Anyone else getting tired of the cutesy, chibi-inspired aesthetic in western cartoons? Where all the characters look like they're basically inspired by Hello Kitty?
That's just a shitty web toon/scam
But what do you actually want cartoons to look like pham?
>>83911277
No, you can't have another calarts thread, just let that meme die please
>>83911370
It'd be nice to have something a little more traditional but still cartoony, like pic related. Or even a Gerald McBoingBoing look to it. So far, I can only really think of three cartoons that have that aesthetic I like: Pig Goat Banana Cricket, Loud House (Sometimes), and my favorite is Wander but that's ending now.
>>83911484
The reason this style is not very common right now is because a lot of the humor in cartoons now is dialog and character based, and this art style is more suited for sight gags with more elaborate animation.
>>83911277
The only shows that do this are Bee and Puppycat and SU, I wouldn't call that the entire industry.
>>83911277
nope. love it
but i would like to also have serious action shows please.
>>83911556
>>83911594
My impression was that it was more common because it is significantly easier (cheaper) to animate.
>>83911594
Adventure Time is very cutesy (And by association, Bravest Warriors as well). They don't even really do wacky faces like they used to in the early seasons. The difference between them and Regular Show is that AT tries to use a lot of cute expressions, blushing, soft appealing colors, cute poses, etc. Regular Show doesn't nearly try to push Mordecai into looking as cute as Finn or PB and in fact look like some old MTV cartoon.
We Bare Bears has a very cutesy art style. Amazing World of Gumball's main characters are basically Japanese-inspired sticker designs. I'm not sure if I should include PPG since they're designed to be cute but they're also a decade old product.
I could debate with you whether or not Harvey Beaks is trying to be cutesy, but I'll omit it from the list for now. It's CN and all their alumni being the biggest culprits of this style and they're unfortunately the ones producing the most cartoons out of the big three right now.
>>83911770
You'd be right.
>>83911770
That's what i was inferring: they have a simpler, cheaper to animate style because their comedy comes from the writing. If they made Ed, Edd n Eddy now and it had a similar style to AT or SU it would be a disaster.
>>83911902
>If they made Ed, Edd n Eddy now and it had a similar style to AT or SU it would be a disaster.
But Sugar loves EEnE and was clearly influenced by it in her decision to have a bunch of funny faces throughout the show.
It must be the anime influence, since that all looks the same.
God fuck this shit. Every cartoon character that wasn't made by anyone trained in a Hanna barbera style is made out of rounded circles and squares.
Also what's with new cartoon pacing? The pacing is so fast and choppy that you can't even let yourself breathe during back and forth dialog. I remember when cartoons had long spans of silence and they had to use pantomime to tell parts the story. And it was more interesting than rapid blabering. Everyone's fucking trying too hard I swear
>>83911902
>>83911945
Plus one of the storyboard artists (Raven Molisee) actually boarded on ed edd n eddy
>>83911945
>Steven going off model and Sugar liking EEnE means SU is like Ed, Edd n Eddy
Dude no, their art style and brand of humor are completely different.
I think it's an exaggeration to compare it to Hello Kitty. And no, i'm not particularly tired of it. It's aesthetically pleasing compared to a lot of other popular cartoons pre adventure time.
New artists are too scared to animate characters that are hard to draw. Period. Some shows make up for it. Some definitely dont. It's a shame we can't really tell one artist from the other.
Sucrose's soft core porn has more individuality in character design than Steven Universe. I think developmental teams that get their hands on good artists work end up fucking it up for everybody else in the name of "improving" design. New cartoonists need to be more assertive with their style and stick to what makes them stand out, not blend in.
>>83912015
Does anyone want to play jacks after dinner?
>>83911945
>Sugar loves EEnE
she loves to make porn of EEnE
>>83912356
>>83912040
>>83912356
This.
Love it or hate it, the trend in western cartoons is to lower the animation costs, and having a decent story seems to be enough to balance out their profits. I wouldn't expect cartoons with animation above what we currently have.
I mean look at the thundercats remake, it was amazing and CN dropped it the second LEGO pitched a ripoff of the show, Legends of chima or something like that.
