>"You can save her, Kal. You can save all of them."
Great job, Superman.
>>84082792
>"Shit, did I leave the oven on."
>Superman has saved the world 5 times over
>he does nothing but save people
>the fact that he showed up all is evidence that he holds hinself accountable for his actions
>>84082792
>Can hear his girlfriend screaming from Africa
>Cannot hear his mother being raped by Luthor's henchmen.
Why is he so bald?
Bomb was in lead. Read comics for once.
>>84082983
Steroids.
>>84082969
Wasn't her mouth taped?
>>84082969
>can hear a high frequency distress signal in a location he knows lois is at
>can't hear his mom whose mouth was taped over in a major populated city
HACK SYNDER AMIRITE
How much rogaine is he slathering on if he's supposed to have flowing locks next movie?
>>84082994
You know Superman can move fast enough to stop the bomb the millisecond it detonates, right?
>>84083064
If he knew where it was, sure.
>>84083094
It would be the part of the room that suddenly got a lot brighter.
>>84083109
>room
>>84082792
What's the point of a superhero who can't even save people form an explosion? It's like the cheapest trick in the sleeve.
>>84082792
>Is a vigilante
>Condemns Batman for being a vigilante
>>84083139
>Courtroom
>Room
Yeah?
>>84083258
See:
>>84083064
Lead becomes irrelevant after it explodes since Superman can react to it in the blink of an eye.
>>84082994
nice sauce :^)
>>84083156
I mean he didn't have to save everyone but at least give it a try, don't stand there like a zucchini!
>>84082792
Guys, it's okay. The bomb in the wheelchair was lead lined so Superman wouldn't be able to find it. Lex Luthor figured out Superman can see through objects but lead blocks his x-ray vision, because he's an evil genius who spent months studying Superman. Zack Snyder thought of everything, covered all his bases, but then they made the movie shorter and put in Justice League introductions because franchise, and all those bases got uncovered again. It's not Zack's fault.
The movie's not complete shit after all, gang. Ultimate Cut proves it.
Won't you buy it and see?
>>84083057
>a high frequency distress signal
>using headcanons to justify plot holes
>>84083064
This is movie Superman, and every movie adaptation of a hero is nerfed as all fuck.
>>84083292
Lol you have no argument stfu
>>84083467
Yeah just like in Superman 1, where he flown so fast he traveled back in time.
OH WAIT
>>84083428
It's not tho, they showed you it, the little blinky thing in Jimmy's camera.
>>84082994
Well most of us here know Clark cant see through lead, its just that the movies never got around to explaining this and you pulled that out of your ass to justify this scene
>>84082994
>Hey Senator why is there a jar of piss on your podium?
>>84083514
Are we really using that deus ex machina as an example? People make fun of that shot, that's the number one thing normies go to when argiing that Superman lack tension die to being OP AND THEY'RE RIGHT. Writers wrote themselves in a corner with that one man.
>>84083470
Both these superheroes use their powers after the explosion get off:
>>84083312
>>84083156
You may say that Hack Snyder intended Superman to be slower than Quicksilver, but you can't tell me he is slower than Scarlet Witch.
>>84083611
As always Snyderfags ask to be proved wrong and when you do their answer is "b-but you can't use that argument because reasons!"
Keep uo the good work autists.
>>84083514
OK, I'll give you that one. I kind of meant that in more of a general sense, but I probably should have articulated that a little better.
>>84082994
Where was this stated? Does the bomb being in lead prevent him from hearing it?
>>84083712
Superman 1 is an outlier. Anon was wrong in saying "every" superhero movie but you didn't prove anything.
>>84083973
They havent even brought up the lead thing yet so its an asspull. The best reasoning Snyder could give us was "I was distracted" because of all the emotional/political shit. And the funny thing is that I can let the bomb thing slide, but I dont buy Clark being unable to find his mother
>>84083973
The fuck anon? You think lex was using an old timey clock as detonator you silly cunt?
>>84084054
>Bombs don't make noise when they explode
Does this Clark even have reflexes like that? All we've seen so far is hearing and vison, and he doesnt realy seem to fly that fast? How are his reflexes?
What was stopping Superman from going straight to his mom?
