Why is JohnRoxy worshiped while Davekat is hated? They were both underdeveloped and rushed at the last second.
>>84296927
>shipping discussion
What a nice fucking thread, OP.
>>84296927
uwu I like them both <3
>>84296927
Homophobia.
>>84297140
gr8 b8 m8
i think that sburb assumes that all players in a successful session will go god tier, given that the troll session was a failure of sorts and that both kid sessions saw everyone in pajamas
>>84296927
John and Roxy don't screech the plot to a grinding halt to talk about their romantic entanglement, it just happens while other shit is happening. Meanwhile, post-retcon Dave wouldn't shut the fuck up about his situation and forced the audience to slog through multiple pesterlogs of it just to make sure he didn't slip something important between the cracks.
>>84296927
One was clearly setup and developed with romantic intent, the other had a pre-established best friends relationship which worked perfectly fine as an existing dynamic which made sense with the characters.
But what kind of shit question for a thread is that? Come on OP.
>>84297367
Do you hook up with random strangers instead of people you have an existing friendship with?
>>84297409
>Strilondes
>not horny assholes who fuck everything they see
>>84297450
>Fanon used as argument
>>84297276
I seem to recall that Dave's conversations weren't the only ones that happened? And kind of were essential to pushing the plot forward, he had to have his discussion with Dirk otherwise that fight couldn't occur.
Also I mean people complain about lack of exposition of talking about shit but when Dave spends time talking about shit it's an issue. Lmao okay.
>>84297450
haha no thats me! :D <3
>>84297479
Not the same anon, but:
>Karkat
>not ruined by fanon bullshit of him being a turtleneck-wearing weenie who needs cock to breath
>the whole fucking comic
>not ruined by fanon and their shitty memes
>>84297526
I too remember when he went from being a completely rational and totally not impatient teen in Game Over to when he became a..... completely rational and totally not impatient teen in.. his fight with Lord English. Yep. Checks out.
(sorry this is obviously sarcasm but I know subtext is hard for you)
>>84297516
>namefag being a whore
Yeah no shit.
>>84297567
I don't quite speak your language so I'm not sure what you said but have a nice day! <3
>>84297562
Nah, Hussie is just reminding us that Karkat is a joke character and has been promoted to Dave's cocksleeve.
>>84297665
>as opposed to the fact these threads promote jade to the wank bank pregnancy machine.
>>84297189
you can hardly take the sessions we see as examples of how 'normal' sessions are supposed to go, though
>>84297709
yeah, this is the main problem with really any theories about sburb
we need a guide
>>84297697
Not my fault that all the DaveJade shippers lurk in these threads and promote dank memes.
arabia!
>>84297924
eid mubarak 0u0
>>84297276
>to make sure he didn't slip something important between the cracks.
so...
ace dick is canonically gay right
>>84298260
i can't imagine why you'd think that
>>84298260
What did he mean by this?
>>84296927
JohnRoxy happening didn't coincide with the destruction of John and Roxy's personalities and previous relationship dynamic
Also we didn't learn about their relationship through half a dozen characters commenting on how cute they are together
>>84298260
no he's straight as an arrow
PI is bisexual though
>>84296927
John wasn't clearly a homosexual with tons of flirting and clear sexual tension with a bunch of male characters who suddenly turned into a straight guy at the end for the sake of...nothing.
Dave being gay did nothing for his character. It just ruined a cool friendship dynamic between him and Karkat.
>>84298748
Dave flirted with guys so fucking much under what rock did you live in which you missed him flirting with Tavros and Equius constantly.
And under what rock do you live that you think someone CAN'T be friends with the person they're dating? Do you just use your partner for romantic gratification and then fuck off? Holy shit.
>>84296927
Both were rushed and last second, but JohnRoxy getting together didn't replace their character development.
Rose is cute!
>>84298863
Also all of this: >>84298518
>>84298885
>rose havin a giggle
it was a more innocent time
>>84298863
What character development did John get exactly? He hasn't changed at all from the start of the comic to the finish. He didn't even embrace the "leader" role or unify everyone, that was Vriska. He did jackshit development wise.
>>84298863
>John Egbert
>implying he had actual character development
>>84298518
>implying they had a relationship dynamic before they were interested in each other
>>84298943
>>84298977
You can't ruin character development if it doesn't exist or isn't even hinted at.
>>84299034
I still fail to see corellation between Dave and Karkat's relationship and the fact that Hussie just said "fuck it" to Karkat's character development. Even if he was single he'd still get no development in this case. You can't really call the relationship the issue.
so like, ruining character development to you means being slightly happier and dating someone? Karkat's character development wasn't ruined by jack shit, it was straight up left uncared for.
