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How far into the first episode did you get before realising something felt wrong?
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when the korra was resting on the polar dog and looked like a butch lesbian
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I actually felt real good about the first episode, I thought the setting was interesting and it would be great when the show explored the city.

9 episodes later the only places we saw were the fucking stadium and a handful of warehouses.
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I was really excited during the first episode. My biggest problem with AtLA was how generic and boring the setting was, and Korra's looked really interesting - it was going to be Avatar, but in the 1920s! And kind of steampunky!

I started to feel like the writing and characters were off towards the end of the first season. Once I was done with season two I just stopped watching.
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episode 5 was awkward and dumb, especially after episode 4 but I thought it was Bryke making fun of shippers, boy how wrong I was
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I started losing interest when she got to the outskirts of the city and someone was on a soapbox. Even less so as she entered the city and was chased by authorities, hated the scene where she hears about the tournament on the radio, then decided I was done during the fight.

I just wasn't fond of the setting
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Aang entrusted us to keep you safe
>Nothing comes of this and no one is protecting her at the stadium nor does she have a White Lotus guard in her team and to keep it with the 1st episode there are no White Lotus guards with her when she's making her speech at the end before it shows Amon.

Toph invents metalbending
>Korra doesn't know it nor seismic sense despite that being something any Avatar should learn especially if their past life was best friends with its inventor and closest practitioner.

She went to the city without any money
>So her parents didn't give her any? Nor did the White Lotus ever move them up in life for giving them the next kung fu Jesus?

Korra earthbends the street, a street made of earthbendable materials
>She's the bigger criminal than the people threatening civilians in broad daylight and have a known history.
>Why can't they just re-earthbend the street to normal? The shot pans out so we see the destruction of the earthbending, not the damage done to the shop.

Random hobo is living a hobo life
>Republic City is messed up! Good thing no other place has homeless people except for Republic City otherwise that would be too much.

They say she lacks restraint
>Recall AtLA where Roku trashed his teachers.
>Recall AtLA where Kyoshi broke the continent.
>Recall all the big displays of bending that broke and ruined stuff.

Tenzin can't train her because he has a job
>All her teachers were unemployed apparently.
>Apparently the Air Acolytes are mud and Tenzin doesn't consider them worth anything.
>Apparently you can learn to speak for the world and its people if you are completely isolated from them.
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It felt off that they started having a triangle romance drama five episodes in especially when this was back when Mako had zero personality apart from "asshole" while the other two characters were brimming with personality but the show still insisted that Mako "is so cool no really guys". But I ignored it because it really didn't ruin anything for me.

I only started hearing warning bells when Korra got a back her powers for no real explicable reason apart for "We need her to get powers for the other seasons we were just told we have to make now".
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>>83916732
>can bend without any training
>IM THE AVATAR AND YOUD BETTER DEAL WITH IT
yeah, something was off from the start
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>>83916732
I rewached the origiona lseries over the summer last year after years without seeing it, and it turned out better then i remember. I tried watching Korra after wardsa and got through half of episode 2 before I had to turn it off, because i hated every character as felt no connection to them, when tears came to my eyes during appa's list days and I felt nothing when Korra was wheelchair bound, and crying the show lost me completely
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>>83917423
How the fuck was it boring?! Did you see the firenation?
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>>83917695
Remember when it was a simple story of a bunch of kids trying to save the world.
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>>83916732
It wasn't until the middle that something felt slightly off. The love triangle was annoying, and the first two seasons were in love with ending on a cliffhanger for EVERY single episode, which was a little grating. But overall, the first two seasons had overwhelmingly redeeming qualities despite also having glaring flaws, and the second two seasons were pretty much perfect except for the excalation to 4's final battle feeling rushed.

I'm still of the opinion that book 3: Change is literally the greatest thing the Avatar series ever produced

It's funny that people claim Bryke went for representation points to distract from criticism of Book 4, when there IS no good criticism of Book 4 to begin with. Balance is right up there with Earth and Fire.

Even the clipshow story with Amon, Zaheer and Vaatu teaming up but ignoring Unalaq because he was super lame was on point
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>>83918180
>Aang isn't Airman
>Katara isn't Splashwoman
Y tho?
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>>83917682
>>So her parents didn't give her any? Nor did the White Lotus ever move them up in life for giving them the next kung fu Jesus?
To be perfectly fair, she left for Republic City without telling anyone first.

Now, why she herself didn't remember to bring any money...
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>>83919831
>Now, why she herself didn't remember to bring any money...
Since when needs the Avatar money?
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>>83919964
>Since when needs the Avatar money?
Technically she doesn't. The White Lotus pretty much take care of all her needs. Except when she runs off on her own without telling anyone and arrives in an unfamiliar city where nobody knows who she is and might not care even if they did (at least they wouldn't care enough to give her stuff for free).
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>>83919831
>To be perfectly fair, she left for Republic City without telling anyone first.

We see her say goodbye to Katara and her parents. And the White Lotus discovered her at a young age and then it's later revealed why she was locked up. But her parents weren't secured or given stuff. If her parents were captured did the White Lotus think that wouldn't be useful leverage to coax the Avatar to action?

And on the White Lotus: If the leading bending experts of the current time believed an Avatar could attain full maturity while isolated from the world, then perhaps the worldwide quest of past Avatars for the same purpose was a waste of time. Apparently the main prerequisite for attaining Master of Balance status is to master fighting. Mastering the elements is no longer a pathway into a deeper understanding of the nature, people, cultures and philosophies of their world, it's just martial arts with airbending being the only spiritual one.

>>83919964
>Since when needs the Avatar money?
The pit fighting that Korra ended up doing where those jokes came that she took to whoring herself for money in season 4.
When she can use fire to cook what she catches using waterbending from the aquatic wildlife. Purify drinking water. Heal any wounds she gets. Earthbend shelter. Cool herself or warm herself with airbending.

I don't know why Lin didn't have money though. Did it all go to Suyin?
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Literally within seconds

Already know the first three elements? Alright
Mastered them? Great
Can't learn Air literally the easiest one? Perfect
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>>83920267
>Can't learn Air literally the easiest one? Perfect

Fire for passion
Water for whatever man, go with the flow
Earth for being stubborn
Air for letting go of all you know and returning to zero.

I don't know, seems difficult when you are told from 3 years old that you are kung fu Jesus and they have the DNA test to prove it. Plus you really like the idea of being kung fu Jesus.
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>>83916732
Nothing felt wrong. It felt different from TLA from the beginning and I expected it to not be as good of a story, because nothing could.