>>84084147
He didn't know where she was
>>84084095
You might have to go with the self-aware excuse for this one. Hell Barry can get caught off guard sometimes and his reflexes are greater than Clarks.
>>84084147
Seriously. He can hear Lois drowning during Doomsdays fight yet he cant find his mom? I think a better excuse would have been "Bruce I cant save my mother because they shoot her as soon as they see me"
>>84084095
He grabbed that batman missle but a lot of his speed feats looks to be just sheer momentum. Faora had better reflexes but same deal.
>>84084194
But he's got X-ray vision, super-hearing, and can fly at the speed of sound, he could find her in about 10 minutes.
>>84084020
Explain to me why Superman is slower than Scarlett Witch
>>84083312
>>84083645
The only answer is that Superman doesnt care about people dying around him. But that's is out of character because Superman is not DrManhattan.
But Snyder thinks Watchmen is cool so everyone has to act like a Watchman character.
>>84084246
Yeah but I guess in those 10 minutes he wasnt fighting Batman Lex would have killed his mom or something
>>84082792
>Something is not right here. Is the Senate building always like this? I'm not very sensitive to minute changes in temperature, so I wouldn't know.
>>84083057
Okay, how do you explain how he knew Luthor had Lane on that building.
>>84083559
That was a tracking signal for the CIA, not a "distress signal" for Superman. It was on from the get-go.
>>84084273
How would Lex know he wasn't fighting Batman? He went straight to the Kryptonian ship after telling Supes to fight Batman.
>>84084333
Thats actually another good point. You would think he'd want cameras and enjoy the show
>>84084147
Walls were lined with lead in the warehouse? The movie didn't really explain how in dialogue, and judging from the Ultimate Cut, if the bomb was lined with lead then wouldn't the walls be too?
>>84083019
>>84083057
The books historical talk about how he can hear and distinguish particular heart beats. The entire death of Jonathan in All Star is predicated on the fact that he cannot HEAR Pa's hearbeat until it's too late.
>>84083428
Headcannon is the fan fiction Goyer and Snyder got up to to justify all their stupidity.
>>84084418
But they never mention lead. At least in the extended cut hes bringing the wounded for medical attention
>>84084505
Didn't Jena Malone's character tell Lois that the bomb was lined with lead? In the Ultimate Cut
>>84084147
>>84084194
All he needs is to hear her heartbeat, even if they had given her knock out drugs (which they hadn't) and taped her mouth.
A truly brilliant Luthor would have put her in a lead, sound proof room.
>>84084246
All he needed for this movie is super-hearing. They had already shown in MoS that Clark could filter out every single thing out of a symphony of sounds from heartbeats, to wind outside the walls of the classroom, bird's flying, etc., etc. and just focus purely on Martha's voice.
Her heartbeat, Jonathan's heartbeat (well till that pesky tornado), at this stage, Lois heartbeat would be as natural for him to filter as it would be for you or I to take a breath.
>>84084273
Lex was only seen the physical dust up that everyone else at the Planet could see and the rules were that KGBeast would contact Lex in an hour to get the go-ahead from Lex to kill Martha.
>>84084610
Oh shit youre right, my bad.
>>84083605
Maybe he doesn't want to kinkshame her? Did you ever think of that?
>>84084036
Actually in The Ultimate Cut they do point out that the wheelchair is lined with lead.
>>84084306
Superman didn't know lois was on the building until she was yelling
>>84083057
>can hear a high frequency distress signal in a location he knows lois is at
there weren't any distress signal, lol wut. And i'm pretty sure martha screamed before/while being kidnapped, but I don't quite remember.
also, clark could hear lois falling mid-air when luthor threw her off the building. I'm guessing she used her distress signal again?
Only stupid people can't "grasp" this movie and say "why?" At literally every single frame.
It's a tactic used by ten year olds.
>>84084258
for the same reason Flash sometimes gets caught off guard. They still basically have human minds/reflexes when they arent concentrating.
Lois was yelling when she fell you fucking idiot, and yes Jimmy's camera did have a CIA signal, but thats not even the point, Superman KNEW Lois would be there, so he was keeping tabs on here. Superman was a bit pre-occupied with Batman to be focusing on Martha.
>>84084618
>All he needed for this movie is super-hearing. They had already shown in MoS that Clark could filter out every single thing out of a symphony of sounds from heartbeats, to wind outside the walls of the classroom, bird's flying, etc., etc. and just focus purely on Martha's voice.
