Here we go.
>Talking on the latest episode of Collider Heroes, Matt Key, a producer on Kevin Smith's Fatman on Batman podcast, had this to say about some interesting rumblings he's been hearing. "I've heard from a few of my sources, my little birds that Fox and Marvel have... kind of talked, but not really, but like there's interest from Fox, like, 'Ooh, y'know, what they did with Sony and Spider-Man is actually pretty cool, like, maybe...' We're years away from that ever possibly happening... but I think that's what it would take... Fox joining hands with Marvel..." Well, that's pretty vague all in all, eh?
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/avengers/20th-century-fox-reportedly-considering-some-sort-of-team-up-with-marvel-a142923
>>84099948
I don't believe it will happen.
Fox is still probably making a profit from the X-Men franchise overall, especially because of Deadpool. Splitting the profits with Marvel might get them less than they're making now.
Disregard X-men, stick the Baxter Building in a Marvel Studios movie as soon as possible.
>>84099948
>kind of talked
>but not really
What? Anyhow, even if it happens, I don't see any X-Men/FF related movie coming out until MCU's phase 4.
>>84099948
>Some guy on Kevin Smith's podcast said he heard that Fox thought it was cool that Sony and Marvel made a deal
Oh... So it's nothing then.
May as well ask here instead of making a new thread.
If you had to introduce the X-Men into the MCU, how would it work?
>>84099948
I doubt anything will happen, cuz Marvel.
I see them being petty and/or stupid enough to say "Fuck you Fox"
>>84099948
>Bringing the mutants into the MCU
Nope.gif
>Bringing the more popular heroes, sow e can have Wolverine in the X-men, Beast dry-humping Simon, and Rogue stealing Carol powers
>>84100411
>so we can have Wolverine in the Avengers
proof-reading is for retards
>>84100303
We find out that the reason that there were so few X-Men in Deadpool is not just because there's no budget but also because there's very few mutants in the MCU compared to the FoX-Men's universe.
>>84100303
>If you had to introduce the X-Men into the MCU, how would it work?
They already have "enhanced individuals" like the Scarlet Witch. So have some newscaster say that "mutant" has caught on as the name for "enhanced individuals" who appear to have been born with their powers.
Xavier is an older, closeted mutant who looks at the Avengers and think they're horrible and dangerous. So he decides to find young mutants and train them in the use of their powers and keep them from falling into the hands of the government or the Avengers.
His students, against his advice, start going out to fight crime, and when he realizes they're not going to stop doing super-hero stuff, he reluctantly agrees to supervise their activities.
>>84099948
That would just be pathetic. Totally possible, though, I mean, who doesn't want that ''Spidey-Civil War-Treatment'' which was basically an all-forgiving lazarus pit for the multi-tanking franchise.
Anyway, this ''news'' is bullshit, and probably Fox's scheme to make it seem like Marvel is involved so people would go see their Raven movies again.
>>84100303
Have the existence of mutants be kept secret all these years by Professor X and Nick Fury.
Start it with the end of phase 3, since that would be the best time to introduce them. At some point Thanos destroys Captain America with the gauntlet, but at the end he get resurrected to help save the day.
End credits stinger involves Cap finding Fury and asking him where Logan is. Being resurrected returned memories that were once buried, including fighting alongside Wolverine -- and Nick Fury -- in WW2.
>>84100411
haram
>>84099948
HOUSE OF M WHEN???
>>84102672
hopefully, never
>>84100303
They could have Wanda pull an M-Day
>>84100049
Every single x-men or FF movie they've made has posted a profit. X-men Apocalypse is at some 500m world wide. This is pretty good for a fox franchise. It'll likely end up in their top 5 films this year.
Thing is..... more money? They could potentially make more money. FF didn't make much, wolverine is coming to an end. Fox doesn't have much of a plan outside Deadpool 2 and a potential x-force. They need to figure their shit out, why not just have marvel do it for them? Let marvel use their characters and let Fox make some money. It'll be win-win for every.
>>84102713
Why not?
>>84099948
HOW WILL DC EVER COMPETE
>>84102874
Just watch.
>>84102672
>>84102851
they could use this as a means to reboot the MCU with new actors.
>>84099948
>>84102945
Would rather they use Secret Wars for that desu
Replace the Ultimate Universe with the FoX-Men Universe
>>84102672
>we find out the reason that there's no mutants is that Scarlet Witch said No More Mutants one day and caused the creation of the Fox X-Men universe where all the mutants were placed
>>84103071
OR they could use it as a means of integrating the X-men in the MCU
I just want to see Hugh Jackman Wolverine fight the Hulk. That's all I want.
>>84102981
Who takes the time to write this shit?
>>84102981
Cringe?
>>84103210
To be fair it should be done like that. Like one in a time inter-dimensional travel.
>>84103296
wait, you aren't beeing ironic?
for real?
>>84102981
The Fantastic Four, Doom etc SHOULD be introduced via interdimensional travel desu
>>84103108
Yeah, they do that after they find out that Scarlet Witch caused it to happen and now they change it back.
Meanwhile Marvel Comcs' newest event: HOUSE OF M II
>>84103366
not doom
FF maybe time travel, I would accept it
doom have nothing to do with nothing, just make him a ditactor of some country and have a mechanical suit and magic knowledge
thta would be better
>>84103408
would that resurrect quicksilver?
>>84100049
Sony kind of deal.
They get the profits from their own movies, Marvel can use those characters in other movies.
>>84103480
Would that cause Peter to kill himself?
>>84103210
No idea. Just saw it posted on some news aggregator and I knew the subject would come up on /co/ eventually so I saved it.
>>84102825
It's like WB/DC right now. They make decent money with their superhero movies. But they want to make Avengers money.
>>84103442
>doom have nothing to do with nothing
What did he main by this.
Anyway, you can hardly just drop Latveria into the MCU like it's always been there.
And you lose a lot if you remove Doom & Reed's college rivalry.
>>84099948
it's probably the FF, Xmen is fine, even though the latest one was a rushjob
proper DOOM when?
>>84102744
This. They could merge the world with Wanda literally just saying 3 words.
Hell, they could make it a thing where she's trying to bring her brother back from the dead, so we get Fox Quicksilver. It synergises well with that thing with her kids from the comics, and if the ever lose the license they can undo it all by doing a version of Dissassembled.
>>84103825
>Wanda literally just saying 3 words.
