How do you write a gay character without having their sexuality be the only defining trait?
Same way you'd write a straight one.
>>84284338
They count since this couple didn't noticeably happen in the show and had to be clarified.
Was there any build up to this at all?
>>84284338
Give them other defining traits.
>>84284338
It doesn't matter what you do because you all will still complain.
>>84284359
This
The same way Bryke did it.
>>84284359
This. Maybe include a snippet here or there about what them being homosexual means in that universe's setting, if it means anything at all. Other than that, they should just be a normal character.
Just like your pic related.
Just write them as a fucking person and if their romance happens to show up, you'll know.
>How do I write a character with a huge, deformed hand without the huge deformed hand being noticed or shown or mentioned or relevant in any way?
Well, you could just not give him the deformed hand.
>But what if instead I WANT the plot to revolve around/be affected by the fact that he has a huge deformed hand?
Then you mention he has a huge deformed hand, because it is relevant and needed for exposition.
Jesus Christ is it this hard?
/pol/ will call it jewish propaganda anyway, and Tumblr will complain about the misrepresentation anyway. Just write good stories for fuck's sake.
>>84284475
nope
>>84284546
Don't encourage people to write shitty characters.
As much as people might complain about the execution of the lesbians at the end of LoK or the individual characterizations of its cast, the show is probably a good enough example of doing just that.
For all you can say about Korra, "defined only by her sexuality" is objectively not a complaint you could validly raise
>>84284359
Pretty much /thread.
>>84284359
Thread/
>>84284475
Not really. There might have been some perhaps? I don't want to go back and watch the series for any evidence. I wouldn't have such a problem with this if it wasn't so badly done to the point where the creators had to tell the fans she went all lesbos.
Write them like any character. And if their sexuality comes up, well, just mention that they're gay.
>>84284359
/thread
>>84284359
This
>>84284511
And this.
>>84284338
literally this >>84284359
>>84284338
bring it up casually, nonverbally one episode and only show it again a few more times, very rarely
>>84284938
Nailed it. Perfect gay or bisexual character.
Except never clarify if they're really gay, leave that to the fans it's more fun
How do you write a trans character without having their gender be the only defining trait?
>>84285053
You fucking don't.
>>84284338
>How do you write a character that isn't two dimensional?
Rip one off that isn't, or write them like someone you know. If gay's in your work order, have them do an internal monologue while fucking someone.
Make them a normal character, then after the episode, do an unironic, serious PSA about accepting different people.
>>84284547
So Hellboy? We can't all just copy Hellboy.
>>84285043
Yeah, they ruined Constantine more than ever by taking away all doubt that he also bangs dudes.
>>84285053
The same fucking way everyone saying in this thread. just write a PERSON. if them being trans comes up, it comes up.
>>84285053
You make them a stranger in a strange land. "The human", "the American", "the time traveller".
>>84285237
The point is not to clarify it with a label. Occasionally banging dudes kinda sounds within Constantine's character, especially to get at a mark
>>84285053
Just reference their mental illness if and when it comes up
>>84285053
Do this
>>84285322
There's a character in the show China IL named Pepper that's Trans and you wouldn't even know unless you saw the single ep it was mentioned. She never talks about and it's not a big deal.
Now if you're trying to write Trans Trender, well just have them bring up their Gender at every chance and complain about pronouns as if it was the most special thing about their identity, like that Gen Zed show or something.
>>84285311
Well, they have him doing it for recreation now, when previously they had only alluded to that, and showed him just once doing it to get at a mark.
>The point is not to clarify it with a label.
Yeah, labels are like metal shavings in a microwave souffle. You gotta change your ingredients or your cooking method. Either way, the world has made you change the recipe.
>>84284547
>But what if instead I WANT the plot to revolve around/be affected by the fact that he has a huge deformed hand?
Who said anyone wants the plot to revolve around the character being gay? There's a difference between having a gay character in a story and having a gay story about gay characters and their gayness.
>>84285053
Give them other struggles and life problems that don't involve their gender at all, but acknowledge their gender when it would be an issue in their life.
>>84285053
Sophia Burset
>>84285706
Canon homo happened way before tumblr, hi Achilles and Patroclus.
>>84284338
Don't think of them as a gay character, just a character.
Never says they're gay, but gently implies it: "SJWs are just seeing what's not there"
Never says it in the show, creators mention it later: "Fucking bullshit they just made up at the end to appease SJWs"
Say it in the show directly, even very slightly: "fucking pandering"
Just admit you don't actually want gay characters and it annoys you no matter how it's done.
>>84285813
GoT never got sledged for that, and it's got a few legbutts about the cast.
>>84285813
Basically, whining here over the slightest hint of a character not exactly like you in anything is fucking obnoxious, who cares.
>>84285743
But every conflict involving her involves her being trans.
>>84285813
Well said
>>84284338
Don't write a "gay character". Write a character. That happens to be gay.
ONLY bring up their sexual preferences IF it makes sense in context of the story/you want a romance subplot in your show. DON'T just bring it up whenever as a badge of progressiveness to pat yourself on the back/remind the viewer that YES THIS CHARACTER IS --->GAY<---. Basically, what >>84284359 said. Write them as you would a regular.