>>84298943
>He did jackshit development wise
what about the retcon????? 8^)
>>84299120
You're right. They aren't actually connected, but the fact that the retcon and Vriskagram have all the bad things in Homestuck all tied together, they all kind of sit together in the same pile of shit.
Instead of everything we were looking forward to with Karkat's character, we got DaveKat. That's where the vitriol comes from.
The guy that said that he wanted to draw everyone in their classpects god tier coutfit posted a new drawing today
He said that there are approximately 20 drawings left to do
At this pace he will finish drawing all of them in the next year
>>84299314
But then constructively discussing where Karkat's character arc could have gone would be way better than just screeching that DaveJade didn't become endgame.
Like I would MUCH rather sit and discuss the potential things Karkat could have done to have a satisfying character conclusion versus just whine about ships.
>>84299324
my bad for the slow as balls pace, been dealing with some shit
Toby is friends with the Pope
Hussie is friends with IPGD
>>84299358
Don't speak for me. I'm infinitely more upset over how Karkat as a character was treated than how DaveJade didn't become a thing.
>>84299314
i 100% fail to get why you're all mad about karkat getting a ship and not character development while there's john who barely even started having some of it and also got a ship
and i fail to get why the vitriol all boils down to shit on a ship instead of being mad at all the character development almost every character was negated. either that or they were given a rushed one. doesn't it sucks more than having a ohnoes gay ship being canon?
>>84299261
and just what the hell did the retcon do to john's character development that is slightly more visible than a "i won't flip out at betty crocker being the condesce duh that's old stuff"
>>84299363
it's fine. thanks for doing these.
seer of void a cute!
>>84294974
i never knew i wanted this but i want it.
i'll probably write it in a bit unless anyone else wants to take a shot
Do you really need to whine about Davekat for hundreds of threads? Give it a rest.
Here's a substitute question for you: which Aspect governs over memory - Light, Heart or Mind?
>>84299642
blood
>>84299642
ClassAspect discussions are slightly worse than Davekat bitching
>>84299395
toby follows the pope
hussie follows pepe
>>84299642
If I had to go with one specific aspect I would be much more willing to state Light considering as an aspect it's also mean to represent information while Mind is moreso about choice.
However thanks to the discussion alt!Callie gave at the end about how aspects are interconnected in a way we can't see I feel way more confident in stating that there probably isn't one set aspect that governs "memories" but each interacts with that concept in it's own way.
>>84298885
What is his classpect and land?
>>84299642
i would guess that mind is the neurological memory, as in the physical way it works in your brain with synapses and shit, heart is the "deja vu" instinctive memory, blood might be "genetic memory" or some bullshit like that (see: the signless), and light is just information, which has fingers in all three of those pies.
>>84299711
Pope as a title? Lord of Hope.
This particular pope I don't know enough about to make an accurate judgment.
>>84299462
1. John was always boring. Karkat had potential to be interesting.
2. The massacre of the characters' development being worse doesn't make DaveKat good.
>>84299910
I'll also add that the DaveKat fandom is really what made me hate it. Same goes for most other DaveKat haters I know.
johnroxy is shit too but mostly just because roxy is an insufferable mary sue
>>84299937
You know, classpect stuff never interested me. Why are so many people obsessed with it?
>>84299958
I don't know but the more rigorous it becomes the worse it gets
Classpects should be (should have been) regarded as poetic titles and nothing more
>>84299958
Actual autism.
>>84299946
Roxy isn't a Mary Sue
Roxy is a good person who took the time to learn how to git gud
You just think she's a Mary Sue because Rose is a retard who decided to become a drunken whore for three years instead of play game and Dave got too triggered by his extremely useful time travel so he took to swallowing troll dick instead
Classpects turned to shit after it was revealed in Act 5 that they granted the players inherent powers like hope beams and the windy thing.
>>84299958
i like how the classpects refer more to story and meta influence than direct powersets
it makes it an interesting mental exercise to think about not only how they'd work, but what they would mean.
that and i want to imagine myself as special
>>84299363
Much appreciated that you're still keeping them in mind, loved my Mage of Hope with the bubble.
>>84299958
>>84299993
>>84300153
Overcoming hardships through the power of friendship/belief/rational thinking/mind lazors was always a major theme in fiction. By using the system of classpects it's possible to outline aspirations of characters, their worldview.
>>84300152
You're not salty.