I was fine with the show and ignored all the /co/ circlejerk threads like this one. It wasn't great but it wasn't as bad as you all make it. Get over it for fucks sake. Just watch the original again.
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>>83916732
The first episode was fine. Like the others said, it was the love triangle and the "got my powers back" asspull at the end that mainly killed it for me.

I never did watch seasons 2-4 after that.
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>>83920339
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMnzrUrzX8Q

You have a point but what about when shes older, she should learn that shit instantly
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It wasmidway through the first season. Holy shit did it have a lot of filler with the competition. I wanted to give it up but Amon being so bad ass kept me watching
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Only in the season 1 finale it became apparent that nothing really amounts for anything. Before that, there was still hope.
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>>83916732
To be truly honest, nothing felt "right" about Korra, even from the very first episode. I looked past that though because the first few episodes were promising and I knew they were trying something different, so I went along with it.

But then after several episodes it became abundantly clear things were wrong. The show was clearly trying to do too many things and not really succeeding at any of them. There were too many jumbled sub-plots, none of the characters were really that good, with Korra herself being awful, the love triangle was unbearably forced, the equalist stuff was not given anywhere near enough time as it needed. And then there was the botched ending, which was just icing on the shit cake.
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>>83920033
>Korra runs away
>gets lost in a big city, where no once knows her
>nearly starves to death
>Aan runs away
>Would have been killed otherwise, learns Energy bending
Is that an air thing that running aways always results into being in a better position?
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Once it became clear that the story was about her tooling around Republic City for no real reason, it seemed like it was only going to get worse.
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About three minutes in when korra fist appeared.
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Probending, specifically the small scale and bland choreography.
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Why didn't we get a whole season about whatshisface
aang's son
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Even before. Brown Athletic Female MC = Warning Bells!

triple minority status correlates heavily with shitty characterization. they don't want to offend anyone.
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Never, the show was solid Watching through and through even though it triggered the patriarchy
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>>83916732
Everybody liked first few episodes.
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>>83922605
Ten "I empty my nine on the Equalist line Can't flim flam the zim-zan" Zen
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>>83916732
Learning Amon's lame-ass backstory at the end of season one was probably the first point that something felt "off" about the series, but it was only with the introduction of the giant mecha in season 4 that the show became truly irredeemable. I kept hoping it could pull something out of it's hat up 'till then.
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>>83922642
yeah that dude
he was cool

>>83922633
Not really. You could feel there was something really wrong.
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>the talkback threads were full of rave reviews for the first few episodes
>/co/ only started turning against it around Spirit of Competition
>fast forward to today
>"I knew it was going to be bad at the end of the first episode!"
>"Well, *I* knew it was going to be bad when Korra got to Republic City!
>"Oh yeah, I knew it was going to be bad as soon as Korra appeared!"
>"Pffft, I knew it was going to be bad as soon as I knew Korra would be a...ugh...a GURL!"

How soon until someone says they knew this show would be bad as soon as an Avatar sequel was announced?
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>>83922660
Nah, /co/ was pretty hyped up. Everybody liked that finally benderless people were addressed, everybody liked mystery behind Amon, everybody loved fucking Lin... until it got to 3-4 episodes later, mystery started unraveling, love triangle, pro-bending and you get the idea.
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>>83922793
>Nah, /co/ was pretty hyped up.
I guess
I watched it a month ago and I couldn't get past episode 5/6
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>>83922810
Your sense of "something wrong" is greatly influenced by /co/ memes. Because when Korra got bad, it wasn't subtle change, it was an immediate punch to the face.

Bryke can build up setting really well, they just can't tell a story for shit. Amon, Republic City, it all could've been good. But first episodes were doing exactly that, they were setting up Korra's world.
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>>83922856
>Your sense of "something wrong" is greatly influenced by /co/ memes.
I honestly never read or watched anything about korra before
I just watched korra do >>83917747 and I was like "shit, this is not gonna be good."
And I wasn't disappointed.
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Someone tell me if they agree. My. Number one issue with Korra is that the cool, unique thing that only Ty Lee and Kyoshi Warriors could do, becomes a generalized thing that everyone can do.

Made me very mad.
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I didn't becuase I don't hate women.
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>>83922910
Bryke please leave
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>>83922910
sasuga /co/mblr
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>>83916732

Well I watched it for a few minutes and then I realized--

CROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>83922910
Hating Korra and hating women is not related.
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That one scene Korra somehow knew that hobo could use telegraph in season one.
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>>83916732
The first episode was amazing though.

It was episode 4 when things started to go wrong
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>>83922525
This.

It all went to shit the moment it was revealed to be a female protagonist. Only to be further ruined as a teenage female protagonist. They pretty much asked for it to fail.
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>>83916732
Honestly, within the first few episodes. Korra and Mako were a horrible couple that they tried to force. Probending was boring as hell elemental dodgeball. Battles seemed less stylish and extravagant and Korra did mostly elemental punches and kicks with no discernible martial art style. We were introduced to an enormous city that looked truly alive and fully realized only to never explore it very much in depth.

It really just gets more and more disappointing the more you watch. Even right up to the end with Kuvira, i still cant believe they considered that a good resolution. This bitch fucking builds a skyscraper sized bipedal mech with a laser beam canon that can decimate cities and she even fires it on the man she loved out of her unrelenting determine and devotion to her cause only to throw it all away with a few minutes of hamfisted sympathetic garbage.
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>>83917747
this
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>>83920339
Eh, it seems like it would have made more sense to suck with Fire. Just because opposites and all.

Although I get why they went with Air.
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>>83916732
red flags :
-joining a sport team for filler episodes
-romantic interest with guy she just met
final flag :
-the way amon is "defeated"

the whole concept of a girl who is the complete opposite of aang was great, amon was terrifying, his henchman were amazing

love interests and half-assed villains ruined everything
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The first season was mostly fine. What was wrong with the first season was Amon ending up being a bender. It made his entire character and especially shit like walking through the bloodbending WAY less interesting. Korra getting her bending back at no cost was also bad.