>>84285855
Have you been to /got/? It got sledged plenty for its SJW agenda. Along with lots of "fuck D & D for making Renly and Loras gay" although they were fucking in the books.
>>84285924
But D&D has always been gay. That's like complaining about a new flavor of ice cream being fattening.
/co/ will bitch regardless, but here's my take:
If it's a major plot point, don't make it the entire character. The character should have other characteristics, personality, etc. Not just "gay person".
If it's not a plot point, follow the above still. But go even further. Real gay people don't shout their sexual preferences very often (this is what pisses me off about LGBT supposedly being unrepresented in media, any number of your favorite characters could be gay or trans or whatever. It doesn't need to come up.).
>>84284511
I saw no one complaining about Jeff's two moms in Clarence or Tony from Earthbound. It's possible to write gay characters well, and the key is to not be obnoxious about it and write them as natural characters.
>>84284475
As someone who thinks of themselves as bi, it's kind of down the middle leaning towards no. There were definitely hints but only in retrospect, with the two big ones that I didn't need Bryke adjusting my hetero lenses to see being the hand hold at the end of book 3 and Korra blushing. I can sort of give them a pass because kid's network and whatever, the big issue is Korra and Asami had no real chemistry and the fandom wrote the ship, which has resulted in some really weird interpretations of their relationship.
Honestly if Mike and Bryan had said months in advanced that they think of Korra and Asami as bi (but they didn't because they admitted they waited until near the end of the show's production to go ahead with it) I'd have a more positive/lenient view on the ship, but they didn't. So they can go suck dog dick.
>>84284526
>>84284535
>>84284686
>>84284879
>>84284949
>>84284957
>>84284991
I don't think I really buy into this writing philosophy. It's possible to write someone different than you and keep their differences intact.
The fact that this thread has Korra as the OP honestly supports the view that the problem is with the audience, not the writer. Korra's bisexuality came up for a 2 second implied scene at the very end of the series. They could not have made a smaller deal out of it if they tried and it's still practically the only thing /co/ talks about in Korra threads.
I think the real answer is to stop asking the question or caring about the answer. There are going to be gay characters and it's not a bad thing for that to be a big part of their identity. That doesn't make them an invalid character.
>>84285813
You sound angry senpai
>>84284338
Start by having a story to tell that isn't ultimately about sex. It's harder than it sounds.
tfw the eds were perfectly subtly bi but /co/ will never accept it because
1) self insert to fuck waifu
2) an sjw shipped it
>>84284546
So what you want is for all gay characters to be shoehorned in last minute in canceled shows so the hack writers can them claim that anyone criticizing their shitshow is homophobic. Gotcha.
>>84286059
>it's still practically the only thing /co/ talks about in Korra threads.
That's because the only good part of the series is the porn, where it is an important topic.
>>84286053
Plenty of people complained
>>84284546
Although idealy the characters would be better written in general then they were
>>84284338
The thing is, having sexuality defining a character is not bad. Him from powerpuff girls, for example.
It can work, the issue is when they don't fully embrace it. I see it in many webcomics, the character is revealed to be gay and then this point is forgotten. Why would you make a character gay if you're not going to use it in your story?
>>84286103
People complained about pokemon being satanic for including something called evolution. No one sensible complained in a sane way.
>>84286083
>Korra's ending
>>>>Subtle
I bet you think Snyder is subtle too.
>>84286127
To handle those obnoxious cunts who always try to hook their friends up with everyone they meet.
>>84286053
Well said. Maybe if people intergrated gays as normal people instead of obnoxious and flamboyant people wouldn't have a problem. But no we need "muh special snowflake that's been oppressed and you can't ever understand."
>>84285884
Her son becoming an asshole had nothing to do with her being trans.
>>84286024
>Real gay people don't shout their sexual preferences very often
They do passively if they're dating or married. They might not go and scream they're gay, but they'll be with a partner. Even that sort of thing is considered pandering by /co//
>>84286083
>the eds
Ed, Edd and Eddy were bi?
>>84284338
You never mention it.
It needs to be organic, not used as a crutch, if the situation doesn't need to be brought up then don't, if the moment never ever presents itself for it to be mentioned, ackwoledged or alluded to, then don't, it's bad enough straights use it as a crutch 90% of the time without even knowing it, the last thing we need is more of it.
>>84284338
Just do Korra.
She wasn't gay until the very end.
>>84284338
Don't treat it like it's important at all.
>>84284359
FPBP
>>84286129
>No true /co/mrade
>>84284475
There were some hints in the 4th book and they were deliberate, but they were pretty small; only shippers saw them.
>>84286181
Ed definitely was
The other two are debatable but Danny let the female boarders put a fuckton of pandering in
>>84285924
In the books them being gay was only implied and off to the side, only mentioned as snide comments by his brothers under their breaths and Renly and Loras main character traits were their egos and family history as opposed to "hey they're gay here's another wiener party scene cause this is HBO"
>>84286127
>Why would you make a character gay if you're not going to use it in your story?
To have more varied characters
Also verisimilitude
>>84286127
I agree with this most of all. Characters can be gay, that can even be a one of the defining parts of their identity but you have to ask yourself as a writer, "why does it matter?"
Feel free to apply the same reasoning to being straight. Is the story about their relationship? If not then abide by Chekhov's Gun.
