According to rumors, it's Michael Keaton as the Vulture, Logan Marshall-Green as the Tinkerer and Bookem Woodbine as Shocker.
Vulture is the main villain, Tinkerer and Shocker are minor villains.
>multiple villains
have they not fucking learned from the last 2 times?
>>84396554
TWS also had multiple villains and it was fine.
>>84396554
>Rumors
>>84396689
Their identities are rumors, but Marshall-Green and Woodbine are confirmed villains.
Michael Keaton as a Birdman
>>84396554
>implying multiple villains is bad by default just because some bad movies had multiple villains
Stop this meme. Batman Returns had multiple villains. The Dark Knight had multiple villains. Batman Begins had multiple villains.
Besides, this is the MCU...villains don't mean shit. At least one of them will be a throw away, if not two, if not all three.
>>84396554
IM1 had the Ten Rings and Stane/Iron Monger.
Batman Begins had Ra's al Ghul and Scarecrow.
"Multiple villains ruins a cape movie" is fan superstition that's only applied to the bad examples.
>>84396515
SHHHOOOOCCKKEEERR!
>>84396554
I doubt this means they will become evil right away
>>84396796
Shocker, for his part, was already a career criminal before he became a supervillain. His origin story amounts to getting his tricked-out costume.
>>84396554
Shocker will probably be taken down in the first few minutes, kind of like Batroc in TWS.
>>84396862
Yeah, the real problem with cape movies with multiple villains like Spider-Man 3 and ASM2 is that multiple characters are developed like the main antagonist and they all factor into an overstuffed climax.
>>84396860
I know, but I don't know how they are doing the origins for them in the movie so I'm guessing they are going to change some stuff
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>>84396722
They should use the movie costume too.
>>84396931
That costume is legit cool looking
>>84396908
>Electro being given that much screen-time in ASM2 despite mattering as much to the story as Rhino
>>84396554
These are pretty minor villains compared to Sandman/Venom/Electro. They wouldn't be able to fill a whole movie on their own.
>>84396908
Actually in ASM2's case I think the problem was that they advertised all three villains WAY too much when they really only used Electro. Rhino doesn't even use his mecha suit until the end of the movie, to the point that the scenes with Rhino in the trailers was from the end of the movie
>>84396922
Since the Tinkerer is in this movie, he probably makes the Shocker's suit. That's really all they have to do.
>>84396977
That poster looks way cooler than anything in the movie
Although I will say, the initial Electro scene in the city was pretty damn cool
>>84396931
Is this an enemy Stand?
>>84396977
I'll grant that story-wise, ASM2 really only had two villains, and Rhino wasn't really burdening the plot with another character arc. But Spider-Man 3 and ASM2 both have subplots about Harry Osborn becoming a supervillain that compete with another villain origin story/character arc.
>>84396554
If most of the villains are kept to henchmen level roles for their first appearances and not leading characters, then it can work. Introduce them, but don't give them too much focus until another film.
>>84396750
Any general idea can seem bad when presented poorly, especially when it has been executed poorly, but that doesn't mean executing it well is impossible
>>84397603
Also acknowledge the existence of Oscorp but don't make it relevant to anything. Yet.
>>84396931
MAN THAT BLUE FALCON MOVIE WAS INTENSE.
>>84396554
It's alright if Marvel Studios does it. Because Marvel Stupidos can do no wrong.
>>84396760
Iron Monger and Scarecrow barely did anything.
That just proves his point further.
>>84396946
... Man did I like Person of Interest. I'm gonna miss it.
>>84397693
RIP POI. One of the best sci-fi shows network TV ever gave us.
>>84397681
We have no idea what their actual place in the story is yet. Maybe wait until we have some solid information on this film before starting this shit.
Isnt tinkerer in daredevil already? They don't need to flesh him out.
>>84397736
That's Guardian, senpai.
>>84396515
Why would they make Vulture the main villain?
He was only threatening in the 90s cartoon where he could age people by controlling time.
>>84397830
He was one of the first enemies Spider-Man had in the comics, I guess. Nobody will care if they fuck him up, either.
>>84397766
My mistake.
