I don't get it /co/.
What did Bob's Burgers do so different that kept it from being cancelled, unlike these other 3 failures?
>>83973653
Based H. Jon Benjamin.
Let H Jon Benjamin sing.
>>83973653
People actually like it for one.
>>83973653
Character writing and a simple premise that can be moles into largely anything, like the Simpsons, instead of being confined to an incredibly stiff and specific premise with no lasting power.
>>83973653
I don't know, but I'm glad Bob Burger's is still around.
>>83973653
Likeable characters and good voice acting
>>83973653
The kids are pretty endearing and interesting. Bob is pretty good at playing both the straight man role and the goofy goober
>>83973653
It wasn't shit. And the family demographics were swapped around compared to other family shows.
>>83973653
the top three's commentary was to limited
Bob's is pretty modular and can adapt as needed
>>83973653
Character design that isn't fugly and/or uninspired copy-paste shit.
>>83973653
Its actually good.
>>83973653____"jews"____
It's actually funny and endearing for starters.
>>83973993
>>>/tv/stay there this time andy
...Sanjay and Craig?
>>83973653
What in the fuck was Allen Gregory about?
On top of everything else mentioned, a solid voice cast. The VAs really help make this show.
I'd like to think that people just found it funny/refreshing. Also I've never seen Allen Gregory or Bordertown ever air on TV so who knows.
>>83974034
>SHUT IT DOWN
>>83973653
Not relying on Carlos Mencia-tier humor, Seth Macfarlane templates, or 2smart4u social commentary. The jokes aren't "Black people" or "Mexican people" or "Gay people."
The situations on Bob's Burgers are crazy but they're believable. They're absurd but not surreal. Despite each member of the family kind of being jerks to one another they still care about each other beyond one or two lines in an episode and feel and act like a real family. It has heart and that counts for a lot.
The jokes aren't "Black people" or "Mexican people" or "Gay people."
>>83973653
Cleveland show wasn't a failure, it lasted 4 seasons.
Say what you want about the Cleveland Show but it was definitely better than what Family Guy was doing at the time.
Actual jokes that were funny
>>83974212
This. It's watchable andenjoyable
>>83974261
And it had more consistent characterization.
>>83973653
>Why did this child survive when all three of mine died?
Because they were born dead and you speant an inappropriate amount time pretending otherwise.
It's literally the modern-day Simpsons. Perfect storm of writing, premise, voice-work, and visuals. Perfect balance of character/physical/verbal humor. And it's adaptable as all,get out. Sometimes the show seems it's still stuck in the 80's in a weird east coast Americana, other times it's clearly not, and the show totally knows how to hit the ground running with that.
>>83974283
To be fair both Family Guy and American Dad didn't fall to that trap till season 5 onward.
If Cleveland Show lasted that long I imagine we would have seen disjointed characterizations.
>>83974411
To think Cleveland Show was the only one that ended before it lost itself.
>>83973845
>Character design that isn't fugly
let me stop you right there
>>83974411
They were already heading in that direction, Cleveland was getting more stupid than usual then they turned Jr into Brian for some reason honestly it's good they they pulled the plug before they got as worse as the other two
>>83974424
It had a really rocky start.
Most of Season 1 was "the blacks in the 70s were so wacky" and what little wasn't seem to be just a joke that Cleveland isn't as black as everyone else.
mid season 2 was when it got it stride and I argue late season 3 was showing signs that it was going to be the same trash that the other two became.
Seth's shows are great when the concept is fresh, it's just that unlike say King of the Hill or Bob's Burgers there just isn't any depth to the cast and side crew. Cleveland Show was no different. They had a fun cast but the ran about as much midnight oil out of the what they had in terms of character growth. Hell a lot of the cast was already starting to wane. Auntie Momma went from being this secret roll model to just one of the reoccurring family cast with no humor or jokes aimed at his ridiculous back story.
>>83974725
Seth's last show , 'Bordertown' was cancelled before the season finished up. He is being exposed as a hack
American Dad is his best show and -surprise- he doesnt write it
>>83973653
And Sit Down, Shut Up
>>83977003
Truth.
>>83973653
Cleveland Show had 4 seasons and 88 episodes. It wasnt a failure at all.
>>83974591
>>83974725
Oddly enough, I find Cleveland Show has the best side characters out of the four Seth toons.
>>83974062
Gay Stewie gets his own show and aged up slightly to justify a natural personality.