>>84284475
I have a gay radar built in, I can tell really easily who's gay and who isn't and I never saw this coming,it was pretty forced...then again my gaydar is successful with real people and these aren't so it might have been thrown off by it.
>>84284338
Be consistent in their portrayal, make them fun to read or watch, and make their sexuality a component of their character (even a big one, if that's what you want) but not entirely what they're about. See, for example, Devlin Waugh - ludicrously gay vampire hunter and Wildean aesthet.
>>84286059
The only difference is she likes pussies instead of dicks, making it a big deal is unnecessary.
Especially in today's world where its not a big deal anymore unlike the 60/70's.
>>84286174
>/co/ is 5 loudmouths who spend all day trying to derail threads.
>>84284475
Apparently dumping the same guy makes you gay for each other
>>84286127
>The thing is, having sexuality defining a character is not bad
But it is. Imagine a straight guy proclaiming he wants to eat pussy all the time without any other divergences.
>>84286239
False analogy.
>"Ok Bryan, we need to write the scene where Korra and Asami reunite."
>"Ok, great! This will be a good opportunity to hint that there could be something deeper between them."
>"Right. So Asami is in love with Korra, she hasn't seen her in three years, the last time she saw her she was in a wheelchair and depressed and she just found out that nobody, including her own parents, has seen Korra in over six months. What can she say to convey how much she missed and cares about Korra?"
>"Have her compliment her haircut."
>"Fucking brilliant. What should Korra say?"
>"Have her call Asami 'snazzy'."
>"Holy SHIT the fandom is gonna love this."
>>84286554
I don't have to imagine that. It's common.
>>84286557
No it's not
>>84284338
Treat it like it doesn't matter, and don't push a stupid "gay rights" agenda using said character as a cheap cudgel by leftist writers to bludgeon non-leftists into being "diverse" and "tolerant".
In other words, no social engineering Cultural Marxist bullshit. Leave the politics OUT. Focus on character relationships, battles, and personal problems related to be a superhero.
>>84286485
We want to try and integrate a gay character not simply for the fact that their gay and must be obnoxious.
>>84286554
Hi.
>>84286596
But, that's the joke with Johnny. He acts like a stereotypical "He-Man", and women beat him up with judo flips and kicks because he acts like a boob.
>>84284475
How much "build up" does one need to begin a relationship? I'm serious. As Bryke pointed out in their statements after the finale, they're literally just starting out on their relationship. How much preparation do you need to justify going out on a date (okay, a long travel "date", but it's not like they're unknown to each other, they don't have to start out with meeting for coffee and awkward flirtations, they can do something more adventurous) with someone?
>>84284467
It only needed to be clarified because people are ridiculously resistant to recognizing queer relationships in media. The imagery *should* be enough to spell out romance, and would be unmistakable if it were a guy & a girl, but because it's two girls, people trip over themselves trying to say it isn't.
>>84286596
I'll have you know that Johnny and Panty are complex three dimensional characters that are brilliantly written with a wide range of emotions and human depth that they begin to recede between fictional and real life.
>>84286554
There's a character like that in almost every cartoon though. There's several different archetypes of characters like that.
>Player characters always trying to get girls
>One-itis characters going on about a specific girl
>loser guys pining over how they can't get girls
>>84286649
yeah.
yeah, it is.
what's your point?
>>84284338
if you don't know, then you shouldn't be writing.
>>84284338
You look at how Korra handled itand do the opposite
>>84284475
Those who say it did have a build-up basically say that if you have a friend who is friendly to you and who writes letters to you, that friends wants to fuck you.
At least that's what I gathered, considering that's all the build up Korrasami had.
>>84286649
We need the dyke version of Johnny Bravo, constantly striking out with straight chicks. See if it still rings true.
>>84284338
Don't be a shit writer. A character's sexuality should be an, at best, tertiary aspect of them in most situations.
>>84284338
Dumbledore
>>84286554
I could probably list upwards of 100 examples of exactly that just from cartoons. That's not a very good point.
>>84286652
Obviously this varies from person to person, but to me the issue was Korra and Asami barely felt like close friends, never mind girlfriends. If Asami had been a guy my reaction would have been the same. What did Asami do to draw Korra to her? Where was all the emotional support the fandom kept screaming about? They had one meaningful conversation in book 3 and it was about, interestingly enough, their relationships with Mako and that was it. Korra never went to Asami for advice on where she fits in the world as the Avatar, she didn't ask her about what she should do with the air nomads, 75% of the "hints" from book 3 were literally just Asami standing closer to Korra.
best gay reveal? one year into a successful plot with likable characters have a super powered sex goddess show up and have no effect, or little enough the character can still fight. maybe save a big name hero, then have it be a shock to the reader and the character. long awkward break up with the neglected girl friend that was in the dark about the powers so it seems to make sense. Maybe a mother that pulls the "I KNEW IT" rant and places the gayness to blame for all the missed social interactions and wierdness from the super hero shit.
>>84286727
I just realized that when Harry blew the fuck out Drago's father, Dumbledore probably was thinking how hot Harry is.