I like how Electro and Shocker are both black in the live-action films, so people can still confuse them and think Shocker has electric powers.
>>84396554
You do realize that every bad movie that had multiple villains was either rushed during production or had a lot of studio interference. A well thought out story with multiple villains isn't impossible.
>>84397643
Unless they're genuinely going to try and hide the fact that he's evil, save Norman for later in the films, maybe even limit the mentions of Oscorp to scenes where Tony is present or even present but not with Peter.I want an eventual rivalry between Tony and Norman that isn't just about them being business rivals but also about who is the better mentor/father figure for Peter.
I liked yandere Electro, it was a really different take on the character and seeing him go full disgruntled worker was entertaining as fuck.
>star in a movie that shits on capefilms playing a birdguy
>star in a capefilm playing a birdguy
>live action SHOOOOOOOOOOOCCKEEERRRRRRR
cant wait
who or what is the fucking tinkerer though
>>84401048
I think it's like, this guy who thinks a lot, but somehow he's not called the thinkerer. He can build stuff and shit like that
>>84396554
>all those replies
>/co/ is now defending the idea of multiple villainsas long as the mcu does it
>>84397032
Black n Blue electro ruins everything.
>>84396722
He cant escape it, he may as well be cast as Hawkman now
>Still no Mysterio
HIS LITERAL SUPERPOWER IS MOVIE SPECIAL EFFECTS
>>84396515
>Bookem Woodbine as Shockerdoes this count as another black character with electric based abilities
>>84397684
Nigger what, Scarecrow defeats Batman pretty one-sidedly.
>>84396554
Multiple villains is fucking fine when they don't go full retard and try to cram in the backstories of every villain or way too many subplots at once. As long as they keep it focused and keep the attention on one, maybe two villains, it should be fine.
Like other anons have said, multiple superhero movies have done this just fine.
>another 'lectric nigga
Ha
>not morbius
>no Scorpion
>no Hobgoblin (maybe in the second)
>no hammerhead or silvermane crime syndicate
>still no black cat
>no Kraven ever
>>84401392
REEE SHOCKER DOESN'T HAVE ELECTRICITY-BASED POWERS DESPITE HIS NAME YOU CASUALASS BITCH REEEEEE
>>84396554
Oh as fucking if Tink n' Shock will be anything more than one-scene wonders. Even if this is true.
>>84401392
>Shocker
>Electric
This has to be bait
I'd be kinda offended if I were Keaton since Vulture's shtick is being a decrepit crone of a man.
>>84396515
Are Sony still wanting to go through with sinister six or they just playing along for now.
>>84401413
>>84401428
It falls under tech based tho
>>84396515
>cast an A-list actor as Vulture
>cast a literally who (I only know him in Fargo S2) as Shocker
That's kinda odd since both villains are C-list
>>84396515
>Logan Marshall-Green as the Tinkerer
I don't know how I feel about a young Tinkerer
>>84401806
Vulture is the main villain of the movie
>>84401898
Doesn't matter, what if they are setting Sinister Six and they will have to act along? Imagine if all other Spidey villains are played by unknowns and Vulture by Keaton will kinda stick out.
>>84397766
>>84398023
It's Gladiator not Guardian.
>>84401411
Kraven works better as a trilogy ending villain.
I'd like to see him in a Black Panther sequel and then in a third Spidey movie.
>>84401502
"Sinister Six" is dead, but they're still doing the standalone "Venom" movie unconnected to the MCU.
>>84401964
>what if they are setting Sinister Six
They're not.
And even if they were, Shocker has never been a part of it.
>>84402140
How the fuck do you know? It's not like Marvel has many good villains left, a huge organized threat would be a nice antagonist for Spider-Man or even for all Avengers in the future.
>>84402187
>Have access to all of Spider-Man's numerous villains
>Planning as much as six movies right out to the gate
>But saddling Shocker in the Sinister Six when you can use its actual members
Are you a dimmy?
>>84402446
>implying the line-up will be comicbook accurate
Will Spiderman and Ironman save the world? Tune in next time in Spiderman: Homecoming.
>>84396515
I feel as if Green's and Woodbine's roles are reversed
>>84402594
They're not.
