Was this the worst fucking part of the comic?
Name a worse scene than this.
>>84206920
these dad scene
>>84206920
The last part of Homestuck was weird. It felt like it wasn't canon, as if it was some kind of non-official fanfiction. It doesn't help that it was almost entirely outsourced.
Official merchandising trying to sell that Vriska is part of the Meteor Crew, or that Davekat is the most important ship in the comic, doesn't feel genuine at all.
>>84207009
Hussie was killed and replaced by an body snatcher-esqe alien 5 months ago.
>>84207022
More like when act 6 started.
>When your character gets ruined so hard that you don't even know what you're looking at anymore.
>>84207027
Maybe that's when the alien started taking effect, he's still himself just slowly being corrupted and killed.
>>84207027
there were cool parts in act 6
they were just...misguided
>>84207063
It wasn't all bad, but the downward spiral really started with the introduction of Boring Girl John, Boring John, Sociopath Dave and... Roxy.
>>84207094
Boring Girl John, Yaoi Fuckboi John, Sociopath Dave, and Party McBroad.
>>84207009
Wow this is so true.
>>84207009
>It doesn't help that it was almost entirely outsourced.
I was really hoping that Act 7 would be mostly Hussie's work
sadly I was wrong
>>84207000
It was really odd.
Wait, wait, I think I get why Roxy is called the Rogue of Void now. No, wait, I lost it.
>>84207164
honestly only jane and dirk's classpect makes sense to me
dirk is clearly a prince and jane is clearly a maid...but jake and roxy's seems strange
>>84207201
Even Jake's makes sense. Roxy's one is just baffling.
>>84206920
>Name a worse scene than this.
vriska_cures_roses_alcoholism.jpg
>>84207233
fuck Vriskagram
Will davekat be canon in CANWC?
>>84207233
Really it was probably more Kanaya. The dumb part is that without Vriska there it takes her a whole year to realize Rose's drinking is a problem.
>>84207289
I like the alpha kids and I think they deserved to be treated like protagonists. Roxy being the only one treated as such makes it even worse.
>>84207164
you gotta be kidding. alcohol = void and she 'steals herself' out of it for allies. she sneaks around in the dark giving carapaces pumpkins. the alpha session itself is literally a story of something being taken from irrelevance to help others. shes the rogue of void in multiple ways before her powers manifest at all.
>>84206920
>consuming media by an author who literally told you he enjoys causing distress for his fanbase
The only thing's to blame for your suffering is your own stupidity.
>>84207312
I know the later points. But the first ones....... >alcohol = void and she 'steals herself' out of it for allies.
What?????????
I don't really see her personally/metanarrative being the Rogue of Void. Doesn't match up, I don't think.
>>84207343
if you cant see how alcohol ties into the concept of void i dunno how to argue with you. its not exactly a tenuous link.
>>84207352
I do, I mean kind of, but it still seems iffy and she gets over that relatively easily.
>>84207364
well if the role of a rogue of void is to take things from [the void] for the sake of others, getting over alcoholism for ones friends seems like a natural part of that. even if it was a little easy for her.
>>84207392
I thought the original meaning of Rogue was one who steals from people to give to others.
>>84207401
its repeatedly made clear that roxy steals from the void itself, rather than from others. thats why she has the kind of fucking broken make-anything-appear powers, shes subtracting the negative
>>84207418
So did they retroactively change Rogue or is Roxy a special snowflake? How does this tie into personal/narrative stuff?
>>84207444
rogue wasnt even a thing before roxy, shes the only rogue we know anything about, what do you mean 'retroactively change'
>>84207470
Nepeta was the Rogue of Heart.
>>84207479
i was aware of that when i typed my post. we didnt learn a single thing about nepetas role or classpect until fucking davepeta.
I think Hussie missed the obvious chance to contrast Vriska with Roxy, who are by their classpects literal opposites
>>84207504
But there were theories developed around her. Nepeta's Rogue doesn't really much up with Roxy's Rogue I don't think.
>>84207548
literally any theory about nepetas classpect is fanon. roxys got tons of canon stuff relating to hers. if theres contradictions its obviously the fanon which is wrong jesus christ.
>>84207573
OK, but with Roxy's new information, can you connect that to Nepeta?
homestuck is like star wars
Acts 1-5 is the original trilogy obv
mid act 6 is like the prequels. yeah it starts to get shitty and convoluted but they still have the charm and soul of george Lucas
The shots are filled to the brim with so much shit it was fun to relook at and see what stuff is hidden away
late act 6 when hussie started outsourcing felt like episode 7
It may look better at points, but a lot of the soul is gone. The scenes are sterile and clean with little to speculate or really look at.
Both are kinda bad, but at least the former was FUN
which was made most of act 6 still enjoyable for me, even if it was a clusterfuck.