>>84286747
And I'll just add: Bryke 100% wrote the ship for the hardcore shippers, the people who looked for hints EVERYWHERE. Korrasami becoming canon is basically Zutara being made canon. It was a crackship that Bryke stupidly took seriously.Korra/Opal would have been better.
>>84286667
That it's only ever done as a JOKE. A laugh. The fact that it is done seriously with gays, is idiotic. In the 1980's, no one cared about Elton John being gay, because he didn't make the core of his personality and didn't define himself solely by being "gay". He was a musician and man first, and a gay guy in distant second.
>>84286727
I'd say this but, and maybe this is just me, it felt so lame that JK Rowling said after the books were done, with no mentions otherwise on his sexuality, that Dumbledore was gay just didn't feel right.
They did say he was gay for Grindelwald though, right? Maybe there was a hint or two there I missed.
>>84286784
You weren't alive in the 80's.
>>84285813
I don't remember there being a lot of outrage about Weisman's "secret gays" in Young Justice. It might be that he's such a meticulous planner that nobody could call it as being "just made up after the fact", but it might also just be that he made good characters.
>>84286784
He was also a knight. These days, if you happen to be gay, you scream it at all times to cash in on the guilt and attention, or you're a traitor.
>>84286747
Forget about organic relationships, you can't reason with them all the fandom cares about is Korra and Asami fucking like monkeys, then spreading aids.
>>84285813
That's because every last one of those is done to bash straight and religious people, and to push an agenda. The fact that they shove in people's faces, and then demand that they accept the faggotry, is retarded.
Ian McKellan.
>>84286959
hes a real person tho
>>84286851
Wrong. I was02by the end of the eighties. Still doesn't change the fact that people liked him because of his beautiful music, rather than him cashing in on the "diversity" gravy train of sympathy and hugboxes!
>>84286925
All I'm gonna say is they could have shown Korra and Asami growing closer on an emotional level and still keep it platonic for the sake of censorship.
Should characters express their identity at all? When did we become so obsessed with seeing face? I'd rather leave such things open ended.
>>84287027
Exactly.
>>84287063
>Should characters express their identity at all?
Should they not?
Subtlety is dead, we might as well be this.
>>84287063
>When did we become so obsessed with seeing face?
To quite a few gay people leaving characters' sexualities vague or confirming it after the fact/it never being brought up in the show can come across as even television is telling them to stay in the closet.
I know the kneejerk response to this sort of thing is don't take media seriously, but it probably gets annoying when random minor character #34 who died all the way back in season 2 was actually "gay all along!".
>>84287063
>meh if they show the character walking out with a girl or guy from the bedroom or putting on clothes and some walks in on them then i think it fines
or you could go the Gay Tony route and be so flamboyant its endearing
>>84287056
But we needed to appease the gays. They need to have their cake and eat it too. Character is irrelevant so as long as the fans are pleased.
>>84284338
>How do you write a gay character without having their sexuality be the only defining trait?
You right a good character and then have one of the challenges they need to overcome involve their sexuality.
I mean, you could just toss it out there as a side note as well, but that tends to be less effective and people will likely bitch about it being included, since it feels irrelevant. If you want it to be significant to the character then you should probably make it significant to what the character does.
>>84287266
Rockstar always gets it right
All the characters I write are bi, then everyone is appeased.
>>84287383
Bisexual master race, baby
>>84286856
>Weisman's "secret gays" in Young Justice
Wait... Wut?
This is news to me. Could you elaborate on this for me, please?
John Constantine is a bi manskank, its never really a huge thing though. He seems to prefer to poon usually but his latest significant other was a big hunky dude. The whole story arc was written in a way where if he were drawn female and replace the big shoulders with breasts there would have been no difference at all.
>>84287463
And while pic is indeed related, I should point out it was not Swamp Thing, thats just the only constantine pic i havent posted on /co/ in the last hour.
Gods thats a ship from my nightmares lmao.
>>84284338
As has been said numerous times, write them just as you would any other character. You're not defines by your sexuality, it's a part of you, not all there is to you. If you want to reveal that the character is gay, maybe drop some subtle hints along the way, maybe have a short scene where a female cast member confides in them wondering why he doesn't seem to be like the other guys being all over her in which he puts it simply that he's gay and then move on. Don't make it some huge thing like you want to wear it as a badge of progressiveness. Treat it with the sensitivity you would if it were someone close to you.
>>84286181
>>84284475
Mike and Bryan claimed they "subtly built it up" since season 3, but I don't believe that, for two reasons:
First, one of the story boarders admitted after the finale aired that the hand holding scene was not in the original storyboards that they sent off to the animators (pic related).
Second, if you study Mike and Bryan's writing, there's no such thing as "subtlety" when it comes to their writing, especially regarding romance. They're as blatant with that shit as possible.
>>84286396
It's not varied if you're not actually using it. He will just be the exact same character as before the reveal.
>>84286409
For me, even being straight should matter for the character, that is very true. Hell, something as little as the color of your skin should matter. It's part of who that character is, and it changes the entire perspective of the world. How much that matters can vary, but it should always matter.
Also, i should point out that sexuality won't only impact the story if we're dealing with a romance; you cycle of friends and the places you go will drastically change. Reflecting that in your story is a good way to develop a gay character.
