the early marvel and dc
>>84517477
Except comics started like thirty years before that. So Kane and Siegel BTFO Kirby and company.
>>84517537
Thor by JMS was amazing. No one really gave props to Gaiman and his 1602 and Eternals. Let's see. Pretty much can't praise Miller's DD and Elektra work enough. Its bizarre enough even for pretentious indy types.
>>84516725
>Whedon's X-men
No. If your going X-men Morrison is your ticket. New X was leaps ahead of Whedon's paint by the numbers. So was Ellis' run on Ex. Also speaking of X runs no love for Alan Moore's Excalibur?
>>84517887
Golden Age comics definitely are like a sacred text. They're very crude and the artists were often young and inexperienced, but we don't judge them the way we would judge a novel or a play.
>>84517477
fantastic four and early amazing spiderman were more than that, they were legit greats structured stories, i think that era of spiderman is one of the works that planted the seed of what we see as "arcs" nowadays in comics, and it was also the character in his most pure form and the stories that followed that slate closely instead of just making dull references to it are some of the best, it wasn´t because he was a teen, it was because of his ideals and his constant sense of right and his struggle
>>84517958
>Morrison is your ticket. New X was leaps ahead of Whedon's paint by the numbers. So was Ellis' run on Ex
So much fanboyism in this post. Morrisons x men was not that great. It attempted to be something it never lived up to. Whedons actually lived up to its fun goal. And ellis' was just a paycheck
Even if it is one of the most well known stories, and in spite of the movie, I think Days of the Future past is the best X-Men story, and one of the most influential ones, I may be wrong but I think originated pretty much the trope of the time traveler from the future who travels to the past to prevent his horrible reality.
I dont think we would have had Terminator movies (or even Back to the future ones) without that comic.
And it is a very solid story too.
It is in no way artsy or pretentious btw. Marvel doesnt have many comics that deliberatedly want to be "high art".
>>84516725
I consolidate the God of Thunder rec but calling it essential/classic is just going to stir shit.
>>84518236
I wish Marvel would market just those two issues as a cheap trade, it might make a better impression on people.
The trades called "Days of Future Past" fill out those two issues with other (mostly unrelated) issues or later stories about the DoFP idea. But it's just a two issue story and doesn't need to be longer.
>>84517398
You are everything that went wrong with the comics industry.
>>84517537
Thor Heaven and Earth, by Jenkins
>>84518359
that reminds me of the omnibus of ultimate death of spiderman of my country, it came with the usual arc, and then it had ultimates 3 and ultimate avengers vs new ultimates, i can understand one issue of those because it shows when spidey got shot from another perspective but the rest is completely unrelated and ultimates 3 isn't even complete there, they should have included the prelude issues instead of so much filler
>>84518408
Thank you. Heaven and Earth was a great set of stories
>>84518408
>ariel olivetti
holy fuck i need to read this
>>84518612
It's good. Not just the art
>>84511205
I think Marvel is better at telling a cohesive and interesting universe than DC is. I mean if you name off all the best runs of DC, they're usually just one-offs, limited series, or events. I mean even in the sprawling BatEpic that Morrison penned in, it barely touches anyone outside of the Bat-Family.
Take Hickman's FF and it's grounded in several Marvel properties from the start. It's a story that could not be reproduced with DC equivalents. Same with most X-Men stories, many team-ups, and singular character runs.
>>84518888
I dunno... There have been periods (Identity Crisis to new 52 for example) where the DC universe felt very connected.
>>84518888
and daredevil's guardian devil is extremely connected to spiderman
>>84519027
Well I think 52 leading up to Final Crisis was definitely a case of that but even then... 52 felt more like an artificial universe. Like a connection between just the characters involved in 52.
>>84510381
Good one
>>84515639
When I said all of Lee/Kirby, I more meant you can pick out the stuff you think is really stand out. I'd argue it deserves some accolades for starting out all these landmark runs, though obviously some of them were handled better by others.
Also, I can't believe I forgot Claremont's X-Men
>>84518612
Each issue's a different artist. Sorry fampai.You ever read Namor The First Mutant?
>>84519473
Not that anon, but no. I always figure namor was a great side character. How wrong am i?