>>84299910
blaming a ship over shitty character development is still no less of a petty excuse.
whether davekat makes sense to the audience or not is about both canon and our personal perception, and while it makes sense to me i still think it was for the most part badly executed. but the point is that it was as badly executed as almost anything was in the ending and to be honest it's kind of one of the least important things to whine about? yet all i've been reading in 60% of the 4chan threads in a year is "boohoo davekat is bad and jade should be pregnant of dave's offspring"
the only thing this fact tells me is that most people's priority here has nothing to do with character development at all.
>>84299462
I would argue that one of the few things the retcon powers did initially for John was forcing him to come to terms with the personal responsibility associated with having influence over events. He accepts that he has to learn to use these new powers, despite his fears of not being the ideal candidate for utilizing them. The problem here being that in the end he just does what Terezi tells him to after shouting at him, instead of working somewhat equally to figure out what to do to ensure the best results. Then everything goes downhill after the retcon happens and no one really acts like they used to.
>>84298819
Stop projecting so hard, yo. Dave was literally just ripping on them as a way to countertroll and make them as uncomfortable as possible. Like, all the hyperbolic sexual things he said in Tavros' conversation can't be taken as anything except ironic (this is what the joke).
>>84300486
>>84300511
>>84300452
And likewise you can bring up the fact he has a brief heartfelt moment about John and how he has a phallic obsession and how other characters CONSTANTLY questioned his sexuality early on, especially Rose and Dave got INCREDIBLY defensive at the idea of being classed as interested in men.
So anyway, if you didn't see it then by all means you're just bad at subtext. Not my problem.
>>84300420
>The problem here being that in the end he just does what Terezi tells him to after shouting at him, instead of working somewhat equally to figure out what to do to ensure the best results.
yes, john sounds like he barely absorbed the consequences of anything. and the others are not better.
yes, and that is exactly my problem. i'm mad about their character development being glossed over. as a davekat fan, the ship not being outright confirmed or actually explored post-vriskagram is quite literally one of the least of my fucking problems with this ending, and i guess i just don't get why the hell is this place so obsessed with crapping on a ship in stale terrible threads instead of discussing what could have worked better to end arcs and close plot holes, or even bitching about something else for a fucking change.
>>84300452
Isn't this the exact same argument people used to object to Dirk being gay because he was.. clearly doing it for the ironies. Lmao
>>84300588
i think it's people being salty about davekat shippers who have no standards being all like "CONFIRMED HAHA"
Do you think Dirk could be interested in pussy
>>84300641
I couldn't say. The thing to consider here is context. Dirk, contextually, was openly gay. He didn't care about it, the others didn't care about it.
Even if we go with the assumption that Dave was closeted gay, there simply was not enough "subtext" as >>84300588 is arguing. He showed overt interest in at least two female characters (Jade and Terezi) and this was not disingenuous. None of his interactions with other male characters even showed a slight tipping of the hand. Everything that could be construed as "gay" that he did was, in context, completely disingenuous.
That's the big problem, it's just not something that's congruent with his character at all and the only way it COULD have been is if there was more explanation and a better setup. But Hussie just hamfisted it in after the Retcon, which is why it's bad characterization and people are annoyed.
>>84300726
porrim's
she needs that 100% for her completion fetish
>>84300778
she could just peg dirk
>>84300726
If he didn't want Roxy's he won't want anyone's.
>>84300367
>blaming
You keep saying this, but no one is blaming DaveKat for the shit development. It's just part of it.
>>84300367
I think you may be exaggerating, given the course of 500+ post threads usually cover a good range of posts, including gripes with the post retcon comic. But if I had to offer a reason for its prevalence, outside of the usual controversial reasons any shipping discussion brings, it's likely the way that what were the two most popular characters with the most depth and potential for development came out of the retcon acting considerably differently to their prior selves, due to reasons we didn't get to see. A backlash on the supposed relationship due to the poor character handling from Hussie essentially.
>>84300290
I'd rather find out about a character's aspirations through their actions and interactions with other characters than being told by the Word of God. Especially when the Word of God is inconsistent and deliberately ambiguous to try and shoehorn wildly different personalities into the same box.
>>84300759
But contextually everything Dirk did until he actually was confirmed to be dating Jake was always put down to "irony" regardless of what it was, people were just blinded to the idea of a man liking another man in that way.
There's certainly subtext in place to imply he's gay, >>84300562 brought up how he was defensive over Rose speculating on his homosexuality and there's the very brief moment he mentions he loves John to Rose when it came off as completely random. "I should check up on John, because.. I love him" and then Rose just goes "I know". I agree on that I would have loved to explore further if Dave did have some unrequited feelings for John.
I really do struggle to see where he showed overt interest in Jade so if you could point me into some dialogues that they had I'd very much like to read them. I don't deny that he very much had an interest in Terezi however.