Only at the end of the first season did Korra go downhill.
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>>83916732
The use of "You gotta deal with it" was when I knew it wouldn't be as good as the last airbender, the "We're not together together." in episode two was when I knew I'd hate it,
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Isn't this the show with the love triangle so awful, it turns the two girls into it gay?
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>>83920591
In hindsight, this sloppy "female power" insertion should be a warning sign. Such awkward display of beating your own chest about your progressiveness (especially after, let me remind you, the only reactions to the next Avatar being a grill were either "cool" or fapping to a delicious brown girl) oftentimes betrays a lack of storytelling abilities.
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>>83924306
>joining a sport team for filler episodes
Korra was a very physical character who was good at fighting and had major respect for martial arts. It makes sense that this would be something that appealed to her.

Also, its been a long ass time since ive seen Korra but when was there ever a pro-bending filler episode? And even if there was, both Aang's and Korra's series had a pretty good track record of most of the episodes being relevant to the story. What's the problem with some lighthearted stories that really matter. Tales of Ba Sing Se is fucking GOAT.

>romantic interest with guy she just met
Again, I feel like this makes sense with her being a character who is very physical and likes and respects martial arts as much as she does. To me, it felt very organic for them to bond and connect over something like that.

I also cant think of any instances where the romance slowed things down much. It never really got in the way of anything even if you didnt like it.
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I expected brown muscle Wizard Lina Inverse.

I got female Terra from BBS
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The first season started out pretty alright. It could've been the foundation for a good show, and it seemed like they knew what they were doing. I was so high on hype that I held out hope throughout the first season even as all the warning signs became apparent. The airbending ass pull was bad, but making Amon just a butthurt bloodbender was even worse.

It really didn't sit right with me during the long wait for season 2. I still watched the premiere, but after Korra became a stooge for yet another obvious villain and was praised to high heaven for doing fucking nothing and had a stupid bitch fight with Mako over some bullshit, I gave up. A friend of mine stuck with it for the rest of season 2 so I got to hear him relay each stupid fucking decision and moment step by step ("the dark avatar" fucking really).
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I loved the travel aspect of the original show, how the writing and pacing kept you interested and delighted, even the filler episodes were well done. That one episode where each character gets their own little vignette of a story in the Earth city was one of my favorites. The Korra Show just didn't have any of that charm to me. It took place in a static, boring city that in which forgettable encounters occurred. Tournaments. Forced love triangles. Unlikeable characters. Uninteresting writing, etc.
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>>83916732
I watched the entire first saison and fucking boiled with all the wasted potential.
Then i never bothered with it again.
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''Deal with it''

I hated her from that point forward.
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For me, the show lost my interest around the love triangle episode. Not because of the love triangle itself; that was its own class of bullshit.
What made the show lose my interest mostly was the lack of a clear connective tissue between Korra's airbending lessons and her performance on the pro-bending field. The second episode seemed to imply that the formula for episodes would be that Korra learns something new through her airbending lessons with Tenzin that would become helpful in her pro-bending matches that would help the team work its way to the top. Go ahead and include the love quadrangle or whatever as a B-plot, but the primary focus should have been that, at least until it came time to bring Amon to the forefront.

Instead, what we got was one episode with a good premise, and ten episodes that amounted to a whole lotta nothing.
I suppose what "The Legend of Korra" needed most of all was a second writing team.

Sometimes, I only feel like the only person in the world who enjoyed the concept of pro-bending.
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>>83918672
Have you not seen any criticisms of book 4?
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>>83920377
>Just watch the original again.
I did, but what if i want a good Korra series? I can't watch atla again since she's not in it. Can't get based Zaheer from atla either.
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I think those who didn't see Legend of Korra while it was airing missed out on perhaps the greatest trainwreck in Western Animation

The writing was terrible, the production was FUCKED(The episodes leaked online ALL THE TIME), and Mike and Bryan went full fucking narcisstic tier, LITERALLY comparing their show to Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones

It was fooking bonkers
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>>83922652
This, though Book 2 was an incredible lowpoint, but atleast you could rationalise why it was shit since they might have been rushed by Nick. But after Book 4 that excuse doesn't work anymore, because even when they have time and get things as they want them it turns out shit.
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>>83924513
>What's the problem with some lighthearted stories that really matter.
No problems with that, but Probending didn't matter to the story. It was dropped after Amon crashed the tournament and never really mentioned again. It's one of those things that LoK did really poorly, they introduce a thing that could have potential and then never does anything with it. It's the same with the Civil War and Nega-Korra in book 4.
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>>83924796
>LITERALLY comparing their show to Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones

/co/ was making things saying GoT was a kids' show and LoK was more.
Bryke only said the format of LoK was similar to GoT because of the small seasons. But no one told Bryke that GoT is one hour long instead of 23 minutes plus commercials like LoK so 12 episodes of LoK doesn't compare to 12 episodes of GoT.
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Concept was ok and the concept art was pretty great, but it just wasn't put very well into the show.
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>>83924985
>Bryke only said the format of LoK was similar to GoT because of the small seasons. But no one told Bryke that GoT is one hour long instead of 23 minutes plus commercials like LoK so 12 episodes of LoK doesn't compare to 12 episodes of GoT.

No, fuck you you LIAR!

https://mikedimartinostory.com/2014/05/21/writing-the-premise/
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>How far into the first episode did you get before realising something felt wrong?

when they started pro-bending
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Yeah, I agree that's the main problem with pro-bending: Despite all the effort put into building up the game, including a full set of rules and limitations, they did next to nothing with the concept.

I suppose this plays into my gripe about the show, that Korra's airbending training didn't factor into pro-bending performance. Hell, pro-bending itself didn't really factor much into the show other than the arena being a climactic set-piece for a fight. Come to think of it, the show didn't really have that many elements being interconnected outside of tangential strings. It all existed in one universe, sure, but nothing really affected each other.
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>>83925284
Page two of the pro-bending rules.
If I recall correctly, the rules were made for the animators so that they wouldn't fuck up, correct?
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>DEAL WITH IT
You can pretty see how bad she was going to fuck up in the long run
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Page three.

Y'know, for a while I was wondering if it would be possible to make a board game out of pro-bending. With all the rules and zoning given, I still think it might be possible if we can just figure out how players actually fight.
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>>83925310
roll d20 to hit
one target: 15+
two targets: 18+
all three: 20
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>>83916732
Before the opening song/narration of the first episode of ATLA.
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>>83925310
You wouldn't happen to have the Probending stats from the show right? The ones where you can see how many knockouts and such Bolin, Korra and Mako had.
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>>83917747
This, Korra started off knowing 3 of the 4 elements already.