>>84207607
Except the prequels are hot garbage and episode 7 is just kind of eeeehhhh
Everyone here says Hivebent is whet the comic went wrong, but if you look past the trolls being bisexual sluts the character drama in it is pretty great. Act 5 Vriska is UNIRONICALLY my favorite in fiction
Act 6 fuckkng ruined her though. She should NEVER be more of a help than a dangerous liability
>>84207638
Plenty of people here like Act 5, but Hivebent is undeniably a huge slog
>last thread deleted
>archives down
This is true hell. Just move to /trash/ already.
>>84207673
>post pic of ara
>go to bed hoping to see more ara pics
>wake up
>thread deleted
Nooooooooooooo
so what was your favorite track?
https://coolandnewwebcomic.bandcamp.com/album/cool-and-new-web-comic-voulem-1
>>84207735
>Showtime
>Medical Emergency
>WSW Beatdown
>Sunslammer
>>84207735
a colour this shirt also comes in
>>84207528
AG: What are you doing????????
TG: im giving it up
TG: out*
TG: im passin them out like chaep cigars
AG: You stop that r8ght now! That's totally the opposite of what we do!
TG: lawl nah u got it backwords the hole point of stealin is to move good stuff from bad guys to good peeps
>>84207735
The one thats just karkalicious with a trumpet
>>84207528
I dont think so, john even dated both.
>>84207735
Penumbra Phat is objectively the best song.
>>84207858
Which is?
>>8420795133. rekiuem fro kraket
>>84207964
thanks
>>84207735
Doctoral Degree
>>84207735
X - V A P O R - R O M
>>84207528
that would've been fun
>>84207735
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
actually, the 4 1/3 hours late one
>his favorite character is Karkuck
>>84208285
>>84208285
>his favorite character is Vristake
Act 6 was a mistake.
>>84207548
They do.
Rogue's steal and redistribute, akin to Robin Hood. Nepeta enjoys roleplay, adorning a new identity, taking someone else's identity as her own. She also quite literally stole Davesprite's identity when they became Davepeta. She was also obsessed with shipping, a way more literal representation of how a rogue will take stuff and redistribute it. She was obsessed with matching people up. :D <3
Roxy's rogue manifested in her inability to be understood, she took the void and redistributed it over her own words, an obstruction that she had to then get rid of. Void is about obscurity after all! She also blacked out the session by virtue of taking the void and redistributing it passively. :3 :3
>>84207589
There were some strenuous observations they both shared when we discussed it in the past, when the classpect craze was in full force. Put simply Rogues seem to characterized as well meaning to others and actively willing to help them but lacking in some personal area that they don't confront easily, usually tied in with their aspect in some form and possibly what structures their development as a class in sburb given the whole 'working against a challenge' idea.
Both Nepeta, Roxy and even Rufioh weirdly enough have a number of similarities you can observe and try to interpret their shared meanings in relation to their shared Rogue class and the various interactions with their aspect said observations would/could suggest.
>>84207528
>Vriska: Thief of Light
>Steals things from others to help herself
>Roxy: Rogue of Void
>Steals nothing from concepts to help others
And then when Roxy interacts with Vriska she just lets Vriska shit talk Jake, the fuck is wrong with you Hussie?
>>84207850
It just hit me that this wasn't in the comic
Shame. It was pretty spot on.
>>84208713
Seeing Vriska conflict with a capable but positive person like Roxy would have been an amazing interaction outright, especially with John thrown into the mix as well.
>>84208849
Well Roxy is everything Vriska wishes she could be.
I guess we'll have to settle for Aradia "Put Spider Bitches in Spider Stiches" Megido beating her up for all eternity in the old universe
>>84208646
I mean, to be fair, Jake is the fucking worst
>>84208879
Vriska is the worst.
>>84208859
>Well Roxy is everything Vriska wishes she could be.
Huh, that's a really interesting thought now that you mention it.
>>84208908
Vriska may have been ruined by Act 6, but she was a compelling character at one point, which is more than Jake can say.
>>84207673
>archives down
http://desuarchive.org/co/search/text/homestuck/
????
>>84208951
Jake's still better. There's no Jakestagram.
>>84208910
It's a certain kind of irony.
Vriska wanted to be praised as a hero but everyone saw her as a creepy sociopath
Roxy never wanted to be praised as a hero but Dirk "Emotionless Asshole" Strider ends up singing her praises - when she isn't in the room.
Of course it all falls to shit when Vriska off-screen becomes a character everyone everywhere loves
>>84208879
He could have been interesting at least, but damn did he get shafted hard in the writing department. Real shame too, all they had to do was show him going off and doing his own thing and he'd be fine. Instead he just takes his place as the drama trophy wife and impassively takes shit or feels sorry for himself.
>>84208981
Like I said, regardless of how much Vriska may have been ruined, she was at least entertaining for a time before it all went to shit.
Jake is emblematic of everything wrong with post-Scratch Homestuck.