>No, MORE Mutants
>>84103618
No we just find out that Peter is their long-lost sibling.
>>84103734
>Anyway, you can hardly just drop Latveria into the MCU like it's always been there.
Why not? It's not like Latveria is a superpower who has to get involve in everyone else's affairs. If they can delay the introduction of Wakanda until now, they can introduce Latveria over several films slowly.
>>84102825
>FF movie they've made has posted a profit
not the last flop
all these rumors are about X-men but I doubt that is the case. Much more likely is them cutting a deal with FF
>>84104155
Wakanda's isolationist. Doom's too egocentric for that shit.
>>84103734
>Anyway, you can hardly just drop Latveria into the MCU like it's always been there.
you mean like they did with Wakanda? That is a much more important nation than Latveria
>>84102825
>Every single x-men or FF movie they've made has posted a profit
>Every FF movie they've made has posted a profit
>>84104250
>That is a much more important nation than Latveria
See >>84104266.
>>84104296
but it is. Latveria is just another totallitarian state, it's just run by a super villain. Wakanda is the biggest nation in the world economically
>>84104166
>budget 120m
>gross 167m
I mean..... it didn't eat as hard of a dick as real bombs
>>84103825
>>84103931
>X-Men finally in the MCU
>make House of M the first event post-crossover
>''No more mutants''
>mutants only last 1 phase and Fox is forced to reboot the whole franchise
I just want a nice X-Men slice of life TV series already
>>84102901
Uh???
>>84100303
Someone uses the reality gem to bring heroes in to fight Thanos.
>>84105053
PREVIOUSLY, ON X-MEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfmqSOr2-NY
>>84104843
If that was the US domestic gross, it would have been acceptable. As the global gross, it's pretty bad. Remember, there's less return on international sales.
>>84103931
>>84103825
Please some Mutants
As much as individual characters from the X-Men Franchise would be an amazing get for Marvel, as a whole, the whole Mutants are feared and hated schtick wouldn't fit in with the MCU at all and therefore I can't imagine any kind of organic deal being struck.
The Fantastic Four however are my number 1 wish for the MCU. Both because the First Family would fit in very nicely to the established mythos but more importantly because Doom, Galactus, Kang, The Skrulls etc.
>>84104843
the marketing budget was pretty big for FF, so yeah, it lost money
Fantastic Four back at Marvel would be wonderful. X-Men should stay separated. Besides, I think the X-Men brand is pretty tarnished by poor quality, with Deadpool being an obvious exception.
I could foresee Marvel making a deal to get back the FF in exchange for letting FOX do some X-Men merch.
>>84105799
I'd be happy if they exchanged F4 for giving Fox the rights for X-Men TV shows.
>>84099948
so basically fox is like "wow we really wish marvel would stop abusing the products we own the movies rights to in an attempt to sabotage our ticket sales but like fuck are we actually going to concede anything in a deal with them" and marvels like "tough shit, gonna sink the value of those properties then buy em back 50 years down the line because thats the only move that involves no risk on our part"
>>84100049
Actually, outside Deadpool, most of Fox's stuff is under performing this year.
Bull. Fox knows they've got a license to print money and Deadpool proved it. They're going to double down on the X-Men start putting out more spin-offs and reboot Fantastic Four into a kids movie franchise. Fox isn't Sony.
>>84106060
You're fucking stupid if you actually believe that. Fox is so short sighted and unable to properly adapt comic movies that they had to reboot Fantastic Four three times, each less successful than the last, their only good high money making movies were 16 years ago with X-1 and X-2, AND they had so little faith that Deadpool was going to be a popular, well loved, money making movie that they gave Deadpool a bare minimum amount of funding, which they later took some away from later down the line, little to no marketing, and it STILL managed to beat out every other single last entry in their comic line up for the last 16 years. In short, Fox is like WB and Sony, shit when it comes to making good comic movies.
>>84105957
What if Avatar 2, 3 and 4 bomb?
>>84107232
I doubt they'll make Avatar 3 and 4 if 2 bombs, man, which it probably will.
Just like the first Alice movie, Avatar made a fuckload of money because of being one of the first big 3D movies, and now Alice 2 flopped.
>>84104843
>budget 120m
>gross 167m
You do realize that's worldwide gross, right? So Fox didn't actually get 167 million?
>>84104843
>it didn't eat as hard of a dick as real bombs
>Its low financial performance led to it being categorized as a box office bomb.[5][6][97] It was dubbed the second biggest box office bomb of 2015, behind Tomorrowland, estimating the film's losses to be between $80–100 million.[98][99]
>>84106212
little to no marketing for Deadpool? you lost me there m80
>>84102825
Sony cooperated with Marvel because they thought ASM was underperforming, not because it lost money.
Fox could always decide that any of their Marvel franchises would be more successful as part of the MCU, with production farmed out to Disney.
>>84105230
I'd please this mutant.
>>84107632
Would.
If this happens, it'll probably be something with the Fantastic Four. Less of a headache then trying to reboot X-men AGAIN and work it into the MCU.
>>84104197
>Wakanda's isolationist. Doom's too egocentric for that shit.
You don't need Doom to START off as Doom. He could still be working his way up.
>>84107632
It's not like she would leave that choice up to you.
>>84099948
>source is the producer of a podcast of a fat washed up comedy director
Fuck off.
>>84107632
Muh dick.
>>84100303
I'd just do an X-Men film that happens to be in the MCU. Mutants have been around for a long time, and the X-Men are already established, so it wouldn't be some thing about mutants being "discovered" for the first time.
Maybe I'd do a Schism film that splits the team. Then, a film for the Wolverine side where he tries to teach a new generation of mutants, and a film for the Cyclops side, where he founds the X-Tinction team. Maybe also an X-Force film. And then, Avengers vs. X-Men.
>>84107313
Yea.... but they got back the 120m, unlike say Victor Frankenstein, cost 40m got 34m. You think Fox is looking at doing a Frankenstein sequel? They still got another 12m from DVD/blu-ray sales.
>>84107376
Well... that's wrong. It deserves to be panned because it was bad, but the label of box office bomb is incorrect when the studio is able to recoup the cost of the film.
>>84113106
Showing films in theatres is not free, and international box office is much less profitable than domestic one due to things like foreign taxes and such.
Plus, you don't spend 120 million to earn maybe 10 million.