>>84286554
>Imagine a straight guy proclaiming he wants to eat pussy all the time
that actually sounds cool. Also, it doesn't need to be the only trait.
>>84285451
sauce on this, I love it when gays get cucked by straights
>>84286784
>In the 1980's, no one cared about Elton John being gay, because he didn't make the core of his personality and didn't define himself solely by being "gay"
do you know Elton John personally to make that claim?
In a story, we see the intimacy of the characters.
>>84284359
That doesn't fly anymore. If a gay/lesbian character's sexuality isn't a big part of his or her characterization, the author will get called out for making light of gay people's plights. If the character doesn't bring up that they're gay every so often, they'll call Straight-washing.
It's a no-win situation. The bigger question is, why write a character who is gay at all?
>>84286103
People complain about liberals. Gays and brown people make liberals happy, so they get caught in the crossfire.
>>84287778
What fantasy world are you living in anon
>>84287456
Weisman has claimed he writes some characters as gay, but said also in most cases "A character can be gay but we're not allowed to show it." He leaves little hints throughout that make it obvious though and then gives pointedly noncommittal answers to fans asking if the characters in question are gay or not. He does everything he can to confirm it without ever actually confirming it, basically.
It's little details like Impulse being unaffected by Queen Bee, whose powers are seduction based, making for a pretty strong implication.
>>84286059
The problem with Korra wasn't how they handled her bisexuality, it's how they handled her romantic interest in Asami. There was absolutely zero development there besides, "Oh yeah, I wrote you some letters." Not even the Tumblr crowds were shipping it, and they'll ship any pairing (particularly queer ones) that they catch even the slightest whiff of! She was not treated like a straight character. If she was, Korrasami would have seen a fraction of the development Makorra, Asako, Zhurick, or even Boleska had. She was kept in the closet until the very last moment of the show, which makes it look like something the authors just decided to tack on to score some easy points with the LGBT community, rather than a legitimate part of her character.
>>84287456
Weisman always says one or more characters in every one of his shows is hinted to be not straight.
Lexington from Gargoyles is gay. Bart Allen from YJ is gay. And I think Electro from SSM was meant to be gay as well.
>>84287832
But isn't that the point? No matter how well written a non-joke gay character is /co/ will complain about liberals/lgbt pandering
>>84287864
This one, sadly.
>>84287463
It didn't used to be a big deal. Then they made a new comic where it was. Which was only one small part of the many horrible things wrong with it. Really, just fuck everything with John in it after Piffy appeared in Hellblazer. It's all crap.
>>84287868
>It's little details like Impulse being unaffected by Queen Bee, whose powers are seduction based, making for a pretty strong implication.
I see. Thanks. That pretty much went straight over my head.
Where there any other characters that were hinted that way?
>>84287931
Which makes me wonder: if /co/ is gay, supposedly, why does it hate liberals and/or LGBTs so much?
>>84287716
>straights
John fucks lots of stuff. He just especially fucks your waifu.
>>84287868
>It's little details like Impulse being unaffected by Queen Bee, whose powers are seduction based, making for a pretty strong implication.
Which brings us to pic related
>>84287936
>the author will get called out for making light of gay people's plights.
Did you read this on TiA or PPG threads?
>>84287955
He pretty much used Queen Bee as a gaydar. She seduces a female character, Beast Boy's mother, in the YJ comics.
>>84284338
write them as a charachter not an orientation
Thanks to this poster, too.
>>84287912
>And I think Electro from SSM
Err, what were the hints for this one?
>>84287778
>It's a no-win situation. The bigger question is, why write a character who is gay at all?
Because they want Progressive their progressive brownie (OMG racism) points from their trendy liberal friends at cocktail parties. Nevermind that straight readership, and white readership, and the readership of people who don't politics in their comics, and the people who don't like being pandered to, and the people who don't like being patronized, have all left in droves. Shit-tier leftist social engineering is killing comics, just like with TV and movies and it is starting with video games (see: the "Tracer's butt controversy").
>>84287980
He fuckedDeath?
>>84287966
Traps and futa are only good as 2d porn not real people
Husbando threads are women pretending to be gay men
>>84287966
>>84287931
>/co/
/pol/. /pol/ does those things. Like everywhere they go, every surface they see is a toilet for their mental diarrhea.
>>84288017
Not sure if it was Electro, but I remember Weisman mentioning it. Or maybe it was Rhino or Sandman. But it was definitely a villain.
>>84284338
As said by the other anons, write a fleshed out character first. I think the best way to make their sexuality known to the audience is through their feelings for another character, ideally one with just as much development. There's been too many cases where a developed gay character was given a flat love interest. Don't bother trying to state that the person is "insert label here". It risks coming out forced and awkward. Just let their relationships do the talking.
>>84288017Season 3.
>>84288059
You don't have to be a /pol/tard to hate gays/sjws. There's plenty of overlap between /v/ and /co/.
>>84288031
He's too scared of her brother. If he ever hears about Daniel though, it's on.
>>84287994
Thanks. Once again, this slipped me. It makes perfect and obvious sense in hindsight, but never occured to me until now.
>>84288059
I love it how everytime something - anything - happens on /co/, it's suddenly any other board's fault except this one.
>>84288108
>/v/
No, that's /pol/ again. People who should be there, posting anywhere but there, anything but on-topic.
