I really like how topical FalCap is
It's seems to be one of the few Marvel books that's trying to have an identity
it really jumps in quality to me, sometimes i really like an issue and sometimes it puts me to sleep
That's actually one of the reasons i'm not reading it.
>>84427359
you seem like you have a chip on your shoulder
on a semi-related note, any chance you're a virgin who doesn't socialize that much?
>>84427242
Being different is interesting and worth checking out
>>84427457
You virginity shaming m8?
Shit, I'm going to go blog about this right now.
Its a good book because Spencer is a good writer, not because its topical. In fact the topicalness of it has made it ine of Spencers weakest books but its still good.
Civil War was topical and it was shit.
>>84427007
So, do the Americops defeat evil Lucha man and his gang of evil stereotypical niggas?
>>84427478
And it's not different, because like every Marvel title currently running it's about social justice and muh norities.
>>84427527
>evil Lucha Man
That man was an Avenger, you ass!
>>84427550
>I don't read comics
back2/pol/
>>84427524
>Civil War was topical and it was shit.
it wasn't topical at all, it was just an attempt at injecting "realism" and "serious politics" into superhero comics, hoping to create "intense debate"
>>84427576
Civil War was openly a Patriot Act thing
>>84427524
Civil War was "interesting", a fun read unlike most other Marvel events
>>84427576
CW was a xommentary on Bush politics
>>84427007
>Bringing back Rage
damn Spencer is really digging deep
>>84427588
Why did Millar say Ironman was right?
>>84427562
Everyone and their mothers is an Avenger nowadays.
>>84427615
He used up all currently active black heroes last issue
>>84427550
Wow, are you some sort of racist? WOW.
>>84427623
He never said that. He said that both sides were right in their own way.
>>84427007
I like that Americop design. Something about blank reflective face masks just looks good and intimidating to me.
>Oh no! A superhero is fighting a strawman of a current social issue! Can he prevail against racial profiling and police militarization by punching the human embodiment of Big Business? Find out next week!
>>84427623
He was being facetious. He hates cape fans.
>>84427628
>nowadays
He was an Avenger in the 80's. Read a comic book.
>>84429182
Welcome to comic books. Either learn to enjoy it or get out.
>>84429250
>Welcome to comic books
Capeshit doesn't have to be actual shit you know right? Welcome to comic books is a stupid fucking meme.
>>84429250
>To like comic books you must like extremely shallow social commentary
Gee I never knew. And here I thought I should appreciate comics for their writing and art
>>84427527
He shoots a bunch of them before being killed by a robot.
>>84429497
Why would the robots kill people? That's not how robotic Police would work at all.
Robotic police are the solution to all of our problems why are Marvel demonizing them fuck.
>>84427575
I like how any argument against SJW shit, no matter how well reasoned and calm, just gets a "HURHURHUR BACK 2 POL." Clearly nobody could possibly have a legitimate reason to dislike poorly written pandering in their comics, we just want all blacks to die, or whatever.
The problem I have with this book is that it makes no effort to fairly present both sides of an issue. This book is clearly Spencer shoving his own viewpoints into this story. I mean sometimes one side clearly is in the right and one is clearly in the wrong, but this shit is not like that. this book just feels gross to me. It reeks of grandstanding and self granted moral superiority.
So what do you think the next ripped from the headlines arc s gonna be?Who are we kidding, it's gun control
>>84429542
Listen a true feminist wouldn't respond like that so you aren't allowed to criticise anything, anyone does.
Now stop being a bigot and eat your slop pig.
>>84429573
There's no reason to be fair and balanced if that's their view. Especially when it's black and white capeshit.
>>84429606
Even Lex Luthor gets a motivation and comes off as slightly grey when written well, yet real world issues don't deserve that.
No, it's shit writing, there's no excuse, just because the medium is covered in hacks doesn't mean the medium in inferior. Stop allowing cancer to grow.
>>84429542
But were not all just going to die, so you cry about that. back to the main point; I mean, marvel's pandering can be a bit ridiculous but its line ups not all bad. And you actively choosing not read a recommendation thats actually good its cutting your own nose off to spite your face. No one cares about you, man.
>>84429542
>>84429690
>But were not all just going to die, so you cry about that.
