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Post you favorite costumes. I fucking hate movie synergy.
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Post you favorite costumes.

I fucking hate movie synergy.
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Except Colossus. The fuck is with those shoulders.
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>>84250883
He sorta looks like a Nazi.
I's he supposed to look like a Nazi?
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>>84250883
Synergy is suffering OP

>>84250914
it's inspired by german unifroms from ww1
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>>84250914
>he can't tell WW1 germans from pseudo-WW2 modern Wolfenstein pop culture nazis
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>>84250969
I'm sorry I'm not a historian or /k/ regular.
Please forgive me for not knowing the subtle nuances of the various military uniforms worn by solders 80+ years ago from a country I've neither visited nor care about in any significant way.
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>>84250996
I think it's past your bedtime.
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>>84250883
movie costume is still better than the marvel now horrendous spacesuit
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>>84251057
I love the costume, but it came at such a terrible cost.
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>>84251057
>>84252410
this one (and the slightly different Moonstone costume) is better than both
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>>84252410
Depends on the artist brah.

Some still make her a titty monster and have her costume wedge up her ass.
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>>84252277
>filename
surely you be jesting
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>>84250883
what if they made the mask more like this in the sequel and we got it combined with the red trenchcoat?
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>>84252452
Truly horror.
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>>84251057
One of her worst costumes.

At least help me with my fetish of musclegirls butch dykes with flat chest.

It only would be better if she was also futa.
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>>84250883
But they are clearly going to get to something similar in the movies, too. Hell, Quill drops the trenchcoat by 3rd act.
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>>84252533
>It only would be better if she was also futa.

She's slowly turning into a physical copy of Mar-Vell, so you might get your wish.
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meme image aside, this is my favorite Captain America costume ever
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>>84250969
>>84250962
to be fair, it's a Kree uniform

they're the original Space Nazis, so he's technically correct
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>>84250883
Dude you should thank the fucking movie synergy! Before the movie brought back the faceplate he was running around in... Ugh, image related.

Whoever made the movie costume liked the original more, but was trying to get away from the Nazi vibe(philistines), and while its no where near as good as the OP its still a hell of a lot better than the shit we got from McNivens and Bendis.
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>>84252533
you like butch/ dyke characters with flat chests and dicks?
thats a man, you've just described a man
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>>84252698
I found the low test beta.
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>>84250914
>everyone in a military uniform is a Nazi
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>>84252664
ah yes McNiven and his famous "worked on the development art for the GotG movie" claim

poor dumb bastard
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I get a lot of shit on here because of this.

>>84251057
It's hotter than her old one 2bh

>>84252277
Literally Dick Grayson's costume with webs in red
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>>84252772
>everyone in a uniform is military
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>>84251057
Truly best when drawn by right artist.
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>>84251057
>>84252827
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>>84250883
I'd kind of like to see movie Star Lord get a compromise between this/his DnA Guardians outfit and his movie outfit.
Like, a more tailcoat styled version of his DnA one (or somehow incorporating the longcoat over the uniform) with the movie mask on the helmet?
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>>84252800
I didn't care for that book but I love the costume. Best color scheme he's ever had
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>>84252827
Tits arenito big.

Not enough muscles.
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>>84252854
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>>84251062
Don't be such a faggot.
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>>84252881
Tits are too big*
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>>84250883
>Helmeted Soldier
Rip in piece best costume.
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>>84252534
Not even by third act he wears it for like 5 minutes. Sometimes I think you guys didn't even watch the movie. I see a lot of people talking about blue uniforms at the end when it's just another pallete swap for Rocket and Nova pants for Drax.

Quill at least is still wearing red for part of the sequel.
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>>84252887
Man, that looks great.
I get why it didn't fit the vibe they were going for, but I'd like to see it show up in a later movie.
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>>84252434
Literally his worst costume. Even the silly GL costume with the weird visor was better. His first ION costume was the best.
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>>84253030
same
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>>84253030
>>84253083
someday anons
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>>84253111
someday
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>>84252789
McNiven is basically Perlmutter's bitch, his design of the Inhuman costumes are proof of this.
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>>84253081
Nigga you're blind
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few pics
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>>84253186
Why is Quill wearing armor?
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>>84253195
The new undershirt seems patterned after the uniform look. Still a noticeable lack of blue however. I wonder what Gunn's reasoning is. Is red easier to film against a blue screen or something?
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>>84252533
Have you tried being straight?
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>>84252434
Is he in Tron?
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>>84250895
Colossus is fine, it's Xavier that looks fuckin weird
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>>84253374
His gold chair is balling.
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>>84253393
>gold
Only in cartoon.
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>>84253120
Shit, man, the two on the right look as cool as FUCK. I'm mad, man.
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>>84253404
Explain to me how the chair in this >>84250895 pic isn't gold.
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>>84253414
Concept art always looks cooler cause it's not bound by the confines of reality