We see every earth bender and can now metal bend


Then we're shown every janitor in republic city can lightening bend, this was too much
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>>83924991
The concept could easily have carried its own short series or maybe a movie. Sports drama is a genre that works, and pro-bending is a visually interesting sport in a well fleshed-out fantastical world-- it could have been pretty good if allowed to be its own thing, rather than being tied to Korra like a ball and chain.

Shiro Shinobi was also fantastic, and could have had a much larger role in something actually about pro-bending, instead of just something including it.
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>>83916732

long after the show ended.

/co/ really opened my eyes to it.
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>>83916732
honestly, when the little korra appeared. This kind of personality just doesn't work for the protagonist. Especially daring since despite all the character development, she always reverted back in the beginning of each new season
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>>83925829
Actually a story about Korra coming to RC to learn airbending and having nothing to do so she joins a probending team to have something to do might've worked. I just don't think you could also have some big threat the avatar needs to deal with alongside the sports plot.

You could even tie in some of >>83924726
so while Korra is learning airbending she gets to implement those teachings into probending getting some practical experience with the concepts through probending.
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>>83925941
There is actually a little of that; she manages to dodge a projectile by using one of the bagua circles Tenzin taught her-- it might even be in the first episode, but I don't remember exactly. Of course, that's the only time it comes up, ever.
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Nvm found it myself.
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>>83925982
Yeah it in the first one where she "becomes the leaf" which was nice they just seemed to drop that approach afterwards. What i meant, and i think anon meant, was to continue to do that throughout the season.
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>>83916732
When I realized there was going to be no "roadtrip" aspect to the story like in the last season was what first set off some red flags in my head.
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>>83926060
That would have worked if the timeline hadn't been so compressed. Going through season one, I expected it to end with Amon taking over Republic City, forcing the gang to flee, and then subsequent seasons would be them going around to the four nations to build support for taking him down, while he works to extend his reach beyond the city, eventually having the gang going back to the RC for the series finale to finally confront Amon directly instead of running away from him again. And then things just kept accelerating and by the time the season was over Amon was dead.
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>>83925941
>>83925982
>>83926060
It almost seems like a logical formula: Korra learns something from her airbending training that she can't fully grasp until she uses it elsewhere. It doesn't even have to be in the pro-bending arena; she could use her training in an outside fight. Ultimately, it would be a dual progression between her skills as an airbender and the Fire Ferrets' ranking in pro-bending.

Like I said earlier, you can even keep the romantic subplot as an ongoing element as long as it's in the background and doesn't take over an entire episode like it did.

>>83926139
It could have been possible in a twelve-episode series, but it would have required trimming out as much filler as possible.
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>>83924299
Because we never saw anyone learn Airbending since Aang was already a master.

Not like we actually got to see anyone learn Airbending in Korra, though.
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>>83922774
I'm not gonna. I was super psyched before the show premiered, pretty happy with the first... 3 episodes or so.

Then everything started to fall apart fast.

Never even finished S2.
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When there was Probending filler in a 12 episode season.
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>>83916732
I didn't feel anything bad, until i came here and everyone told me i should hate it.
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>>83925986
>mako was by far the worst player on the team
thats hilarious to me given how much of a mary sue he was season 1
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I sometimes wish I could go back to February of 2012 and be hopeful again.

And that fucking Nick twitter account.

;)
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>>83926337
The nick twitter account tried to warn us

They knew the show was shit
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Oh thank Aang I'm not the only one that felt this series took a great concept and shit all over it. TLoK had a beautiful set up with the whole "benders vs. non-benders/ have vs. have-nots" idea. And yet concepts directly related to the central point such as revolution, counter-revolution brutality, inequality/discrimination, and other such concepts were barely touched. The culture of the city itself was tepid as fuck also. One could argue "durr kids show" but frankly that isn't an excuse for not giving and meaning or overall impact to your show, and then reaching for your tumblr base by making Korra a lesbian for attention. Am I the only one who thought making your two strong, sporty female leads into dykes was a little...stereotypical? I'd even say it might be a bit sexist, isn't the idea that all independent, hardy girls HAVE to be dykes something we're trying to get away from?
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>>83926139
It's fine since it was supposed to be self contained, but they could have easily fixed the "rushed" feeling by cutting so many irrelevant parts.
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i recently binge watched seasons 1-3. i enjoyed season 1 even though it was a rough bumpy start. season two was a pain getting through all of the flashback spirit world stuff especially at the end when they toss it into the trash. i enjoyed season three the most out of what ive seen. Also korra cant maintain a stable relationship if her life depended on it. the supporting cast was a lot more likable than the MC but not as strong as the first avatar.
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wow the crying little bitch in this thread its been 3 years get over it
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>>83926613
what should i expect for season 4
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>>83926708
hitler
i wish i was joking
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>>83926650
I ain't even mad now and I spend a whole year bitching about Korra here. Korra is just a unique case and is interesting to talk about it
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>>83916732

Not on the first episode.
>Aesthetic of Republic City seemed right on-point.
>Music direction was top-notch
>Korra was Aang's opposite personality-wise. (major selling point for me)

>>83916869
This.
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>>83926708
lesbians
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>>83926743
Korr felt so fresh at the start, it was different to the crap I was watching at that time and then it went to shit so quickly. I learned to never get hyped again, it was a hard lesson on crushing disapointment
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>>83926708
More of the same, interesting ideas that ultimately go nowhere. Also a jump in technology, Korra being useless for most of the season, more beifongs oh and >>83926747
even though you probably won't notice it even on rewatch and the power of hindsight.
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>>83926720
cool
>>83926747
knew of this but is it sudden or is there at least a build up too it?
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>>83926796
Not really, you already passed the majority of the "buildup".
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>>83926796
>knew of this but is it sudden or is there at least a build up too it?
no build up at all. Asami still doesn't even has a personality at that point
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>>83926835
>>83926836
thats sucks she get shit on during the entire show.
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>>83926852
She should honestly have solved her own sub-plot in book 2 about her company and then let that be the end of it. No reason to keep her around once her company is saved as she doesn't really bring anything to the table.
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>>83916732
It was in the seacond season 2 when the Wan episodes happened. Way to kill all th mythology. Wan is like the midoclhorians of star wars
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Where are her abs?
WHERE ARE HER FUCKING ABS?
YOU PROMISED. YOU PROMISED REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>83928909
another lie from bryke
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>>83916732
>Judging the first episode retroactively by how good/bad the rest of the series was.
The first episode was great. The problems didn't really start until she met up with Mako and Bolin and started playing Pro Bending.
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Season 2 killed my brain. I was hoping it to be good after how the S1 finale was and it ended up being worse than I expected
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>it's another /co/ whines about a perfectly good show thread
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>>83916732
I barely got an "off" feeling during ep1. But it quickly crept in after that.
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>>83916732

When I saw the modern world. "wtf there are cars in the Avatar world now? This feels wrong". However, I quickly got used to it and ended up loving the show.
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>>83916732
When they bring up how Amon is a good speaker. His speech seemed really, really weak to me. That's when I lost all hopes in good dialogue.