That's the best scene in Man of Steel and its the one its Snyderfags love ignoring the most, both for its literal reasons (Clark should be able to hear his mom) and for its symbolic (Small acts of kindness and heroism are more impactful than "he saved the world! remember the seven billion!)
>>84084258
>But that's is out of character because Superman is not DrManhattan.
Get ready for a bunch of not muhs.
>>84085687
well you got the symbolism all wrong in that, but okay. Also he does filter out sounds all the time. Like the reasoning you are giving means that never ever at any time in the comics should any villain be able to capture Lois or Martha ever ever ever. But they do all the time. Sometimes you just have to accept that Superman makes mistakes.
>>84085745
>well you got the symbolism all wrong in that, but okay.
You just don't understand it.
>. Like the reasoning you are giving means that never ever at any time in the comics should any villain be able to capture Lois or Martha ever ever ever. But they do all the time. Sometimes you just have to accept that Superman makes mistakes.
I can fix that plot hole in one move. Have Martha get kidnapped during the fire in Mexico; a fire that Lex's goons set. Clark DOES hear, but he has to make a choice between saving the people in the fire, or saving his mother. The fact that he chooses the less personal option makes him more heroic, and helps justify why he's such a debbie downer during that scene.
>>84085827
You do realize he was "a downer" because ppl were acting like he was a god thus proving the senate's point about how dangerous he could be if he decided to turn.
>>84085655
When it happens to Flash is because he can't see the source of danger. The bomb exploded in front of Superman right as he was watching the guy.
He could have at least leapt trought the source of the explosion in a desperate attempt. He doesn't show any empathy for those in the courtroom.
>>84083645
If Superman is slower than fucking Quicksilver, then that's really sad. He's like the slowest speed hero ever.
>>84084258
Snyder's Superman could easily said these lines. Didn't he go to exile for a while after the bomb?
>>84082994
>>84082792
>>84083064
>>84083292
>>84083428
>>84083645
>>84084258
the only answer is you're trying to fabricate controversy where there is none
as stated in the scene after the explosion when clark talks to lois, he feels guilty for what happened
"i didn't see it because i wasn't looking" or something to that effect
combine that with the bomb being hidden, and him not being shown as being super fast, and the it all fits
now, in regards to martha
he didn't know where she was
lex told clark that if he flew away martha dies
>>84088156
>and him not being shown as being super fast
I don't really mind that Superman couldn't stop the bomb but this is bull shit and you know it.
>he didn't know where she was
He could look, super speed+super hearing+x-ray vision means he could find her in no time.
>lex told clark that if he flew away martha dies
Lex had no way of know if Supes just flew away, he left immediately for the Kryptonian ship and for some reason had no way of watching Superman.
And now that I think about it, why did Lex even keep Martha alive? It's clear he doesn't care about the life of others/
>>84082792
why would he unleash such a horrible thing onto humanity? What did we ever do to them?
>>84088318
>I don't really mind that Superman couldn't stop the bomb but this is bull shit and you know it.
>yeah i get that someone is physically incapable of doing something but it's bullshit
dude, the fuck
>he could look
in a sea of people with shit happening when he has no idea where to look?
>lex had no way of knowing
in the same way the government had no way of tracking clark and doomsday right?
he kept her alive for leverage, in fact she would have been killed if not for bruce's intervention
this is basic shit that was in the movie, the whole all good all powerful dichotomy that lex wanted to expose in clark
>>84088156
Yes, there is nothing wrong with a """"Superman"""" that:
-Is less fast than Quicksilver
-Has less emphaty than DrManhattan
-Has less situational awareness than Scarlett Witch.
There is no controversy at all, everything is fine because it's explained in the extended cut.
>>84082945
>Superman has saved the world 5 times over
Which 5 times? No seriously. The Terraforming device, Zod and Doomsday?
>>84088497
>>yeah i get that someone is physically incapable of doing something but it's bullshit
My point is that he is shown to be incredibly fast several times, you moron.
>in a sea of people with shit happening when he has no idea where to look?
If I remember correctly the movie said that there was literally no one around where the entire Doomsday fight took place, that sounds like it would make finding a person surrounded by armed guards a lot easier for someone with super speed, x-ray vision, and super hearing.