No reason to be mad
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>>84253270
>not wanting to be pegged in the ass by Carol's dick.

I love that artists are drawing her flat to boot.

Fuck you haters, she never looked better.
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>>84253453
I disagree.
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>>84253225

>I wonder what Gunn's reasoning is

He doesn't care that much for the source material and just wants to make his own version of existing material for money. Literally every comic movie director ever.
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>>84250883
I love the Guardians movie to the death but it really makes me what it did to the comics
Star-Lord should've looked like this at the end, they did give all the Guardians blue uniforms, but the mask is just... no
>>84251057
Great, I'm not the only one who likes this costume
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>>84252866
isn't it basically the same color scheme as the proto armor?
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>>84252800
My issue with this costume is the fact that his nose stops existing when he wears the face plate.
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>>84253529
Isn't he the fan of old Guardians? Hence Yondu suddenly having a pretty big role in the movie.
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>>84253529
Yeah, nah, I ain't even gonna dignify that with a proper response. Your understanding of the source material is severely lacking.
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>>84253528
Gay.

I like muscles not hair.
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>>84252555
>graffiti

Really?
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>>84253606
The Old Guardians are his since that's what he grew up with but he likes the new team as well. The movie kind blends the two eras without getting into time travel.
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>>84253606

I wasn't shitting on him or being a neckbeard, that's just what they do. They're movie guys, almost none of them were comic fans growing up, so why the fuck would they care about being completely accurate? They make whatever changes they like better.
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>>84253671
But he was and it shows. You just have yet to read anything beyond DnA cause of movie hype. Read some old Cosmic Marvel and then get back to me.
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>>84253670
Meant for >>84253594
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>>84253661
It's a shoop.
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>>84253719

Never read DnA, whatever that is. Just pointing out that directors change shit whenver they feel like it.
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>>84253594

Why was Yondu a space redneck then? Lot of shit was way different.
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I personally prefer the 2008 design
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>>84253661
THAT'S the word that makes you question this?
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>>84253414
Concept art always makes me mad, but sometimes glad
>Those Sony Rhino designs
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>>84253225
At least in the case of the first film, it's all about color balance. The villains were all purple and dark blue, Gamora and Drax were green, Rocket was orange and root was brown. Add in the Nova corps being blue and yellow, and red was basically the only color he could be if he was going to stand out visually to the audience.
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>>84254000
>Sexy lips Ultron
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>>84254043
For such an advance robot I'm surprised he still has DSL
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>>84254212
you son of a bitch
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>>84251057
Ms. Marvel's costumes are pretty good in general.

>>84253111
I miss hoodie gamora. infinity watch had the best one.
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>>84252887
I'm getting Desert Ranger vibes from second-from-left.
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>>84253746
You my man.

>>84253591
...I never actually noticed that.
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Both of them look so fucking baller.
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>>84254362
Real shame what they did to it.
And for nothing.
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>>84254212
damn you carlos
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>>84253393
Yeah but whats with the undershirt and tie?

Put a proper suit on, Charles.
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>>84254441
What did they do? I stopped reading Ultimate after Peter died. She died along with the universe right?
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>>84254560
They gave her a shitty black widow redesign.
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>>84254560
Yeah but not before giving her shitastic new costume.
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>>84252555
>Pedophiles
>Except Priests
Cap being Catholic makes that hilarious to me.
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Ya can't beat it
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>>84252664
I never read GotG or even saw the movie but this design still pisses me off.