>>84102981
that's some fucking bad writing there. This is what happens when arm chair critics or fans try do it 'better' and you get 'tell that to Zod's snapped neck.'
>>84102851
because it was horrible
>>84113192
I love how people were genuinely angry at that, so mad that they tried to force it into a meme.
>>84102851
>have Wanda in the movies
>she's an actual hero
>wanting the first live action Scarlet Witch to get Bendis'd
>>84113122
>Showing films in theatres is not free, and international box office is much less profitable than domestic one due to things like foreign taxes and such
Yes, but they get different amounts of different times. A bigger cut of the opening weekend gross, vs the 3rd week. Also the tax of international differs by country. It's incredibly stupid to say they get less. It depends what china feels like doing too, they don't tax the same movies the same way, some of them get taxed more. UK and AUS may not tax them much at all. I see people post "international tax is higher" all the time on here, it's bullshit, it depends on the country.
>>84113333
hmmm. my first quads. and with extra dubs. it feels good to be right
>>84103734
To be fair, there is a big gaping hole where a country once stood. And from the ashes of Sokovia shall rise a nation unlike the world has ever seen. The nation of Latveria!! It shall grow strong, while the whole world trembles, under the guidance of DOOM!
>>84113333
Go be irrelevant somewhere else, DCfriend.
>>84113106
I don't think you actually understand how domestic and international box office works. They didn't get back $167 million like you think they do. They most likely didn't even get $120 million back.
http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/photos.htm
>Ritualistically every Monday, the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Variety and other newspapers publish the weekly box-office grosses in an authoritative-looking table. Unlike the bygone era when Hollywood studios owned their own theaters, nowadays these dazzling box-office grosses have little if any, relation to the profits of Hollywood studios. For one thing, these “grosses” are not that of the studios but that of the independently-owned movie houses. The movie houses eventually remit–after deducting their share and the so-called “house allowance”– between 40 and 50 percent of the gross in America. Overseas, the studios get even less.
In other words, if you apply that to Fant4stic it means that if Fox is lucky, they only got back $83 million.
>>84113368
>implying I care about DC
wrong. try again
>>84113408
Can't be a Foxfag since those don't exist.
>>84113533
true. I'm anX-fag and I don't care about dismarvel
The point is reading your post feels like a mix of fanfics with rampant fanboyism amped to eleven. The word "Cringe" doesn't give you a justice.
also, after a second thought there is this weird obsession with ruining the X-Men by making them play second fiddle to shitvengers. I mean, Avengers are basically one of the worst comic books in the existence. Why would I want Wolverine to be a boy scout in a "government" team?
>>84113397
It really very unlikely they made a profit. The revenue was so low. Your math is off though. It's not a straight cut the box office in half. It's broken down a bit differently.
>opening weekend
25m, say 75% of that so 18m
>rest of the domestic run
and additional 32m, so half that is 16m
>foreign
111m, so it ranges from 40-75%.... so...40-82m
>DVD/blu-ray sales
12m total that's revenue so 50% would be profit 6m.. I think sometimes they get more in first week... but no idea, so we'll just say 6m.
>Streaming/network license
Any where from 100k to 2m. That would be per network/service too.... so this is hard to know. Could be almost nothing, could be 8m.
FF is not a hot property like avengers or hunger games, I doubt anyone pays 2m..... but often they sell these things as package deals prior to the films release, so its possible someone paid millions for it.
So the low end of profit here is 80m, the high end is 124m. So.....Fox might have broken even on fantastic four. I can't see any other avenues of money from the film, but if it cost 120 and they made 124, they probably just posted it as a loss to not have to pay off anyone who was to get a percentage of profits. If fox claims to have profited off FF that would be really surprising.
>>84113682
>so much text about FF
wow, your post is more interesting than FF itself
>>84113682
You forgot to account for marketing and distribution costs
>>84113739
Those usually aren't included because it balances out. Marketing is often taken care of via cross promotional considerations. Like Mercedes helped pay for jurassic worlds advertising because their product was featured in the film. Mercedes paying them a few million while also airing their own ads cuts that down. It's not a film like Hateful Eight, which had 0 cross promotional work. No one drinks a coke or wears tennis shoes in that movie, so all its marketing cost came out of studios pocket.
Now... I haven't actually seen Fant4stic, but... I assume they had modern products in the film and that thus helped balance out the marketing costs. I know Denny's had PIC RELATED, which means Denny's paid Fox for the rights to use their characters, but that's not looked at as film profit because it's part of advertising.
>>84102825
>Fox doesn't have much of a plan outside Deadpool 2 and a potential x-force.
Yeah but, do they need a huge shared universe?
They just need to keep making movies to keep the x-men and fantastic four rights, they are not like marvel studios, their own thing that needs to grow, they are just yet another film franchaise own by fox, as long as they keep making money, who cares?
>>84102874
Can you imagine if they introduce the Powerpuff girls into the DC extended universe???
>>84113739
>>84113803
I think it seemed like they were trying to minimize the marketing costs. They had that plane flying a banner somewhere.
How do you want your xmen movies senpai?
Just quip my shit up
>>84099948
>Fox and Marvel have... kind of talked, but not really, but like
>>84100303
The X-Gene has become more and more active since the the Battle of New York.
Mutants were always there, they just weren't in very large numbers. Now kids everywhere are starting to develop powers and it's freaking everyone the fuck out.
It's not the most consistent, but I'm willing to cut corners for story's sake.
>>84113682
Huh, that does make a lot more sense.
>they probably just posted it as a loss to not have to pay off anyone who was to get a percentage of profits.
I think they probably did have an actual loss because they outright refer to it as underperforming in other articles. You don't think Star Wars is a box office bomb even though they actually do use what you refer to, in order to avoid paying David Prowse.
>>84107632
I would kill to see her call Fassbender daddy.So would he.
>>84114009
The whole reason Perlmutter killed the FF (and is trying to axe the X-Men) is because he and FOX had a nasty fight when Disney wanted the rights back. With him out of the picture, it's probable that they've resumed at least some talk, especially now that they've had two bombs in a row.
I mean look at Sony's deal - they get a guaranteed hit in return for letting them use the character. FOX is probably wondering why they're investing so much time and effort into it when they can just outsource it back to Marvel.
>>84114121
disney had bombs? or fox?
>>84114162
FOX
>>84114162
Fox. Disney is on a winning streak right now
>>84114162
Fox.