>>84288086
It was. He only confirmed it in an interview though.
>>84288059
This anon, >>84288108, is right. The fag agenda must be fought.
>>84288108
What if I hate SJW but am indifferent to gays?
>>84288165
I hate how every butthole with a pet peeve claims his opinion on it has been shared by the whole board since 1903. Stormfags are a relatively recent phenomenon in the history of both /co/ and 4chan.
>>84288086
Yeah, definitely didn't catch that, but I was just enjoying the show'til it moved to cable; this was before I realized streaming was an "option".
>>84288103
Oh.
>>84288238
Then you should actively report their threads and blogposts on /co/.
>>84284338
I don't have a problem with Korrasami so much as a problem with Bryke thinking it was a good note to end the show, no, -franchise- on.
It's less like a conclusion the entire show was building up to and more like a case of "Hey! Your favorite ship is canon now! That's cool, right?" Like an afterthought after they realized they didn't hadn't built up anything notable to end the finale on.
You either go balls deep into a romantic subplot or don't bother (though with Bryke track record, if they had, I'd probably hate Korrasami instead of being mostly indifferent to it.)
Also, outside of the cutesy and/or lewd fanart, it's almost offensively boring in universe. Asami's less of a witty, sharp pseudo damsel and more of a cardboard doormat waifu and Korra's less of a suave bisexual bedroom dinosaur and more of a giant, awkward prude that probably doesn't even grasp the concept of cunnilingus because she's too busy being a doofy avatar that kind of lucks into succeeding to really dwell too much on sexual matters.
>>84288242
Stormfags may be recent but racism sure fucking isn't.
>>84288365
Non-ironic racism on 4chan was rare until 2012.
>>84288401
You're delusional
>>84288328
Fanon Asami was my favorite character.
A character that's personality was made up by fans years ago and had nothing to do with the actual Asami
>>84287778
I've never heard this happen. What are some examples of people complaining that a gay character's sexuality isn't continually focused when they came out in the middle of a series? Because the closest I've heard is when a character is revealed to be gay at the end or after, like the way LoK ended with what some people felt was a romance that came out of nowhere or how Rowling only revealed Dumbledore was gay after the series ended and never brought it up within the text of the story itself.
>>84288452
I'm experienced. You're a poopy head.
>>84288481
He made it up
>>84288481
I guess that's if you don't count the lengthy recollection of his childhood romance with another man
Being gay is their only trait.
It's impossible.
>>84288534
It wasn't a clear romance though. It could be read that as subtext, made easier when you're told he was gay, but otherwise it seemed no different than a close friendship.
>>84287990
>>84288481
"Straight-acting" has been a thing for decades now, anon. But given this modern trend of wearing custom-tailored sexualities and gender labels that sound like a drunken Greek guy rambling at the police, it's obviously intensified.
>>84288242
>Stormfags are a relatively recent phenomenon in the history of both /co/ and 4chan.
So are nu-liberals in real life.
>>84288573
>"If you kill your enemies, they win."
And if they kill you first?
>>84288620
then you win, obviously
>>84288620
You win.
>>84288599
TiA please go
>>84284338
>>84285813
Undertale did it right. Sure, asshole would say "fucking pandering" but who gives a fuck about their opinions?
Look at the canon romances in Undertale. It's clean, it's funny and it's cute.
>>84288721
It was weebtastic though, so it doesn't count. Japan makes no huge deal about homosexuality in their media, except when they do, then they go all the way over the top.
>>84288828
>It was weebtastic though, so it doesn't count.
How so?
>>84287778
I don't think I've ever actually seen this happen. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I know that more people will praise a developed character with downplayed sexuality than lambast it.
>>84288721
>Undertale
>doing anything right
Is Undertale truly what passes as a good game nowadays?
>>84288873
Yes because it was good
>>84287463
It was a very well done relationship indeed.
Also anybody that gives somebody shit for not knowing he was bisexual is a faggot it wasent revealed until about issue 90 of hellblazer you could easily have read several trades and not know.
I love the way that arc ended a good indication of a return to form for hellblazer I'm optimistic for his rebirth
>>84288862
Japan makes no huge deal about homosexuality in their media, except when they do, then they go all the way over the top. If it's for weebs, it's in the Japanese style. Hence homos in weeb shit are no big whoop.
>>84288873
Yes. Not only simplifies RPG games into something direct, non-grindy and fun to play, as minimalist as it is, but also has a good story with charming characters.
>>84285171
rick and morty need to go to the hellboy universe sometime
>>84288960
that's not an argument, that's a statement.
>>84288873
It was coherently written and wasn't a movie or shovelware. It engages the player in the story using game mechanics, rather than just presenting a grind. Both of those are rare now on their own. Both at once, in an indie game, basically doesn't happen. Someone gave up years of their life to make it happen, and unlike the Fez guy, they remained sane enough for it to all come together. Their next game will probably suck, though.
>>84288937
>Japan makes no huge deal about homosexuality in their media
But this is wrong. Homosexuality in media is a taboo like fanservice. Not accepted by the majority of society but the otaku. BL and Yaoi are created by the fujoshi, not male homosexuals, and yuri is never considered a serious sexual preference and the expectation is to be a "college experimental" type of relationship, as a training for relationships with men.