He looks like one of those fake videogame characters you used to see on the boxes for video cards.
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>>84254335
"Forgive Me Mama" Just needs to be added.
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>>84254670
No I'm sorry, I like Black Manta but whenever I see that giant oval helment on his skinny neck I die a little
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>>84254726
Then die some more faggot
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>>84254607
>>84254615
Don't tell me that thing in the leather jacket is her. It can't be.
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>>84254785
Just make the helment smaller is all I ask
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>>84254806
Which one?
If you mean the one with the crappy glasses and yoga pants, no that's 616 Jessica.
THIS is what the turned Ultimate Jess into.
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I mean really
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>>84254827
Big oval or bust
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Even this is an improvement, because he doesnt look like a bobble head
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>>84254870
walking funko pop toy
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For once the chosen design was the best out of the concept art
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>>84252664
that's not a bad costume it just doesn't fit his character. I think it looks good just never ever on peter.
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>>84254900
Damn that was low
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>>84254846
This is the one I was referring to. What in the name of the Lord were they thinking?
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>>84254900
>tfw even his pop is fucking sick
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>>84255021
>bulbous red eyes instead of red lenses
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>>84253225
>Is red easier to film against a blue screen or something
Yes, that's actually why only green and blue are used. They're polar opposites to reds and yellows, which are normally where skin tones land when filmed. That way you keep the chroma key from bleeding into the actor you're actually filming.
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I think all of Moon Knight's costumes are great but I'm a sucker for long cloaks
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>>84252827
man carol looks like shit with the long hair. im glad they gave her the butch cut.
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Just please, no more feminist bullshit.
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>>84254726
I kinda agree, but YJ's design is not the way to go.
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>>84255506
People really hate this design for Mockinbird, but I love it. I think it's the best balance superhero and secret agent.
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Fuck the scales, give me skulls.
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>>84255563
Where does she keep getting tiny skulls?
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>>84250883
>>84250962
Movie synergy and SJW comics are cancer.
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>>84255577
they're smurfs anon, she kills smurfs.
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>>84255647
Agreed. I hated the synergy so much until the social justice comics came along and made the movie versions more like the classic characters than the current comic versions.

Being a Marvel is suffering.
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>>84255577
From gnomes that lived in Black Tom's castle.
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>>84255506
>>84255557
the M belt buckle is pretty dumb but that short cape/hood/cloak thing is dope
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>>84253863
>Never read DnA
>I'll continue to shitpost without reading the source material
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>>84253901
I mean, nobody would like Yondu if they made him exactly like his source material. A Bow Wielding Xeno
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>>84252887
Literally all of those look better than the final product.

Please God, let them revisit these designs for the second one. My dick cannot be harder.
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>>84255762
I still miss him man. And while the Scarlet Spider outfit is a product of its time I still love it.
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>>84254322
>Not even the original design
>All those little bolts and lines

REE
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>>84255868
I love that one too but the new Spider-Man game has me missing that big-ass black spider.

I had a doll in the 90s where you could swap his costumes. Scarlet Spider has always stuck with me since then.
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>>84250883
>I fucking hate movie synergy.

But anon, what if they introduce that costume in GotG Vol. 2 and justify it by making it more practical in-story than the red longcoat (e.g. since it's a modified Kree uniform, it has additional body armor that the Guardians need in the final act)?
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>>84252434
Kyle goes /fa/.

Tbf, Kyle's had some great costumes through the years.
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>>84255913
That one's not too bad but damn, its really the MCU design but with some added white flair here and there. I hope that game has plenty of swappable costumes.

Now THIS was a great Spider suit. Shame its basically nonexistent now
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>>84256040
Eh, I never liked Iron Spider. It just felt off, and the fact that Tony only bothered to make 3 legs for it. I know it could lead to the joke that his dick is the extra limb.
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>>84252482
This would really work as an Ion costume, but I guess that's kinda the point.

>>84252664
I actually really like this costume, but then again I get a stylised Mass Effect vibe off it. Admittedly, as someone else pointed out, it's just not Star Lord though.

>>84254431
>>84254322
>>84254615
Why are black minimalist costumes with splash of colour so GOAT?
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I always loved the simplicity of her costume design, and dissaponted they didn't keep it for ANAD marvel.
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>>84256193
My pet peeve with this costume (and many other Spiders, too) is that it doesn't have a spider emblem. Yeah, I know. It's stupid, but I like my superheroes and superheroines with insignia on their chests.
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>"Yo Wesley, need a costume? I know this great tailor."
>"Nah mang, Imma just throw this purple blanket over my shoulders and call it a day"
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Captain Britain was always cursed with some pretty atrocious costumes, but that changed in the mid 00s, and I'm a big fan of both these efforts.
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>>84253822
Damn, why did they have to change it into this hooded abomination?
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>>84256335
What will happen to him now after BRexit? Will he be forced to change the colors when Scotland leaves the UK for the EU?
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>>84256373
Other way around.
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>>84256381
Scotland will leave nothing and you know it.
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>>84256258
Mystery Theater had him wearing a Trench coat which I think looks cooler.