>>84208995
Christ if that'd been touched on it could have been fantastic, even a dramatic improvement for the vaunted retcon Vriska had it been made apparent that people just put up with her shit as opposed to actually liking her. So in the end even if she was the big important boss bitch, there's this other person about who is the person she always wanted to be without sacrificing friendship to obtain it.
But, as you said, everyone seems to love her post retcon, even fucking Terezi. Just makes me hate it that much more again.
>>84208136
i made that
>>84209109
thank u
>>84209060
>thanks to the retcons, John is literally the only original main character who did anything relevant or meaningful after Cascade
Th-thanks, Hussie.
Grandpa was awesome enough for both of his selves. Leave Jake alone.
>>84209109
wow that took nearly no thought from me
3 fucking words
ill say a bit more
so i made vapour rom in audacity during a plane ride
i was originally a seperate song from the album but ended up getting added anyway
>>84209060
The thing to remember about Vriska is that not many of the characters involved in the ending actually knew her. Terezi and Kanaya did. Dave did secondhand from Terezi. Rose, Jade, and the Alphas all had no interaction with the old Vriska, so it wouldn't make any sense for them to dislike her.
As far as they all knew, Vriska was just another one of the surviving trolls, and one who was always zealously trying to help everyone and keep everyone safe. As hamfisted as the writing was, nobody really broke character. They all had reason to like Vriska.
>>84209141
He only made things worse, I think most people expected Jake to just go around fucking shit up whilst being a bit odd, perhaps an emotional dwarf too given what we knew of Grandpa. Instead we got stupid teen drama and Jake feeling sorry for himself for fucking ages. Least he was alright in Collide I guess.
meanwhile, most of bowman's old videos are listed again
but scoutrush39 became unavailable
what does it mean? did his love for homestuck came back?
>>84209141
Nanna was awesome too, but that doesn't make Jane any less awful.
btw this is a thing thats going to happen
>>84209204
>>84209223
But Grandpa made Joey! You like Joey, don't you?
8ULLY THE WEENIE!!!!!!!!
>tfw John is my favorite beta kid
>tfw Jake is my favorite alpha kid
>tfw Gamzee is my favorite troll
>tfw Kankri is my favorite dancestor
>>84209272
>gamzee
>caring about dancestors at all
Beyond shit taste.
>>84209272
5/10
Here is mine:
john
roxy
aradia
meenah
rate me dont hate me
>>84209272
good taste anon.
>>84209272
john's my favourite beta
roxy's my favourite alpha
vriska's my favourite troll
meenah's my favourite dancestor
>>84209186
I can't for one second believe any of the members of the meteor trip didn't spend some time together or in each others company at some point learning about the others on the ship. Three years is such a long fucking time, with such a small number of people there's no way you wouldn't be able to avoid them or at the absolute minimum learning about them enough to know what they're like.
And even still they'd have obvious reason to dislike her given her personality, a point brushed over in light on John's magical punch. But fuck it, we never see their actual interactions and retcon Vriska and all the meteor cast are just different fucking characters to the ones we knew so who cares.
>>84209272
Mine is:
Dave
Dirk
Karkat
Rufioh
>>84209300
Literally me
>>84209300
Safe/10But yeah those are the only real choices in light of the whole retcon, Meenah or Aranea are both the only good Dancestors and Aradia is one of the only trolls not to end up as complete shit, 10/10.
>>84209326
It just blows my mind that Hussie thought completely erasing literal years of character development without an adequate replacement was a good idea.
Fresh land art from last night. This one was for Classpectanon's fantroll Arctis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6e2NvlY9oc
the entire community stream for anyone who wants to watch the entire music team fuck around /w the community
>>84209272
>John
He doesn't have a lot of competition among his group. Everybody else either had their veneer of being a likeable character crumble to ruin by the end of the story or didn't even have one in the first place.
>Roxy
This decision was actually a little harder since most if not all of the Act 6 kids kind of stand out to me in their own little ways. She is definitely and clearly the winner after tallying the scores, though.
>Nepeta and Meulin
All the trolls are on equal footing in terms of being fucking terrible side characters, don't kid yourselves. At least these two are appealing through sheer cuteness.
>>84209272
>dave had the best dialogue for a while
>roxy, no question
>you guys made me like eridan, fuck you
>mituna
>>84209210
He clearly must enjoy being a meme.
I can't wait for the sequel to Bowman's Credit Score.
>>84209498
we need a sequel to Texas History
what happened to Sam Houston
i need to know
>>84209272
Rose
Dirk
Kanaya
Mituna
>>84209454
more art of said rustblooded semen demen
>>84209484
Roxy has even less competition than John given that the majority of her peers' material is bullshit teen drama.
Nepeta stands for everything that went horribly fucking wrong with the trolls, when fucking shipping became a bigger focus than the actual story. She should never have existed.