Everything Dave did in context could also be construed as someone dealing with suppressed sexuality who doesn't know how else to state it other than to make it into a joke. It's like how his "irony" was basically a shield for the fact he he felt neglected and uncared for.
The only thing I think Hussie really hamfisted was that he thought he could give us Vriska's reappearance without ANY conflict.
colored this from last night's requests
Karkat I Have Another Joke For You
Knock Knock
You May Be Wondering Who Is Bothering You
It Was Me Kanaya All Along
>>84300851
but isnt he uninterested in girls
>>84300588
I think it's just an easy focal point for criticism given the range of issues associated with the retcon's effects. In particular on the two most popular characters who end up acting differently than they used to for reasons we either don't see or don't exist and their interactions are being used as a hamfisted "are they aren't they?" pairing when they had a perfectly good previous dynamic as best friends.
Shipping is just an odd subject matter that causes real conflict, why? Who fucking knows; I'd love to see some genuine research into it, but it's such a weird and select phenomenon that I doubt there's anything solid of that sort.
>>84300967
Dave's actions, up until putting his head in Karkat's lap, are indistinguishable from typical heterosexual male behavior. The "he only said that because he was suppressing his true sexuality" argument isn't just weak, it's insulting to both heterosexual and homosexual men and perpetuates an harmful stereotype that men can't be trusted about their own feelings. It's the male equivalent of "she says she doesn't want it but deep down she really does".
>>84301056
jake is on the other end of him
>>84301019
i like this pic a lot
but her boobs kinda look weird
>>84301019
That's a super cute Jade there, Loki
>>84301056
Why would that stop her
>>84301147
those dresses dont really give someone's bust definition, the fabric around there tends to be rather firm
>>84301019
Look great Loki, though there may be some slight issues with her left wrist and torso on the right hand side. Still looks good overall.
>>84301173
if the whole poly thing is going to be a thing, it makes me wonder how the whole jake dynamic fits in, or whether he's off limits
i can imagine being included in a romp with jane might dredge up some feelings thought to be healed
>>84301147
yea, i used a reference for the dress. wedding dresses kind of make boobs look a little weird
>>84301217
Yea i'll tweak it a little
>>84301173
>>84301254
was jake included anywhere on that schedule? i think dave was the first male third wheel added, but roxy might have done something on her own with him
>implying Karkat is a character and not a joke
Zero childhood flashbacks.
>>84300967
Regarding Dave's interest in Jade, they certainly had a close bond, close enough that he said they "had kind of a special relationship" post-retcon during his conversation with Dirk. Pre-retcon, he was also distressed when Jade said he had broken her heart (referring to Davesprite), to which Dave said he would never do that. And Jade and Davesprite canonically dated pre-retcon, and since the Davesprite half of Davepeta stated he wasn't conflicted about possibly dating Karkat, it can be assumed that Davesprite and Dave have the same orientation and possible attraction to the same people
>>84301217
alright hopefully this is a little better
>>84301600
i could see any dave breaking up with jade being more because he feels inauthentic due to relying on his coolguy mask, especially since jade takes him at face value
>>84301678
looking much better
honestly the most disappointing thing about davekat is that dave played right into the cliche "closeted gay man" trope without any sense of genre awareness
like imagine how much better it would be if at some point dave had said the word "fujoshi"
>>84301678
Miles better, good job.
>>84301784
>imagine how much better it would be if at some point dave had said the word "fujoshi"
>>84301254
I'll be honest, and it's probably not gonna be popular: I think that Jake and Dirk patch things up and give dating another go. Considering their last few logs in the comic, they both admitted their faults in the relationship and feel bad that they messed things up, so I think they can talk through the issues they had and try to address their problems. Part of that being going a looooot slower on things.
>>84301344
I actually adjusted the table a bit, because clearly they weren't having enough sex. Aside from Jane (which started this whole thing) new partners always get involved in a threesome first. Anyway, as far as Jake goes, because he's back with Dirk and going slow, he'd probably decline right away, but might say yes later on, once he feels more comfortable in his own relationship.
>>84301841
come on don't tell me you like davekat better when it's played straight
>>84298943
>>84298977
it was nice when at one point he reached his limit and stopped being the ever forgiving nice guy in one of the best scenes. a shame that both times it never went anywhere and after he fought he just went back to old john, still not making his own decisions, leading him to break again in the future
Pfft, meeting the pope? Anyone who's anyone did that years ago.
>>84301950
how fucking young is hussie in this picture
>>84301903
makes sense
plus jake is probably the most shy and overtly insecure, so he'd probably take a lot of warming up to the idea
>>84301903
>Still working on this
I think you have a problem. Stop being this autistic. Stop making charts about underaged cartoon characters having sex.