Fantastic 4, and X-Men Apocalypse which made only 500 million, 250 less than DOFP.
Not a bomb, but a heavy underperformer.
They know the X-Men aren't as popular as before, they are losing Hugh Jackman, and they can't depend all on Deadpool.
>>84114195
really, because Alice in wonderland was a flop, as well as that other movie I can't remember the name
which fox movies bombed in a row.
>>84114208
>X-Men Apocalypse
>bomb
you nigga crazy. of course, it making less than DOFP is not good, but it's not something that will make them panic.
>>84114208
>they can't depend all on Deadpool.
Outside of the fact they depended all on Wolverine?
>>84114121
The fight started long before that though. Unless Disney was trying to get the FF rights back years ago. It might've been the Scarlet Witch/Quicksilver incident that made Perlmutter go ballistic and demand to get rid of the FF and deemphasize the X-Men further.
>>84114243
Disney has the three highest grossing movies of the year and the only movie this year that has surpassed 1 billion, and who knows how Finding Dory and Rogue One will end up.
>>84114254
all of it is wishful thinking on their part
I am more than certain that Deadpool 2 will be slammed mercilessly on /co/, because "GIB BACK TO MARBEL"
>>84114296
>i'm a fanboy for stating facts
You prefer if I outright lied or something?
Please, give an actual reply.
>>84114243
If thinking Disney has been on a box office spree this year, then yeah I'm a disneycuck
>>84114303
why do you care so much about disney performing well? do you check every movie they make? what is your plan? especially here, on /co/?
>>84114254
Unless they are willing to sabotage the X-Men movies' tone and shoehorn Deadpool into everything, they can't do much.
>>84114315
I don't?
I was just stating a fact, this began with this.
>>84114162
Someone mentioned that Disney was on a winning streak, which is true.
Aside from Alice 2 which I have no idea who the hell thought it was a good idea to make.
>>84114332
>winning streak,
>except
how can it be a winning streak, if they had a flop?
>>84114329
>stating facts is shilling
If you just don't want to accept facts, just close your eyes, cover your ears and shout.
Don't start insulting everyone because you don't like reality.
>>84114339
They were on a winning streak.
Civil War, Zootopia and Jungle Book.
Alice bombed, but it's understandable since absolutely no one asked for a sequel to a movie that people only watched because of the 3D.
>>84114355
>state facts
>WOW WHY DO YOU SHILL SO MUCH
Why are you so angry over facts?
What's your motivation?
Why do you want to refuse to see reality so much?
Would you rather have me tell you that Civil War, Jungle Book and Zootopia were bombs?
Would that make you happy?
Want me to lie to you to make you happy?
>thread was going well
>autist starts calling everyone a shill
>ruined
Where are the mods when they are useful.
>>84114382
>/co/
>mods
>>84114357
Now, that's better.
>>84114366
I am genuinely curious why do you need to fight over the good name of disney. I personally don't really care about them, I only care for X-Men. And I don't want disneyfied X-Men. This is my motivation. What is yours?
>>84114282
It'll be talked about for a week, and then forgotten.
What made Deadpool so great is that the team had full creative control, and now that it's the highest grossing Fox capeshit, that thing's going to get executive meddle'd to death.
>>84114391
Someone mentioned Disney and Fox, asked which one had several flops in a row, said Fox and not Disney since they were on a streak and only had one flop.
>>84114398
It is a possibility. But I guess that people might get bored of the DP shtick, considering that it wears off pretty quickly. And if they go with the "more of the same", well. The possibility of Cable might be the most important factor
>>84114407
>mentioning that Disney has had a lot of successes this year is praising the mouse
I think we should add a trigger warning before mentioning anything related to Disney, don't want to offend the feelings of the fanboys from the other slammed franchises.
>>84114412
Aha, so everyone is wrong, because Fox had one flop, last year, and Disney isn't on the winning streak.
>>84114355
This isn't /v/. Shills aren't real Anon, it's time to let go.
>>84114412
Should have mentioned WB which had several flops in a row. Or Sony which also had several flops in a row. Or Universal which also had several flops in a row.
>>84114438
One could say that Fox has winning streak as well with DOFP, DP and Apocalypse, as these three movies are the top earners in X-Men franchise.
>>84114444
You got into this thread to be offended and derail it completely.
Mods, clean the trash.
>>84114454
They are on a personal winning streak, they are quite mediocre results, but then again, the X-Men franchise has never been too popular.
>>84114444
What a perfectly good waste of quads.
Go home and think about what you did.
>>84114465
>checking your own digits
Just fuck off to Reddit, you obnoxious kid.
>>84114466
exactly. and frankly, I'm happy with the hierarchy. X-Men are good enough to keep going, but not overly good, so they would be meddled like the avengers.
>>84114470
ha ha no. the quads revealed the shill, which is you, I guess?
>>84114482
>so they would be meddled like the avengers.
Apocalypse is the result of meddling, and Deadpool 2 will suffer from such meddling since it fell victim to it's own success, so now it's in the hands of Fox.
>>84114493
>30 minutes calling everyone a shill
lol so mad
>>84114496
>Apocalypse is the result of meddling
But it was a good movie. It had flaws, but it introduced the new cast perfectly. I can't imagine how else they could do it, with a campy villain like Apocalypse
>>84114507
>new cast
>perfectly
>literally no personalities to be seen
Special mention to Sansa, which was simply horrible.
McAvoy and Fassbender are the only decent actors in that clusterfuck.
>>84114454
You're fucking delusional if you think Fox are happy with Apocalypse making 500 while DoFP and DP made 750.
I'm glad.
X-Men is dead, and Fox has destroyed the reputation of the Fantastic 4.
They may keep Deadpool so they have a toy to play alone, though.
>>84114520
>literally no personalities to be seen
Jean Grey was a classy bitch
Cyke was a reluctant team leader
Nightcrawler was this yuropoorfag, who was amazed by everything
Jubes was cute sweetheart
Quicksilver a lovable neet
Beast was a cuck
The only person without personality would be Mystique, but then again, I hope she's out.
>>84114274
First off, it was MARVEL trying to get the rights back, and it goes back to the unreleased Corman FF movie.
Story goes, Stan Lee did a lot of coke with Bernd Eichinger who convinced him he would make Fantastic Four look as glorious and captivating on screen as Superman looked. Deal was done, Marvel was fucked and they didn't even know it.
