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How come the French comics and cartoons industry isn't as popular in the states as Japanese comics and cartoons? There are so many amazing works that people don't know about in America because it wasn't made by a jap.
>>84403641
Because the French are lewd fuckers.
Have you SEEN Totally Spies? Or what about that Ladybug show?
>>84403742
So are the japs yet anime is huge in America.
The french didn't want to contribute to the waifu war.
It's that simple.
The problem with French cartoons isTSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>84403641
It really isn't a good as the japanese ones.
Simple as that.
>>84403641
Japan is a meme and nobody really cares about France.
I don't know why though, you'd think all those weebs would love the gratuities sexuality directed towards minors.
Come to think of it, forget America, why aren't French comics popular in Japan?
>>84403641
Mechs! Only Japan could conceive of the most powerful fictional entity in history.
>>84403641
I mean I think the biggest problem is how many people don't realize that some things they are watching are french in origin
I mean even as a kid I knew anime was japanese but I didn't realize things like Totally Spies or Code Lyoko were French until years later
Because France didn't make DBZ or NGE.
>>84403991
Manwha has better masturbation fuel, currently reading tower of God and every single chick makes my dick diamonds and the way they are designed fuckkk.
>>84403641
Because the US has it's origins in puritanism and being part of the anglosphere
They can't handle French lewdness
>>84403641
My mom didn't let me watch Totally Spies because of 9/11.
Because glorious Nippon comics and cartoons and folded over 9000 times
>>84404221
what does cute spy girls have to do with 9/11?
>>84404064
The concept of Tower of God seems wasted.
Isn't it that story about a giant Tower that people have to go to the top to get wishes? And the outside world is shit?
>>84404184
But we handle japanese lewdness.
Stop trying to justify anything.
Also, for some reason when american cartoons air on France, they edit out a lot of stuff for some reason.
>>84404184
But why is Nihon lewd ok?
>>84403641
it isn't cute
>>84404271
The treacherous Frenchies were against the glorious invasion of Iraq.
>>84403641
Japanese lewdness is all blushing and not showing anything, French don't give a shit about that and are just straight up lewd, 2hot for Amerimoms.
>>84403742
Ladybug show?
>>84404305
Its more about the the politics of the tower that is bigger than our planet.
>>84404343
Miraculous DAT ASS
>>84404330
you mean that time we got really drunk and our one real friend stood up to us and told us what we were doing was a bad idea and then we didn't listen?
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>>84404343
Miraculous: the Adventures of Ladybug and Chat Noir
its a newer one
>>84404305
>for some reason when american cartoons air on France, they edit out a lot of stuff for some reason.
The French edits are often arbitrary as fuck. Or were, I haven't seen any French dubs since the 90s. They would often completely change the original soundtrack to some shitty synth loops. I don't get it.
>>84404305
>>84404306
Because jap lewd was shaped by US-imposed lewdness laws and Asian people look different enough that US citizens can just go "those zany foreigners with their different, alien cultures".
France just does what it likes
>>84403641
France just rips off everything.
They have wakfus instead of waifus
>>84404607
Well, Wakfus is a better descriptive of what they're for...
>>84403641
Most likely it has to do with the cultural exchange that occurred after WWII. Returning American soldiers and foreign investments by American companies saw pieces of Japan return with them. On top of that the influence of American culture on anime created a number of similarities that don't necessarily exist in French animation.
>>84404040
It still gets raped by STTGL though, mainly because Spiral Power is the one true GO FUCK YOURSELF power. It might take the entire fighting spirit of humanity itself to win, but it'll do it in due time.
Pif Gadget used to be owned by the French Communist Party. True story.
>>84404040
>>84404808
You guys are gay.
I do like Skydoll and Les nombrils. Isn't that enough?
>>84404343
Don't care about the show.
Looks and is more of a toddler magical girl show. The only difference is a catboy on tight costume, because you are on the same board that had a general for fucking Shezow, you can expect that he is also the only reason for why /co/ even whatch this shit.
>>84404808
Nope
Because weeaboos exist, while frogaboos are extraordinarily rare
>>84405001
yeah no, I had actually forgotten about Shezow thanks for reminding me someone made that trash
Miraculous is actually a good show, it looks good for 3D animation, has a reasonable monster of the week plot with potential for more and is actually interesting, with cool villains and powers
in addition to the hot catboy
>>84405144
it's ouiaboos
>>84403641
Why aren't British comics like 2000AD? Why isn't the Beano the go to humor comic?
The marketing is just fucked up
>>84405144
Frogs also produce MUCH LESS content than nips.