Go back to being the level of autism where you write stories about underaged cartoon characters having sex.
>>84299672
To be fair Kek has that coveted meme magic.
>>84302104
how do you think people plan out their writing?
that's right
charts
>>84302104
how is he gonna write the story without the chart
this story requires a high level of coordination and precision
what if he accidentally creates a plot hole
How is Nannasprite so good and Jane is an attempted rapist?
>>84302104
What >>84302165 said. It's done now, I just felt John should be having more incest fucking, and that he should have a go with Aradia without Roxy along, because we all know she's pretty much down for anything. Among lesser twerks, of course.
>>84302201
Exactly. And if I make a plot hole, I'll probably be tempted to make John stick his dick in it. So we need to avoid that at all times.
http://www.strawpoll.me/10677876/r
Who's the one boy, anons?
My vote goes for an incredibly flustered crowbar.
Why didn't John quickly retrieve his arms to defeat English?
>>84299937
Give Life "Plants" between Growth and Life Force
Give Hope "Conviction" between Belief and Optimism
>>84302346
Everyone is a girl option, obviously, so I can get more pornography.
>>84302563
I disagree.
>>84299937
Time can have Predestination between Temporal Passage and Constraints, and Directing (as in, Timeline management/Alpha Timeline) between Tradition and Annihilation
>>84302417
but imagine:
>betas fight over male jade
>sollux accrues a frankly ridiculous harem
>lil cal is some creepy parian doll
>gay latuna
>eri is the only guy around and that's not enough for anybody to talk to him
>exceedingly flustered crowbar
>Jacqueline noir
>angry tiny girl karkat
>DD's gray gents
>dirk's pain arouses me
>female caliborn and male calliope
>>84296927
time?
johnxroxy was introduced as quick as their meeting in the jail cell, which have been at least more than a year since, while davekat was introduced in the end.
dave and karkat already had a thing going with other characters (female characters) so their ship kind of threw those relationships to the trash. john had what? maybe rose? she was denied quickly cus of lesboaction (which was not rushed in the least) maybe vriska? nope, she was already swooning over meenah and had already dated dead john for a while.
roxy had same problem as john, most dating prospects were taken or gay or both. then john came, who looked like one of her crushes (jake). remember that john also found mom lalonde hot before she died so there is that.
>>84302221
mind control
>>84302386
both rage and hope have conviction
they just flow in different directions
>>84302282
>John should be having more incest fucking
this
>>84302774
Actually I think Hope should have Determination while Rage has Conviction. They are both similar concept, but Determination is more about believing in yourself while Conviction in more about believing in something other than you. I'd even say Rage can have Faith instead of Pragmatism.
Honestly I thought Nanna would tell the kids what the Codesce's weakness was. She knew all her secrets, right?
But then the Condesce just died from getting stabbed, so whatever.
>>84302282
one thing i wonder is how awkward hangout times can get when everyone is fwb
i wonder if anyone might get jealous
>>84300452
ITS A RUSSIAN TAUNT!!!
>>84302884
nanna technically wasnt raised by condy
crockercorp was human-run in b1, and she got co-opted by condy in b2 like the black queen did in the session
>>84302935
Didn't you read Nanna's story to FedoraFreak?
>>84303048
oh wait, i'm wrong
but she maybe didnt find out anything considering she knows nothing about what trolls are
>>84302899
there would inevitably be drama and fallout from someone developing (or thinking they're developing) deeper feelings than just lust
It's unsustainable unless you get extremely lucky with the group
>>84302221
She was written as a proper secondary, supporting character back when there was a clear main cast. She added to the story's plot, the primary stage of Skaia and most importantly she helped develop John as a character which is the most important thing for a secondary character to do. The lesser trolls are examples of poorly done secondary characters that only get worse as the story goes on.
>>84303126
and they're going to be young and horny FOREVER
until they die
>>84302609
>>eri is the only guy around and that's not enough for anybody to talk to him
Hot damn I'd read the shit out of that.
>>84302813
This guy knows what's up. Also, there aren't enough John/Jane images.
>>84302899
They're probably pretty awkward, at least at the start. I imagine they'll get more used to it after a while, once they get more comfortable in the situation. As far as jealousy goes, it probably helps that the centerpiece of the fuckpile is John, Roxy and Terezi's fairly stable relationship. Not saying jealousy and trouble couldn't happen, but the three of them are working hard to make sure it won't happen.
>>84302609
Would female Caliborn be a Fujoshi or a Yurifag?
>>84301101
>It's the male equivalent of "she says she doesn't want it but deep down she really does".
Man. Yes. This.