>in the same way the government had no way of tracking clark and doomsday right?
Lex was in the Kryptonian ship with nothing but Doomsday, he didn't have anything that let him see or know what was happening outside.
>>84088551
>Yes, there is nothing wrong with a """"Superman"""" that:
>-Is less fast than Quicksilver
absolutely
>-Has less emphaty than DrManhattan
demonstably not true
>-Has less situational awareness than Scarlett Witch
you mean him not expecting an attack of terrorism at a public hearing?
yeah nothing wrong with that
haven't even brought up the extended cut
>>84088621
Well if you they give you shit and you like eating shit, who am i to tell you to not eat shit?
>>84088551
>complain superman can't stop a bomb he doesn't know about
>would complain if he teleported over and magic'd away the explosion
One of the points of the movie is that Clark pretty much centered all his focus on Lois, to the point where even his mom was left to the sides.
Lex points this out to him.
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>>84082809
>>84088611
>shown to be incredibly fast
never fast enough to contain an explosion
even if he moved, what was he supposed to do, considering he's not superfast
>no one around are of doomsday fight
yeah. which was a different place from where martha was being held. c'mon man
>lex in kryptonian ship
as shown before in he communicates with people outside, even in that scene he mockingly calls to check in
i do admit i worded that poorly, as i could be taken to be implying lex was keeping tabs minute by minute while all i wanted to say is that it's reasonable to expect him to be aware of superman's travel to the batsignal after which he focused on other plans, which is what lex usually does, play a card then focus on something else while that card is in action
either way, the point here is about superman flying to martha, which was definitely disincentivized, and which superman tried to solve by asking for batman's help, which yeah opens some other can of words but the topic here are the moments before that
even if he spent that time looking for her, there's no guarantee that he would have found her or that he would have saved her
>>84083064
The fuck are you talking about?
>>84088719
if you like being a self important idiot who am i to try to show you a way out
>>84088858
You can tell what i will say before i say it? It looks like you have bigger superpowers than Superman.
>>84088948
Yes i indeed like being a self important idiot. As i was saying, Snyder made a big fat dump and you like eating it.
Superman should have put the bomb in his mouth and ate the explosion
That's what muh All-Starman would do
>>84089061
That actually sounds hilarious.
>>84089050
we're not even talking about the movie, we're talking about the logic of superman's powers in one specific instance in one scene. you got jack shit on me my man
>>84088922
>never fast enough to contain an explosion
I'm not arguing against this.
>even if he moved, what was he supposed to do, considering he's not superfast
He IS superfast, I don't know why you're trying to deny this.
>yeah. which was a different place from where martha was being held. c'mon man
The Doomsday fight was all over the place, and since, according to the movie, no one was in any of those locations you'd think that'd narrow down where Supes had to look. Also let's not forget Alfred found her in like five seconds.
>as shown before in he communicates with people outside, even in that scene he mockingly calls to check in
I don't remember him doing this.
And even then we never see him check on Superman and Batman, he was completely oblivious to what was happening out there.
Why do you ignore the parts where I mention Superman's powers? You act like he's just some normal guy, and let's be real here: a smart person with Superman's powers in this movie would have just taken Lex and his guys somewhere where they can't do anything (like contact the other henchmen to kill Martha for example) and then go look for Martha themselves.
But Mr. "I can get to a place so fast you don't even see it happen" doesn't spend not even ONE second looking for his mom. Not a fucking one.
>>84086186
I realize that. And that's stymied by the fact that he's too much of a bitch about it to ever object to it.
>>84088901
To extrapolate on this...
In the movie Superman was feeling overwhelmed and burdened by all the media persecution, his own guilt and shame over the consequences of his action and the fact no one seemed to understand him. As the movie progresses he kept secluding himself more and more inside Lois apartment, the only place where he could feel at ease and be easily understood. Lois was turned into his world.
Lois even pointed out that she feared if their relationship was a good thing, because she didn't know if they could keep being together and him still be himself and do what he needed to do.
That's why Superman always kept an eye on Lois, that's why Lex managed to find his identity by investigating Lois (Lex mentioned this during the rooftop confrontation), that's why Lex managed to complicate Superman by using Lois as bait.