The top three shows were gimmicky.
>>Oh look! A Seth McFarlean show but everyone is black!
>>Oh look! A Seth McFarlean show but it's about the Mexican boarder!
>>Oh look, a show where the entire cast is really fucking unlikable, oh and gay parenting
The characters are mostly likeable and the writing felt natural. Fell off the last couple of seasons but it's to be expected, not very many places for it to go.
>>83978488
I really started liking it before it was cancelled, made me giggle consistently
>>83978488
Agreed, Cleveland and his crew were great. Same with the side characters like Gus, Wally, Dr Fist, Kendra and Arianna, Clevelands parents, Donnas ex, Murry, etc
>>83978488
Seriously? 'Cause I'd argue the exact opposite.
>>83977003
Look at AD now and tell me with a straight face its still good
It was its own thing and not some horrible celebrity vehicle, a cancerous second spin-off of a dying show, or a topical, dually offensive edgy comedy
This generations King of the hill
>>83973677
This
>>83974212
That's not a very high bar is it?
>>83973653
A lot of improv and genuine reactions give the characters more life, one of my favourites is from the second episode of season 1, when Gene insisted Salman Rushdie wrote The Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe, Bob's reaction wasn't scripted.
>>83979595
See, I've never seen the episode in question, but that sounds like a hilarious bit.
I thought I would hate this show because the character design was so disgusting but it turned out that the voice acting and dialogue was incredible. I try and catch it whenever I can now.
>>83973653
If the Cleveland show had taken some cues from Sanford and Son (remember when black comedy was actually funny?) it would have been a sensation.
But in hyper PC world, you can't even tell the truth about black failures, certainly not make a show of joking about them.
Didn't bother to look at Border Town (same issue as the Cleveland Show. Can't make fun of Spics because that's racist (Jew money printers need cheap labor too.))
Allen Gregory, Who?
Not shit
>>83980107
So you're implying that CS and BT failed because PC?
>>83974144
>on Bob's Burgers are crazy but they're believable.
This, the show is quite enjoyable.
>>83973653
I haven't been able to watch a single episode of bob's burgers without feeling a tad depressed at the end and I don't know why.
anyone else know this feel?
It's a shame I liked bordertown but with how PC everything is and the low art quality I can see why people didn't like it.
>>83980107
Or maybe it's because these shows were poorly written and unfunny. Seth is a hack who just gave the Griffins a paint job. He can't write blacks unless its for a quick gag.
>>83980225
>how PC everything is
It has nothing to with PC; I'm a Sombrerolander and I found it unfunny as fuck.
>>83973653
Bob's Burgers feels like a genuine successor to the early Simpsons. Not as socially poignant, if by virtue of the fact that the Internet makes such things seem quaint within a few months, but more in the sense of 90% of the time the stories are grounded in realistic scenarios with eccentric but ultimately human characters, with occasional ventures in more surreal or over-the-top antics(e.g. usually whenever their landlord shows up).
The characters are pleasant and seem to genuinely care about each other, at that.
In a sense, it occupies that niche, or at least falls on the scale closer to the older Simpsons seasons and King of the Hill, rather than the usual Fox and MacFarlane products.
>>83973736
Gene is obnoxious as hell - it's one thing to get some histrionics from his mother, but he shouts everything, so nothing he says ever gets to stand out for good or bad reasons.
>>83980196
The guy has to make his kids work at his restaurant to keep it working, which is illegal, and is recurrently late on his rent. You just know there's bankrupcy or jail in that family's future.
>>83973653
Animation is fucking retarded and ugly. I hate this show.
>>83980561
Which one?
>>83980573
Bob's Burgers.
>>83980025
I felt the same as you, I Hated the designs at first, but it was my girlfirends favorite cartoon. Now I've seen every episode and its our "comfy" show, helps her with aanxiety and whenever we cant sleep.
>>83980591
It's made clear that the anons in this thread look pass the artstyle (which grows on you) and stay for the writing and character interactions.
And the animation gets much smoother in Season 2.
>>83980283
No anon I mean why other people didn't like it I loved the show.
>>83980623
I don't care what's made clear for the anonymous people. I hate that ugly artstyle. Makes me puke and fart at the same time.
>>83980196
More in the earlier seasons. Later seasons kinda focus on Bob getting a bit better. He's friends with a celebrity chef, he's been featured in a popular magazine, and his restaurant seems to be securing itself as a mainstay in the town. He'll probably never be a huge success, but he'll survive based on a steady stream of regulars.