>>84403641
We used to get more Euro stuff in the US from what I can tell, before the comic bust of the 90's. Luckily, things seem to be picking up again, with people like Titan comics and Europecomics.com translating stuff. I hope they keep at it, there's a lot of good stuff over there I'd love to see translated.
I don't think anyone produces half the amount of content a year as Japan.
But the French stuff is soo...routine. The episodes of their shows really blend together a lot when the same characters do the same thing in the same situations every single episode without fail. It's like there is some kind of checklist for the series sin general that each episode has to follow.
But also France has not produced as much really high quality, award winning stuff that really attracts loads of international attention and gets everyone into nearly anything that comes out of the country which includes the lesser quality stuff.
>>84405084
>I have no idea what I'm doing
The chart
>>84404040
Sounds like Superman Prime at the end there.
>>84403881
They had anime aimed at teens to get their foot in the door.
France isn't as popular here because france never made a (webm) related
>>84406607
Akira is basically cheating. Nobody has made an animated movie/show that looks as good as Akira since it was released, not even Japan.
>>84406607
Yea this is what I was thinking, France never made animated films that just grabbed everyone's attention like that. Then there was the international success of Dragonball on top of that.
>>84407433
Japan regularly releases movies like that m8
>>84407575
indeed.
What is metropolis, memories, steamboy, gits innocence, ponyo, little nemo, redline
>>84403641
France never made something blow the worlds mind, like Pokémon.
>>84404048
European stuff has a particular look when it's filmed. I can't quite put my finger on it, but the moment I see it I can recognize it.
Might be the cameras.
>>84403641
A lot of French stuff just plays different notes. Violence tends to be frowned upon for kids and they rarely promote their more mature things here, when it's made at all.
>>84406607
That movie gets better on each rewatch.
>>84403641
People know a LOT of French stuff. They just dont know they're french.
Like >>84404048 said. Everything by Marathon, Oban Star Racers, Miraculous Ladybug, everything related to the Little Prince, etc
>>84407759
>European stuff has a particular look when it's filmed. I can't quite put my finger on it, but the moment I see it I can recognize it.
yeah the french have this awful tendency to extend their scenes for entire minutes to make it look deeper
>>84407575
>>84407714
Not really.
Akira is famous for being the only animated movie there that got some speciphic technical treatments on the animation.
>>84404040
>>84404808
Kids. Kids. Make way, you pair of fucking wankers.
>>84403957
DELETE THIS
>people ITT seriously blaming "lewdness" for lack of French cartoons in the USA
This makes no sense for two reasons
1.Cartoons like Totally Spies and Ladybug air just fine
2. Most cartoons by France aren't even super-lewd. /co/ just exaggerates it because they are horny bastards.
>>84406607
I see your Akira and raise you a Wings of Honneamise.
>>84410318
>Most cartoons by France aren't even super-lewd. /co/ just exaggerates it because they are horny bastards.
True. It's only the comics that are sometimes lewd.
>>84403641
They're not as good
>but le nudity!
>>84404040
Not even Logos can defeat Golden Experience Requiem
>>84403991
Trying to represent anime with utter bottom-of-the-barrel garbage
>>84410576
My man
>>84403641
Comics and manga in general are made in different way. A french comic can take a lot of time for one book to be made, while manga and burger comics can be put out every week or month. I'm generalizing, but I think that counts somewhere in the equation.
Also, Japs have somehow introduced anime and manga everywhere while not showing that big of an interest for people outside their country, Americans have a thing for inserting their cultural products everywhere, and I guess in France we don't have that.
In term of comics again, we have (had ?) big shots like Tintin, Astérix, guy like Moebius... but maybe we don't make the actual effort to publish more of our stuff overseas, or there's not enough interest in what our artists and authors produce maybe ?
And please, we don't just have lewd things, just different standards and mentalities cause we're in Europe.
>>84404434
>Because jap lewd was shaped by US-imposed lewdness laws
It's not though, and it's hilarious that people STILL think that's the case. The wierd japanese laws were made during the time of Imperial Japan, before we even got involved.
>>84404048
Wait, seriously, those were both FRENCH? Tha faq...
>>84405451
>I don't think anyone produces half the amount of content a year as Japan.
In terms of animated work? No. Japan lets out like 80 shows every year, even if not all of them are new.
>>84407575
Not true. Akira is the only anime film that is animated entirely in 1s.
>>84410576
Great movie, but unless you REALLY love mechanical engineering, a lot of the magic is gone on repeat viewings.
>>84411728
1s?