Nepeta stands out as a fucking terrible side character even among all the one-note joke trolls.
>>84209484
That's pretty much exactly how I feel as well. All the trolls end up terrible as effective characters, so just choosing whichever one has the most appealing design is good enough, and cute cat girls will always do well in that regard.
>>84209531
Homestuck directed by David Lynch
>>84206920
The whole fucking Trickster arc. What a horrible, pointless waste of time.
>>84209582
who is this sperm wyrm
who is this jizz genie
who is this salami tsunami
>>84209573
All the trolls are terrible side characters, and all the minor trolls were as bad as each other in that regard. None of them added anything to the main characters, even among the trolls and the only things any of them did if anything was minor plot contrivances which were either terrible or brushed over later, the dreambubbles and the Matriorb being the obvious examples of that.
The only thing they had going for them was their designs, being amusing or being interesting and by the end of the story none of them are amusing or interesting.
>>84209552
DEM HIPS
>>84209552
>>84209748
SIX SWEEPS
>>84209648
It's a cat anon, you pervert.
>>84209768
>>84209748
now here's some unlikable telekinetic douchebag
>>84209654
None of this changes the fact that Nepeta represents everything wrong with the bullshit romance drama that came to dominate so much of Act 6, as well as the fanbase in general.
>booanon never came back
That actually makes me really sad
>>84209797
She was just a minor cat/RP joke-themed character, like the other minor trolls. She kept the shipping bullshit to herself and didn't go into long spiels about stupid feelings like numerous other characters did once her dumb introduction was done.
If you actually want to say there's any characters that represent the bullshit romance drama in Homestuck it's the Alphas minus Roxy, Nepeta was just an irrelevant but cute cat girl who made stupid puns.
>>84209797
Nepeta did not act alone in creating weird alien teen romance drama. There was an entire suite of 24+ characters all obsessing over quadrants and junk. They're all equally culpable. You just see her as an easy target for your frustrations.
>>84209906
>>84209834
Sooo... Terezi has been interested in adding Aradia to her fucktoy's harem for quite a while
>>84209906
>Karkat/Vriska red
what the fuck was she thinking
>>84210108
She was thinking "oh noooooo" apparently.
>>84209186
>>The thing to remember about Vriska is that not many of the characters involved in the ending actually knew her.
>John: Hey Vriska! You don't actually seem so bad. Maybe what you do is normal for trolls and this is just a matter of cultural difference.
>John: Wait, she's actually dangerous and crazy even for a troll. I can't let her go back to life!
>John: Yeah, you know what, Roxy? I think I kind of hate her, actually. She's really awful.
...
>John: Hey Vriska! You don't actually seem so bad. I brought you back to life because Terezi told me to. I'm totally sure you won't bully or kill my friends, or anything like that. :D
And let's not even get into Roxy "Wow, Aranea, you're a smug bitch and I hate you at first sight" Lalonde's case.
>>84209906
>gamzee X terezi
>"probably not!"
holy
shit
>>84210127
More like she is jealous as fuck at other Karkat ships and believes that Vriska was going to steal her lover.
>>84210162
redrom Karkat ships*
>>84210108
Two insecure angry individuals finding solace in each other i guess? She didn't like them together either way.
>>84207094
All correctly named
>>84207107
You shut your god-damn mouth about my Roxy.
>>84210162
I think 'oh noooooo' covers that possibility.
>>84210138
Hey, who could predict that to get them together it'd take their own life in exchange, shit's fucked when you think of it.
>>84210130
Don't forget Terezi "I know she's manipulating my dependence on her and likely looks down on me for it" Pyrope. Or even Tavros "She fucking killed me" Nitram.
>>84209806
Bookanon I mean
>>84210253
liberally whom? or did you mean the guy posting paradox space scans
>Favorite beta kid: Jade (she had no screentime so she didn't get ruined, and at least she didn't regress to mindless derp like John did)
>Favorite alpha kid: Roxy (I believe I don't need to justify myself here)
>Favorite troll: Tavros (decent character, best arc out of the twelve)
>Favorite dancestor: Mituna (I don't think I need an explanation here either)
>>84210226
Tavros wasn't on the meteor though.
But if he was, oh boy. I'm pretty sure Vriska wouldn't resist targeting him and everyone would quickly catch on to how rotten and unacceptable she is as a person.
And if he could hypothetically speak up about his abuse (and what she did regarding Jade and Bec Noir) she would lose all credibility forever.
>>84210281
the guy making a book with hsg shitposts
he's fucking dead
>>84210282
oh no everyone would still love her, they'd just think she was doing some troll stuff or just joking around, haha vriska can never do anything wrong. man up tavros.this is how hsg reacts anyway
>>84210317
That's probably what Hussie would force (and what shitposters, Vriska stans, and dumb teens would repeat). But I'm pretty sure HSG has moved past that reaction nowadays.