Bernd Eichinger, makes the corman film, keeps the rights at Constantin Film and eventually partners up with Fox. Marvel had 0 say in this. They wanted to renegotiate contracts, but Marvel was going bankrupt, they didn't have the time or the money for any BS>
They try to work with Fox and Constantin Film for the 05 and 07 fantastic four movies, but it's rough going. They give stan lee fat cameos cause FF is his baby.
Its when Bernd Eichinger died and they thought maybe now that this stubborn coke headed kraut is gone they could work something out and get FF back.... but nope. They moved forward with shitty FF reboot. Around this time is when FF comics kept getting relaunched and not kept as a constant. They're just fucked, the rights are held by this company and the shit head who made the corman film to keep them pretty much wins, and the coke Stan Lee did? Totally all gone
>>84114534
I don't care if they are happy. I am happy. And frankly, it's better it happened that way, because it will force them to think differently.
>>84114542
BAHAHAHA holy shit I remember you, the one who said that Apocalypse was ''angry grandad'' or something like that when the movie came out.
Man, and here I thought everyone who defend this turd was gone.
Gotta say, your attempts were hilarious.
>>84114557
>recognizing anons
Holy shit, now this is the new level of low.
Don't you think that you spend too much time on /co/?
>>84114542
>this cringeworthy attempt at forcing their personalities
Yes anon, Jubilee's 5 minutes of screentime, such a sweetheart.
Yup.
Great personalities, incredible characteristics.
>>84114583
Well, she is the kind of person that makes new students feel at home. That's pretty cute
>>84114576
Holy fuck it's really you.
Dude, write the personality of the others, I need screencap since some other anons didn't believe me when I said one tried to say that the walking plot devices from Apocalypse had personality.
What was it exactly
>angry grandad because he doesn't like the new age
or some shit like that, right?
Post them all.
>>84114595
Oh yeah, from that one of her two scenes in the entire movie.
Yeah, her personality was oozing throughout the movie.
And who can forget about Jean, the classy bitch!
We all know how much of a classy bitch she is!
Haha.
>>84114596
I don't remember, t b h
Feel free to do it yourself
Nah, give the Fantastic 4 back, and let Fox alone try to revive X-Men's vegetative corpse on it's own, they are not needed.
Maybe in Phase 5 or 6, but with Galactus and the new Avengers after IW it'll be enough for a long time.
>>84114610
Much more personality than Hawkeye, or Black Widow, amirite :^)
What is Iron Man's personality, beside being smug bastard?
>>84114622
Oh no, they don't have any personality, almost no character in any superhero movie has, that's why i'm laughing at someone who unironically tries so hard at giving them one, even to characters who don't have more than 10 lines or 4 minutes of screentime.
Would be the equivalent of trying to give Maria Hill a personality.
>>84114596
Wait a minute, do you admit of being that shill who constantly does the same threads everyday with the exact same responses? Are you behind that copypasta with "why it would be good for X-Men to be swallowed by MCU"?
>>84114646
>Oh no, they don't have any personality
I'm glad that we agree on this.
>>84114656
Nope, haven't even watched Civil War yet, but I did watch Apocalypse and I didn't like it one bit.
Just here to see the fallout from that movie since seeing the aftermath of underperforming movies is more entertaining than the more succesful ones.
>>84114668
Are you a stormfag? I think I recognize your style from CBR
>>84114664
No we don't, since you tried hard at giving them one.
We already forgot about Jean the classy bitch?
Haha.
>>84114677
Nope, extremists are human trash and the world would be better off getting rid of all of them, which ironically, is an extremist thought, but that's irrelevant.
>>84114679
Haha. Nice damage control
>>84114687
Extremists are people who need a hug.
From what I see, there will be more Deadpool in the future. Case in point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k52z71ty28E
>>84099948
I knew this'd happen . I FUCKING KNEW IT. First Justice League turns into a memefest and now X-Men's following the same route. All I wanted was good & serious stories. Is that too much to ask for?
>>84115113
It's not going to happen. It's just some shills trying to piss you off.
>>84115126
Justice League: Dawn of memes was confirmed by Snyder himself. Also the jew producer of Xmen said something along the lines of "building bridges with Disney"
Mememagic is real
>>84115142
I refuse to believe it. Gib me sauce, and I see how much of it is panic, and how much of it is legit.
>>84115165
Justice memes:
http://comicbook.com/dc/2016/06/21/barry-allen-meets-bruce-wayne-in-first-clip-from-justice-league/
AvX: Age of memes:
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/tim-miller-and-simon-kinberg-want-x-men-avengers-marvel-crossover
>>84115222
Thanks for links.
I'm reading them now.
Okay. JLA concerns me.
>"You're the batman"
>for you
However, it's a description. I hope that when I see it, it won't be as cringey.
The other article seems like a copypaste of an older article (also on comicbooknews), from before the DOFP. I swear I remember reading something similar for a long time. They are really shilling for that idea, and it's weird that they feel certain it will happen, especially that DP's director mentioned (in an article on CBR) that it would be a legal nightmare for AvX to happen, so at this point they only fantasize about it.
tl;dr I call bullshit on the second rumor, while I'm concerned with the first
>>84115113
Apocalypse was the best X movie because it WASN'T serious and Fan4stic was far, far, FAR from good.
>>84114390
The term is "windjammer".
>>84115564
>he doesn't live like a windrammer as he fucks
>>84113338
>but they got back the 120m
>but they get different amounts of different times.
the overall return is ~50% of the gross and it depends just as much on how the distributors think the movie will perform - if they know it's going to flop, they'll ask (and usually get) more (maybe 60%) on the key weekends; their overheads are non-negligible and an average 10% occupancy of theaters would be a good result over the entire run (and therefore the average business day) of any cinema; that's the only time they're making money at all, let alone profit; remember also that if you have a region which is still coming out to see your movie in the hundreds daily after 8 weeks, that's where you'll want to stay open - and the chains know this and will make you pay for it, because as long as there's something stronger at the box office, and there almost always is, they can just put that on instead unless you're offering a better deal
tax for studios is a different thing entirely; they're writing off losses in other countries (tax already paid) against their US tax liabilities, but also against production costs in various filming locations and the tax paid there - this is how nations and states within nations encourage filmmakers to use them as locations - and that's extremely variable, depending on spend and when the money was spent/claim was submitted in most cases
FOX probably never saw 50% of that 168m, and the budget figure doesn't include marketing, which takes it to closer to a $168m budget (for comparison, low-budget offering Deadpool spent more than $7m just on domestic tv spots in February this year - from a much larger marketing budget); the losses therefore become pronounced, but even if they'd broken even - that's $120m over 3 years that could have been spent elsewhere and made essentially no money as an investment
nobody would invest in that again
>>84113803
>Like Mercedes helped pay for jurassic worlds advertising because their product was featured in the film.