During the rooftop confrontation between Lex and Superman, when Lex said he had someone from Superman's life, the first thing Superman thought about was Lois, who was now safe and sound. This was again to illustrate just how attached to Lois Superman had grown top be.
That's probably why Lex caught Martha so easily. Superman stopped paying attention to her, since she was in Smallville and Superman had Lois 24/7 on his mind.
In the end Superman come the realization that to keep Lois safe, he has to keep the world safe, because they were both his world.
>>84089175
This guys doesn't sound like Superman. Sounds like his sad cousin.
>>84089175
When she's got far too many scenes in Justice League I am going to remember this post and be very sad.
>>84089197
>not muh not muh based capesnyderkino abloo bloo bloo
>>84089197
I kinda agree, but i identified with his character arc.
I too went through some hard times and during those times i grew extremely attached to my girlfriend. I couldn't give a crap about anything else anymore. There were days that the only thing i wanted to do was to remain in the bed with her and do nothing.
In the end she cheated on me and broke up, saying that i stopped being the guy she knew and that i had become too needy and pathetic.
>>84083294
sauce is the ultimate cut nerd
>>84089138
The logic about Superman powers allowed him in that scene to do anything in a range from saving everyone to trying and failing. But he didn't even move a muscle, because he simply didn't care to save those poeple.
>>84089197
Yeah, when they humanize Superman like this, they don't realize that they're watering down the "super" in his name
>>84089263
No offense m8. But your ex sounds like a fucking cunt.
>>84089283
They're kind of watering down the "man" too. Emotionally healthy people aren't quite so dependent and tend to have more than two social links.
>>84089283
>>84089337
Where they trying the same approach that was done in "For Tomorrow"? It feels like this but Snyder somehow failed at that.
>>84089197
Well, in the movie Superman realized that he had grew super myopic. He had grown extremely attached to her, placing him and herself in danger, and being so oblivious to everything that he wasn't even there for his mom. Also that none of that changed shit. He still had to face his problems. He couldn't escape the outside world by hiding himself inside Lois' warm and moist pussy. So he maned up and face his problems head on.
Let's just hope that in the next movies he won't be so attached to her again.
>>84089336
Well, the cheating was mean of her, but she was right. I did same shit Superman did. I pretty much stopped living and became to dependent on her for emotional support. That wasn't right or easy on her. She had nothing to do with my problems.
>>84089382
The thing is that For Tomorrow has context. It's the Superman that's already grown and matured and he's thrown into a new situation It's not him starting out, it's not him being fucked up from day one.
Like half the times people cite books that justify Snyder's decisions they ignore that property of context. The other half they don't give a shit about fundamental differences execution.
>>84089337
DCEU Superman isn't very emotional healthy, though.
>>84082792
I'm glad Batman broke his stupid face. Thanks to him zod came to earth on the first place and according to the flash he goes full injustice after lois' death
>>84089141
there's a difference between being able to accelerate your mass like jet and being able to move around a room multiple times in a millisecond
one of those is superfast
the doomsday fight was not all over the place
it started at the ship, then it went to space directly above, then he landed on the island, then batman lead him back to where he had fought superman
>narrow down where superman had to look
lol okay, so you're saying martha wasn't at places that are abandoned.... wow you're right
alfred fucking found her because of the guy's phone which bruce had hacked earlier. the found KGBeast, and by extension martha
i'm not ignoring your mentions of superman's powers, i think your expectations are unreasonable given what we have been shown through both movies and the context in which he was found in the cases of the explosion and in the abduction of martha
as far as i remember superman has never been clever with his powers, i don't remember an instance where he fully out thought an oponent by using all his abilities to gather all the information he can and then game the person across from him. it's always him using xray vision or his hearing to use some detail for some funny moment or in a fight
comics that actually present the situation you're describing tend to be generally be of the 'superman' archetype
given that lex had just given him his constraints as to how to handle the situation, >i die, she dies >don't go to fight him, she dies . he goes to bruce and tries to get his help. completely reasonable
>>84089481
Yeah. That's kinda the point I was trying to make. Snyder did not knew how to approach this idea and ended up making an irrecognizable version of Superman.
>>84089283
That's kind of the point. When asked about Superman people will still say he's too boring because he's too super, too invulnerable and strong.