Then Korra overhears Hiroshi about something that might be vaguely connected to the Equalists, then Korra tells Lin and Tenzin something along the lines, "I think Sato might be working with the Equalists," and they all just take it as fact. That's when I lost all hopes in good characterization.
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>>83922652
What I hated the most of that scene was the obvious form of "tell, don't show" at the end, spoken aloud so the audience can tell how to feel:

>"That was the saddest story I've ever heard."
No. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't Bryke. It was dull, rushed and full of even more "tell, not show."
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>>83916732
when the side character became the girlfriend of korra's love interest.


also

>that part when the other nigga watches them kissing and starts crying

that was /co/mblr as fuck, I mean, who the fuck starts crying?, damn sure it feels bad but come on, ain't no normal male does that.
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>>83929290
Go back to the spirit world Korra
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>>83916732
S2E1
I dropped out then and there.
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>>83930639
Fucking same
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I dropped it when they started doing Star Wars Clone Wars type recaps even using the same voice actor to do it.
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>>83930639

Why? What was wrong with that particular episode? S2 didn't really get bad until a few episodes in.
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>>83931042
Korra felt pretty OOC up until she left the south pole, didn't really get back until after her amnesia.
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>>83917682
>Nothing comes of this and no one is protecting her at the stadium nor does she have a White Lotus guard in her team and to keep it with the 1st episode there are no White Lotus guards with her when she's making her speech at the end before it shows Amon.

What if one of the team had been a young White Lotus rookie, who was her assigned guard? They demand Korra take one to keep her safe and she chooses the person she thinks is the least likely to actually prevent her doing what she wants. Could have been a cute/funny dynamic, and it would give him a reason to be back every season
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>>83924991
Notice how they're actually using and focusing on the elements themselves, earthbender manipulating the field. None of that shit happens because instead they use their powers to play dodgeball.
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just dropped this in season 2

>open this second portal that will mean the destruction of everything and i will give you your friend back
>ok
>haha thanks but im not giving you your friend back
>he tricked me!
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>>83932174

>drops it in season 2
>misses out on GOAT season 3
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>>83928909
It was a beautiful dream.
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>>83924834
It's impressive that they managed to fuck up all the excellent momentum they'd built up in season 3. For a moment, it looked like they'd found their magic again. Just a moment.
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>>83932390
True, but i guess it has to do with them not really continuing with anything from book 3.
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Season 2
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>>83922884
Nah, we bitch about lightning bending, bloodbending, air-flying as well. It cheapened what was once incredibly dangerous and rare. even if you say "oh, but it makes sense, people get better training over time," When a street-rat like Mako can use lightning like it's nothing, then it makes Azula's lightning seem just a little less impressive and dangerous.

That's what impressed me about the Zaheer/Tenzin fight. For once, it looked like they wouldn't overpower airbending the same way they did the other subsets. But then we get 2-week trained Zaheer learning to fly while Airbending Master Tenzin can't, and even if you explain it away in the plot, it makes what was once respected masters like Aang/Tenzin seem like chumps.
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>>83930639
I would say around that episode. Korra was being a cunt and so out of character I had to stop watching and never tried to catch up
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when I realized nothing that happens has consequences
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>>83932510
The thing about lightningbending is: not only many people know about it Somehow, it is said to be dangerous so why use it to generate energy?

And with Zaheer flying.. it never made sense to me that he somehow had a mindset that monks living all their lives by those ways couldn't achieve. If Aang with 11 years old could learn to 'let go', i doubt the other airbenders couldn't do that as well. It just looks like Zaheer is a special snowflake.
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>>83932510
Flight is all mental.
I don't get why people get hung up on why Zaheer can fly yet others can't. The explanation makes sense.
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>>83932687
Thing is Aang didnt actually learn to "let go". He still had his earthly attachments which was the whole idea behind him not being able to face the Fire Lord since he wouldnt be able to enter the Avatar State.

Not sure about the other monks though, i know some of them probably should have learned it.
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>>83931200
J-Jesus Christ, that could actually have been amazing.
It'd relegate Tenzin's role, of course, but seeing as how he does so little in the first season it'd be a trade-off worth exploring.
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>>83932714
The explanation is that he was able to 'let go', something that even Aang could achieve, and somehow every other airbender couldn't in hundreds of years.
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>>83932298
Even Iahfy followed the trend of making Korras breasts smaller.
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>>83916732
It was great until the love triangle took over.
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>>83925284
>>83925295
>>83925310

It rubs me the wrong way that the cluster fuck up writers behind Korea thought enough to write up rules for this. But the Marvel writers couldn't come up with some for Civil War.
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>>83932427
Which is so fucking bizarre. All this hype around the Red Lotus, and they're never brought up again. Gaddammit
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>>83932793
Saving it for comics :^)
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>>83932743
If he did not 'let go' he wouldn't go into the avatar state, or literally give his back to Katara. So yeah, he basically did.

"letting go" doesn't mean not having attachments, but knowing how to let them go when time comes. Many avatars were married and had kids.

>the whole idea behind him not being able to face the Fire Lord since he wouldnt be able to enter the Avatar State
he couldn't go into the avatar state because of the attack he suffered from Azula.

Anyway, it is just ridiculous how Zaheer can do it and somehow no other monk could
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>>83932174
>doesn't shut up about being the avatar
>"but protecting the world is mug destiny"
>sure I'll throw away the world for one kid, that's what Heroes do
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>>83932510
Tenzin had a family and was burdened with governing his people and teaching the Avatar. It was impossible for him to truly grasp the ethereal nature of air and become one with it because he was bound by earthly things.

Zaheer could only do it after decades of mediating on it and losing his last earthly tether, Pli. Fuck those other two people with him though I guess.
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>>83932766
But Aang didn't achieve that, Yangchen even told him it was impossible for the avatar to do since they are always bound the world by their responsibilities.