>>84402594
This. Woodbine could play an old man, black don't crack anyway.
>>84402674
Explain
>>84402579
Nigga there's been so many Sinister Six line ups it'd be hard to not get them right
>>84401048
If you've seen Spectacular or played Web of Shadows, Tinkerer's the old guy who makes tech for villains for a price.
Anyone find these films prior to Infinity Wars kinda of fluffy? I mean, I was all for the Phase 3 announcements, but as GOTG 2 is finishing filming, and Thor 3 and Spider-Man are currently filming, and how Infinity Wars will start filming in November, it feels kind of silly. Like, all these mini adventures before the main one.
>>84396515
>wasting shocker as third string
>>84405849
That's precisely the point of each Phase and that's exactly what Phase 1 was like before the Avengers.
>>84405899
Oh, I know, but it feels different now that we're getting Infinity Wars Part 1 and 2 filming so early. I mean, how will Ant-Man and Wasp and Captain Marvel factor in?
>>84401411
But we've never had Vulture or Shocker either so this works out fine
>>84406004
Captain Marvel is 100% going to factor into Infinity War because she's the only link between Earth and Cosmic since the GOTG have not gotten involved with Earth yet
Ant-Man and Wasp is just to introduce Wasp really
>>84405885
Don't fool yourself into believing that Shocker isn't a third stringer.
>>84405885
Shocker is third string though. He's just one of the more known ones.
The point of something Superior Foes is that it's about a bunch of third-stringers
>>84406004
It's no longer a "Part 1" and "Part 2" movie. They'll be standalone.
>>84401964
Have you seen this literally who in action before? Dude is a fantastic, the absolute best part of the second season of Fargo.
He's got the chops to play with the big boys if that's the direction they choose to take the character.
>>84406156
I thought it was two movies but they were under the Infinity War name
>>84406086
But Infinity Wars Part 1 happens before Captain Marvel.
>>84396722
Like pottery
>>84396515
>Shocker
Perfect for a cold open. 10 minutes, fun action, Mock the Shocker
>>84406086
>>84406341
People are saying that Black Panther will lead into Infinity War. I'm betting that Wakanda's Vibranium supply is tied to one of the stones, so Thanos shows up and fucks things up.
>>84402064
They would never ever end a spiderman trilogy with Kraven. We all know it'd be a venom carnage film where venom has to die to save pete from carnage.
Gee, the Vulture, huh?
The same villain that Sony literally threw a fit over being the villain for the proposed 4th Raimi film? The one that they literally decided to shitcan the line of films because they didn't want him?
Fucking hypocritical retards.
>>84402187
>It's not like Marvel has many good villains left
Implying they won't revamp the lesser known villains
>>84406636
Probably Ressurection Altar tied to Soul Stone
>>84406687
LMAO you have to be seriously delusional if you think Carnage will ever be used
>>84407247
Why not? Carnage can easily be made to work in a pg-13 setting, he's not NC-17 or anything.
>>84405885
>implying Shocker wont appear as bit comedy role strung up by Spidey every movie
When Norman does make it into the MCU Spider-Man films, how do you think it will go? Will we see Harry first? Perhaps we'll meet him through Tony?
>>84397830
Keaton will make it work.
>No Green Goblin
Thank fuck
>>84406275
They'll be renamed.
>>84397830
Who says he can't be threatening? He's got a super-advanced wingsuit (at least in some incarnations) and could be running amok devastating the populace and wrecking any form of air retaliation. If you factor in his ability to steal youth/power, he becomes a greater threat as Spiderman may find himself having to gauge the limits of his own powers and find an acceptable level of strength to use without busting bird brain's head open like a melon.
>>84396687
It wasn't a movie with Spider-Man villains. They tend to be more distinct individuals from each other, whereas with Cap it's easy to say "They're all HYDRA. This movie's villain is HYDRA". With Spider-Man, the default is to just squeeze multiple villain plots into the movie with a tenuous connection, and maybe have them team up at the end.
>>84406940
That's not true.