>>84411685
yes both of them were French
>>84403881
>anime is huge in America.
My sides. You should travel to understand what "anime is huge" means. and it doesn't mean "we have 3 hours of toonami guys we win"
>>84404040
I like the Irony that a French guy, Stanislas Brunet, worked on Aquarion (not sure which one) mech design
>>84411772
Excuse me, I must go drink now.
>>84411335
Only reason why i am still folowing fairy tail because sexy girls
>>84411766
Basically, anime is animated with 24 drawn frames per second of animation, that has always been the standard. But here's the thing, drawing 24 UNIQUE frames is a complete bitch and very expensive. 1s means that every single one of those 24 frames is individually drawn, which means the animation will be of much higher quality and a lot smoother.
So what most anime do to save costs/time is animate in 2s. Which means you make a unique frame, then you copy that unique frame onto the next one before making another unique frame. It's still 24 fps, but there's only 12 actually unique frames in it. But even 2s is very expensive, only Studio Ghibli tends to do their movies in 2s. Tv anime does their animation in 3s if not 4s.
For a good example, here's the first opening to G Gundam, remastered for the blu-ray. It's notable because the entire opening is done in 1s, which makes its high quality clear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx4DLgXDvxg
>>84406607
>France isn't as popular here
France is more popular but for products that most people ignore to be French, like the Golden age of Dic cartoons, Ulysses31, Inspector gadget, MASK and the catillac cats.More recently, it was code lyoko, totally spies, oggy and the roach. Despicable me is French in the core too.
>>84408509
>make it look
you sound like a massive plebe.
>>84410318
>Ladybug
Is baby garbage, completely gutted from any sort of maturity by Disney's supervision, the heck are you smoking. Those gay porn fanfics aren't real, man.
>>84411664
stuff like tentacles and hairy pussies also just come from medieval tradition. The porn industry of Japan comes from deep historical roots of not make sex evil, but necessary. Censorship changes some of the forms but not the content itself.
>>84411884
its a passable magical girl show, not everything has to be adult or edgy to be good you know?
>>84411920
>passable
no, no it's not. It does a terrible job at literally everything. It's not even mediocre, because it misses the marks of the genre too often. It's also ugly and empty as shit because of budget and lack of imagination of the team. And the chara design is like a Sonic OC fanclub, all snowflakes that don't blend at all with the rest of the setting. It's amateurish garbage, and again, you only eat it for the gay porn.
>>84403641
French can't produce big successful cartoon like Disney or Ghilbi (rip).
>>84404384
the more we think about it, the more the idea that Sadam could have nuclear weapons is ridiculous.
>>84404863
>skydoll
was the last comic storytimed on /co/?
>>84412232
>It's also ugly
Opinion disregarded.
>>84403641
Because they're niche. I'm really enjoying Dago right nowBTW, and enjoyed Asterix back then.
miss me already???
>>84405147
>diamonds
What have you fucking done to me /co/.
>>84406607
Jesus this still looks like it could have come out yesterday. And it still blows everything animated that Disney, WB and Marvel have released over the last 30 years right out of the water.
>>84412336
truth hurts I see. But the CGI is garbage and ugly. They have no idea how to balance big eyes in 3d faces, and the body joints are just flods because the budget didn't allow muscles with mass and bones under the skin.
The design itself is garrish which doesn't mix with the poor boring low poly copy pasted backgrounds, or even the 5 bystander models they have.
It's hard to believe those people made cartoons before at any level.
>>84403641
America has successful implement the protestant style sexual repression and splurge cycle in the mindset of the Japanese. A sort of mental binge and purge.
>>84403742
I have seen Total Spies as a kid. It was a total bore and I would switch channels to something else.
>>84404040
Right, sure
Ladybug will surpass any Ameriburger super-hero, you heard here first
>>84403641
because they're not that good.
Because cybersix got abandonded with its fans and we have trust issues because of it.
>>84413001
Just let it out anon.
It's healthy for you.
French shit is weird
From Totally Spies, to Sonic Underground, to Code Lyoko, all that shit is weirder than a vegan cat
The only way they're able to make-half intelligible video games is watering down their crazy French ideas with a bunch of re-heated Dan Brown and Tom Clancy crap
>>84403641
because the french are sluts just like their hero joan de arc
>>84403641
Because of anime. They're basically ads than run 24\7 to the entire world. It's no wonder manga is so popular around the world.
>>84415214
Are you 13? you sound like a kid that htink he's hot shit because his mom say yes to all the garbage he invents to explain things around him.