Nice job missing the point.
>>84429606
That's kind of my point. Regardless of which side you take is the superhero genre the right platform to be tackling these issues?
Also, I feel like writing about these issues where you have to put yourself in the other viewpoint should give you a greater understanding of their motivations and perspective. Yet, all I ever see is stuff like this book. Where the police are these ridiculous, super radicial, state sanctioned gestapo. I think you're doing your own message a disservice when you have to portray the other side in such a ridiculous manner to make yourself look correct.
>>84429542
But you dont give legit criticism you just come unto every thread going "nigger haha nigger fag cuck"
>>84427007
I agree anon, it's really powerful how they confront those strawmen.
>>84429723
Lmao i could say the same to you dude
How the fuck is seeing the definate future like racial profiling. The probability thing makes no sense because who could predict thanos would grab a giant fucking gun and come to earth for the cosmic cube again
>>84427007
I'm still waiting for them to reveal what the Hell their connection to the original Americop, who was a lone wolf Punisher-lite vigilante, is supposed to be.
>Sam was seen hanging out with Night Thrasher to take down the Kingpin
>Wants to go find Rage and calm him down
>Knows Rage used to be a New Warrior
>Doesn't call Night Thrasher to help
?????????
>>84429769
The Anon literally said your strawman says they want all black people to die, and then you replied well all blacks aren't gonna die so go cry.
What did I miss there?
>>84429806
The rest of the damn post are you blind
>>84427007
Shit like this is why black people will never get out of the ghetto.
They're constantly fed this idea that the whole world is against them and that they should go out and murder cops.
This shit needs to stop.
>>84429865
Yeah I read it you never go back from calling the person a racist who wants all black people to die.
>>84429896
No it's so powerful! It really has an identity!
>>84429690
>>84429715
it's shitposts like this that only encourage more people to go full /pol/tard
>>84429542
>muh norities
>any argument against SJW shit, no matter how well reasoned and calm
>well reasoned
>well reasoned
>well reasoned
>>84429911
if the shoe fits
>>84429976
Emancipation was a mistake.
>>84427478
It's so heavy handed feels like a gimmick to me. It being ~relevant~ doesn't make the quality any better to me really either.
Besides that i've started to grow tired of Spencer's dialgoue.
>>84429690
I can't believe I have to spell this out but I wasn't saying all blacks should die, that was to emphasize the strawman argument pol boogeyman posters play up. The point is people critical of Marvel's current direction DON'T want all blacks to die, and aren't even against diversity in comics, but have an issue with the hamfisted, terrible storytelling currently at play across nearly all titles.
In short, you are an idiot.
>>84429780
they can't all into continuity like Ewing can
Reading this left me feeling like I got hit by a bat.
Just a reminder that Marvel let Nick Spencer, a HILLARY CLINTON supporter; write both captain americas.
When will this ride end? When will we get a good Captain America run again?
>>84432198
never
>>84427562
I was an avenger last week
>>84432198
What wonderful propoganda you posted. That poor poor trump supporter, It's as if beating up dissidents as they were being escorted out wasn't part of every other rally instead of just angry people outside who are not directly goaded on by the candidate themselves!
>"Good Cap" is conservative.
You want US Agent. John Walker. Easy mistake, glad I could help you out. ;^)You'd know that if you read comics (or at least wikipedia articles)Oh wait, /pol/ doesn't read comics!
Anyone find it strange how Constrictor died off in 2 pages?
>>84432198
I think Ed Brubaker is pretty liberal
>>84432626
>"Good Cap" supports the political establishment
>>84432734
If he believes the establishment represents the American ideal, yes
>>84432763
And who is stupid enough to believe that?I'm not a Trump supporter though btw
>>84432787
I guess that depends on what you think the American ideal is
Are there any good examples of topical, ripped-from-the-headlines comics that aren't just soapboxing?
>>84432879
Sheriff of Babylon, for a certain definition of topical
>>84432198
I (thankfully) haven't read Marvel in years. This is an edit, right?
>>84432926
yes
>>84432964
Anyone have the original for comparison purposes?
>>84429733
> Regardless of which side you take is the superhero genre the right platform to be tackling these issues?