And didn't he wear a more generic superhero outfit later on anyway?
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my dick's favorite
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>>84256412
yeah he got a purple and yellow costume at some point

and a sidekick
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I know this is fan art but this feels like something she would wear.
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>>84256381
>>84256396

For all the atrocities that happen in 616 universe, Brexit is not one of them. In that reality the good people of Britain were not so masochistic and additionally, the Prime Minister is not as much of a moron to bet the future of his country on Political Gamesmanship.
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Lord Superman was an evil dictator, but he really knew how to dress
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>>84254726
>>84254827
GOAT Black Manta armour, imo. I always hated the original design, with the skinny neck and giant lampshade with huge, squinty eyes. The cables are awful, too. It all makes him look scrawny and belies what his actual personality is like.
The extra body armour of the YJ design is also a nice parallel to Aquaman's sleek, natural looking outfit. His bulk makes him seem more like a commander.
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>>84250883
I actually really like his MCU look, it's just that nothing will ever be half as good as the costume in your pic. Fuck I hope they give him a helmet at least eventually.
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>>84256456
huhngghue

is that

is that her regular costume
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>>84256543
On the subject of evil Supermen, I really dig Brutaal's look.
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>>84256412
The trenchcoat look is a lot easier to take seriously, but the purple throw blanket look is just so silly and lazy you can't help but love it
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>>84256543
>white and black to represent his new black and white morality
>red to represent heat vision lobotomies

Like pottery
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>>84256543
Its such a shame he's "evil" cause this is one of his best costumes, by far.
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>>84256246
This fan compromise is good. If she ever goes back to Avengers-level from street-level it would work great.
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>>84256565
>the cables are awful too

Can you even be even more of a faggot?
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>>84256396
Scotland just barely stayed in at the indyref. They'll go on and join a bloc with Scandinavia if they have to. Ireland too; it's not like the EU is even the only trade bloc in Europe. And that's Ireland, not the Republic and Northern Ireland - if Brexit happens you're looking at reunification. The current legal status of Ireland is that all Irish citizens are also British citizens - but that also means the 1.4 million people in the north can apply for Irish citizenship. From the sound of things, most of them already are.

And Wales? Wales was dependent on spending from the EU that it's now clear the Brexit Club didn't want to raise in taxes in the first place. So the choice for the first five years will be one of the following: pensions, regional development, or the NHS. Then it'll be a choice between whichever two of those survive that first period (hint: it's not the NHS), with pensions probably going first (because poor people are idiots and most of the pensioners who voted for this will be dead by then anyway). Then the regional development funds go and you're stuck with England ruled by NuBarons whose power is being formalised by the introduction of regional assemblies (because power to the people and all that) and devolution of taxation and budgetary power over all services in their regions. Except the way taxation works is the poorest regions will simply lose most of their services overnight and become burdens on the rest, which are already underfunded. I mean ffs they've already closed half the A&E departments, cut the flood defence spending, these are non-trivial cuts that have had very real and far more expensive impacts. But nobody seems to care.

And on top of that they're cutting corporation tax - but just to stand still on the money we already owe after 6 years of Osborne, that means VAT is going up (to probably 35%), because it's already 1/3 of the tax take. And the services will still be cut until nothing remains.