It's also true that they're watering down the "man" when they try to also work with the alien angle. He's isolated because he feels different and because, well, he knew there were others like him. But he had to kill the very last one to protect his new home.
BvS would have been even worse if they had a shiny smiling Superman as a counterpoint to Batman's dark.
But again, it hurts the movie that he can't properly express his emotions. What bothers me is that he did fine in MoS, so even if they wanted to drive home that point, it was just lacking in showing Superman's side of the issue. Before the big fight at the end happens... Batman is pretty much right! Superman IS a fuck up and he IS dangerous! One person shouldn't have all that power because it's hard to make him accountable for the ripples he causes every time he swoops in.
>>84084020
He proved that anon was wrong.
god you're all idiots
>>84089574
Hey there, Zack
>>84089273
superman's powers allow him to do nothing in that scene.
he can't move faster than an explosion
I kinda felt bad at that part
when I saw the movie a week after release the theatre was empty save me and a friend. it was a long boring experience and both of us kinda just left like "wow that happened"
but that scene made me feel bad, and honestly I expected him to turn into a giant wailing child in that scene. I was really expecting him to just fly out screaming or something. But no, Zack cant give anyone emotion positive or negative.
>>84089613
Depending on the writer, he can
>>84083292
>Superman is not a gary stu guys
>>84088571
Off screen shit happened. Bruce and Clark knew each other.
>>84089564
>Before the big fight at the end happens... Batman is pretty much right! Superman IS a fuck up and he IS dangerous! One person shouldn't have all that power because it's hard to make him accountable for the ripples he causes every time he swoops in.
Not to mention BECAUSE he's so emotionally unhealthy it makes it hard not to see the argument that he should have a billion checks in place. Hell we literally get a preview of the bad future where Superman goes evil because his emotional crutch got taken away. They haven't even done a halfassed job of establishing why that's suddenly all okay.
>>84089659
*superman's powers in the dceu
i mean as per hack snyder
whatever this whole conversation is meaningless with that writer comment
>sometimes he's capable of such
>sometimes he's not capable of such
>therefore in this one case of him not being capable is bad
>>84089707
no they didn't dude, they met at lex's party
clark's exploits are easter egged in the background throughout the movie, most explicitly at the scene where the guy has all those clippings of him
>>84083109
Too late if it has made light.
He did have to watch the failure in slow... hey couldn't he have tossed the explosion itself out the window or something?
>>84089526
>there's a difference between being able to accelerate your mass like jet and being able to move around a room multiple times in a millisecond
>one of those is superfast
Both of those are superfast.
>it started at the ship, then it went to space directly above, then he landed on the island, then batman lead him back to where he had fought superman
That IS all over the place, and Doomsday destroyed basically everything everywhere he went, and according to the movie not a single person was at any of those places Doomsday fucked up.
>alfred fucking found her because of the guy's phone which bruce had hacked earlier. the found KGBeast, and by extension martha
Fair enough, but there is still no reason Superman could not have found her, there is no excuse for it. He's fucking Superman, it's literally impossible to hide physical things from him
>I'm gonna hide this thing here
>Oh he just used his x-ray vision to find it
>I know! I'll hide it in lead!
>Oh after not being able to see it he just checked the places where something could be hidden in lead.
No excuse, he's fucking Superman, you can't have Superman while also not having Superman.
Trying to get Bruce to help is not reasonable, he thought Bruce was an asshole and also threatened him after causing him to crash the Batmobile, all things considered Bruce had no reason to trust a single word he said and Superman was an idiot for continuing the fight when he got the upperhand instead of just explaining.
>this thread
Great job anon
>>84085827
its not a plot hole, its just a conceit of the character. You have to accept that sometimes Superman makes mistakes and can't hear everything all the time for him to work.
>>84089719
I'd say it's a half-assed job. I mean, I get it. He's not an alien freak. He's human. He has the simplest possible emotion of wanting to save his own mother. Which is a good mixture of selfishness and selflesness.
THAT works... in regards to Batman. And maybe, MAYBE the audience if they were able to follow that.
But not the rest of the world.
And oh, sure, we're meant to ASSUME that the world forgave him and came to understand him after his sacrifice.
But it's such a poor narrative that it's easily missable because the movie is already at the end of the post-climax descent.