It's as if people think this is the first time cape comics have taken a side on an issue. Shit I can only imagine how you people feel about old green arrow comics.
>>84432734
So you're talking trump logic or bernie logic?
There is no "political establishment" that people will agree on bipartisan aside from lobbists and Cap telling off some military brass when they want him to be an obedient soldier and he disagrees.Just in case you're pulling some MAGA shit
>implying Trump won't take the precious shekels from the old jewish 'kingmakers' like every other candidate who wants to win does, which makes re-tweeting /pol/shit that much funnier
>thinking his campaign isn't pandering theatre to jerk off the egos of the base because they're all such easy, slutty lays
why the fuck is /co/ so /pol/ lately
>>84432926
>This is an edit, right?
Of course not, are you retarded or something?
>>84433191
Marvel's tactic of shock advertising through news outlets with HydraCap and Trump Modok instead of making good comics are bringing them over.
>>84429250
you gringo shit does not represent comics books
>>84433191
Election year.
>>84432626
Did I fucking stutter?
I asked about a good cap run, you bumbling idiot. I like my Captain America to be involved with a fictional US, not what the current writers viewpoint is.
And god forbid I have a political view and read comics!
>It's as if beating up dissidents as they were being escorted out
Do you fucking remember San Jose?
https://youtu.be/svaGiSj8Pdo
Not one fucking trump hand raised.
I'm sorry that you had to donate your college fund to Bernie Panders, but Jesus fucking Christ, at least attend a community college, you fucking cum stain.
Captain America was historically a fairly topical book, in the 70's exploring racism and black poverty, and youth crime and gun violence.
It sets Cap apart, like how Green Lantern Green Arrow set GA apart from other books.
I don't really agree with Spencer's politics, but I find he presents it in a way that actually makes me think about it, as opposed to something like Whor that's just wankery or Angela that's useless strawmanning.
>>84427527
>he doesn't know about RAGE
>>84432449
Can someone explain to me why randomly bolding WORDS has been a continuous trend in comics for decades? It's not acceptable in any other form of writing.
>>84433415
It makes me think about it and realize it's kinda dumb, but then again I'm not really American so maybe the issue isn't as close to me, so what comes off as stupid (Americops? Fucking really? That's just funny!) might strike a note to the intended audience or something. You tell me.
>>84432918
Eh, maybe 10 years ago it would have been, when the war in the middle east was still fresh. Now it's just the norm.
>>84433284
>advertising their comics on comic websites
>comics on comic websites
>comic websites
Ah yes, comicsalliance, where I go to get my daily news of the world.
>>84433550
Popularized by Frank Miller.
>>84433339
When did i identify as anything besides someone who thinks Trump supporters are laughable?
>I like my Captain America to be involved in a safe sanitized fiction that doesn't threaten me with interesting ideas or reflect the world of the people who make and buy it
God forbid>I don't like having my political values questioned because I lack the self-awareness to separate my hurt feelings and identity from my alleged "political speech"
>>84433316
>>84433284
Fuck
Didn't a new wave of janitors get hired?
>>84433626
It's more like "the US intervention was terrible and that's why ISIS exists now"
>>84433830
Captain America comics were better when the politics were toned down.
This is right in your fucking face.
>When did i identify as anything besides someone who thinks Trump supporters are laughable?
Alright you got me there. But, I can probably deduce youre either a Gary Johnson supporter, or a Shillary supporter, and in both cases, everyone should laugh at you.
>I like my Captain America to be involved in a safe sanitized fiction that doesn't threaten me with interesting ideas or reflect the world of the people who make and buy it
I like my Capeshit to be about superheroics, saving people, human philosophy, not fucking real politics. The last good political story Marvel put out was about Norman Osborn, A FICTIONAL CHARACTER. You know why DC is doing so well in sales and critical reception? Not a single lick of modern politics, so far atleast. I know I'll be jumping off that bandwagon if they do.
>I don't like having my political values questioned because I lack the self-awareness to separate my hurt feelings and identity from my alleged "political speech"
No, infact I do like having my political values questioned. I fucking love talking about politics, just not in my comics. I just don't like people that willing and knowingly support a dishonest criminal, which is where my feelings are coming from.