And if worst comes to worst, he's shown he has friends he can rely on. Teddy is eccentric, but he'd probably do anything for Bob. And his childhood friend is obscenely rich, so there's that, too.
>>83978625
Seriously, now they can say the word "shit" and do it constantly to seem edgier. Also the writing is pathetic now - fucking MC Scatcat? Tae diggs?
>>83980772
>Makes me puke and fart at the same time.
How old are you?
>>83980772
okie doke
>>83978625
The last time I saw the show they were trying to make Principal Lewis a main character.
I left and never looked back.
>>83980786
21. Why?
>They broke up Frond and Gayle two episodes after it happened.
Shame. I feel like a lot of comedy could have been mined from two incredibly desperate, clingy people in a relationship with each other.
>No season finale where Bob caters their horrible wedding
>>83980834
Because the only time I've ever heard "I puked and farted at the same time' was from my six year old sister.
>>83980868
Stop trying to get her to watch Bob's Burgers with you, then.
>>83980487
Bob is sort of in a grey area of luck with Fishoeder.
The guy loves him. So long as he runs the town, Bob is probably safe from failure so long as he tolerates Fishoeder's mild extortion and eccentricity.
Also I don't think there's anything illegal about his situation with the kids. So long as he's found to not be working them to an unreasonable degree he's pretty much allowed to use his own children as free labor. He usually only asks they work during busier shifts or special situations, any other time they're free to come and go as they please.
>>83974159
It lasted four seasons because it got canceled. If it didn't, I guarantee you it would still run until the end of time, like what The Simpsons or Family Guy is doing. So technically it is a failure.
>>83980561
Try watching the original pitch pilot, then see how you feel about the actual show.
>>83981078
There's also the fact Fox ordered another 2 seasons before season 1 even aired, they were really banking on that MacFarlane name.
>>83973653
Bob's Burgers succeeding shouldn't surprise me as much after King of the Hill. Apparently there are enough people with good taste to support the occasional good show.
>>83973653
A lot of reasons. Good writing, characters that feel natural and work well off each other, a great voice cast and a premise that can go a lot of places without relying 100% on topical references or completely unrelatable and unrealistic situations.
I think the main reason it works though is the same reason other animated family sitcoms worked and that's that the family feels real with all the imperfections and annoyances that come with being an actual lower-middle class family with young kids. Sometimes things go well for them and a lot of the time they don't but in the end they have each other.
>>83973653
4 failures.
Do you remember the Napoleon Dynamite cartoon?
Am I the only one who stopped watching after season 3? The kids became weirder than usual and bob just seemed more pathetic. On Top Of that the situations seemed more And more Unbelievable. I just can't watch.
> btw gene is worst character.
>>83985866
I think that because Gene genuinely loves his family and he makes some pretty good music when he actually tries, I don't mind him that much.
I'm waiting till the latest season ends so I can binge watch it
>>83978385
Don't even mention that shit.
>>83973653
Its actually good
>>83974062
Gay Stewie is an insufferable asshole, and because he's a liberal child he's never wrong. Oh, and Jonah Hill voiced him like the insufferable ass that he is. BECAUSE THAT NEVER GETS TIRED.
>>83977003
>>83978439
Bordertown wasn't Seth's show, he was barely involved. Seth is decent when he puts his mind to it but he honesty hasn't put any effort into anything in the past 10 years.
>>83973736
>likeable characters
the only likeable character is bob, everyone one else is either retarded or a complete asshole, or both.
>>83978625
>>83980783
>>83980819
American Dad is still good
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GLbbxxdkhr0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ysb4en_Sc
Also the people saying its shit now haven't been keeping up with the latest season.
>>83990851
>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ysb4en_Sc [Embed]
This episode was so insufferable I nearly stop watching it multiple times.
>>83990851
American Dad is still occasionally good. It went from having 3 bad episodes per season to having 3 good episodes per season, the rest ranging from meh to bad-but-not-quite-Family-Guy-levels-of-I-want-my-22-minutes-back
>>83973653
Ironically enough BBs was getting shittier ratings than the Cleveland yet FOX kept it because they like Loren. There's definitely a bias towards it that made it last longer
>>83990917
Here's your (you)
>>83990964
>any opinion I disagree with is trolling
Thin skin much?