>>84210282
>how rotten and unacceptable she is as a person
Here's the thing you're not getting though. Post retcon Vriska isn't really that bad a person. Nobody has any reason to think she is, and the one kind of mean thing she did was bugging Jake, and you guys blow that way out of proportion.
>>84210282
Wait, on the retcon timeline didn't she still kill Tavros when he confronts her in the hallways of the lab? But then revives him with a kernelsprite and, being Tavros, forgives her for the whole murder thing.
>>84210396
>Post retcon Vriska isn't really that bad a person.
She still created Bec Noir and killed Tavros. Plus all the other bad shit she did in Hivebent.
>>84210396
She's still got a fucking terrible, manipulative personality. She just doesn't flat out mindcontrol or maim anyone after her Egbert smack-down. We can't fully say what she's like or was like during that time on the meteor, given we only see glimpses of some artitsts rendition of it. But given what Terezi says, how she handles Karkat and the Jake situation we can see she's still entirely unpleasant, just not dangerous to those around her.
Her past misdeeds and personality don't just disappear and whilst a good number of the meteor crew haven't experienced that, they'd almost assuredly hear about it from someone who did.
>>84210396
>Telling Jake he's a joke, worthless, and will never amount to anything is "kind of mean"
>Who is GCATavros
>Who is (Vriska)
>etc.
Vriskapologists >>>/out/
>>84210420
Yeah, I'm just talking about a hypothetical timeline where Tavros survives. Even though he's a forgiving sort (and may or may not have been kind of fucked up by the Vriska business) I think the meteor crew would be absolutely horrified by all the shit he'd tell them about. Even if he dismisses it as "not that bad".
>>84210396
that fact that she bugged jake at all isn't really a good sign now is it
Jake legit had a bigger part in Collide than John or Rose
beta kids got fucking fucked over
>people who hate Vriska
caliborn is L I T E R A L L Y a better person than vriska is
>>84210288
wasn't mozai working on it with him? Mozai isn't dead
>>84210530
Caliborn is a better Karkat as well
>>84210494
(Vriska) deserved it, and ended up better off anyways, her relationship with Meenah obviously wasn't working.
GCATavros was a good thing, she gave Tavros superpowers.
Jake didn't even care about anything Vriska was saying man, he doesn't need you to stand up for him.
You guys bitched and bitched when Vriska showed up in the dream bubbles and hadn't learned anything, but then when John did the retcon thing and we got a version of Vriska who did follow through with her character development you guys just keep bitching.
>>84210494
Oh okay I understand now. I imagine in that universe he'd be more likely to take offence to what Vriska did, given the reason he died was to stand up to her getting them all killed. She'd likely try to play off what was happening, maybe even try and manipualte Tavros so he doesn't spill the beans, but he'd be surrounded by people who'd stick up for him where the other trolls either wouldn't or work more with revenge over protection deal.
>>84210585
>follows through on her character development
>is the same petulant bitch she was at the beginning of act 5, having learned absolutely nothing and changed in no ways as a character
yeah, nah, you're a cunt
vriska apologists please go
>>84210585
Oh, okay, this was bait.
Poe's law, etc.
>>84210585
what exactly did vriska learn
there's some evidence to suggest that she created Union Jack just like she created Bec Noir
>>84210585
Hussie you fucked up just admit it and tell us when Hiveswap is coming out already
>>84210585
>>84210583
HOMESTUCK
when your main villains are likeable and heroic and your main heroes are insufferable and downright evil
>>84210627
But that's wrong. Like, factually wrong. I don't even know how to respond to that.
You really think Act 5 Vriska would approve of willingly giving up being a god? Really?
Read the fucking comic.
>>84210695
bait me once, shame on me, bait me twice, shame on you
>2016
>Replying to Vriska-dindu-nuffin shitposts in complete sincerity
Former Homestuck musician attempts transformation into Bob Ross of music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XqnMFAVTLg
>>84210844
it's so affirmating
why do people think bro is an alpha? hes an omega at worst and beta at best :) dad is the alpha
I wish Equius had gotten some actual development. Yeah Hussie made him as the funny horsedick joke troll, but having a character so entirely alien to humanity, even more-so than the other trolls, could've been really interesting.
>>84207000
You win
>>84211496
The fact that he is part of Lord English is something that no one brings up. How would English react to Nepeta? He just went undertale boss on Davepeta, when we could have gotten something interesting.
>>84211350
...
No. Actual discussion is fun. :^)
>>84207164
She steals things from nonexistence
She's the only Alpha kid who's relevant, because she stole her relevance out of nothing
>>84211496
That was what I was hoping he and Nepeta were going to be for, supporting the development of other main characters linked to them and fleshing out how alien the trolls actually are. I liked the contrast of silly savagery with strict nobility, but then they both just devolved into one off jokes and then died. Shame on both fronts.