>>84427007
>It's seems to be one of the few Marvel books that's trying to have an identity
It makes terribly joyless in my opinion.
FalCap knows no one wants him as Cap.
The writers knows nobody wants him as Cap.
Falco knows he doesn't want to be Cap.
So it just becomes "People that wished they were somewhere else to the point of being kind of bitter to each other: The Book".
>>84433712
I'm talking about making shock moments then publicizing it through non-comic outlets to increase chatter, you dense fuck.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2016/05/25/captain-america-comic-book-reveal/84896522/
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/25/captain-america-villain-hydra-nick-spencer-tom-brevoort
http://time.com/4347224/captain-america-hydra-agent-marvel-tom-brevoort/
/pol/ had several threads shitting on HydraCap and most recently black Fe-Male.
>>84434141
DC is moving Green Arrow in a political direction.
As for your opinion more generally, it seems a bit silly to say that certain media genres must be barred from having political commentary in them, and that if they do it must be balanced and give value to both sides. If someone wants to make political statements to a ragtime tune so be it.
>>84433587
I disagree with a lot of the stuff in GL/GA as well, but it makes me think about WHY I disagree with it. And it doesn't do it in a way that fucking pisses me off like Andrew Dobson or Kate Leth.
If there's one thing I hate, it's when people are dismissive of my perspective, so I feel like it's only right that I'm not dismissive of theirs.
I'm not very political though, so I don't have very strong opinions.
>>84427007
I'm sorry... "Americops?"
I think that's probably the most retarded thing I've heard in quite a while.
Remember when Cap found out 616 Nixon was a secret Nazi who killed himself in front of Cap bc he got found out
>>84434510
Frankly I think both left and right are dismissive of each other's views, even on topics that are murky.
I think most people are dismissive of xenophobia and racebaiting that Trump participates in though, and rightfully so. It's easy to make him into a charicature.
>>84432879
I don't know if it's "ripped from the headlines" exactly but Alan Moore's Swamp Thing has some seriously great issues on sexism, racism, and gun ownership in the US.
Grant Morrison's Animal Man is fantastic and also has a strong environmental message, although it comes off a bit forced at times and is arguably one of the weaker aspects of the run
>>84434536
http://www.nationalservice.gov/programs/americorps
>>84434536
That is because Spencer is shitting on Gruenwald, as usual.
Americop originally was a character introduced alongside Jack Flag, near the end of the Gruenwald run. Basically a blue collar Punisher, who quit the police department he worked for in Texas, cause the local cops were all on the Cartel payroll and turning a blind eye to child slavery as far as kids being kidnapped and sold to rich perverts and Baron Zemo (who wanted to have kids to raise after his new wife turned frigid bitch on him and refused to fuck him once she got the ring on her finger).
Gruenwald further had him established as Punisher 2099's grandfather, making him a tie to the 2099 universe.
He's a cool character, one of the better Punisher rip-offs in the Marvel Universe. Think Dean Winchester from Supernatural, with a blank, featureless mask and a police uniform fetish outfit.
>>84429250
Why cant the sjw shit leave instead?
>>84429777
The connection is that Spencer HATES HATES HATES Gruenwald and has made his life's goal to shit on everything good Gruenwald did while elevating all of the shit that Gruenwald did that we were supposed to hate (like D-Man, a joke character Gruenwald created and treated like a pinata) or not even the most strident Gruenwald fanboy would defend (Cap-Wolf).
See also what Spencer did to Diamondback, which is on par with the wholesale character derailment he's done with Americop here....
>>84429780
Night Thrasher and Rage aren't on good terms. IIRC NT took Sillouette's side when she cucked NT with his thug half-brother Bandit.
>>84429250
More like:
Welcome to Marvel comic books. Either learn to enjoy it or read something better.
>>84432626
USAgent''s going to get shitted on to high heavens. And probably worse, given that unlike Diamondback, John Walker doesn't have waifu status to shield him from harm and the fact that Marvel's made it clear on countless occasions, that they want to kill John off so they can be rid of him.
>>84427007
Uh, if they live there, it makes less sense for them to loiter. I hate loitering.