>>83973677
This plus genuinely enjoyable characters and comfy plots.
>>83974212
Yeah, but Family Guy at the time was one of the worst pieces of shit on TV
>>83990931
>went from having 3 bad episodes per season to
Come now, everyone knows that AD didn't become consistently great until Season 4, it struggled for 3 seasons to find itself then it finally dropped the political aspect and just went all out insane with its Supernatural aspect. Current season is much better than the last due to the new writers finally settling down but will never reach the glory of seasons 4 to 8.
>>83990997
You didn't actually explain why that episode was bad.
>>83990851
This.
>>83985754
That show had one really good episode and five forgettable ones. Pedro vs Deb was surprisingly hilarious to me.
>>83973736
>>83973772
The only really likable character is Bob, the kids and Linn are obnoxious and the show abuses toliet humor more so than Family Guy abuses gore.
>>83990851
>Braff Zacklin and The Legman are separate personas
why
>>83991185
Linn is more flawed than obnoxious. She can't help that she's lame, she just keeps momming everything up.
>>83973653
white normies.
>>83973653
Came out at a time when Animation Domination was filled with nothing but Seth McFarlane shows so Fox needed another Dysfunctional Family show for variety sake. If you look at its ratings throughout its run BB has never done well and is only kept alive because the network head liked the show so there's some favoritism towards it so he systematically got rid of most of the opposition, remember how American Dad almost got canned twice but BB wasn't doing good in its slot and Sons of Tucan bombed hard? It was saved by TBS before FOX pulled the plug and they didn't even bother to renew the Cleveland Show despite it getting better ratings. Not to say that its a bad show but Loren was pretty fortunate with this one given how quickly his previous shows got pulled.
>>83991358
Nah shes pretty annoying and would be Peggy Hill tier if not for Bob and everyone else actually pointing out that she's an idiot. I like the dynamic between Bob and Linn are inverse of the usual trope of dumb husband and smart sensible wife. American Dad tends to flip flop with Stan and Francise on occasion.
>>83991590
If Alex's upcoming show for FOX is a hit it'll probably convince them to get rid of it.
>>83973653
I actually didnt mind the cleveland show, but Ive never gone out of my way to watch it.
Bob's burgers is a genuine comedic story about a very odd family trying to make a living. Beyond that its great that the show doesnt rely on violence, incompetence, politics, race, sex, and other overly emphasized "adult" themes.
>>83990851
>DUDE ANOTHER APOCALYPTIC SCENARIO LMAO
>DUDE STEVE DOING TITC BECAUSE HIS VA LIKES R&B LMAO
No. Current American Dad is dog shit. The staff doesn't know what to do with these characters anymore. Case in point, the last episode. Bowling and bicycle documentary watching contest.
Just end it already.
>>83973653
Being good.
>>83991683
>Alex Hirsh
>hit show on Fox
>ever succeeding again
>>>83991951
>HIS VA LIKES R&B LMAO
His VA was a R&B singer dumbass
>>83991951
(You)
>People like the characters
>NO I DON'T LIKE ANYONE BUT BOB
Speak for yourself faggots. Everyone I know loves Tina. I personally find Louise and Gene to both be funny. Linn's the only one I find annoying.
>>83992139
I tolerate a lot of the family because they're the reason Bob is so good.
>>83992139
>Everyone I know loves Tina.
Are they also as autistic ?
>>83992139
Tina is pretty much autistic now. There's nothing to like about Gene, he pretty much contributes to nothing but fart humor even the family doesn't pay attention to him. Louise is the only one who's a full realized character
>>83992139
I like the dynamics, I watched shows and I never had that feeling of "It's a X episode so it's going to be shit" with bob's burger
>>83992421
>"It's a X episode so it's going to be shit" with bob's burger
We got plenty of those last season with Tina
>>83992403
>Louise is the only one who's a full realized character
Louise "I'm a middle aged con man oh no wait I'm just a little girl" Belcher?
>>83992709
Yep mainly because tge writers try with her episodes while every Tina and Gene episode are the same.
>Jimmy Pesto will never notice me! I know I'll get into a weird hoppy to drive him further away from me!
>POOPYPOOPYFARTFART
>>83974144
>They're absurd but not surreal
I get surprised at the crazy things that happen in the show, and then I think that somewhere out there this is probably happening, and it makes me laugh more.