(Ya not a popular opinion just a pragmatic one, I'd love to be wrong.)
>Anyone else getting tired of the cutesy, chibi-inspired aesthetic in western cartoons?
Welcome to /co/, punch is by the entrance, bathroom's on the left.
>>83912503
I believe there are ways around this, as someone majoring in animation I definitely see why certain characters look the way they do. I think artists are still experimenting. I wouldn't say cartoons will look anything like this in 10 years when we've balanced experience, technology and affordability.
>>83911277
>Where all the characters look like they're basically inspired by Hello Kitty?
The Hello Kitty look isn't really common at all. Bee and Puppycat is the only one doing it.
>>83911277
>>83911484
Uncle Grandpa could still fit into that same category. It might not push the cartoony look as far as PGBC or Wander, but it's far more similar in that regard than most modern cartoons.
>>83912503
which is weird because animation has never been cheaper or faster than it is now. it's practically automated.. you literally just have to make a bunch of drawings on a tablet and send the files to processing. no more ink, no more paint..
>>83912015
Cause cartoons are now 10mins only now.
>>83911277
I too tire of this cutesy stuff
I'd like something with more depth and grit, like Waltz with Bashir or Persepolis. This can be done in a Present, past and future setting with magic and tech and everything. Sure, it's not for kids, but maybe you can make these journeys into the human condition at least viewable to kids (ie: hardly any imagery of violence, but mentions of it)
>>83913495
I love Persepolis. It was an excellent tale of humanity and change. However, if I were a 7-12 yo kid looking forward to my cartoons, I probably wouldn't be drawn to the style and pacing that mirrored Persepolis.
>>83911277
I don't mind the look. It's when they act stupid in an unfunny way like Bee that I dislike.
>>83914962
I think B&P would be better if they gave the characters more personality. Ever time I watch it, it feels like the characters lack emotional depth. As much as people on /co/ hate on Steven Universe, the characters in SU have more than just one or two levels of emotional depth.
>>83913495
I always thought Hey Arnold was as gritty as a kids cartoon could get
>>83913495
Yeah no
Do that and see your ratings drop faster than a brick. Kids would not watch that at all.
I like the cutesy style most known shows use, and it's a matter of opinion if like it or not. The current trend is this, and if you don't like, you have two options: Wait for it to change, or change it yourself.
The real cancerous stuff here, and this is seen on every era, is when people with no talent try to copy this trendy style, but fails to catch what's the point of it.
See, movies like pic related try to copy Disney's style, and it backfires, making it annoying.
So when Tumblr, or Deviantart whatever, tries to imitate this but cannot do it corectly, we get those pesky red noses and noddle arms that feel forced and stupid. Or that fucking show in OP, which i don't know how people here hyped it.
>>83916987
>The real cancerous stuff here, and this is seen on every era, is when people with no talent try to copy this trendy style, but fails to catch what's the point of it.
So the real danger is when people try to capture anime without understanding it so it becomes a shallow product? So, like now? You even said just like Bee and Puppycat, so I don't know what point you were proving to who.
>>83911987
>le anime all looks the same meme
let's not do this here.
>>83911790
And it works, given how successful these shows are.
>>83911484
You also forgot pic related which can is in my opinion, the best looking cartoon out right now.
>>83916987
Thankfully once an art style trend gets surpassed by another, the old one is only still used by long running shows that won't be cancelled or shows created by cartoonists that are really passionate about the style and will pour their hearts to making the best use of the style (pic related).
>>83917622
>All of these shows get beat in the ratings by Teen Titans Go! and Loud House
Feels good, man.
Why hasn't there been a vaporwave-style aesthetic yet? Like a merge between the grainey style of the R-rated animated movies of the 70's and 80's, the cutesy chibi style of today and the retro style of tex avery cartoons from the golden age of animation.
Please some drawfag illustrate a representation of this aesthetic.
>>83917620
Don't even try it, the other /a/utist already got BTFO'ed on the other bait thread and had to resort to "b-b-but much animu designs are all about fashun" when he couldn't defend the same face of anime.
>>83917700
>In Too Deep managed to blow TTG out of the water.
