So whats the consensus on final crisis?
>>84425548
It's awesome.
I love it, but i'm the guy from the Ousiders thread.
>>84425603
And coincidentially i`m the one who started it
>>84425633
Let's fuck?
>>84425665
yes
>>84425678
London?
>>84425699
canada
>>84425741
Ah well
>>84425548
Brilliant.
If I had to choose a book to serve as the final DC story it would be this.
>>84425548
Makes most event comics look like the wheel-spinning, creatively void exercises in futility they are
>>84425548
One of the most creative events ever, lots to talk about, the death of batman felt heavy, important, even when you knew he was coming back, darkseid was just scary, the supermen was amazing.
It also felt 2 issues short, but that's the only bad thing i can say. Plebs thought it was confusing, but that's a plus. You had to pay attention, it wasnt pop corn crap like secret invasion or blackest night.
>>84425548
One of the greatest comic books of all time.
>>84425548
Great concept, great execution.
However, the scale was too big. No villain or hero can be bigger or badder. It's event like this that require reboots.
Which is absolutely not saying it's not amazing, it was, but it possibly has a detrimental effect in the long term.
>>84426003
I hear what you're saying, but a if you ask me, Crisis should be the most maximalist, bar-setting event conceivable. There shouldn't be any room left over to go bigger.
>>84425994
>Plebs thought it was confusing
Final Crisis was the comic that started me down the Morrison rabbit hole after a steady diet of Geoff Johns n' friends.
>>84426003
>It's event like this that require reboots.
I agree 100%.
This should had been the start point of "new52" not fucking flashpoint.
But not in the real sense of reboot. With Batman inc and the integration of wildstorm etc.
What was his purpose again?
>>84426139
>This should had been the start point of "new52"
Wasn't that DC's plan at one point?
Thought I heard that somewhere.
>>84426139
>This should had been the start point of "new52" not fucking flashpoint.
CORRECT. People forget that the point of Crises is supposed to be making a reboot an exciting in-universe event. Waiting a few years and doing it with a Flash mini is super dumb.
>>84426238
Flashpoint was adequate. If anyone deserved the event spotlight, it's Flash.
I'll agree though it wasn't exciting. There's no drama with alternate universes, who cares if, for example, Batdad died, he was a new character we had no history with.
>>84426226
Same role the original Sonny Sumo played in the Forever People.
That's all that the Super Young Team are, is the Forever People of the Fifth World.
The downfall of modern DC
It cemented the fact that DC characters can never change. They're mythic, they're archetypal. They are something other than characters. Batman is the smartest in the room and Superman is as strong as he needs to be. There is no other way.
>>84426232
At DC’s retailer roadshow at Orlando yesterday, the assembled crowd were told a story about the original plans for the 2011Flashpoint event from DC Comics.
The event from 2011 saw the DC Universe reality change, Age Of Apocalypse style, and the DCbooks replaced by twisted parallel dimensional versions, before the New 52 relaunch that soft rebooted DC continuity.
Originally, Flashpoint was supposed to do what Convergence is doing now, becoming aholding place, a band aid, for booksduring theoriginally plannedmove of DC Comics from New York to Burbank, which was then delayed until 2015. Atthe end of Flashpoint, the books were originally going to continue as normal without the reboot,and Multiversity was intended to be born from Final Crisis.
But obviously, things change. But they told the crowd thatConvergence is the culmination of everything DC has had planned and on the table from the New York era.
And DC will be reborn in Burbank.
>>84426711
>Batman is the smartest in the room and Superman is as strong as he needs to be. There is no other way.
as it should be
Has there been a storytime of this recently?
I'm curious to see what the fuss is all about...
>>84426875
and people wonder why everyone calls Superman boring
>>84427456
meme
>>84425741
>>84425771
Maybe Anon means London, Ontario
>>84426384
Flashpoint was dumb stupid fun.
Manhke should have drawn the entire story
Superman Beyond is still one of my favorite stories of all time
>>84426711
Thats what everyone wants anyways
>>84425548
It wasn't final
I can't believe how much love people have for this. It was Morrison Meta masturbation that was incredibly disjointed. It jumped all over to plot threads that were barely established before being brought to a clusterfuck Deus Ex Machina ending.