You've been had.
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>>84256495
Yeah, but that was when Kirby got a hold on Sandman. Shit's pretty dope. He fights Thor
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>>84256763
Post costumes you fag
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>>84256786
can't you see the emperor's new clothes? anon asked for them and i delivered
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>>84256763
I'm not even british, anon. But Scotland is screaming that they are leaving UK every couple years. And than they stay.
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>>84256780
nah, Kirby's Sandman was a different character, not Wesley Dodds

Dodd's yellow/purple outfit was from the golden age I'm pretty sure
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I don't know why, but I really like the white spider.
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>over 170 posts
>no one posted this absolute masterpiece of fashion
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>>84256820
Kirby did both. He added Sandy and changed up the costume around the same time he was still doing work for Action and Detective comics. Then he redid Sandman years later after he had his falling out with Marvel
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>>84256685
This is way better than both.
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>shitpost for years how this would be a great different Flash Wally costume
>Rebirth happens
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>>84256589
she dropped it after a few issues, and got most of her hair cut off after that, all the way left
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RIP Perfect costume

>>84256335

holy shit did his first costume with the lion on the chest suck
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>>84256970
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Future Foundation Spidey is amazing
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>>84256970
Her character design isn't actually that bad, too bad she's a shitty OC.
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>>84257090
have you read her solo? or just spider-verse?
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>>84256997
His new design is fucking disgusting. It's so over-designed it's painful.
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>>84256898
You're right, my bad
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I've always had a thing for the clunkier, early Iron Man iterations, especially the Mark I from the MCU

TRANSISTORS
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>>84257115
I heard she's a SHIELD agent now, so I assume she's being fixed and turned into a legit character, instead of another minority version of Spider-man who is also a Mary Sue with better powers.
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I liked the first suit best, but the new one is a nice mixture of his two other suits that takes all the bad away from what made them dumb as shit to look at.
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>>84256865
it would look so much better if the legs didnt bleed onto the blue, and just stopped at the edge of the red.

Like a slightly sprawled out symbiote logo on the chest.
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>>84255960
If I remember correctly the suit the Kree made for him was made more for stealth, since they were infiltrating the Phalanx at the time. I don't know if it was ever stated how protective it actually was.
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>>84256885
Aw Greg Land, before his porn tracing days. I think he just traced other people's stuff for certain poses.
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>>84257216
nah, its all good dude. To be fair, Kirby's Sandman is really bizarre in its own right. Not too often somebody just revamps a character so drastically in an ongoing magazine. Let alone in the Golden Age. And the new Sandman really has nothing to do with the previous one at all, spare the namesake. I really dig Kirby's Golden Age work as it is clearly a level of quality above what you'd expect even back then, but it is still really really weird
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>>84255506
but that is feminist bullshit
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>>84256335
>>84256997

as an english person, me and everyone I know loves the old lion costumes and hates the new ones.
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>>84254877
Now this, this is honestly a pretty great compromise
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>>84257971
How?
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>>84258131
>how is this feminist bullshit?
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>>84258190
He's talking about just the costume.
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>>84258190
Anon, he clearly meant he liked the costume itself, but not the feminist bullshit of that issue.
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>>84258190
This has nothing to do with a costume though?
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>>84258190
The costume you mong
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>>84255647
>>84250883
>>84250962
>>84252664


Hasn't movie/media synergy been a part of comics since the beginning? Aren't there so many things you consider classic now that back then were a result of taking from outside adaptations.
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>>84258190
Cute. What comic is it from?
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and the one she wore in Claws
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>>84258190
Holy fuck.
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>>84258370
Mockingbird #3
It went from being a decent, if sometimes really weird, comic to weird feminist message for one issue
Suddenly shit about periods and tampons.None of it made sense. The writer just flipped out for a little and ranted about gender issues while a mutant girl murdered dudes.
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>>84258331
Yes, but now that cape movies are popular, there's too much.

Stuff like bringing in Harley Quinn and Montoya from the Batman cartoon made sense, because they were actually interesting additions to the mythos.

But now every detail has to be just like the movies in a silly attempt to draw in people who watched the movies even though that never fucking happens, and it becomes an actual detriment to the source material.
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Yellow suit DD was a different approach to a dude whose suit should've flat out been red from the get go. But I dig it!
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>>84256594
>take any superhero costume
>make it red and black

For some reason, this combination is really hard to fuck up.
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Best Iron Man suit design. I want it in Infinity War.
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>>84258331
/co/ overreacts. One guy claimed that Steve coming back from the dead was movie synergy.
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>>84257242
MCU design was god tier
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>>84258190
Who would ever idolize Namor? He's a mopey self-centered cunt who only ever comes up to the surface to steal white women and drown niggers.
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>>84258544

Just out of curiousity, can you name some of the detrimental synergy? And possibly things you wouldn't mind being carried over?