>TTG had it's reruns toned down.
Indeed, it feels good.
>>83917868
>when he couldn't defend the same face of anime
This is my biggest oproblem, are all animators autistic or something?
>>83917930
Nope, they're just not feed enough vitamins.
>>83914361
The pacing would not be good for a saturday morning cartoon, but it'd be awesome to show how much changed under the new totalitarian system. What we would consider normal now had all sorts of rules and police watching your actions. So who would MC tell that friend-of-a-different-gender how much they liked them? Would they try to set up a chain of communication, friends and family helping them pass notes from one to another, and so on? How do you try to adapt to change and still keep your personality strong and vibrant? Good lessons for kids going through difficult times
>>83915682
Hey Arnold was great. I loved the show, and also was impacted by emotional episodes like Birdman and The Christmas SpecialMy personal favorite
>>83915800
Of course you cant have dark, gloomy and gritty all the time. But to still try to have adult influences floating around in a children's cartoon would be appreciated. Lessons to help children cope with very difficult topics, and have characters, that while they may not hold a great deal of magical/physical/etc power, are strong enough to overcome these challenges that even we have difficulty dealing with
>>83917872
>It takes four years for Steven Universe to catch up and beat TTG
>Immediately gets blown the fuck out by Loud House
Kids just aren't as interested in pastel colored lesbian melodrama as you are, sorry.
>>83912356
those are not mutually exclusive
>>83918096
>four years
Not even TTG has been around that long: More like a little over 2 and 1/2
>>83911277
I still think the pilot is one of the best pieces, I ever seen. The real show made me die a little inside.
>>83918096
>Kids just aren't as interested in pastel colored lesbian melodrama as you are, sorry.
The fact that it has merch and strong ratings (up there with Gumball) kind of proves you wrong..
>>83918096
Then why has SU been on for three seasons? Autism can only sustain a show for so long. (I.E. WOY)
>>83918484
>Thinking amount of seasons = quality.
Damn I guess Uncle Grandpa is on par with SU then.
>>83918555
UG is a quality show.
I don't get the hate for it.
>>83918555
Use logic anon.
If kids really didn't like it, like you said, it'd be canned after Ocean Gem. Too bad so sad, everyone moves on with their life.
But it's confirmed for at least 104 episodes, so some kids must be watching it.
>>83911277
I can't stand that art style. It's the laziest garbage ever and is rampant among modern webcomics.
>>83917700
>>83918096
I love the Loud House, but I feel the reason it has so much high ratings is because the bar is set that low for Nick.
What's their competition; the sponge and some bottom tier Schneider shows.
>>83918625
Use reading comprehension, anon.
I never said kids didn't like it, but surprise surprise, they're not as interested in Sugar's shipping fuel tear-filled show meant for teenage girls as they are a fun comedy.
I will never understand the immense popularity of Loud House. It's got a cool artstyle, and it's sort of funny, but people are praising it as the second coming, and it's not the usual waifufaggotry.
Maybe it just goes to show that no matter how far cartoons progress, classic family sitcom dynamics will always get better ratings.
>>83918688
>implying SU can't be a fun comedy (Say Uncle)
>implying TLH isn't shipping fuel
>>83918718
>Needs to mooch off an actual comedy to be a comedy
>Thinking /co/ shipping means a show has actual shipping fuel
Keep reaching.
>>83918674
Sponge Out of Water got $300 mil and another film deal, kids will never tire of the Sponge the same way America will never get tired of Mickey Mouse.
>>83918714
Remember, Loud House airs on the same channel as two zombie shows and vapid kidcoms.
A show about a jar of mayo would shine in field of turds.
>>83918589
It's a comedy show that utilizes a different art style than what's expected nowadays and doesn't push some sort of """""""""""deep"""""""" narrative or anything. I love it too and it's a shame it's getting canceled
>>83918744
>needs to mooch of an actual comedy to be a comedy
But it was written by the SU crew.
And what counts as shipping fuel then?
>>83918793
>It's a comedy show that utilizes a different art style than what's expected nowadays and doesn't push some sort of """""""""""deep"""""""" narrative or anything
So by going by this thread, shouldn't /co/ be sucking UG's dick?