>>84207528
>I think Hussie missed the obvious chance
You really could have just stopped there
Is it bad that I think "justice must be a serve" is a good song?
>>84207607
>Prequel trilogy
>Better than Episode 7
>>84211517
Conflicted most likely, the other parts of him wouldn't like that and they'd want to destroy Nep as quickly as possible to stop feeling those hidden feelings. They'd likely feel ecstatic and miserable at the same time once the deed was done.
>>84211584
what are you talking about
they are all good songs
>>84211584
I think there's some honest winners on the album, "justice must be serve" being one of the best.
>>84211496
I remember being bummed out when equius died by clown.
I mean I loved it too, since it was a real death that came from his own flaws...but I too wish he was fleshed out more. Rather than the STRONG HORSE man that he is now in ARquius
>>84211517
I thought Davepeta was stupid, but held on hope that the combination of Davesprite and the Nepeta that knew the Equius in LE would be able to have some sort interaction, or cause some minor internal conflict. But it's just another missed interaction, last third of the comic was littered with them.
>>84211574
Having them both killed off I had no problem with because both their deaths were caused by their personalities/flaws. I still just wish we'd seen more of them, their dialogue in Seek the Highblood was great.
>>84211643
Funny, I loved AR and when he became ARquisus I he also just became le strong hoarse man
>>84209272
>Good taste
>Shit taste
>Terrible taste
>Caring about any dancestors other than Mituna
>>84211624
At $13.846153846153846153846153846154 per song they sure must be.
>>84209648
That's god-tier Nepeta dumbshit
>>84211693
can't believe they raised the price by $720
>>84211606
>>84211645
Amazing how we don't even know what Lord English's personality is like even after everything. Caliborn only turned out to be one PART of him.
>>84211688
>Caring about any dancestors other than Mituna
Mituna is my adorable little cinnamon bun husbando, but a fair few of the others are entertaining too.And without Latula we wouldn't have best ship.
Would've been cool to see some more dialogue between them and the other trolls besides Karkat and Terezi, or some of the kids. Maybe in a Paradox Space comic or walkaround or something if the Homestuck 2.0 shit turns out to not be a complete failure.
>>84211645
Oh for sure, some of the trolls had to die inevitably and those two were prime candiates. The proble I have is that they weren't use effective as characters in any way, they didn't help develop main characters, the plot, the troll race much and their deaths weren't setup in a way that was impactful.
Had Nepeta been shown being friends with Terezi or being this happy, positive force when there's all this doom and gloom about her death could have meant something to the troll's development, Terezi especially.
So too for Equius, given he was one of the most capable trolls on the meteor. Had he been shown as someone they relied on in some way, his death would have meant they were left in a weakened state and would have to work with others to get things done, Sollux shares this missed opportunity as well given how much they actually relied on him, yet his absence is never brought up.
>>84211738
Caliborn really failed, in retrospect.
He was supposed to be backstory for the villain and wound up becoming a morally dubious underdog story.
If there'd been the ever illusive Scratch/English log, we might've been able to figure out English's personality.
>>84211785
Caliborn could have easily been SON OF LORD ENGLISH and *nothing* would be different.
>>84207735
The Beginning of... Something
>>84210130
Man, it's even more of a zigzag than that. Even during Act 5 there was zigzagging and the implication of character development before she went full retard and got fucking rekt. The narrative flipflopped on whether or not it felt like Vriska was worthy of another chance so many times it's crazy.
>>84211781
their deaths showed that gamzee was a legitimate threat and served to make him more intimidating
like on Star Trek whenever someone knocks out Worf to show how strong he is
>>84211604
The Force Awakens is literally A New Hope, just not as good. At least the prequels had Sheev.
>>84211781
Equius did build Tavros new legs but everything he did wound up sort of glossed over. You could argue that being Heir of Void makes it fitting his death is impactless, but he deserved more screentime. Some logs with Karkat could've furthered the leadership ideas both had, maybe given insight on Alternian society. Logs with Gamzee might've foreshadowed him going sober. There was a lot of room that wasn't filled for him character-wise.
Same goes for Nepeta, she really didn't have the chance to interact with anyone meaningfully.
Roxy>John>Dave Classic>Rose>Dirk>POWERGAP>Jane>Jade>Jake>nuDave
>>84211839
He was just a smiling, patient NPC in 1 and 2, wasn't he? He only took off the gloves in 3.
>>84211856
Wow Nah
Classic Rose>Classic Dave>Classic John>Roxy>Jade>Dirk>Jake>Jane>Nu John>Nu Rose>Nu Dave
>>84211856
Haha a forced linebreak made your post unclear sucker
>>84211807
Story-wise yeah.
Caliborn makes almost no allusions to Lord English besides stealing Jake's name. I guess his genocide complex carried over to LE but that's it.
why do people hate Dave by the end of Homestuck?
Are men not supposed to have feelings and be multifaceted idgi
>>84211833
The real answer here is Hussie cares too much about averting expectations and not enough about writing a decent story.