>Allen Gregory
Was legit terrible and never caught on thankfully
>Cleveland Show
Can't call a show that lasted for four seasons and actually got better ratings a failure. It was canned due to change in management and FOX wanting to rely less on Seth shows to promote their shitty live action shows
>Bordertown
Was actually good and could have gotten better with more time but wasn't doing well to justify a pickup
So really Bob got lucky.
>>83980561
Animation =/ art style. Season 2 becomes decent considering it's Fox and then the animation consistently improves from season three onwards and is quite fucking good. I like the Muppets aesthetic but even if I didn't I'd take it and quality animation over Disney-tier shilouettes and automatic inbetweens.
>>83993485
>Season 2 becomes decent considering it's Fox and then the animation consistently improves from season three onwards and is quite fucking good.
So BBfags are more delusional than Gumballfags
>>83985866
The first season was garbage and the second season was slightly better garbage though. They can be entertaining if you know what comes next but honestly if season three or four isn't your favorite you need to legitimately off yourself. Or get better taste in cartoons I guess.
>>83993520
No? The simplistic designs allows them to focus more on movement, composition, and backgrounds than most others.
>>83973653
Well Allen Gregory was insufferable shit, with horrific pacing and no humour.
Cleveland Show was typical Seth, so had the perfect pacing, but I don't think anyone really liked any of the characters.
Bordertown was only funny to a very select group of people, and you can basically only go so far when you have literally one joke.
>>83973653
Who the hell is Seth McFarlane blowing to continue getting his shit shows aired? Everything he ever put his hands on gets cancelled.
>>83989163
you do know thats a motiff in animation domination or any comedy sitcom really every character is either an asshole or retarded and they also have incredible knowledge of pop culture or any culture really
Allen greggory had a lot of hype behind it befor it premiered. I remeber reading an interview with Jonah hill befor he show premiere and him going on and on about how it was a smart well writen show.
it was beyond terrible and had a really creepy a story line with Allen having the hots for his elderly principle. just an overall unpleasant show
>>83980107
>remember when black comedy was actually funny?
yea, but they canceled that as well.
>>83994401
And for good reason, that show was getting old and was running out if 70s and 80s references to the point it was making fun of early 00s shit.
>>83994401
>All white men are horrible the show
Yeah that eventually gets boring
>>83994506
>muh white people
If you didn't notice everyone was a shithead in the show.
The main character ran a whore house/orphanage for fucks sake.
>>83973653I didn't even know Bordertown was cancelled. Not complaining, but wow, that was fast.
>>83980783
YOU LIKE THE MOVIES
AND I LIKE DBZ
>>83973653
>Allen Gregory
Oh my god I had completely forgotten about that show until this post.
>>83974212
The worst and laziest writing. jokes fall flat. every tv story reused. seems the goal was to get the running time instead of trying to make a show that was funny.
>>83973653
It has one of my absolute favorite moments in television.
Jairo, the Brazilian capoeira guy, has a bunch of oil coming out of his studio, which Bob slips on. It tears some shoulder ligament, and the doctor tells him that he needs a surgery that his insurance won't cover. Bob almost sues Jairo for the money, but Jairo tells him he can massage the shoulder back to functionality, basically just relaxing the muscles to let the ligament heal itself. Bob is skeptical at first, but after a few sessions his shoulder does get better.
e runs into his doctor jogging on the boardwalk, and the doctor challenges Bob to give him a high five. When Bob does, the doctor just says "keep it up, it's working for you" and runs on.
Avoiding the old "doctors will always make you do the thing the insurance companies want instead of what makes you better" cliche was very surprising. I was expecting some kind of rivalry between the doctor and Jairo to develop, and the plot went in a completely different direction.
>>83980107
>remember when black comedy was actually funny
I like Black-ish
It's got stuff that some white people can relate to and it's got stuff that some black people can relate to
>>83994831
what the fuck is this
>>83973653
Likeable characters, consistent development, and knowing how to avoid ruts.
>>83995293
>>83995360
>Likeable characters, consistent development, and knowing how to avoid ruts.
Well that's a load of shit
>>83995080
Third season was okay, but just okay wasn't enough to save it.
>>83991408
>Italians
>White
>>83995159
Black-ish surprised me by not being shit.
>>83996273
>implying olive skin isnt just a microid darker than white skin and in any way anything other than caucasian
you fuckin pleb
>>83996273
They're not Italian. They're Armeno-Greco-Mediterranean.
Allen Gregory is one of the worst shows ever made.