>>84086497
He obviously has empathy for them, he fucking shows up. He would never just let the explosion happen, but it catches him off guard. Again, its why in the comics he doesnt stop every bomb, or every bullet, or every laser blast that every enemy ever fires at a civilian. For there to be drama, Superman can not be perfect. Its a central conceit of the character.
>>84089781
Then again you could argue they made him lose his footing because it wasn't anyone in danger, it was his mother.
Plus Lex was obviously checking what he was doing. If he had tried to go look for his mother, Lex could just call or use whatever super-fast device he had prepared to tell his men to kill her.
It's the Superman 1 ending all over again. And this time he's not doing the time travel thing.
>>84089781
>Both of those are superfast.
bro...
>that is all over the place
i'm not sure if you mean all over the place as in everywhere/all over both cities. 3 distinct locations
>he's fucking superman, it's literally impossible to hide physical things from him
dude...
okay. i cede
and yes it is reasonable. i guess for you that means reasonable for any story not about superman
>>84082994
>bomb was in lead
>hm what is this small object attached to a wheelchair that is the ONLY THING I CANT SEE IN THE COURTHOUSE
the only person more retarded than Clark at that moment is Lex for thinking that plan would work
>>84089943
>I didn't see it lo
>I'm afraid I didn't see it because i wasn't looking
>we are left to wonder if superman knew about the bomb and did nothing was he complicit
>>84089943
Is a lead component in a high tech wheelchair really that weird?
>>84089943
Dude you might as well ask why there's no bomb detectors of any kind in THE GODDAMN US SENATE.
BvS is the somehow, supposedly, this amazingly brilliant movie that nonetheless requires you to turn your brain off.
>>84089943
You could also argue that he didn't look at the wheelchair man because he felt guilty about what had happened to him.
>>84089974
Maybe he wasn't looking because he wasn't expecting the Senate building to blow up? It was probably the last thing on his mind. Nobody thought something like that was going to happen.
Plus it didn't help that the bomb was encased in lead. Hint hint he can't see or hear through lead, read the comics it's one of his weaknesses.
Look the explosion happening isnt the problem here, its the missed opportunity with the senate meeting. Just a brief statement from Superman to the world about what hes all about, then Lex can have his damn piss joke (its still dumb). But hey at least they showed him bringing wounded to the medics afterwards
>>84089988
...yes, what exactly do you think lead would be used for in a 'high tech' wheelchair?
Also this exact scenario plays down in The Just where Superman's dumb jock son saw through Damian placing a lead blanket over Alexa. He basically says "wow its almost like if I cant see something, something is there because I can see fucking everything"
>>84089939
Just because there are different kinds of superfast doesn't mean one isn't actually super fast.
If you were trying to hide something from Superman where would you put it and why do you think he wouldn't be able to find it?
>I made this guy crash his car
>I also threatened him
>As I left I heard him say something about me bleeding
>Oh hey he has all this shit set up just to fight me
>Better push him through the mud to assert my dominance instead of just explaining why I need his help
>Hope I don't forget to tell him I could kill him at any time I wanted
How is anything Supes did in regards to Batman reasonable?
>>84089988
A little bit, yeah. High-tech, especially these days, means lightweight synthetics and plastics and shit.
Lead is kind of the opposite of that.
>>84090045
Did you even watch the movie? Clark wasn't the aggressor, he tried to reason with Bruce but Bruce was not listening to him and being stubborn. Eventually Clark gives up trying to reason with him and the fight ensues
>>84090018
i'm not going to say the movie is a masterpiece or good or anything
but these 'arguments' 'against' the movie... god damn
>>84090099
You're talking about a scene that's after the one he's talking about.
Pretty sure >>84090045 is talking about the whole Batmobile Chase scene where Clark shows up at the end and delivers ultimatums, because for some reason Bruce is a dangerous unhinged vigilante but not so much that Clark is going to hand him over to the cops.
The fact that Clark does that whole "I'm threatening you and saying that I can kill you any time I want" means that it doesn't fucking matter what happens when his mom gets kidnapped, there's no way he's going to Batman to listen because he already burnt that bridge so much earlier.
It's strange that you guys that keep saying "WATCH THE MOVIE" always mix up those two scenes.