>>84303372
>WHAT'S BETTER THAN THIS. GALS BEING PALS.
>>84303372
both
>>84303323
will karkat ever factor into these?
>>84303823
He's next fic. As for the John/Roxy pile, I'm gonna stay mum on that, I've got an idea that I think will be funnier if I keep quiet on it for the moment.
>>84303823
He and Jake are likely going to have the biggest hangups with relationships in general, so even if he does eventually go along with all the sexy shenanigans, it's sure to take a while.
>>84303894
neato
i look forward to it
>>84299395
>>84303934
>pope
wait, i thought this was a joke
Let's think of some new Paradox Space comics.
>A Fun Day for Tinkerbull - Tinkerbull gets ran over by Tavros again.
>Bathroom Duties - We find out who cleans the meteor crew's toilets (it's Karkat) and we watch him clean them.
>ConSORT - We watch the salamanders, alligators, turtles, and iguanas organize their respective kid's sock drawer.
>Gam Z - Gamzee takes his rap career on tour, but no on shows up. Critics claim no one wants to see a rapping clown.
>Serious Business - Dad meets with his associates and they make a few spreadsheets.
>Meateor - Dave wants steak, but the meteor doesn't have any. He then eats Karkat's romance novels.
>King's Quest - The Black King robs the Prospitian bank.
>Squiddle Diddle - Rose finds the Squiddles smut Jade drew. Jade is embarrased until Rose shares her own erotic fanfics
>Mobius Trip - John and Dad try to take a roadtrip, only to wind up back at their house. John whines that he always feels stuck at that home.
>>84303934
Fucking saved.
>>84304198
>8IG - Vriska emotionally, psychologically and psychically tortures the meteor crew into prime fighting condition.
>>84301101
Fucking THIS. Thank you, Anon.
>>84304198
this... is depressing
>>84303950
Thanks, I think it'll be fun.
>>84303910
Yeah, a big part of writing Karkat is dealing with his many and numerous hangups. His smut fic is with Porrim and Kanaya, which should be a lot of fun.
>>84304198
Caliborn has some free time during his session and plays a nice rousing game of tablestickball with Gamzee, Lil' Seb, and Crowbar.
Comic ends with Caliborn brutalizing Gamzee with a pool cue.
>>84299519
>>84294974
http://pastebin.com/H9D0ReGd
YOU'RE
WELCOMEno tears because I'm bad at writing emotional stuff sorry
>>84304340
>smut fic is with Porrim and Kanaya
Oh man, that's going to be some good shitany chance of Kanaya having hangups about Porrim playing into the scenario?
>>84304689
>Rose making Roxy dress up as Mom to fill her weird fantasies
>>84304763
>any chance of Kanaya having hangups about Porrim playing into the scenario?
What fun would it be otherwise?
It was a scenario from a thread a few weeks ago, the idea being Karkat and Kanaya are hanging out, they fall asleep together on the couch (maybe cuddling) and wake up in the dream bubbles with Porrim teasing them until eventually invitations to bow chicka bow wow are handed out. Both Karkat and Kanaya have issues with this, neither of which is powerful enough to dissuade them.
A fun idea I had was Kanaya unsure about sex with her ancestor, then suddenly she hears Rose calling down to her from a nearby balcony, telling her "Hey, we've all fucked our moms, it's pretty cool."
>>84304689
Fantastic. Never stop.
Will there be a continuation?
>when your hearts wants you to draw HS but your brain wants you to shoot yourself
>>84305030
but what does your dick think anon
>>84305010
I don't know, do you guys want there to be a continuation? I mean it's obviously set up for it but I just did this fic to indulge myself, so I won't continue unless other people want me to.
https://www.reddit.com/r/homestuck/comments/4riy1j/did_lord_english_win/
what are your thoughts on this theory?
>obligatory "inb4 get out leddit"
Can dream bubble projections get pregnant? Can dream bubble ghosts get pregnant? If a troll in a dream bubble swapped their species to human, could they get pregnant? These are the things we must ask ourselves.
>>84305097
get out leddit
>>84305097
There is no true resolution to speculate. It is to remain forever vague because Hussie had spent so much time away from his own comic he had forgotten how to write it, and decided it would be best to end it completely instead of continuing to have it stagnate
>>84305115
no
no
no
>>84304689
>Try to read odyssey by Homer
>takes a break
>comes here
>sees this
>reads
>"you want me... to dress up as your mom, and let you suck on my, um... tits?"
>mfw
>>84303934
Never gets old
>>84305159
Don't kill my dreams.
![05028[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/IlaK4RX.gif "05028[1].gif")
>>84305097
>The shitty twist is that he achieved checkmate by making everyone think he'd lost.