>>84211926
A character who was funny and had depth at the same time became a character who was gay and was abused by bro
>>84211856
>>84211895
>Jade had such little development there's no difference between Classic or Nu
>>84211977
and thank god for that
>>84209834
awww i want some
>>84211839
I think the thing that made TFA more than just "A Newer Hope" was that it kind of was a meta navelgazey examination of what it meant to be a new Star Wars movie in a world where Star Wars is a major cultural touchstone. Basically, meta but good. Hussie should take notes.
And not even Sheev "The Senate" Palpatine could save the prequels. Episode II especially is irredeemable.
>>84211977
I look at it more like the grimbark thing felt more like a legit progression of her character.
Granted it didn't fucking go anywhere thanks to the Big man, but at least she was mostly kind of consistent
>>84207735
>$720
>>84211856
>>84211895
Both wrong
Dave > Rose > Roxy > John > Jade > Dirk > Jane > Jake > nuRose > nuDave
>>84211903
Drunk rose did it not me
>>84212010
A little too meta and manipulative for its own good, honestly.
Like fuck, really? That whole fucking scene that was mimicking the end of ESB? Fuck me.
>>84212023
if you pay for the official album download, you get the Anthem music video as a bonus
>>84211960
But the whole abused by Bro and being bisexual was a thing from very early on? And he's still pretty funny in my opinion. Beforehand he was all about his cool dude facade but he's really opened up more at the end and I like it.
>>84212044
Is there a dl of all the songs from last night or should I make one
>>84212031
I'd argue Rose had better bantz while Dave was overall funnier, overall nice taste
>>84212051
dave being bisexual was never foreshadowed before the retcon
if denial qualifies as foreshadowing then john is a homosexual
>>84212084
there's already a mega on the bandcamp page
>>84212051
I really don't see any attempts from Hussie at humor in Dave's "toxic-masculinity" or "my Bro abused the fucksticks out of me" speeches.
>>84212023
>Being so poor you can't afford to drop $720 on a intentionally shitty album based on a meme comic based on a shitty webcomic
>>84212051
>being bisexual was a thing from very early on
Hussie flat out said he was straight once in twitter as a joke response to a johndave shipper
>>84212002
me too anon,
>>84212098
He has one conversation where he literally says the words "I love him" in reference to John without a hint of irony. Rose literally questions him about his heterosexuality, he also flirts openly with Equius and Tavros, these are all behaviors that can very easily be attributed to someone who is in the closet.
People literally said the exact same thing about Dirk before it was confirmed, they all presumed his behaviour was evident of a heterosexual man pulling a fast one but low and behold.
So just because you didn't wanna acknowledge it doesn't make it untrue.
>>84212023
Still a better investment than Hiveswap was.
>>84212114
That's because those weren't meant to be funny. But post those conversations he gets back into the loop of cool guy Dave and they have a fun lightning round.
In-fact he even has a fun time when he's talking to Roxy. Shock and horror that not everything has to be jokes.
>>84209272
John
Dirk
Terezi
Meenah
I wish Dirk's character bits had focused more on him being mentally messed up and aware of it but with less self-loathing and gay drama
>>84212119
>as a joke response
I'm glad you can be oblivious to your own responses. However I'll indulge you, source?
>>84212141
me...too
>>84212145
>these are all behaviors that can very easily be attributed to someone who is in the closet.
breathing is also a behavior that can very easily be attributed to someone who is in the closet
>People literally said the exact same thing about Dirk before it was confirmed
dirk's sexuality wasn't foreshadowed either but at least it was dealt with naturally and didn't come at the end of his arc for the sake of a meme
>>84212145
>He doesn't love his friends.
I pity you.
>>84212165
>Shock and horror that not everything has to be jokes.
THE VILLAIN WAS A DOG WEARING SUNGLASSES
>>84212221
No the villain was a manlet whom fate cruelly murdered his sister
>>84212165
>not everything has to be jokes.
Have you actually read homestuck? I can count on one hand the number of scenes played 100% serious without the premise being totally stupid or a joke being told during/immediately after.
>>84212200
Nice way of dodging addressing each point. Look, you don't like that Dave was always interested in men? Too bad. Go find another webcomic.
>dirk's sexuality wasn't foreshadowed
How exactly would you like sexuality to be foreshadowed? Did you want incredibly exposition about the first time Dirk found a guy hot?
Or maybe you missed the fact Bro Strider very literally crafted a website for gay puppets and was surrounded by phallic imagery. But okay! Complain about a non-existing issue.
>>84212221
Ah yes, because Bec Noir definitely had moments where he wasn't terrifying, especially his one barking like mad moment.
>>84211837
Yeah that's true I suppose, Gamzee as a threat was handled rather well, until Kanaya's lesbian powers activated and she just trivialized threats left and right.