I don't know what /co/ wants sometimes.
>>83918802
>And what counts as shipping fuel then?
The artists supporting it enough to throw hints around in the show because they know fans love shipping their characters.
Let me know when there's a period where all the girls dance erotically with Lincoln and one of them throws him up against a wall while he blushes.
>>83918096
The reason TTG has had ratings is because up until now that was 65% of CN's schedule.
>>83918841
>Let me know when there's a period where all the girls dance erotically with Lincoln and one of them throws him up against a wall while he blushes
That sounds like something that would happen on the show.
>>83918841
You sound like a prude.
>>83917736
Moonbeam City?
I don't know if that's what you're going for though.
>>83918793
Well you also just described Gumball and WOY and those are both...in questionable and uncertain situations regarding cancellation.
Damn.
>>83911277
On /co/ they are two reactions to cartoon styles.
It looks the same as everything else (SU, GF)
It looks ugly as fuck (UG, BB)
There are rare exceptions.
>>83918841
Reminder that CN Twitter confirmed Peridot and Amethyst as nothing more than "unlikely friends" and that no amount of confused fifteen-year-old tumblr girls can change that.
>>83918911
That show was radcunningham
>>83915168
They tried the emotional shit with Deckard(??) wanting to stay for Bee and Bee feeling bad about it, but that didn't really come across well because Bee acts like a legit fucking idiot all the time. I don't understand how anyone in the staff thinks it's funny.
>>83918975
>Gumball
>in questionable and uncertain situations regarding cancellation
Really, Haven't been keeping up with it in a while. I know that they ordered season 5 at the same time they did season 4
>>83913403
This is true, but now expectations seem to be higher than ever (in general) for a show to be produced quickly.
>>83911277
Nah cuz I don't watch stupid shit I don't like.
What the fuck am I doing here?
>>83911277
We need to fire Alex Hirsch and Rebecca Sugar.
>>83911277
How do we save American animation?
>>83916987
Pilot showed promise. Art style and Bee were tolerable. They cranked it up in the final product though
>>83918589
Uncle Grandpa is great! Though, I wish they'd improved the background style earlier on instead of 90+ episodes in. The boring backgrounds have always been my pet peeve.
>>83912046
He didn't say it was exactly like Ed Edd n Eddy.
>>83918096
Doesn't Nick get significantly higher viewership than CN in general, though?
>>83911277
Breaking news!
>cutesy bland blobby artstyle
>pastel colors
>various layers of irony
>80's nostalgia pandering
>lazy tired sounding VAing
>ukulele music
>"we're hip and WITH IT"
>mediocre teenager romances
>DEEPEST LORE
yes i am tired
I WANT IT TO END
>>83918484
autism continues to sustain mlp, su is the exact same thing
>>83921294
You're missing chiptunes music.
>>83911277
Bee and Puppycat is your only real strong evidence, and we universally hate that for good reason. Steven has the pallet but not the designs you speak of.
>>83911277
It's how they make fatceptance look "cute".
>>83921413
>Steven has the pallet but not the designs you speak of.
>>83917868
>/a/utist
Dude, even /a/ doesnt believe in that shit what that guy thinks.
>>83921407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnyqQPzAAiI
>>83921466
Ok, now use something from the actual show.
>>83921466
That's a deliberate homage, not the show's normal art style (though story boarder Katie Mitroff's style dips into this at times)
>>83912407
Its nice if only because it captures their personalities.
>>83917930
So how many people have this problem? Myself i dont have problem with it at all really. I mean Kyoto animation has this sameface but i think it is their style.
>>83911790
Harvey Beaks is pretty much CH Greenblatt's natural style, which itself is basically a cutesy version of Aaron Springer's style
>>83921518
>thinking using this webm somehow proves SU is cool or badass
The whole point of a chibi in a show is that it periodically shows up for random cuteness, not that the design change is permanent.
>>83921583
What? I just used that because it was the first thing with Opal I saw to compare to chibi Opal from those commercial things. Any other context is shit you dragged outta that yourself.