Holy shit
>>84305181
>not getting off to the odyssey
haha get a load of this anon
>>84305291
yeah, it would make sense
but given how caliborn felt about his quest, maybe his idea of "winning" is different form the kids
in the end, everyone won. except condy. and slick. andthe readers
>>84304198
>King's Quest - The Black King robs the Prospitian bank.
kek
>>84305057
"I'm broken, help"
>>84305470
JADE STOP ABUSING THAT POOR DOG
I can't believe Karkat hanged himself.....
>>84305097
well yeah pretty much. even if he dies in act 7 hes still won because he got to play a game and be the best thing in existence for eternity, and then finally engineer his own creation again.
all the main characters won too. there was never REALLY any conflict. everyones happy! except all the universes full of lives he ruins. but, oh well. we cant criticise caliborn for doing what he likes with his shitty universes. theyre his cows and everyone enjoyed their milk at his discretion.
>>84305531
and he was naked too...
>>84305291
caliborn never actually got a checkmate or official forfeit out of calliope on that game. she smashed the chess set when he was 4 moves from mate, ending the game prematurely.
>>84299937
Made a few changes in life, hope and time
>>84305647
i cant believe how well-hung he was!
>>84305716
What a fucking little bitch, just because Caliborn actually got the better of her once.
>>84305745
nice
>>84305726
i recommend "conception" for the lower-right hope corner
>>84303934
>No Pepe in the Hussie picture
D R O P P E D
>>84304198
These are miserably accurate
>>84306075
you mean between derivative and abstract?
>>84305726
the fuck does "pitenap" mean
>>84306075
isnt conception relacionated to space too?
>>84306394
Pepe does not deserve this fate
where did karkat's corpse go...
IT IS TIME. TO ANSWER SOME FANMAIL.
>Wow, thank you for insulting anyone who doesn't like what you're doing in the comic. Nice to see you're a world class douchebag on top of being a shitty writer. Is there no level your ability to be an asshole won't steep?
AT NO POINT DID I DO WHAT YOU ACCUSED ME OFF.
BUT NOW THAT YOUR QUESTION HAS BEEN SELECTED FOR A RESPONSE. PRACTICALLY EVERYONE WHO READS IT WILL REGARD YOU AS A FROTHING ASSHOLE. UNFAIRLY OR OTHERWISE. GOOD THING YOU'RE ANONYMOUS! I WONDER HOW YOU WOULD HANDLE A SIGNIFICANT VOLUME OF NEGATIVITY DIRECTED AT YOU? GIVEN HOW EASILY RATTLED YOU SEEM TO BE. PROBABLY NOT VERY WELL.
ALSO. WHY IS MY ABILITY TO BE AN ASSHOLE STEEPING? IS IT MAKING TEA?
>You sure take a lot of refuge in humor. A reason for stupid plot developments, a reason for acting like an asshole. What else do excuse with it?
WHAT CAN I SAY. I HAVE A VERY EXPANSIVE SENSE OF HUMOR.
ALSO THOSE THINGS DON'T NEED EXCUSING. CAUSE THEY WERE ALL PRETTY GOOD. WHATEVER THEY WERE. AND THE HUMOR BEHIND THEM DIDN'T JUSTIFY THEM. BUT DROVE THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.
BUT QUITE FRANKLY. YOU SOUND LIKE A BIT OF A DICK TO ME.
AND I DOUBT YOU ARE AS FUNNY AS I AM. SO WHAT IS YOUR EXCUSE?
>Wow, you're becoming kind of a jerk. People may not be wording these in the politest of ways, but other people who are stable minded may share some of these opinions and you're pretty much insulting in whole. Shouldn't they be allowed to have views?
I AM NOT A JERK. I LIKE TO JOKE AROUND.
DO MY JOKES DISALLOW VARIED VIEWS?
MY JOKES WOULD BE PRETTY DANGEROUS IF THEY DID THAT.
>If you were forced to choose between working with an entirely textual medium or with an entirely visual medium, which would you choose?
TEXT. BECAUSE IT'S EASIER.
HERE ARE THE FACTS EVERYBODY.
WRITING IS EASY.
DRAWING IS HARD.
I THINK IF TWO PEOPLE COLLABORATE ON MAKING A COMIC. ONE WRITING. THE OTHER DRAWING. THE WRITER SHOULD BE FORCED TO SERVE AS THE ARTIST'S BUTLER TO EVEN THE SCORE.
>>84306767
the fuck is this
reminder caliborn is a living, breathing sentient and sapient artifical intelligence trapped in a shitty webcomic
>>84306767
weirdly i like andrew more now after reading this
>>84306668
I want Matt Furie to sue Hussie.