>>84415213
Nigger what did you say of the purest of all waifus?
>>84415230
WHORE OF ORLEANSAGINCOURT WAS THE BEST DAY OF MY LIFE
>>84403641
because unlike japan the french surrendered without a fight
>>84403641
Americans don't like to read so they mostly don't care about french comics and France doesn't produce as much cartoon as America or Japan
>>84415268
>France doesn't produce as much cartoon as America or Japan
France is still a major actor in the industry, you just don't know. for instance, you probably believe totally spies is canadian.
>>84406607
It blows me away that there's no CGI here.
Because they produce garbage like this.
Lemme tell ya something, the french culture industry is not fair, and generally, the most popular french comics are lame. There are some good comics like ''Meutes'', ''Les Quatres de Bakerstreet", ''Lou'', T'cho's magazine comics, ''Long John Silver, ''De Cape et de crocs'', Ankama's comics, Tieko's comics and many more... But the most famous one in France is Titeuf. These are not bad comics, but we can see other better comics.
And don't ask to talk about ''Les (insert french named job here), Thse are the worst of the worst.
le roi et l'oiseau desu
It's more about european comics not making it to the US.
Try finding these (they're more for adults because of the themes)
Comès - Silence
the work of Loisel (Peter Pan and La quête de l'oiseau du temps especially)
the work of Bourgeon (Les passagers du vent; Les compagnons du crépuscule; Le cycle de Cyann)
Le grand pouvoir du Chninkel - Jean Van Hamme / Rosinski
Blacksad is pretty good too it had a huge success over the years especially because of the quality of the drawings
Michel Ocelot is known for his cartoons (Kirikou), try to find Princes et Princesses.
I'll add some
>>84415656
Chinaman - Serge le Tendre
SODA - Tome/Gazzotti
Green Manor - Vehlmann
>>84406607
The irony is that Moebius is one of Otomo's influences.
>>84403641
One of the reasons manga became so popular around the world is how easy it is to read. French comics tend to be the opposite - they're really wordy, can be hard to get into if you don't have the patience, and often not all that interesting even though the art is amazing.
Still, I wish more were translated, so much cool looking sci-fi stuff.
>>84415213
>because the french are sluts just like their hero joan de arc
>joan de arc
>slut
That's not how you spell Marianne you illiterate peasant.
>>84415229
Hes right that is why there is a good deal of one season anime. Its too risky to make anime. You are not likely to make your money back. One of the tricks is to make a season of a manga adapted to the screen. Then dont end the story so people go looking for the manga to get the story.
This is a common thing. Like the jap version of shitty remakes of old movies you liked.
>>84415828
All french are sluts
Jeane de arc
Marianne
French Bread
>>84415783
>French comics tend to be the opposite
o boy, someone who only know French comics from /co/'s shitty circlejerk trying to sound like an expert. How cute
>>84415783
That might change with Japanese stuff is having a big influence over there as well.
>>84415845
>Hes right
No, no he isn't. Neither you are. there's a difference between "I made a theory with my limited vision, you must follow me", and truth.
>>84411851
Inspector Gadget is french?
>>84411851
also Space Goofs & The Mysterious Cities of Gold (didn't watch the 2012 one tho)
>>84415545
>And don't ask to talk about ''Les (insert french named job here), Thse are the worst of the worst.
Cauvin a shit
>>84415766
fuck off razorfist
>>84415199
Sonic Undergound was canadian
>>84416161
Why they don't do Les noirs?
>>84404040
so, in answer to your question >>84403641
Anime is more popular because autism
>>84415180
I....I thought that was a girl
>>84404040
>>84409370
>>84406607
>>84416242
Who?
>>84416441
Got the wakfu edit?
>>84416413
you didn't, you dumb memester.
>>84415911
It's how any franchise works, grandpa. It's not a theory. Pixar creates those shitty vehicle movies because those toys sell like cocaine.
>>84416697
I'm fucking serious. it looked feminine
I think one reason why Japanese animation made a presence in the US and French didn't was because in olden days, it was easier to broadcast anime in the US due to Japan having the same television standard. France used PAL (well, really SECAM) which meant that anything had to be reformatted.
You could also import Japanese VHS tapes here and play them while you couldn't do that with anything from Europe.
>>84416869
this
>>84416260
Sonic Boom is animated by French though.
IDK, but French anything has never clicked with Americans for some reason. Even their cars were a flop while Japwagons were taking over US roads by the 70s.
>>84416869
Now of course we always broadcast tons of British programming here, but you didn't need to redub the language. Continental European TV shows had the double whammy of both requiring an English dub and also being reconverted for NTSC format.