>>84435296
Probably just playing Pokemon Go
>>84435134
Yeah, that sounds believable and not like the rantings of an insane man.
>>84434979
That actually sounds cool and a better story than the 3 issues I've read of Captain Falcon.
>tfw you originally felt bad that Spencer got all those death threats after HydraCap but that feeling has gradually gone away
>>84434479
I haven't bought Green Arrow, but I do know he's been a bleeding heart liberal for decades. But I haven't seen any real life allegories yet in that comic.
>As for your opinion more generally, it seems a bit silly to say that certain media genres must be barred from having political commentary in them, and that if they do it must be balanced and give value to both sides. If someone wants to make political statements to a ragtime tune so be it.
I see what you're saying, but theyre shitting on the opinions of long-time and potential readers. Art is definitely a way to express your feelings, I would know, I'm an artist myself; but, when you put the business factor into it, you should still consider your other readers.
>>84433191
Because political correctness has become politically incorrect.
>>84433550
>randomly
Have you never heard anyone speak before?
>>84427524
Spencer doesn't know how to write topical without it coming of as forced.
Plus idk if it fits Falcap. The movies have put Falcon with the Avengers, so have him be a global superhero. Let Luke Cage deal with these kinds of stuff.
>>84435134
>like D-Man, a joke character Gruenwald created and treated like a pinata
Shut the fuck up, D-Man is awesome. I like him.
>>84427550
I didn't know MK had some sj bullshit.
>>84438183
I really think they should combine all of Falcon's origins if they want to do something topical with him. Former gangster who straightened his life out in the military then when on to do community outreach and became a superhero works really fucking well.
>>84427007
Oh cool, a bait thread.
How topical.
>>84429733
I agree
We need Red Skull to be written more sympathetically
>>84432198
If you're a Trump supporter or extreme right wing idiot then you need to find a new hobby
>>84434251
>FalCap knows no one wants him as Cap.
>The writers knows nobody wants him as Cap.
>Falco knows he doesn't want to be Cap.
Bullshit
He deserves to be Cap more than Bucky
It's just a few racists
>>84435048
>I don't read comics and never have done
>>84434536
People actually use that term. Because it's globally understood that American cops are bloodthirsty thugs for the most part.
>>84429182
>a strawman
would be if it wasn't so realistic
>>84429028
Tony's side just happened to do a lot of evil shit which discredited their position.
>>84432449
The only part that bothered me about that was Constrictor dying of cancer in a flashback.
>>84439840
Steve Rogers is the only one that 'deserves' to be cap because the things that made 'cap' great are the things Steve Rogers did. Cap isn't like a Green Lantern or Nova, one of many recruited to follow a code. Steve Rogers felt an obligation to help and do what he could to fight the nazi, and that way of thinking and doing has led him to where he is now.
You want someone to use the shield? Fine have someone use the shield because that isn't what made Captain America. Steve Rogers is what made Captain America.
There is this trend of 'race swapping' and 'gender swapping' that has been going on, and it is stupid because not only does it remove white male heroes in stupid ways, but it also sends the message that other races and genders need to be empowered by a white man in order to be worth anything or accomplish anything.
Miles and Kamala are the main exceptions because they haven't replaced their heroes. Miles was on Ultimate universe where Peter Parker had died a while ago and now he is the Robin to Peter's Batman. Kamala was a huge Captain Marvel fan who wrote fanfics about her fighting monsters, and now Kamala is with the Inhumans.
Whore, FalCap, and others like this new Iron (wo)Man are just stupid. Bring back some of the interesting old superheroes or pull a 3-D man from Secret Invasion and have that older hero pass the torch to someone else who can be a different race.
When you pander like they are with Whore and FalCap shit becomes terrible because you end up with pandering being your first goal, supporting this horrible decision being the second goal, using the character as a soapbox as the third, and maybe story as a fourth goal if you are lucky.
>>84440728
Riri isn't replacing Tony. Victor von Doom is.
Riri is Iron Woman or Iron Girl or something. She's Barbara Gordon tier.
>>84440728
>I don't read comics
>>84440728
>Whore, FalCap, and others like this new Iron (wo)Man are just stupid. Bring back some of the interesting old superheroes or pull a 3-D man from Secret Invasion and have that older hero pass the torch to someone else who can be a different race.