Sony was fine with the Vulture. Sam Raimi was the one that dropped out, because he didn't like the script, the revisions were not making it better, and he refused to enter production without a script he was fully happy with again.
Since they were going to reboot anyway, they just cut the middleman.
>>84407550
According to the rumors so far, they're tying Vulture and Tinkerer together, and Shocker is just a bit part.
>>84407272
They changed Ultron's face from the comic look because test audiences thought he was too scary. If that's the case Carnage will never happen.
>>84408408
That's retarded, and not likely to happen with Carnage.
>>84407654
Which would basically be like TWS with WS and Robert Redford
>>84408488
Just come to the understanding that Cletus Kassidy will never be in a movie
>>84408604
Just admit you're overexaggerating people's possible reaction to him in a movie.
>>84402187
>>84402446
>>84402579
>>84404969
I think we all know the best Sinister Six are Swarm, Lizard, Electro, Kraven, Carnage, and Swiss Miss.
>>84407550
Batroc wasn't Hydra
>>84396515
would be funny if they show the bar with no name where shocker is drinking and bitching about spiderman to white rabbit and carnage and a bunch of other z listers
>Tinker
>Vulture
>Not Boomerang, Speed Demon, Overdrive, and Beetle
>No Kraven
>Not the real Electro
>Not the real Rhino
Shocker's cool though.
I'd like to see them re-do Venom.
>>84411308
>Swarm
>>84411675
>carnage and a bunch of other z listers
>>84412055
Carnage is on the same level with people like Crime-Master, White Rabbit, the Hippo and 8-Ball. Literally the only thing below them is Mirage and Menace.
Waste of Keaton. Spider-man has so few good villains and they blow their load on Vulture?
Give him Norman Osborn, build him up over the franchise.
>>84402140
>Shocker has never been part of the Sinister Six
What about that time he was in the Sinister Six with Boomerang, Overdrive, Beetle, and Speed Demon?you can be the Sinister Six with only five members
>>84412146
I'm sick of Normie the normie. I want Chameleon or Superior Foes of Spider-Man.
>>84412146
It's entirely possible that Keaton doesn't WANT to be a recurring villain across multiple movies.
The man was the lead in "Birdman," after all. Surely he can appreciate that perspective on capeshit.
>>84412152
Yeah, but the sixth member could be anybody! It could be Dormammu!
>>84412072
He has his own fucking ongoing
Do you think we'll ever get The Hood or Mr. Negative?
>>84412169
That's what makes it such a great idea!
>>84412170
Man-Thing had his own ongoing, that doesn't mean he's relevant.
>>84401443
Well they might age him up....maybe he deages too? Which they would need an actor with a decent legacy to pull previous performances as a younger man from for reference. They've done amazing stuff with the de-aging in antman and civil war.
>>84412072
You...don't honestly believe this do you? Here, let me break this down for you since you seem to only know Spidey from films and cartoons.
Carnage is Spidey's most popular villain, some would argue that that should be Venom, but he was always treated as more of a hero than a villain. Carnage on the other hand, had is own event back in the 90s in Maximum Carnage which spawned it's own insanely popular game. Carnage has also been given a number of miniseries in the last 5 years or so, Family Feud, USA, Minimum Carnage, Carnage vs Deadpool, AXIS, and his own current ongoing which has reader up to 9 issues and shows no sing of getting cancled soon. In this day and age where Marvel is setting up new comics each season and canceling anything that doesn't sell well enough, the fact that Carnage's ongoing continues to thrive is nothing short of amazing.
Carnage is the top of the A List for Spidey villains right beside Norman Osborn
>>84412290
I know exactly who Carnage is. Carnage is old just like Eddie Brock. Nobody cares about him anymore. Might as well put fucking Cardiac in a movie.
I'd rather have Lightmaster or the fucking Spot. At leas the Spot is cool.
>>84412193
>character has their own comic
>that makes them obscure
You are literally retarded.
>>84412247
Maybe it could be one of the original Vulture's successors like Drago or Natale
>>84412328
Then tell me when the last time you've seen Man-Thing do something important.