Yeah, that means they provided all the vehicles you saw "for free", including the stunts, the standbys, the crew to look after them, not that they paid cash money to the producers as well. It's not counted as part of the budget because the studio didn't pay it, but it's still technically part of the production cost.
The other thing promos do is have a tie-in at, say, Denny's. Now Denny's will put together a menu and you'll OK it and then *you'll pay them money to produce it* and depending on how well it sells, which also depends on whether you bought a chain-wide deal or targeted it in key areas, you might make a profit from the percentage you get back - but again, it's not a naive "here's our product, we're going to tie it to your movie that we haven't even seen and pay you for the privilege" deal.
And this is the same everywhere. You get a Happy Meal toy? You're paying for those to be manufactured and getting a cut from every meal that includes one. You're on a cereal box? You paid to use that space and you'll get back pennies from every box sold, but you also paid for the free gift inside or the competition prize or whatever. You have to drive their sales harder to make money that way.
>>84099948
Avengers vs Xmen would be a pretty big box office if Marvel does it. Nobody saw The Avengers Cuvil war out doing Batman vs Superman. I'm still perplexed.
>>84102901
I've tried but they keep busting nuts on my face. I just want to be entertained, not jinxed over and told I'm too stupid to understand Snyder's knuckle glazers.
>>84113294
So was Civil War.
FF is literal perfection for the MCU. The MCU is so light hearted and fun that FF would fit quite cozy. For some reason Fox is holding on to FF with dear life and the fans don't make it better because they're hyping a MCU FF movie up so Fox doesn't wanna budge on a deal strictly due to pride. On top of that the FF cosmic universe is worth that cheddar so they ain't gonna give it to Mravel studios. Not for cheap. They KNOW they're sitting on a gold mine, they just can't figure out how to get the drills to work
>>84115113
>memefest
What does this even mean? Does it mean dialogue that is actually good and memorable? Please stop making up problems with perfectly good films so you can toot your company wars horn.
Shit, man, I recently was forced to watch the new Independence Day. That shit reminded me how fresh and fun all these films are compared to actual by-the-numbers Hollywood tripe, and why they've been met with success.
>>84115222
>>84115142
>>84115113
What's up with you and memes? Marvel has no control over what the fanbases create content wise. I find MCU dialog charming.
>>84115113
If you only argument is "Reed normies and memes" then you have no argument. Probably part of /tv/s hive mind
>>84099948
>wanda change history, again
>>84102744
Please God, no. Look at what happened to Wanda after HoM, and how her character has struggled ever since. Total mess. Feige would not want to have that headache.
Besides, people here keep angrily insiting there's no Chthon in the MCU, and without him Wanda does not have that kind of power.
>>84113803
>Black Human Torch
>Human Torch Skillet
>Big, dark and thick sausage
>>84099948
Please know, if they do that it would felt like a huge clusterfuck. I mean wouldn't Spiderman,hulk and other heros be considered the same as a mutant?
>>84104155
It makes more sense to use Zeno and Sokovia for those plot points right now,
Here's a translation of that stupid "news" story: someone at Fox inevitably had a conversation about how their literally direct competitor did a thing that wasn't completely stupid and that it isn't entirely outside the realm of possibility to do the same thing because they obviously can't do anything right.
Someone overheard them and blew it out of proportion to get clicks out of gullible idiots.
Of course they fucking talked about it. Why the fuck wouldn't they. It doesn't mean anything.
>>84119148
What if Doom creates Latveria from the ashes of Sokovia
>>84102672
reverse hous of m
>more mutants
>>84102874
DC's too busy trying to figure out how to get batman and Superman to make money.
Meanwhile, Marvel's breaking bank with fucking Ant-Man.
>>84100303
The two universes merge together after Infinity War, creating an entirely new timeline with elements of both worlds.
>>84111905
>Schism
>AvX
Fucking kill yourself
>>84119349
WB figured it out.
Throw more Batman at it.
If this actually happened...would Marvel stop shitting on mutants?
>>84120899
Probably.
Editorial maintains that there is no correlation between the current direction of X-Men stuff, Inhumans, etc, and the film rights. But editorial apparently thinks everyone else is as dumbfuck retarded as they are.
>>84115778
>not that they paid cash money to the producers as well.
You're making it sound like Universal did not get money from Mercedes though. They did. Mercedes absolutely paid Universal to feature their product. This money doesn't go into budget...in most cases, because it may be paid for till after the film is released. Budget will have to come from other areas.
Not every deal is the same. Some license deals worth on a percentage of the revenue or profit. Toy sales are often done like that. Michael bay was getting some 4% of transformers movie toy profits.
Other deals do not require profits to be followed allowing for flexible pricing, but limited quanitities of the license to be made. Like when Star wars episode 7 came out and it was on EVERYTHING. Even bags of oranges had stickers. They didn't pay disney each time a bag of oranges sold. This was a different case where they likely got a very cheap deal to put some star wars stickers on the orange sacks. This was Disneys strategy, many many products with their brand on it to push promotion to inescapable levels.
>>84115722
Please see >>84113682 and stop spouting the 50% assumption.
>if they know it's going to flop, they'll ask (and usually get) more (maybe 60%) on the key weekends
lol what?! Id ask how this happens but know its bullshit. Just stop bullshitting, someone already answered why FF didnt profit better than you did without making shit up.
>>84113682
>111m, so it ranges from 40-75%
Where would it be 75%?
>>84122381
>than you did without making shit up.
What makes you think >>84113682 isn't making shit up while >>84115722 is?
>>84122539
Some countries don't tax it at all and the studio gets 75% opening weekend just like in the US, some tax 10%, sometimes china is an asshole and taxes 100%
Seriously.... China has a few times withheld profits from studios cause they felt like being an asshole. It doesn't happen often but man.... fuck china.
It varies on country each country and each film, but largely big summer movies are treated the same. You need each individual countries box office and dates and do the math that way. We don't know all that. Saying they get 40% could be wrong, 75% could be wrong. Without knowing the details its fair to do a range.