>>84518888
Oh definitely. Lee cameoing the FF in Spider-Man and Hulk in Thor and reintroduction of Cap & Namor was novel at the time. To this day DC's dropping universe-shattering lore bombs like the various parliaments in Swamp Thing or the kalpa bitch from JLD which NEVER COME UP in other series.
I think the Hypercrisis threads put it well. DC's an organically grown universe, full of all the atavisms and inconsistencies that entails. Whereas Marvels an artificially constructed universe, custom made for internal synergy and efficiency. But at the same time lacking a lot of the depth biology provides.
>>84519473
that looks great, i'll read it, i also have the milligan and esad ribic one on my to-read list
>>84504563
>>84519747
Good shit. Two of the three best Namor comics IMO.
Keep an eye on the catalog, there's an ongoing Namor storytime that might be doing the third (and runaway best) in a few threads time, ~issue 30.
>>84519594
In my personal opinion, not that wrong. The character's definitely got his appeal (who doesn't love Sea Vegeta) and as the first comic antihero he was definitely novel for his time but I never read for him so much as for his surrounding atmosphere and themes and lore. Literally Deepest.
Better than Aquaman at any rate. Which is probably why the movie version looks more like him than Aquaman. :^)
Ruins
1985
Old man Logan
marvel Knights Daredevil & MK Punisher
I remember reading a Namor miniseries that was storytimed on /co/ a few years ago, it was from the point of view of a group of guys in a submarine trying to find Atlantis. It was basically a horror story where Namor was the monster. I remember really liking it.
Anyone know what I'm talking about?
>>84521395
It's called Sub-Mariner I believe.
>>84521414
You're right, Sub-Mariner: The Depths. Thanks!
I haven't read it in a while but I remember thinking it was fantastic, I don't see it on a lot of must-read lists though. Do people not like it or is it just not well-known?
>>84521584
>Do people not like it or is it just not well-known?
It's just not that well known. I love it too, it's essentially Alien with Namor in it.
>No unstable molecules
Bitches Love Spider-Man is my favorite series
I guess Gillen's kid Loki saga too
>>84521635
This. Also: Omega The Unknown, the original and newish one by Lethem
>>84522562
I'm sorry, anon, my smiles were genuine.
>>84522614
Ok, no biggie
>>84517537
Rob Rodi. He is good. He did a good Purgatori story actually.
Blood brothers was good. Wouldn't call it must own though. I really think JMS thor run is one of the most criminally overrated runs ever. It really wasn't even that good.
>>84517958
Morrison's X-men was in there, I was just trying to differentiate between long runs and story arcs.
>>84518353
Eh... if it does, it does. I am still moved by it even now. And also the last issue of is run. Which is why his Jane Foster stuff drives me up a wall.
I guess.. if I had to add anything else for Thor I'd say "To Wake the Mangog." That epic collection has some good stuff. I am surprised at how good old Thor really is.
A lot of Jergen's Thor was good. It had some misses, but I really liked it. Not essential Marvel, but good.
>>84523027
>Which is why his Jane Foster stuff drives me up a wall.
I firmly believe that if anyone collected all the FemThor issues, removed the pages with Jane in them, and published it as a book about Dario Agger and Loki, it would be pretty dope.
It's just whenever Jane appears Aaron turns into a fucking moron.
>>84523158
True enough. I mean, his pacing and dialogue is all there. Russell Dautermann is amazing. He's such a great artist I suffered through all of Superbia (which should've been great but stumbled hard).
I think if you just didn't know anything about Thor it would probably be an excellent book. But I just can't look past all the inconsistencies given how much Thor I've read.
>>84523219
It's really frustrating.
Whatever, Unworthy is coming, Coipel is back, I'm super amped.
>>84523282
Very excited. Agreed. I didn't like Coipel on JMS Thor. His people were too squat and square-faced.But he has a great, dynamic and clean storytelling style, and his artwork made subtle improvements in terms of giving characters better faces/body types and now he's really just an incredible artist after making a few small changes.
I hope he stays on a while.
Miracleman is technically owned my Marvel right now I think, though it's certainly not their comic
It's funny how Marvel is always lauded for having more real and flawed characters than DC but they haven't actually done any meaningful stories with any of them