>>84288902
Do yourself a favor and play Earthbound, Mother 3, Majora's Mask, Chrono Trigger, Ultima, Baldur's Gate, Planescape: Torment. Pretty much any RPG that's over 10 years old, you underage pleb.
>>84288960
>game is good because gameplay is minimal
>>84287500
I'm surprised it's not a more common ship
Maybe tumblr was turned away by the time he helped rape john
>>84289009
>that's a statement.
Well, yeah.A true statement.
>>84284338
It doesn't matter since it's the only facet of their personality anyone will remember so they'll end up thinking it's their only defining trait anyway.
>>84288328
>Asami's less of a witty, sharp pseudo damsel and more of a cardboard doormat waifu and Korra's less of a suave bisexual bedroom dinosaur and more of a giant, awkward prude that probably doesn't even grasp the concept of cunnilingus because she's too busy being a doofy avatar that kind of lucks into succeeding to really dwell too much on sexual matters.
This, I can't really imagine what their dynamic is going to be like in the comics. They're probably going to borrow from fandom again.
>>84289036
>Do yourself a favor and play Earthbound, Mother 3, Majora's Mask, Chrono Trigger, Ultima, Baldur's Gate, Planescape: Torment. Pretty much any RPG that's over 10 years old, you underage pleb.
Not him but none of those comparisons matter. How do any of those games being good change the quality of Undertale?
Also
>Majora's Mask
>an RPG.
>game is good because gameplay is minimal
Minimal and minimalist aren't the same. Undertale is direct. Who the hell enjoys grinding?
Go back to /v/, buddy.
>>84285053
Early Claire from qc they even had some nice effects on her personality with the off to buy a pretty dress its rare to see somebody's sexuality affect a character in a way that's neither pandering or edgy so it was nice
And when I say early Claire I mean stop soon after that scene she turned into jephs mouthpiece
>>84289192
>And when I say early Claire I mean stop soon after that scene she turned into jephs mouthpiece
What scene?
Also early Claire was adorable. Then Jeff ruined her with that nose ring and those ear things. Why?
>>84289027
Bleach was the most mainstream children's cartoon in Japan, and it has "the lesbian" archetype starting from season 1. The taboo isn't about existence or even portrayal, but being open and loud about it and disappointing your parents and society by not getting married. The time for experimentation is middle and high school, not college. And even that has changed a lot in the last 10 years. They have openly gay assemblymen (like senators) that continue to be reelected. Japanese culture is way different. Try to absorb some of it. It's a trip.
>>84289148
>How do any of those games being good change the quality of Undertale?
Play some older games and then realize that Undertale just rips-off stuff from older games, adding only adds a "Diverse" spin for the delicate sensibilities of today's audiences. Play them and then you'll notice how Undertale is actually really, really mediocre and bland except to those with zero background in playing RPGs.
>Who the hell enjoys grinding?
Uh, people that play games for the gameplay?
Really, it's people like you the reason video games are just checkpoint checkpoint cinematic checkpoint.
>>84289232
Jeff apparently likes septum rings and piercings.
I, too, miss when Claire wasFluttershywith a dick.
>>84284338
See Omar from the wire
>>84287950
If that's the issue I think it is that's about the contrast with the time swamp thing pulled the same thing on him
>>84289294
>X with a dick
A sorely neglected archetype.
>>84289036
I'm 24. Fuck off /v/ermin
>>84289517
What the fuck are you talking about? Swamp Thing body snatches him. He didn't mind rape him.
>>84289262
>Uh, people that play games for the gameplay?
Those people wouldn't be playing RPGs. Those are story games.
You think the Mother series is so popular because the gameplay? It's an experience because of the story, setting and characters. Like most RPGs. And Undertale is heavily inspired by that.
Repetitive play is boring.
>>84289262
>Uh, people that play games for the gameplay?
The way you say it sounds so fucking gay for some reason.
So OP, here's your answer about how to write a gay character.
Reminder that /v/ loved undertale before it gained a tumblrtard reputation
>>84289778
Same with Skyward Sword. I was there.
>>84289578
We must be thinking of a difrent issue then.
I'm talking about the time that lesbian used him to get pregnant
>>84289846
That was an unrelated lesbian encounter. And the post was about the shitty new comic where people can't curse or die or fuck.
>>84290078
The censored sweering was pretty stupid
I remember a post from the storytime it went something like
Black magic, nudity and Satan are all ok but sweering isent.
I dident notice much difrent from standard hellblazer otherwise the ending sure as hell was a classic
>>84289828
>anyone liking Skyward Sword
Parts of it were fun, but as a whole it wasn't a very fun game.
>>84290938
Hm can't seem to find the thread it was the last issue of his dcyou series
>>84291055
It's funny though of the 107 issues of the original hellblazer I have read I think 13 was the worst while 13 of his dcyou was gold
>>84291121
Ah found it
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/83687732/#83688148
>>84291121
>>84290938
The new one has no stakes. Demons are safe to have casual sex with. Magic can solve almost everything, and failure is merely a disappointment. John can barely get his feelings hurt for more than a page long, much less risk his soul or his life. If you don't see the difference, you didn't read Hellblazer remotely sober, or you're retarded.