>>83912503
>I mean look at the thundercats remake, it was amazing
and the ratings were in the toilet possibly because the writing was not up to snuff
>>83921518
Did she eat a bee or something?
>>83912503
Thundercats 2011 was animated by honorary Aryans
>>83922025
And this doesn't mean it's higher cost because making anime episode is cheaper than average Western cartoon episode and something like One Punch Man had average TV anime budget. Japan just has sakuga culture and what matters most is that how much time you have and how good relations the animation director has with the good key animators. But considering half of CN shows are constantly on months long hiatus despite the actual animation being outsourced to Koreans and Indians the time shouldn't be a problem since they actually have the possibility to take these absurd breaks unlike Japanese animators who MUST get the episode out in certain time and then you get rushed production if someone fucks up the schedule.
>>83913403
You still have to make the drawings one at a time like before, and someone still has to color them and composite them into the scene, move the camera, and add effects. It's just a lot easier than before.
>>83917868
I didn't get BTFO. I explained how anime character design works and unless I left the thread early I don't think anyone responded to me afterwards. Yes, fashion and style are integral parts of anime character design. No, faces don't exist in a vacuum. There's also a difference between two characters drawn in the same style and two characters drawn in different styles.
>>83917930
Why would they be autistic?
>>83921493
/a/'s users are mostly idiots who don't know anything about anime, so I would think twice before trying to appeal to them as an authority.
I will never be not salty for backing this.
>>83922124
>/a/ users are mostly idiots who dont know anything about anime
They still know more than you and dont try to say that it is pinnacle of the animation.
>>83922457
They know less, and anime is the pinnacle of animation.
>>83922343
the fucking series not even work for lewds
>>83922514
Hahah no its not. And even as weeb i know this but i dont care because i still enjoy it.
>>83922718
Don't try to give your claim more credibility by appealing to you being a "weeb."
Anime is superior when it comes to design, animation, art, filmmaking, music, sound, voices, writing, diversity and quantity.
>>83922580
>not "Purrfect"
Literally the easiest thing in the world and they fucked it up.
>>83922851
like the fucking cartoon.
>>83920679
Basically.
I think the difference is simply how they are scheduled.
Shows like TLH or HB come befire the tween coms and after Nick JR./Spingebill reruns, so there is also a sense of scarcity.
Also, Nickelodeon doesen't let it's apps overshadow the channel like CN does.
>>83920679
>>83922902
Why does Nick get more viewers if you can get CN on the same cable package?
>Also, Nickelodeon doesen't let it's apps overshadow the channel like CN does.
Did CN used to evenly compete with Nick until this, or were they always second-rate to Nick?
>>83922880
Let's be fair cartoons are hard.
Puns are not.
>>83922913
>Why does Nick get more viewers if you can get CN on the same cable package?
...Becue Nickelodeon is just objectively better?
That's like preffering Miller to Coors and wondering how they're allowed to put them in the same fridge.
Just because CN isn't as good doesn't mean Turner/Warner Bros. can't be allowed to pit their channels and shows against Disney and Viacom.
>Did CN used to evenly compete with Nick until this, or were they always second-rate to Nick?
They used to compete pretty evenly before CN put all of it's eggs in one basket.
Nick might not be making mad amounts of dosh from their Apps, but that's because they have more than just the mobile market to help them stay relevant and to keep them afloat.
>>83923067
>*Because
>*Preferring
>Whycantiholdallofthesetypos.png
4chan.
It's a helluva drug.
>>83921518
Why does she has an anus instead of mouth?
But isn't that kinda what the market has become, kids don't watch that much cartoons anymore, so they make them for manchildren and women.
>>83923100
>>83923100
This might be the most Reddit post I've ever read, why don't you kids stick in /b/ for a year or two anymore?
>>83922343
That's a disappointing shift in animation
>>83923100
>your entire fucking post
>>83923100
>4chan.
>It's a helluva drug.
>>>Whycantiholdallofthesetypos.png
>>83923100
i want reddit to leave
>>83923100
>misusing greentext
>4chan it's a helluva drug
>Whycantiholdallofthesetypos.png
just fucking leave
>>83917930
Tell me.
>>83921518
Holy shit that looks cheap for an action scene.