Honestly, when I first watched Game Over, the Gamzee section when he kills Karkat just seemed stupid to me given Kanaya had previously dealt with him easily and then proceeds to do it again. It cheapened Karkat's death to meaningless, given the flash itself didn't present the effects of his short sighted anger at what was happening to Terezi very well, he just anime runs past Kanaya who has a silly face and dies. Had it shown Kanaya being dismayed at him charging ahead or him activating some kind of Blood ability the whole sequence could have played out much better than the joke it's considered.
>>84212259
>Nice way of dodging addressing each point.
The point was retarded. You listed a bunch of behaviors that straight guys do and then said that they prove Dave was gay all along.
>How exactly would you like sexuality to be foreshadowed?
It doesn't need to be. I'm fine with Dirk. It's just Dave that's embarrassing.
>Or maybe you missed the fact Bro Strider very literally crafted a website for gay puppets and was surrounded by phallic imagery.
Because only gay guys use dicks for irony?
>>84212221
Yo those were spooky sunglasses.
>>84212145
>without a hint of irony
>>84212141
>>84212196
ME...TOO...
>>84212251
I remember when mom and dad's death was funny, when Bro's death was funny, when Vriska's death was funny, when Gamzee's murderous rampage was funny, when Jade's lonely trip was funny, when Terezi's abuse was funny, when Vriska's speech before they found the juju was funny.
Homestuck does use humour to end tension and it did so in the retcon too. Humour is necessary because tension is impossible to keep rising, you need moments of relief for the audience to be able to still feel the intensity of a moment, I don't know why you're so against Dave having a serious conversation.
>>84211853
>You could argue that being Heir of Void makes it fitting his death is impactless
Good point, but damn if it doesn't make the story less interesting having this super capable but flawed character not really impart any lasting meaning.
Given how very few of the trolls really embraced their roles by that point, it could have been an amusing contrast to have him truly come into being the Heir of Void by dying, whilst in life he was far away from that by being useful. Or just having him do things, but more in the background as opposed to Sollux or Aradia's exploits which are directly shown.
He could have been doing something super important that no one really knew he was doing as a way of protecting him or them which seems rather Heir like. I mean, even in death he doesn't represent the Void well given he comes back to life and is incredibly influential as Arquiusprite. Perhaps the ability to selectively embrace the void is more fitting, he can choose to embrace the protection of the Void so he is overlooked and able to get important shit done without fear of rebuttal. Could help to explain how he got the drop on Caliborn for instance.
>Some logs with Karkat could've furthered the leadership ideas both had
I also like the idea of him conflicting with Karkat for leadership or the leadership styles employed before it was cemented in place. There's a Karkat memo where this idea is played with and their interactions, including future Karkat, are really rather enjoyable.
It'd also make the fact that Karkat sent him to his death even more meaningful, given in classical troll society getting someone sent to their death would be exactly what a 'leader' would be expected to do. It could chew him up inside, act as a platform for his development after the low point in his leadership after the events of Murderstuck.
>>84212295
I wasn't trying to prove Dave is gay, he's very clearly bisexual. Straight guys do them, yeah, but when attributed to Dave coming out it all really makes sense, it's not shocking. He also has that moment in Meenahbound where he finds Karkat sleeping and they have the whole "caress my cheek, something unambiguously platonic".
If sexuality doesn't need to be foreshadowed then why are you so starved over Dave's sexuality? Lmao
Look, just because you can't peg someone's sexuality from their behaviour doesn't mean their sexuality was a sudden thing.
>>84212145
>literally says the words "I love him"
he's his best friend you dickcock
>>84212334
Hussie found Murderstuck funny, somehow
>>84212381
I'm sorry when was the last time any straight guy could stomach saying those words about a guy without having to tag the word "no homo" on the end?
>>84212334
I'm just pointing out there's almost zero moments of 100% seriousness in homestuck, which is one of the things I love so much about it. English the universe destroying demons first thing he does after hatching is make a loud honk
>>84212381
there's no point in reasoning with fujos
they have no idea how men actually act around each other and they think that every interaction that can possibly be construed as fondness is sexual
(: hi guys! whats up :) how is everyone today? <3 <3
>>84212145
this is where straight men roll their eyes as all the times theyve talked about fucking their friends and dicks and loving men and blah blah blah flash in front of their eyes. its just how we interact. im cool with dave being bisexual but nothing he did ever actually hinted that he was into dudes.
>>84212401
I don't know, depends, have you been hanging out with emotionally secure human beings or no?
>>84212401
What fantasy land do you live in where people aren't close to each other?
>>84211895
Looks spot on to me, Classic Rose will always slightly edge out Dave for me given she could switch more easily between the banter with Dave and John to being actually caring and thoughtful if a bit self centred and evasive. Damn Classic Rose was fun, Classic John too, may they rest in peace.
>just Jane
Sad but so amusingly true.