Also i'm not sure but it would be damn near impossible to do it for most people, and Zaheer couldn't do it until his last attachment was killed off by someone else.
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>>83932687
His entire team was made of spacial snowflakes
Except for the lava bender, he was based
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>>83932778
I miss the days of ogling Korra's tits.

>>83932792
If I recall correctly, the rules were made up more for the show's animators so that they wouldn't make any continuity errors or something.

As for "Civil War", Marvel pretty much lets their writers do what they want. It doesn't matter if it's logical or not.
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>>83926369
source i actually wanna see this
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>>83932714
No it doesn't
Reading about something doesn't mead you can apply it.
Not to mention he still held on to his revolution idea, so he didn't let go of all earthly tethers.
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>>83932956
>wouldn't make any continuity errors or something.

Lack of such a sane idea is what set off my autism when reading CW.
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>>83932991
>he was attached to the revolution idea
>it wasn't an enlightened truth

He spent atleast 13 years applying what he had read/heard.
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>>83932888
I love arguing this fucking point because it pisses me off so much:

It needs to be treated with a certain amount of respect for these crazy powers to be seen as still formidable. Lightningbending hurts because somehow, Azula's super-dangerous trick-up-her-sleeve is turned into menial labor, and no one even seems to find it impressive. Fucking Mako can bend lightning, and no one ever says "wow, you can bend lightning! That's incredible! No wonder you're team captain!"

Flight is almost the same. Tenzin talks about how crazy powerful it is, but within the context of the story, it never feels that powerful, because it feels like he was just handed a power-up. If this is a form of airbending that really has gone unexplored for 400 years, you'd better sell me on what an impressive accomplishment that is, and they never did.

He lost his love. You think monks, training their entire lives in the intervening 400 years never lost people? why couldn't they do it?

Tenzin lost his earthly tether? Then why does he still care about earthly things - like Killing Korra? Why does he laugh maniacally when he thinks she's dead? If he's really so detached from airbending, to the point that no other monk within 400 years has reached this point of detachment, why does he still act like Zaheer?

ahhh, that was nice
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>>83933140
>why couldn't they do it?
I think they would have a harder time with it since they would have to do it while free. They'd have attachments to friends and family, their temples and their freedom (listed since air is the element of freedom). Zaheer had lost all that when they got thrown in jail. He had those 13 years to contemplate and accept all he had lost with no hope for getting it back, and apparently the only thing he couldn't let go was his love P'li. So when we see him he is already detached from the world only tethered by love, so when she dies he is at last free and gains flight.

Why he still fights could be because he has to do it. It's not something he wants or needs to do. He isn't attached to this idea that he has to do it, it's just something that has to be done. (though this point is a bit undermined by Bryke needing to dumbdown their villains).

Also i do agree with you on lightning and bloodbending. Aswell as them not selling flight as this epicly rare ability (though i don't believe it to be necessarily powerful just a pure expression of airbending)
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>>83916732
I was willing to accept a lot of the flaws of the show for the first season. But after the fan pandering and bullshit ending of Season 2, I lost interest in the show.
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>>83930705
I hated that shit so much. I get what they were going for but t didn't work for me.
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>>83933140
Because his goals had to do with people gaining a similar mental state that he had where the material meant nothing it was a revolution of thought and not an earthly thing. The nigga flew, just because you decide you weren't impressed by that doesn't change the fact that he defies gravity because he thinks gravity is a bitch.
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>>83928909
There wasn't enough artistic appreciation of Korra's goddess-like form, this was never corrected throughout four whole seasons somehow.
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>>83932766
Aang never let go of everything.

>>83932838
Flight is permanently letting go. The Avatar could never "let go" since they are bound to the world.
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>>83932766
To be fair, his tall waifu was killed off. Sometimes that is enough for people to detach themselves.
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>>83917423

I stopped watching after the first season. I didn't really care for pro-bending and I didn't like the characters or connect with them as much as I did with the ATLA characters.
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>>83934173
Probending was used far too much but not a bad idea by itself.
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>>83918746
Because Aang can potentially "copy" their powers?
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>>83922774
To be fair some people did dislike it from the start.
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>>83922774
Stupid dumb Mishaposter
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>>83916732
When young Korra jumped in, proclaiming she's the Avatar.
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>>83932891
> they are always bound the world by their responsibilities
if the definition goes that deep, then Zaheer also wasn't able to 'let go'.
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>>83933874
>Aang never let go of everything
He 'let go' enough to open all his chakras

>The Avatar could never "let go" since they are bound to the world
the hell that even means? and so is zaheer, and.. well, everybody.
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>>83933670
If 1/8 of every episode had been devoted to Korra working out, it would have been a good show.
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>>83937782
Why couldn't Zaheer do that? The Avatar has to be attached to the world in order to protect it and to maintain the balance, Zaheer doesn't have to since he isn't given a job due to who he his.

He could very much have let go and still recognize the Avatar as a problem for true freedom for the world, and as such a problem that needs to be removed if the world is to become free.
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>>83937932
That would have been amazing. Realistically, I would have accepted one per season along with regular shots of Korra's abs.
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>>83917747
>>can bend without any training
I can throw a punch without any training. That doesn't mean I'm *good* at it.
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>>83938559
Untrained benders are shown to have barely any ability to control elements without focus in ATLA.
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>>83938521
You see Kabaneri has it right. They carefully place some muscle service whenever they can afford it.

I really wish we got to see more than Korra's admittedly impressive back.
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I wanted buff korra scenes. Why were they so rare in the show?
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I'll give it this: It did way better with
>What do we do now that all the material was used up in the last thing?
than animated movie sequels do.
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>>83939677
Fucked if I know.
I hope the comics at least have a little of that.
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>>83917682
You just made me realize,

Why was Korra's parent's house so shit? The reason the igloos in ATLA were shit, was because they had no waterbenders. Shouldn't the south pole have more buildings made of ice instead of blocks of snow?
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>when you can see the clear divide between people who dislike korra for valid reasons and people who dislike korra just because its the cool thing to do
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>>83940013
Name and explain in detail how any of the reasons here are not "valid" as you would put it.
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>>83939955
>Why was Korra's parent's house so shit?

It seemed fine to me.
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>>83940045
im just saying if by the end of episode 1 you felt that the series has got off to a wrong start, you probably went in looking to hate it

most of the problems with korra were in the conclusion of conflict and finales, not in world-building
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>>83940112
I'd say the dislike for the terrible romance were detectable immediately, along with things like the pro-bending and Korra being presented so flippantly. She's apparently a prodigy and has confidence for days but gets her ass kicked at every major fight and mopes about it. The obvious love triangle as well.