>>84412313
I'm not saying that I want Carnage in a movie, they'd have to have Venom to do it right unless they use the abortion that Bendis created in Ultimate Spider-Man, I'm just saying that Carnage is popular and an A Lister. If they do anything with the Darkfroce, and they should given the Cloak and Dagger series set to start filming in the future, Spot could work, but I don't think he'd be able to carry a whole film as a villain unless he was part of a team.
Personally I want Mysterio.
>>84412342
Does Man Thing have a solo that was produced in the last five years? If not then comparing his solo to Carnage's is kind of dumb. In a few years it will be a better argument, but for now it's just silly, why not just say Dracula instead?
>>84412381
I want the storyline where Mysterio gives Daredevil's girlfriend AIDS
>>84412401
Man-Thing had his own movie.
>>84412434
I think you're thinking Swamp Thing, I could be wrong though.
Also, Howard The Duck had his own movie, and he's less popular than Carnage, sooo, checkmate I guess?
>>84412478
No, Man-Thing really had his own movie in like 2005.
It was absolute garbage. Like, one of the worst things I've ever seen, and I've read Skottie Young's Rocket Raccoon run.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-Thing_(film)
>>84412478
No, Man-Thing got a movie was well, one that many misattribute to Swamp Thing due to the fact that both characters are greatly similar.
>>84412507
Didn't the Swamp Thing movie feature him having sex?
>>84412504mfw I actually liked Young's Rocket solo
>>84412507
Wow, I'm am genuinely surprised by this
>>84412162
This, it's the same reason we didn't get Joaquin Phoenix as Doctor Strange.
>>84412549
IMO Young has great art but he can't write for shit.
I enjoyed the original Rocket Raccoon run above all. I miss Halfworld and Gideon's Bible and Blackjack O'Hare and fucking Wal Rus.
>>84412146
Keaton is too old for Osborn. The MCU is going to need another major villain after Thanos, and Stormin' Norman is the most obvious pick for that role.
>>84396515
>Bookem Woodbine as Shocker
>>84412690
I didn't know Shocker was black.
Marvel taking one of the great Batmans and having Spiderman kill him. Brilliant.
>>84397857
Wasn't he THE first one in Kirby/Lee original run?
>>84401411
please, no vampires.
I'll never go to see a Morbius movie
Also, Hammerhead would be lame af
Agree on Scorpion, Kraven and Hobgoblin though
>>84407534
I hope they don't go with the youth-stealing powers, it was terrible.
Rather go with Slott's version, the gravity manipulation...
>>84401048
>who or what is the fucking tinkerer though
>being this casual
>>84401411
>no hammerhead or silvermane crime syndicate
What about Tombstone?
>Shocker
Don't you mean Electro?
>>84396764
Came to the thread just for this.
>>84414076
No, that would be Chameleon.
Cast the rest of tehe Superior Foes
Glenn Howerton is Boomerang
>>84411934
Sony has him.
>>84413897
>Snyder takes J.K. Simmons
>Marvel takes Batman himself
#SHOTSFIRED
>>84396862
As he should be god its fucking shocker. He's my fav spiderman bad guy but he's supposed to suck. Cept that glorious moment at the end of superior foes
>>84401319
No. Stop that. Bad.
>>84396687
I expect tinkerer will be a background bigger bad and Shocker will be an Ultimate style joke villain.
It won't really be multiple villains per say.
>>84412381
>Ultimate Carnage
tfw Sony planned to do exactly that to bring back Gwen Stacy
>>84413490
Its MCU, someone has to be
>>84396554
>open scene spider-man beating shocker ass who got his stuff stealing from tinkerer and vulture, who work together and while vulture character is developed spider-man fight minor villain just to make his scene
Of course Spiderman 2 will still be better.
>>84401166
nigga, what? everyone is using Bat movies has an example
>>84396515
>Shocker
This is going to be a two hour longchase to the end of the Earthisn't it?
>>84396515
>Tinkerer
Thank god, that means they're not going down the "Oscorp creates all the villains" route.
I'm guessing Tinkerer will also take the role of the Vulture's partner that betrayed him.
>>84418340
I mean in comics
>>84396515
>Michael Keaton as the Vulture
>>84418319
Wow, we dodged that fucking bullet