>>84291648
Ok yeah I can sort of see what you mean
>>84291821
Still it was at least better then his nu52 stuff
>>84291862
It's gotta be better than Milligan's run to not be dog shit, and it's not, so it is.
>>84286053
>>84286164
>these literal background characters with no depth or presence beyond one appearance are good representation!
Jeff's moms are fine but goddamn, they just appeared in a couple of episodes, and Sumo's dad has more of a presence than they do. Tony is also literally Word of God like Korrasami.
They're part of the problem since they're just there to exist. At the very least Jeff's moms are a step up (and since its a kids show focusing on the kids, its more than enough) but they shouldn't be the president.
And even then people still complained.
>>84290996
>but as a whole it wasn't a very fun game.
I've written entire walls of text telling people like you why you are wrong but I'm tired as shit so I'm going to ignore you starting now.
>>84288573
Not if you don't give two shits
>>84284338
Build the world and grow characters from it. The world is an extension of the character.
Sticking a character in a setting that paints them as victims or gives them a persecution complex about some attribute that ISN'T what makes them awesome or better-than-average just makes them pitiful propaganda pieces.
Sexuality is one of those things. If you're going to make an openly gay character, you'd better design the world not to care. It's a background detail that readers might pick up from some subtle interactions here and there, but it's not the focus of the character - so treat it that way.
For some people, the mere fact a character is gay will make being gay their only defining trait.
See: Captain Underpants. They saw their future selves, one was gay married, no one went on a big spiel about how awesome it was they were gay, it was just matter-of-fact, then they went back in time. And yet people lost their shit, because people
a) are retarded
and
b) can't conceive of homosexuality without envisioning men buttfucking each other right in the pussy, even though we depict chaste straight romances and generally acknowledge straightness all the time.
Nothing will satisfy some people.
>>84291949
People are complaining about Mike's moms in Ms. Marvel right now, too, because the book offhandedly mentions a gay couple that (as far as I've read) hasn't even appeared on the page.
There is no pleasing people with openly gay characters. Granted, there are plenty of poorly written LGBT folks, but there's a core component of fandom that is reactionary and considers any LGBT character to be propaganda. The only "good" ones' sexuality never, ever comes up, they're essentially sterile.
>>84288481
>only revealed Dumbledore was gay after the series ended and never brought it up within the text of the story itself
Reminder that Death of the Author dictates that in such a case it isn't necessarily canon. She's kind of notorious for saying stupid shit just to keep HP relevant.
>>84285237
why would that ruin him?
Kinda feel like the only real point of Kajika in Kabaneri was to imply Mumei was gay or bi.
There's certainly more sexual tension between them than between her and Ikoma, with whom she has a very sibling like relationship as the series goes along.
>>84293259
But that's not how the world works IRL, there's still places where being gay automatically comes with death threats.
There's people who will /pol/ all over someone for being gay.
And then there's the (somehow worse) people who will make a point of "being tolerant", as though that's such a sacrifice for them that they have to constantly mention it to anyone listening.
There's obnoxiously overly supportive people who try to push gay folks into behaving as they would expect.
There's friends who will say it's no big deal and then never speak to them again.
And those are just the negative weird ways that people can behave in response to that one little thing. There's positive weird reactions too.
How people relate to you is a huge part of your life. Is it also treating homosexuality improperly for a writer to ignore that these reactions can ever happen? Isn't that the same thing as ignoring that the character's gay?
>>84293354
When else has she done it.
Although wasent that done more to explain why he dropped the ball so hard in the first book
>>84293328
>There is no pleasing people with openly gay characters.
Pretty much.
Still that shouldent be used as an excuse not try try making good characters
>>84293582
No, shut up, "muh comfiness, muh escapism."
Either you make them nonexistant or write it so the world reacts exactly as how I want it to. No exceptions.
(Though to be fair, it would be nice to have gay characters be in a fantastical setting where they can just be gay and not have it become a shpiel about acceptance for the straights. So I get what the anon is saying but even then its impossible to write a world where people won't care about certain attractions. Even straits in fiction have their worlds note how positive and good their love stories can be without getting into possible gritty details. I dunno.)
>>84293678
>(Though to be fair, it would be nice to have gay characters be in a fantastical setting where they can just be gay and not have it become a shpiel about acceptance for the straights.
Ancient Greece?
You don't. Gay people (even if its just subconscious) will latch onto it and obsess about it until it becomes the only trait. Gay-haters (even if its just subconscious) will latch onto it and obsess about it until it becomes the only trait.
The only solution is to make so many gay characters that people are bored of them and then you are allowed to recognize traits beyond "gay".
This sounds like hyperbole but I'm being quite honest.
>>84293965
So like the L-Word, or Queer as Folk?
>>84293965
It's also called the Gatchaman CROWDS approach.
>>84293991
Yes, just not shitty.
>>84287931
Who gives a fuck what /co/ thinks?
>>84293775
She can't shut the fuck up about Rose for 10 seconds.
>>84286059
You do realise that the last scene of a show is a pretty big deal right? Think about how unimportant Makorra was for the majority of people, it was bad and people hated it, but it was nowhere near the level of Korrasami. The reason for this is that it was a small footnote in the finale and more important scenes were put after it.