There were plenty of things to pick up on and people did complain about them.
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>>83932510
Lightning bending wasn't that bad. We only see like 8 people do it including Mako. Mako also wasn't just a random street rat; he learned it from Lightning Bolt Zolt.

>then it makes Azula's lightning seem just a little less impressive and dangerous.
Azula's lightning was bullshit too desu.

>Iroh: you need a clear mind to use lightning bending or you might kill yourself
>Azula uses lightning when she's totally fucking crazy and cackling like mad

>Iroh invents lightning redirection by studying waterbending
>Zuko manages to grasp it as he doesn't use the rage-based firebending style
>Azula lightning redirects despite still being crazy, having never been taught it, and it having it be unintuitive to her bending style

>Airbending Master Tenzin can't, and even if you explain it away in the plot, it makes what was once respected masters like Aang/Tenzin seem like chumps.
Tenzin and Aang were to preoccupied with worldly concerns to actually reach detachment. Tenzin was too concerned with re-building and leading the airbenders, so he never had time for detachment.

>bloodbending
It really was just 3 guys who could do it, and they're all related.

>>83937850
>the hell that even means? and so is zaheer, and.. well, everybody.
In Book 3, Yangchen told Aang that he couldn't seek detachment/enlightenment from the world since the Avatar's duty was to the world.
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Here's my honest opinion of the show, taking into account my first impressions.

I loved Season 1. It seemed fun, it took ideas that were in ATLA and expanded them, and had an interesting concept that the first show never brought up, benders vs nonbenders. Amon was cool, and things were fun, even if the ending was a bit bullshit, what with pulling the old "energybending" bullshit again.

Season 2 was weak. I didn't enjoy it. The "First Avatar" episodes were godlike, but then it was back to being dull. If I wanted a Dragon Ball Z finale, I would watch Dragon Ball Z. Also, the idea that the spirit world went from being a bizarre, alien world with monsters and creatures beyond our understanding to generic spirits was terrible. An insult to the original show.

Season 3 was really, really good. It pulled on that world-traveling feeling that ATLA had, gave us an interesting villain and what was basically "The Anti-Avatar" group, and actually fucking delivered on an ending that changed the formula. I am of the firm belief that if Korra ended in Season 3, it would be loved, or at least liked here.

Season 4 started with promise, but I gave up all hope the moment it became a fucking mecha show. It was bad. B A D bad. And really, it wasn't too good to begin with, what with the retarded "spirit vines" thing. You could tell that they were trying to make a villain who was basically the Fire Lord with a twist, but they failed. And yeah, the lesbian thing was contrived, but that's no where near bad enough to ruin the season. The plot did that enough.

And looking back, the show was on rocky ground to start with. It committed the fanfiction sin of taking rare powers from the source material, and turning it into something commonplace. Lightning, I can buy. Bloodbending, bullshit. And the romance was bad from the start, but forgivable in season 1. After that, they stretched it out too much.

Season 1 was good, 2 was bad, 3 was amazing and 4 was shit. Bad finale for a decent show.
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>>83932939
>His entire team was made of spacial snowflakes
Well they were basically just an evil Gaang, and the Gaang was all special snowflakes too, if not more so.
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>>83940213
>Lightning bending

It's not even technically 'Lightning bending'. It can't be bent. There's only generating or redirecting lightning. It can't be manipulated in the same way the base elements are.
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>>83940205
>every fight
for one episode...?
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>>83916869
This.
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>>83940345
I think she got her ass kicked more than that in season 1.
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>>83917682
>She went to the city without any money
>So her parents didn't give her any? Nor did the White Lotus ever move them up in life for giving them the next kung fu Jesus?

It was explained in Roku's past this was Buddhist stuff they encourage and sometimes even force The Avatar to do.
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>>83940808
>It was explained in Roku's past this was Buddhist stuff they encourage and sometimes even force The Avatar to do.

Along with keeping the Avatar locked up because 4 guys, who were up to no good, started making trouble in the neighborhood.

It was a special circumstance surrounded by lies and didn't make sense considering how many of Aang's relations would be able to provide safety and were big names in the world.

>>83940345
He was talking about the rest of the first season. Yes the question was about the first episode but the rest of his example already showed he wasn't limiting himself to that.
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>>83941003
>how many of Aang's relations would be able to provide safety and were big names in the world.
>Aang

Aang is a poor example to use since he couldn't follow the typical peacetime training progression the other avatars did.
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>>83917682
>Korra earthbends the street, a street made of earthbendable materials
>>She's the bigger criminal than the people threatening civilians in broad daylight and have a known history.
>>Why can't they just re-earthbend the street to normal? The shot pans out so we see the destruction of the earthbending, not the damage done to the shop.

This pissed me off because The Triads were the biggest threat at that point:meaning Korra was entirely within her authority as The Avatar taking them down. Stating that should have ended the confrontation with Lin immediately.
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Korra should have been a second Kyoshi, we should have seen her kick ass and take names, stomping her enemies and over ruling anyone who dared get in her way. Instead she was just a bitch ass who let people boss her around because "muh modern society" and "muh airbending philosophy"
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>>83941267
>Korra should have been a second Kyoshi, we should have seen her kick ass and take names, stomping her enemies and over ruling anyone who dared get in her way

>implying Kyoshi did anything of the sort
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Korra is a slut.
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>>83941323
>Implying she didnt
Get out Earth King.
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>>83941267
Would have been too been-there-done-that for a show. Korra did ok for what it was:staying after the party was over.
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>>83938097
>The Avatar has to be attached to the world in order to protect it and to maintain the balance
He is not obligated to do that. Anyway, isn't what zaheer was trying to do also "protect the world" in his own way? if he can just let go of his goal, why can't the avatar?
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>>83941549
No it wouldnt, since we only got a general sense of what she did, we only saw like 3 actual instances of her being awesome. Seeing that in depth would have been far better.
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>>83916732
Book 1 wasn't bad. It was after that that things went downhill.
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>>83941589
I meant for /co/-related material in general.
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>>83941579
Actually the avatar is by virtue of being the avatar obligated, they can't opt out if they don't want to be the avatar.