Well, the new Iron Man thing does seem to be like a passing of the torch. Which I'm okay with. A prodigy kid picking up Iron Man's torch is 100% how it should go. New generations improve on the old generation's tech and shit.
Of course, it's also written by Bendis, so it's going to be clumsy, dumb, and boring, but the basic idea is solid. And yes, I'm fucking annoyed they're having Bendis write this.
>>84434979
>Gruenwald further had him established as Punisher 2099's grandfather, making him a tie to the 2099 universe.
Wait, when the fuck did this happen?
>>84440651
At least it's better than dying cause some scrub killed ya.
>>84429534
Didn't a robotic police officer just kill a black man IRL?
>>84429733
I think it can work perfectly fine. Imagine Gotham PD dealing with BLM. But there's zero political diversity in comics. I mean Frank Miller is as far right as the big two gets, and he's a Hillary supporter.
>>84440744
I thought Riri was becoming War Machine.
>>84440746
I read comics, and the comic that comes to mind is the one that happened right after Civil War I, where Hawkeye reappears and Tony tries to recruit him and get him to dress up like Cap because Hawkeye is the only one that can use the shield without accidentally decapitating himself.
Hawkeye goes out in Cap's armor and tries to stop a mugging, but Patriot and the new teenage female Hawkeye beat him to the punch. They rip into him and make him realize that you can't just put a guy in Cap's suit and end up with a new Captain America.
Somewhere along the line, Marvel forgot this comic and the important message it had.
>>84440839
Riri appeared in War Machine looking armor, but then Bendis announced that she would be replacing Tony Stark as Iron Man because she is smarter than him and better than him in every way. Then there was some rumors that Doom was going to become the new Iron Man, but I haven't actually seen anything to prove that...
>>84440848
>I don't read comics
Some people can carry the mantle, others can't
Jason Todd can't
but Dick Grayson can
FalCap was worthy
>>84440857
Captain Falcon has a vampire bird. That earns him a lot of slack in my book.
>>84440790
One of the Dallas snipers (Or was there just one? I forget) was killed by a police-bot, which was what that post was referencing.
>>84440790
And the black man in question was a mass murdering spree killer who killed 4 cops, shot 6 more officers and a bystander or two, and could have shot a lot more people if it wern't for the fact that he primarily wanted to kill white police officers.
>>84441039
>police officers.
valid targets
![commissioner-gordon[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hEU4lyj.jpg "commissioner-gordon[1].jpg")
>>84441058
I am disappointed in you.
>>84440848
Yeah guys were taking over for cap repeatedly long before civil war.
>>84441112
Real police aren't like Gordon
>>84441132
Now this is what gets me. It would actually be an interesting story seeing how Gordon handles a Mike Brown scenario, where an officer shoots a violent felon, witnesses claim that the guy shot was surrendering. Riots and burnings start.
Throw in dallas and have people targeting police officers for murder.
How does the batman or gordon handle this situation?
>>84441176
>How does the batman or gordon handle this situation?
Would Frank Castle kill BLM fucktards wholesale?
>>84427007
That fifth panel is why I love Acuna.
In response to your post OP yeah I think Wilson's book has a much stronger identity than a lot of other Marvel books and part of that's Spencer. With Remender's short stint on Sam I noticed he fell into his writing rut very quickly, giving Sam effectively the same voice as his Steve and Flash, stuff like "Left arm on fire. Seconds left. No time to get everyone out." that kind of thing.
>>84440450
>Being topical is something inherent and/or something to be expected in comics
NO
>>84441190
That's an interesting question. He normally doesn't give a fuck about politics but there's significant overlap between the extreme fringes, like New Black Panthers, and the Crips.
I don't see him going wholesale, but I could easily imagine him countersniping the Dallas shooters, or using riot control equipment to defend the innoncents even when the police have pulled back and looters are burning shit down.
>>84440856
The cover to Infamous Iron Man shows Doom replacing him. And Doomlike Iron Man armour is on the new Avengers lineup.
It's 100% confirmed.
>>84441293
I fucking hate Bendis, this is the same bullshit he pulls with every book he writes