>>84105153
I have thought in something similar, Thanos uses the Reality Gem on Earth, mixing both universes (Fox and Marvel).
>>84100303
Take inspiration from AvsX, but only in regards to the concept of the Avengers and X-Men coming to blows. So basically, it's kind of a mish mash of the first Avengers and Civil War.
The fallout of the Infinity War inadvertently creates and distributes the Mutant X gene across the world, gradually giving birth to mutants, as well as institutions meant to harbor and cultivate them (Xaevier's school, the Brotherhood, etc) and public movements against their burgeoning existence.
Because honestly, it's ridiculous to go three Phases of movies and come Phase 4, suddenly up and say Mutants were around all along, they were just a gobmint secret.
The best way to go about it would be for the gems to undergo a reaction that would bring about the creation of mutants. Eventually tying the Avengers into it would be pretty easy goings from there - they'll be trying to protect the rights and lives of the more ostracized Mutant population, and in doing so eventually come into contact with the X-Men. Initially unaware of their mission, the Avengers fight to defend their Mutant charges from the X-Men, under the presumption that they intend to disappear the Mutants off to an unpleasant fate. The X-Men are going "none of your business", thus resulting in mutual distrust between the teams. Eventually, the Avengers discover the truth of the X-Mens' presence, with Professor X apologizing and rationalizing that although he admires and respects the Avengers, he didn't want the growing Mutant population involved in the Avengers' escapades as recent history has shown that they attract more trouble than necessary. Professor X and Magneto acquired their powers from possible HYDRA experiments with the Tesseract during World War II, giving HYDRA a reason to take part in the Holocaust. They'd hidden themselves away until the aftermath of the Inifnity War resulted in much more of their "kind", which causes an idealistic schism in their relationship.
>>84123204
Xavier and Magneto hadn't used their powers all this time except when situations demanded their necessity. They were unwilling participants in potentially dangerous experiments shrouded as a means of extermination, so naturally they'd hate what they're given until they see others suffering persecution for their abilities.
It's rough, and there are probably some holes, but that's a pretty basic framework of how I'd go about it.
it pains me how desperate are mcucks to ruin the x-men. just fuck off and die
>>84123397
X-Men doesn't need the MCU to ruin them.
I mean, one of the X-Men movies is considered one of the worst superhero movies ever made, and Apocalypse just proved that people are no longer interested in it.
>>84123458
I'm talking about mcucks. Your ideas are super-cringe, just like your taste in movies.
>>84123488
Why them?
It's the guys in the suits who decide these things.
And those guys in suits are the ones who are already ruining X-Men.
>>84123397
>>84123488
So, which franchise you like did the MCU kill?
Don't think someone would bleed out of their anus for no reason.
>>84123488
>super-cringe
Why do you speak like a Redditor?
Are you a Redditor?
Maybe you should go back, Redditor.
>>84123397
The X-men franchise has always been shit. They only thing Fox ever gets right is there actor choices sans reboots.
>>84123397
It's not like you have a say in this matter, really doubt the X-Men and Fantastic 4 won't be in the MCU by Phase 4.
>>84123511
Again, I'm talking about you.
I don't know why do you have a need to constantly make threads with "gib x-men back to marvel", but it's really exhausting how much you shill it daily. With the same arguments, and even posts.
>>84123529
I don't care about mcu, there is a reason, why I don't want X-men in the mcu, and it's the fact that other franchises just steal X-men characters.
>>84123551
fuck off
>>84123579
Good, go wank to your winter cable soldier
>>84123590
Yeah right, keep dreaming.
You can make a thread about it tomorrow, and day after it, and nothing is going to change the fact that X-men will be forever separated from mcu.
>>84123594
I'm not OP, just here to read.
It's funny how it's easy to rile Disney Internet Defense Squad
>>84123614
Not really, Fox knows very well X-Men being in the MCU would make them gross a lot more, and they need that now after Apocalypse being such a massive underperformer.
The Fantastic 4 are going back, that's for sure, and it'll be enough to have a couple more phases with Galactus and Silver Surfer.
The X-Men will be tricky to insert in the MCU, but I bet they are already thinking about that.
>>84123579
*X-men Movie franchise
>>84123650
Fox is not as retarded as sony.
They survived Origins and Last Stand, and they can survive Apocalypse, who only earned 500 million (the third best-selling movie in X-franchise)
>>84123579
I'm sorry that you consider X2 shit. Or Deadpool. Or DOFP. Or First Class. Or Apocalypse.
>>84123685
Yes, by bringing back Singer, but even him can't deliver anymore.
They are losing pretty much all the new cast, so they'll probably reboot, and make the deal then.
You said it yourself, Fox is not retarded, they know what to do to earn money.
>>84123700
The only legitimately good movie in there is X2.
DOFP, First Class and Apocalypse were boring and mediocre, and Deadpool was an MCU movie taking the quipping to unseen and cringeworthy lengths.
Couldn't stand the shitty ''LOL2RANDUMB'' attempts at humor.
>>84123702
They would be retarded if they made a deal with marvel, and that's a fact. They already lost DD, they're not going to lose anything else.
It's more probable that mcu will implode, rather than X-Men, especially that they exist for almost 20 years as a movie franchise, and they are planning to release much more movies. New Mutants? X-Force? DP 2? Wolverine 3?
Yup, Fox is def going to make a deal with marlel.
>>84123735
Okay.
>>84123579
That Mystique downgrade.
>>84123753
>They already lost DD, they're not going to lose anything else.
They wouldn't, they would do deal like Sony's.
Fox gets to keep the movies and their profits for themselves, and in return they get the box office bump from the MCU, and Marvel gets to use those characters in other movies.
>New Mutants? X-Force?
Wouldn't be surprised if these two were cancelled, just like the silently cancelled Gambit or Justice League Dark.
>DP 2? Wolverine 3?
One will come out in 2017, and the other in 2018, perfect time to make a deal by the time Phase 4 begins in 2020.
>>84123753
Fox has been limping on mediocre box office results for those 20 years though.
Iron Man was the first MCU movie and it already was more profitable than any X-Men movie by then.
BvS was shit, it was the second movie of the DCEU, and it already made more than any Fox superhero movie.
Fox has always been the Nintendo of superhero flicks.
>>84123756
J-law looks like a cheap cosplayer here.