>>84306767
I'm so conflicted. I know he's being an asshole to me, but it's so in-character for caliborn.
>>84306767
So caliborn IS old hussie
>>84306457
Its not pitenap its literal
I know that the handwriting is shit im so sorry
>>84306672
*8urps*
Sorry.
>>84306767
if this doesnt prove the theory that caliborn created homestuck i dont know what does
>>84306803
Andrew's condescending formspring answers, in Caliborn's quirk.
>>84306834
Those old formspring answers are kind of a touchy issue. Hard to say how much of it was sincere and how much of it was "in character".
>>84306434
yes. it seems like it would fit there, between imagination and fantasy
>>84306619
symbolically, space is the womb that receives hope's creative seed, which is why there's so much phallic imagery tied to hope
>>84306767
>HERE ARE THE FACTS EVERYBODY.
>WRITING IS EASY.
>DRAWING IS HARD.
>I THINK IF TWO PEOPLE COLLABORATE ON MAKING A COMIC. ONE WRITING. THE OTHER DRAWING. THE WRITER SHOULD BE FORCED TO SERVE AS THE ARTIST'S BUTLER TO EVEN THE SCORE.
and then hussie stopped drawing for the rest of the comic
>>84306951
ahh yes the first p-like shape was also an L
I probably spent like 10 minutes deciphering your hieroglyphics and I sort of had fun doing it but that one I just couldn't figure out haha
>>84307088
it's ok he became ipgd's butler
>>84306767
this is fucking incredible when you realize the implications of lord english
>>84299395
>>84303934
Wait, how does the Pope have time for some random dude's indie game?
>>84302153
Not in the context of Hussie and tumblr memes. Only a select few can wield meme magic, and Hussie is very clearly not in that number.
>>84307265
The Pope doesn't even own a computer, nor is he allowed to have one, or anything, that isn't a life necessity.
The dude from Game Theory gave him a Steam code for Undertale because you have to give the Pope a gift if you meet him. I have no fucking idea how the dude from Game Theory got to meet the Pope in the first place. I don't think anyone does.
I do wonder where all the Pope gifts end up, since he can't have things.
>>84307046
as always, all the parts you got annoyed by were sincere and all the parts you laughed at were in character
what if lord english wanted vriska to bring the juju to him so that he could obtain retcon powers like john
and then he used them to write homestuck
>>84307057
Added conception
>>84307331
>The Pope doesn't even own a computer, nor is he allowed to have one, or anything, that isn't a life necessity.
Come on man, Popes have the Popemobile and stuff like that.
>>84307331
>The Pope doesn't even own a computer, nor is he allowed to have one, or anything, that isn't a life necessity.
he's catholic, not amish
>>84307511
I wish this was canon. It wouldn't kill Hussie to make something like this. He could even just look at this and give it his approval.
>>84307482
imo the juju literally was homestuck and caliborn created the comic and all the universes in it by beating his session
>>84307545
please no
that just gives us a uselessly ambiguous framework for an already very shitty system
>>84307545
Sburb isn't important anon
It never was
#davekat is the future
>>84307524
>>84307535
This is apparently a thing that is true because someone on Twitter said it was when reacting to the absurdity of him getting Undertale.
>>84307524
popemobile is kind of a necessity considering the high risk that popes have of being attacked
>>84307524
uh a popemobile is a life necessity
if the kids were to establish a religion on the new world who would they put as a pope?
>>84307679
Literally Karkat 'I am your god' Vantas
>>84307711
>not allowed to have sex
sounds about right
>>84307711
He is dead, you fucking asshole
>>84307711
The Pope is not allowed to be cuckolded by a juggalo. Everyone knows this.
>>84307511
these never make any fucking sense to me. what's the pattern between "Illumination, respiration, matter, temporal passage, life force, nothingness "Blood pump", identity, fate, optimism, anger and "Nutritional supply""?
>>84305181
Glad you enjoyed it.
>>84307331
>>84307524
Well the rule for Jesuits is to communally own things under the pretense that they are beneficial to their own ministry. Not sure how an 8-bit game about spoopy skellingtons fits into that.
>>84300272
Dad looks creepy in this pic. Too many features
>>84307924
they're all "pitenal" which I guess is the opposite of "abstract"?
>>84308092
How are fate, optimism, and anger not abstract concepts?
Is pitenal even a real word?
>>84303323
I wish this happened on the ship
>>84308092
>>84308145
LITERAL
it says LITERAL, and the person who wrote it has shitty handwriting.
LITERAL vs ABSTRACT.