>>84090099
He barely even tried in the first place
>I want this guy on my side, I want him to trust me
>He's not listening to me, he's just shooting me.
>Should I A) Explain what's happening clearly or B) Push him through the mud
Every single time Clark got the upperhand he just continued the fight like an idiot.
>>84090018
>nobody thought
this is even worse considering the senator was just threatened by lex earlier
>>84090041
>>84090062
Sorry I know jack about engineering. I know lead is toxic but I wasnt sure if certain compotents still used it in small cases. So yeah I'll give you that. Still you have to remember Clark kind of trained himself to dull his senses, so maybe he was more focused on the meeting and thought security was under control.
>>84090171
>>84090171
Not that poster but if someone was shooting at me, I would think that diplomacy has gone out the window at that point. No amount of talking will change someone's mind like that.
>>84090260
Then why even fight him without intent to kill?
>>84090302
You're serious arent you?
>>84090045
there had been bad blood brewing between them through the whole movie
this is actually THE place where the movie has yet to be legitimately criticized, as it's the central mechanism by which the movie functions; the tension spawned from this and how it's transmuted
that said there should have been more of clark's side of the story
the theatrical release does logically let the audience know about clark's own feelings of powerlessness in the paper, but showing more of his frustrations would do more to simmer tension in the viewer to further sell the climax
>>84090343
>I have to either kill this guy or reason with him
>I don't believe he'll listen to reason
>But I'll fight him anyway because ???
>>84090375
Just throwing this out there but, you ever think Superman was going to incapacitate Batman first and then try again? Look their reason for fighting is still forced but no Clark wasnt going to kill anyone
>>84090302
>Lex says "bring me the head of the Bat" to save Martha
>Superman decides fuck this, I'll try and get Batman to help
>Admits he was wrong to Bats, being the bigger man
>Bats, being the douchebag that he is, sets traps to gain an advantage against Supes
>Traps ultimately fail against Supes, during which Supes is pleading with Bats and telling him there's no time for this crap
>Bats mocks him to his face, at this point Supes gives up trying to reason with him and decides to wreck his shit to save his mom
Not that hard.
>>84090469
Forgot to mention that Supes isn't even trying to hurt Bats, he's just throwing him around like a rag doll, he even tells him that if he wanted him dead, he would have been a long time ago. Supes was just trying to prove a point, but Bats wasn't paying attention, he just wanted to kill Supes dead.
>>84090426
He had less than an hour, he'd have a better chance at finding Martha on his own than dealing with Bruce. Hell, the only reason he wasn't murdered is because of some amazing coincidence.
>>84090469
He just sort of threw him around though, he had every opportunity to just take Bruce really high up and explain things calmly but he didn't, Lex said kill him, if Supes actually planned only killing him the fight would be over in 5 seconds, if he just wanted to fuck him up but keep him alive the fight would be over in 20 seconds, if he wanted to reason with him then he had many chances to do so but didn't after the first attempt failed but chose not to. It makes no sense for him to waste his time with Bruce if he's so worried about his mom.
>>84090469
>You know what stops him? A fist.
Potterino
>>84089161
What would you have him do?
>>84090583
This quote alone from the woman in Gotham explains why Superman was so quick to give up on convincing Batman and instead decided to fight.
>>84090649
Emote. He doesn't.
He has like 3 chances to do so. But one is interrupted by bath tub sex. One fizzles out as the scene cuts. And one is just another Ma Kent speech while Supes looks constipated.
>>84090753
I was talking about in respond to how ppl were looking at him. Because you can tell ppl one thing doesn't mean they do it. Especially a character like Supes.
>>84082792
Am I imagining it, or is Lex's face on Supes here?
If Lex legitimately believes that Superman is a menace, why would he kidnap his mother and taunt him in his face?
>>84089161
>>84090649
This.
It doesn't matter if nobody listen to him. They can keep treating him like a god after this. But the fact that he never even makes an effort to connect with them on any other level makes him look like a bitch.
It's like he's being peed on and he frowns rather than moving out the way or going "cut that shit out!" and then he goes home and whines to Lois about it.
If it were that big a problem, move the fuck out the way!
>>84090896
He wants everybody else to recognize he is. He'd risk his life to do it too.
If Superman killed him then and there that would have worked for him too.
>>84090896
He's a brain damaged ding dong.