>>84123756
>supposed to be younger
>looks fatter and older
Seriously, what the fuck happened with the latest movies, it's a gigantic miscast aside from McAvoy and Fassbender.
>>84123805
You keep pushing your narrative, but it's not going to happen.
The difference is, Sony was clueless about Spider-Man, about it's worth, and about possibilities. They also already had a better merchandise deal. They also don't have bad blood over Star Wars.
At worst, Fox would just do a FF-tier movie just to keep the rights. That's a fact, because they already did it. But for that to happen, the X-Men would have to really really flop.
And all the reviews (both negative and review) point out that the new cast is very promising, so here you go.
>>84123832
Iron Man is another reason I don't want X-Men being part of MCU. The last thing I want to see in X-Men movie is Robert Downey syndrome Jr.
>>84123874
>At worst, Fox would just do a FF-tier movie just to keep the rights.
If they keep doing movies to keep the rights, Marvel can legally sue them for that and they would take those rights away from them.
>>84100303
If they start from scratch then, a new race that emereged thanks to Hydra super soldier experimentations or something like that.
If I have to fit the current X universe into the Marvel one, then parallel universe shenanigans.
>>84123895
Then why they didn't sue them for F4?
Jesus christ, it's like talking to a drone
>>84123700
Okay, okay. They got Deadpool right, I'll give them that. As for my comment on the reboot actors, I forgot how good Fassbender is as young Mags. But that's all I''ll give them.
>>84123874
>And all the reviews (both negative and review) point out that the new cast is very promising, so here you go.
I don't care.
Nobody of the new cast standed out, aside from Sansa, for being a horrible actress.
Oscar Isaac was completely wasted, don't know what the fuck was Olivia Munn doing in this movie, and...
That's it, can't remember anything else.
Don't know if it's the fault of the writers or of the actors.
>>84123909
It has to be a repeated case.
If they keep making Fantastic 4 movies every 10 years to keep the rights, Disney will sue them and get the rights for whatever they pay the lawyers.
Look it up, they can legally do it.
You can't just release turds to keep the rights.
>>84123753
>>84123805
>X-Force
I'm not sure that was ever actually on. I know Rob Liefeld got all starfucker over a studio tour or a call from someone's PA or something, but I don't recall a solid announcement, just Rob talking about what was obviously just his automated notification that he would get a writing credit on a project they were considering (but not any actual money).
>>84123685
>the third best-selling movie in X-franchise
It's still the fifth, behind X2 (fourth) and X3 (third). I think. Might be fourth.
It could end up third, just? Would need to end on about $550m worldwide to beat X3's inflation adjusted gross.
Now, on audience attendance... it's not even fifth. Not even close.
>>84123044
It's usual to get 50% of the gross in the US. The rest goes to the distributors.
You pay tax on it all, because nominally it's all your money, you just owe 50% to the distribution chain's various players.
>sometimes china is an asshole and taxes 100%
Nobody ever taxes 100%, don't talk shit.
> China has a few times withheld profits from studios
No, again, they seriously haven't done that. China has businesses just like everybody else in the world - you pay your transaction cost and the money goes to the company, not the government.
If you mean they apply transfer taxation on money leaving the country, sure - but every country does that. It's why US companies spend so much on accountants to make it look like they're not spending money, just repaying loans they took out.
>>84123927
>I don't care.
I forgot that you only care when you want to post the rating.
>>84123946
I would love to see that happen. Of course there is a cheaper, and faster way to get FF back, but Disney is too petty for that.
>You can't just release turds to keep the rights.
Tell that to McDonalds.
Also, the last time I checked we lived in a capitalist country, so if someone wants to release turd, they have a right to. Just like marvel has a right to sabotage their own brand.
I wonder if we should count the original 90s X-Men cartoon as a part of Fox-Men? After all, it was made by Fox.
>>84123994
If reviews matter, you agree that Apocalypse was a 4/10?
>>84124051
You don't know how RT works? The rating is 5.6/10, last time I checked, which is pretty fair, considering that the movie is polarizing.
>>84123994
>I would love to see that happen. Of course there is a cheaper, and faster way to get FF back, but Disney is too petty for that.
Not really, the cheap way is taking the rights from them this way, which is probably what Disney wants.
Funny how they offered them to keep the Daredevil rights for longer in exchange for, not the Fantastic 4 rights, but only Galactus and Silver Surfer back in 2014, they refused because they wanted them for Fantastic Flop, and then they made an acclaimed TV show with the DD rights, and Fox released a flop.
>>84124072
For disney, it's definitely a cheaper way, because every year they don't have FF, it's a loss of the possible profits. FF would probably work better in mcu, but we have yet see any confirmation for that.
>>84124108
Really doubt they would make a Fantastic 4 movie as soon as they got the rights.
Maybe introduce them in Infinity War, but they would probably let some time pass so people forget about Fant4stic.
>>84122184
>They didn't pay disney each time a bag of oranges sold.
No, in that situation you would still price up what you thought had sold with the promotion on it and hand over a percentage.
It's the exact same thing. Is it every time? No, because that's what we call "a fucking metaphor". It's never going to be worth the transaction costs to make millions of microtransactions between two companies every day, so you wait until the end of the month and you pay a lump sum based on what you think sold.
If it works out higher than the sum they put in to pay for the stickers on the oranges you sold, they dun gud.
>>84122595
I assume because this is his first time on the internet
>>84122381
>the 50% assumption
It's not an assumption. This is how it works; there's a lot of very well written articles out there if only you'd google it. It's not even a new thing, this is how it's always been. It's called "film rental".
Back in 2013 it was news because the major chains were pushing Disney for 56% (up by about 5%) on Iron Man 3, and Disney were saying even a few days before it opened nope, see who turns up to watch nothing, guys, you can't have it at that price.
It may sound high, but it's really not. It may also sound like there's no big difference between 50 and 55 here, but that may mean tens of millions of dollarydoos to the theaters, which is why they're happy to fight over it when they think they smell a winner or a big, big loser. But the bottom line is, they can't keep going without large amounts of cashflow - and without them, the studios have no currently viable alternative.
>>84124127
Sure, but it's not only movie we talk, it's also merchandise, cartoons, etc. Not to mention Dr Doom, which is actually what marvel really wants
>>84124159
What they want is Galactus so they can have someone bigger than Thanos.
>>84124172
That as well. But Dr Doom is basically the best marvel villain.