Because things like Perry White (now essential to Superman) started off as media synergy with radio shows. What's to say carrying some of those elements over for other characters won't have the same effect?

I do agree that tampering with continuity over minor details is stupid, but I don't see anything wrong in bringing carrying over something like AI Jarvis or drone Redwing over into the books.
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>>84258908
>Who would ever idolize Namor?
Well he is a war hero
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>>84258944
That's not really the point, anyways. I liked Star-Lord's costume a lot, and I dislike how it was changed to be like the one in the movie.
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>>84258560
Earth x was garbage but had easily the best DD costume
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>>84258944
Best kitty pryde costume coming through
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>>84258896
Does Panther have any variants?? I want to like the character but his costume is so bland and batman-y
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>>84258972
I don't like his movie costume either, but the one he was running around in before the movie was way worsr
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>>84258972

It kind of is. You said you hated movie synergy, and I asked why (and it what ways) since media synergy has been a part of comics since the beginning.
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>>84259017
As far as I know there's the basic black one, the one with the cape, and the tacticool one with the vest and pouches
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>>84258949

Marvel doesn't value their golden age characters enough
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>>84258560
I hate yellow costumes
I hate yellow as a primary colour for damn near anything. It goes straight to the part of my brain that tells me something is ugly. The only way it works is on a sun dress, flowers or a Simpsons character.
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>>84258486
Familio we both know that what best suits Felicia is her Spider's shirt.
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I liked the mullet
>>84259069
>Namor the scapegoat gets beheaded
>That one Captain America cover with him in the place of Hitler and getting punched by Falcap
suffering
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>>84258949
>Cap
>Bucky
>First Vision
>Namor
>First Black Widow
>First Human Torch
>Toro

Who are the others?
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>>84259108
this is my favorite image of black cat. i really liked that era of spider-man in general
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>>84259160
>Blazing Skull
>The Destroyer (with the skull on his chest)
Not sure about the last two
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Fight me
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>>84259108
>>84259170
>buckteeth
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>>84259170
I wish Pete and Felecia would become a permanent thing already, he has way better chemistry with her than MJ
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>>84256812
Aren't you cheeky.

Now post cape costumes.

>Rocket will NEVER look like a cute but deadly Ranger Rick now

Movie synergy is cancer.
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>>84259252
cute shit bro
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I know it's not very faithful to the comics version, but goddamn is this a sweet superhero costume
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Fuck you I liked it
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Hawkman has an awesome costume. I don't have any of Katar in his flying Judge Dress uniform though, I would post it after because they're both as good at conveying badassery. For some reason it takes my tablet half hourto realise I saved something so even if I Google it why bother right now?
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>>84259341
I like it better than the arkham asylum one. That one was too edgy for me.
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>>84259351
Dredd
Dredd
Dredd
Dredd
Fuck RETARDOCORRECT you should have that in your fucking vocabulary by now
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>>84250895

Colossus is fine.

Jean, Gambit, Cyclops & Storm look terrible though
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>>84259400

If anything the Knight one is much edgier.
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>>84250962
>>84250914
>>84250969
France you lackwits, and they're clearly building into it.
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Say what you will about the game, but I like this design.
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>>84259400
I still like the Asylum one, was great character wise
>Crane was malnurished and dirty because he spent almost all of his time obsessing over his research and formula
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>>84259259
This. She's an infinitely better waifu than MJ.

>Stays loyal to him even when he's married
>Respects his wife and family
>Literally flies over from the other side of the country to help him out
>Would do the crime he has to do instead of him because she knows he's too good to respect himself afterwards

She was literally too good for Peter pre-OMD
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Always liked the Nova Corps
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>>84259438
>straps and pouches
oh geez
Costumes fine, but I can't stand that helment
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>>84258896
It needs paws
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>>84250883
After all this years there's still not even one caped character with better costume than this.

How in the fuck?
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>>84258949
Any help on the source of that image? I love WWII era Marvel/Timely heroes, especially this fucker.
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>>84259438
It also works well as a prototype Beyond suit
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>>84259616
>He hasnt read Marvels
You're in for a treat
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>>84259498
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF_8GSI5OHY

IT'S ON NOW
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>>84259131
>>That one Captain America cover with him in the place of Hitler and getting punched by Falcap

I was surprised Alex Ross did that cover
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