>>84416910
indeed
>>84416869
the problem is the false starting point of your argument, the belief japanese anime haven't been rotting in dead slots like Toonami for a decade while French animation was there on real channels for more than 30. You just don't want to learn and use assumptions and "it would be great if" kind of logic.
>>84416969
So take your pick:
Japan=different language, same TV standard
Britain/Australia=same language, different TV standard
Continental Europe=different language, different TV standard
>>84416783
>It's how any franchise works, grandpa
including French cartoons. you created a "japan is like that and French cartoons aren't based on myth, beliefs and other self validated "wow I'm so clever mom look at me" garbage. nothing works in that argument, educate yourself. Anime has way more original animation without toys than French cartoons. The manga supposedly "promoted" (wrong logic but not surprising from ignorant simpletons) actually flops all the time. You have no weight to prove your point. At all. Except your mom nodding at you to make you shut up.
>>84403641
A huge part of it is rights-mongering, right show, wrong time moments that lead to or caused by lack of interest and other shit-happens affairs.
Totally Spies and the other Marathon made garbage were easy to port over, whereas Wakfu's rights were tangled up for years, even though that show would've had a huge market around the time WoW/MMORPGs were getting big had they played their cards right.
Marvel and the dreaded Tokyo Pop attempted to bring over french comics that had utterly fantastic art (Samurai, Luuna, Sky Doll) and stories, yet none of them had a huge impact. Tokyo Pop is shit and buried the french stuff with the over saturated market they flooded, so that explains that, but the Marvel stuff wasn't even advertised to able to reach an audience.
I am just hazarding a guess, but this speaks to me that it's harder for some reason to find a market as a general rule, or it is easier to port over manga and anime than it is stuff from Europe.
>>84417063
There is other indication like fansub and fan translation, a lot of manga and anime are fansubed/translated, you can't say the same thing about french comics and cartoons.
>>84417121
A lot of words that said nothing, retard. Go to bed.
>>84403641
Because french shit is BORING. Japan knows how to make fun stuff like dragon Ball, naruto, or jojo's bizarre adventure
>>84416912
The problem there is more that French cars have some very strange design conventions most of the world doesn't use and Americans didn't quite know what to make of them.
>>84411782
>being on TV is relevant
>in 2016
Tell me when your medium has dumbass plebs paying ten dollars a month to stream shit they could just torrent in better quality.
It does seem that French culture did not have as big of an influence on the US as a lot of other countries, one reason possibly being that we didn't get many French immigrants unlike the gazillions of Irish, Italians, Jews, and Germans.
>>84416441
Well that is true and good reason not to take anime seriosly like some people too.
Anime is not art and never will be.
>>84417177
No but back in the 60s-70s-80s-90s when it did matter, anime was able to gain a foothold here because >>84416869
>>84417177
yes, you mongoloid simpleton, the medium that fuel the money in that industry is still relevant. Have you ever fucking documented that shit or is it really just pure beliefs fueled by your tumblr "friends" and mom always agreeing with you?
>>84417063
Most of anime watchers dont watch anime from TV. Fansubs and stuff but even that is dead nowdays.
>>84417586
>Canadian-French.
this meme need to die already
>>84417618
Joint projects between two counties is a meme now?
>>84417654
We may aswell say american british.
>>84417281
>Anime is not art and never will be.
Of course it isn't, it's entertainment, like any other animation industry.
>>84406607
The King and the Mockingbird.
>>84416054
It's a franco-japanese collaboration
>>84418078
like ur mom lmao
>>84415199
>watering down their crazy French ideas
My legs are okay
>>84411728
>but unless you REALLY love mechanical engineering, a lot of the magic is gone on repeat viewings.
The main character's arc is really interesting and so are its relationship with the woman, the fame...
>>84403742
I watched Totally Spies as a kid it's all in your head.
How is Ladybug lewd?
>>84418811
>>84420460
nah you just didn't notice how lewd Totally Spies was as a kid
Ladybug isn't terribly lewd though, just some skin tight suits really
>>84420460
>>84403641
I've read French comics, they were boring. Asterix and Tintin? Pfft.
Every French cartoon I've seen is just a subpar anime.
>>84420757
>>84420604
You could literally do this for anything.
Gather around children, for I shall tell you the story of the show that knit the abnd between both worlds
>>84420783
Not him but I will take recomendations, because he isn't far from truth.
>>84423024
>i know what genres i like, naturally this means everyone else knows it too
Anon, you got to give us something to work with.