I loved Morrison's Animal Man, Doom Patrol, Hellblazer and JLA but this was utter trash.
>>84425548
Didn't read the event, but loved the Superman mini
>>84428611
> Space and time were literally collapsing due to Darkseid
No shit it felt disjointed
Is it possible to understand Final Crisis reading only the main series and ignoring the tie-ins?
>>84428665
That doesn't mean it was good. Morrison was clearly trying to top his previous works and it felt rushed and forced.
>>84428704
Yeah, I read it as mostly a standalone the first time through. Tie-ins help a lot though. They delve deeper into threads that are briefly touched on otherwise.
>>84427393
I'm planning on reading it for the first time this weekend, I might storytime it then.
>>84428704
The only tie-in that is absolutely essential is Superman- Beyond 3D.
Legion of Three Worlds is good too, and essential for Superboy Prime's story, but mostly serves to explain where Clark was while the world fell to hell.
>>84428806
It didnt, go read infinite crisis and civil war.
>>84426711
>Cemented
It had been a fact since long. Final crisis was just a meta message stating that.
BANE?
>>84428851
>>84429009
Thank you, I was worried about start reading and don't understanding shit, but now I'm more confident. Also, I will follow the Superman 3D and LoTW tips
>>84430575
Also read,
COIE
Infinite Crisis
Animal Man
Seven Soldiers
The Bat-Epic up to where it intersects with Final Crisis
I've read it 3 times and I still don't understand what the fuck was going on with Kamandi. I love the story though
>>84430782
>I still don't understand what the fuck was going on with Kamandi
this
>>84429654
Naw it definitely did. Hence why tie-ins were essential.
>>84431118
the only tie-in that was essential was Superman Beyond, and they include that in the trade anyway
>>84431151
Still convoluted.
>>84425548
" And that's the ultimate irony of FINAL CRISIS, I think. In trying to write an allegory about "saving the DC Universe from a greed and loathing beyond measure" and saving DC Comics from the vampiric practices of comics culture, Morrison wrote a story that you would only fully understand if you knew of the history of comics and current industry practices, which could possibly be considered just as vampiric as anything he was speaking out against. "
http://www.comicscube.com/2011/01/so-what-was-final-crisis-about.html
>>84430324
Aye
>>84428704
Superman Beyond 3D is kind of necessary. But that's it.
Batman RIP also helps as a prequel of sorts, not really needed but helps as a companion piece.
>>84431259
4 u
>>84432412
lol
>>84432412
haha
>>84432412
lmao
>>84426711
You're looking at it backwards.
That trope has been WELL FUCKING ESTABLISHED for decades.
What Final Crisis did was try to create a mythology to justify the existence of that trope,
instead of writers who seem oblivious to how cliche it is but still push it all the same.
>>84425548
Not for the new, casual, or stupid.
>>84431343
>In trying to write an allegory about "saving the DC Universe from a greed and loathing beyond measure"
>Multiversity: Final Crisis 2: Final-er Crisis: 2Final 2Crisis
I don't like the main story but Superman Beyond 3D is 10/10 and some of the tie-ins that have nothing to do with the main story are good
>>84428524
Nigga, it's the final chapter in the neverending story. Aren't you paying attention?
>>84432412
DUDE
>>84434706
DMT
>>84433416
But the story never ends. Not really.
Though Superman wished for a happy ending, both for that story and THE STORY.
>>84433416I've had this file name for like 4 years
>>84426384
Flashpoint was retarded. He fucking collects the same chemicals and sits outside waiting for a thunderbolt to hit him? What the fuck? And then they invalidated Batman's origin with that letter shit
Stupid
>>84429654
>go read worse shit to make this seem adequate
No thanks
All event books are trash
>>84425548
Great.
Really needed superman beyond.
>>84438970
>And then they invalidated Batman's origin
He invalidates Batman, There's nothing special about bruce, the suit makes you batman
>>84438988
4 u