Zaheer on the other hand didn't stick to his goal so to speak. You could say killing the avatar has nothing to do with him, it's a thing that needs to happen for a certain outcome. And since no one else has realised this it has to be Zaheer doing it. He is not attached to the idea of killing her or it being him doing it, but it's a thing that has to happen.
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I was disappointed when I could take a look at each character and completely suss out their one note role in the plot by appearance alone. If it weren't for my actually being interested in the plot of the season, I wouldn't have kept watching. And then they wrapped it up way too neatly. I stopped watching after that.

My problem with most shows like this is that the worlds are usually so interesting, but as the seasons go on, especially when there's one long overarching plot (like AtLA) then the series becomes less about the adventure and more about character drama.

Case in point, lesbo Korra.
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>>83941686
Even in /co/related material i cant think of very many instances that would be similar to what an Avatar Kyoshi like experience would be.

She was ruthlessly devoted to justice and peace and didnt take shit from anyone. When the Earth King demanded that she help her stop a peasant uprising she said it wouldnt be right. The Earth King tried to detain her only for her to fuck up his guards and tell him to watch his damn mouth because her authority was far above his.

I cant think of anything Korra really did that was all that special. I never really saw her develop into a strong leader that they wanted to show happen. She got stronger, more grounded, but i could never see her even measuring up to the likes of Aang at the end of his journey.
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>>83941812
>She was ruthlessly devoted to justice and peace
>didn't stop a peasant uprising that caused a ton of damage to historical landmarks/artifacts

Doesn't sound like she was devoted justice and peace to me.
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>>83940213
>Azula uses lightning when she's totally fucking crazy and cackling like mad

She had a fucking breakdown. Normal people have those so stop saying she is insane.
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>>83942066
Scrapper pls go
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>>83942058
Their revolt was just, the king was an incompetent tyrant and there could be no peace so long as his outlook remained the same.
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>>83942137
It doesn't say anywhere that the king was incompetent or tyrant. It just says he was unpopular.

And if Kyoshi was devoted to peace, why would she allow an uprising?
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>>83942194
The peasants had no voice in the kingdom, they were ignored. He would also attempt to imprison the Avatar. All signs point to him being a gigantic corrupt asshole.

And she is devoted which is why they had to reach a compromise.
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>>83941728
>they can't opt out if they don't want to be the avatar
they can literally just opt out. The avatar is just a human. What are they going to do? revoke his avatar priviledges?

>it's a thing that needs to happen for a certain outcome
that 'outcome' is what he planned for decades. It only has to happen because he thinks so. Let me make it simple: why does he wakes up one day and say "you know what? i'm going to kill the avatar". If it is somehow for the good of the world, or to follow some sort of idea, this is an attachment. It is very clear zaheer isn't doing this randomly, so i doubt he doesn't have some kind of sentiment for it. He even gets irritated in the end when he is defeated.
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I watched all 4 seasons, and I only realized it was shit in hindsight.
I always knew that there was something wrong, but I was never able to point it out while I was still watching it.
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>>83942263
>peasants had no voice in the kingdom
>peasants ever having a voice in a kingdom
Kyoshi didn't need to allow the uprising that destroyed a bunch of shit. You mentioned she's got higher authority. She could have just pulled that card immediately instead of letting a bunch of shit getting destroyed.
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>>83942363
No he can't, he is fated to be the avatar and thus can't fight his destiny. Or if you want the Raava one, the person chosen is the right person to be avatar and will go along with it. Being the avatar also comes with expectations and responsibilities that they can't back out of with good conciense so even if they didn't do their job the guilt would keep them attacked.

>Let me make it simple: why does he wakes up one day and say "you know what? i'm going to kill the avatar"
Because he didn't? He specificly goes out of his way to not take credit for his actions, like in Ba Sing Se where he remains anonymous. His original plan was also to capture and train the avatar, but that changed later on. And the outcome is a free world which isn't his dream it's a truth he probably learned while in prison for 13 years leaving his attachments behind.
It might not be very clear or well done by Bryke also considering the sock moment, but it does make sense when you think about it in relation to his detachment.

>He even gets irritated in the end when he is defeated.
Didn't he just get interruptet while yelling about them being too late to save korra?
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>>83942508
They wouldnt be so many of them destroying his kingdom if he wasnt such a shit ruler, it's why he needed her help, because it was too much for his forces. So yes, she did need to let them to get it through his stupid thick skull that he sucks. And she only pulled that card on him because he's retarded.
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>>83916732
"I'm the avatar! You gotta deal with it!" or when she was lying back on Naga or whatever the dog was called and had that really dumb look on her face, I forgot which came first
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>>83942609
Or she could have just used a peaceful solution instead of letting valuable historical artifacts and landmarks get destroyed instead of pulling a Kyoshi and doing nothing.
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>>83942662
Yeah, let her just pull a peaceful solution out of her ass, that will last. Get out Earth King.
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>>83916732
I think I could tell something was off by just how different everything was in the first episode, but I still gave it a chance thinking it could still be a good series, but I was just really wrong, to me Korra is pretty much equivalent to the Star Wars Prequels in the ways that it had some neat flashy elements but just failed to deliver on the things that made the original series so great.

Just thinking about it there really are a lot of parallels between Korra and the prequels from the overexplanation of the universe that just made everything less interesting, the way it tried to take on more mature themes but ultimately handled them in a far less mature manner than before, dwelling in 1 location too long when there's a whole bunch of other interesting things to see and the vastly diminished "mysticism" from the older series to the newer one.
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>>83942543
>No he can't, he is fated to be the avatar and thus can't fight his destiny
And who is going to tell him that? he can literally just do nothing and tell everyone to fuck off. Technically, even Korra did that sometimes. Saying that they will always feel guilty even if they don't do it is just baseless speculation.

>Because he didn't
he was just walking and happens to find the avatar and accidentally attack her?

>He specificly goes out of his way to not take credit for his actions
taking credit is not irrelevant to the fact it was his goal

>the outcome is a free world which isn't his dream
it is irrelevant if it is a dream or not; it's a goal that he set and for whatever reason he wants to do it. That's an attachment. He didn't randomly decided to kill the avatar; there is an objective behind it that he tried to explain more than once.

>Didn't he just get interruptet while yelling about them being too late to save korra
i'm talking about after they saved her. He was clearly annoyed.
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>>83939677
Because she wasn't really buff.

She was meant to be 1:1 of Allison Stokke years ago but with larger breasts. They went full sexist and shrank her breasts out of fear of being sexist as the show went on though...
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