>>83923100
>dubs
Is this what 4chan came to be
I just want this place to keep the spooky internet bogeyman with pedophile hacker status to keep the fucking normies out
>>83924531
That's what anime does, which is a heavy influence on this series.
>>83924551
This place hasn't been like that for years, man. Now people just associate it with trolls, racists and misogynists.
>>83922343
>when they release the new "episode" several months late, they put a raincoat over the MC so they don't have to animate the limbs.
Also, that second to last pic gives me a My Neighbor Totoro feeling
>>83924560
For real? And people are defending this?
>>83924440
How was he being autistic?
>>83924552
>That's what anime does
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR1cMPnMcaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nXVBDVUWVU#t=1m00s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92cesUa9ORc#t=0m56s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU_uEdrrhXM#t=2m00s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCidVF9GRY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLyK0gJf5U4#t=1m55s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HOAuiY5XFQ
>>83924559
>trolls
or more like not treating the internet as if it was everything of your life and having some fun with it
>racist
More like race realist
>misogynists
are they even trying with this one
>>83924571
>And people are defending this?
They aren't.
That's why one of the backers uploaded that shit to 4chan 15 minutes after they gave it out to "backers only" even after they put a short pledge not to do that before the cartoon
>>83924601
He, with all his fucking collegues is turning the animation industry into a show off pretty girls with all the same face just so he can stare at them.
How was he not being autistic?
>>83924552
>That's what (genre) does
I swear to God /sug/fags are the most delusional contrarians on 4chan right next to /mu/fags
>>83924601
So you picked out the scenes where they put most of the animation budget which only happens for specific moments in anime. Pick an average episode and you won't get that same quality.
>>83924551
Honestly I think it's the best place to be on the internet. There is a good amount of common sense and funny you just can't get anywhere else but here because everyone gets so triggered on sites like Reddit and god forbid Tumblr. I really wish people would stay out of my "secret club" as dumb as it sounds. Normies here are so painfully obvious and ruin so many threads. This place isn't for everyone.
>>83922343
Don't worry anon.
I know how you feel.
I helped fund Iron Sky.
White people cost too much these days.
So white white people animation tries to be cheaper.
>>83924636
Animators animate what's in the storyboards. Anime along the lines of K-On are almost always adaptations, and don't exist just so people can stare at the characters. Sameface is a meme.
And if you're triggered so hard by shows like that then you could the watch the many, many shows that aren't like that. But you won't, since all you want to do is whine, whine and whine.
>How was he not being autistic?
You've yet to explain how he was.
>>83924639
I picked out fight scenes in response to the claim that anime fight scenes are cheap-looking. That's it.
Fight scenes obviously tend to have more animation than most other scenes, but non-fight scenes can also have great animation (e.g. https://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/22678 ).
The average quality of a show is never going to be on the level of those scenes because it's impossible to sustain. American shows though don't reach that level even in their best scenes, and their average scenes are lower quality than the average scenes in anime.
>>83924722
>And if you're triggered so hard by shows like that then you could the watch the many, many shows that aren't like that
Fine, give me one good action-aventure non-adaptation show from the last three years? Because i've yet to find any.
>You've yet to explain how he was.
His only reason to work in a creative industry is his obsession with moe things? And that obsession is litteraly dumbing down the whole profession?
He's obviously a former fan from something that wanted to be part of the industry not because he had any mean to contribute, but because he wanted to be part of something he liked. And those bland, talentless people will keep reshaping the whole thing by replacing the ones that did give heart to the medium.
>>83917736
Stop trying to make vapourware a thing
>>83924802
Of course you specified "good action-adventure non-adaptation" so you could narrow down the list as much as possible (has to be action-adventure specifically, not just action, and has to be original) and also have an escape clause (you can always dismiss anything by insisting it isn't "good").
I haven't seen all of these, and in any case I have no idea what you think is "good":
Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress
Macross Delta
Comet Lucifer
Garo
Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans
Aquarion Logos
Lupin III: The Italian Adventure
Aldnoah.Zero
Gundam: G no Reconguista
Space Dandy
Buddy Complex
Suisei no Gargantia
>His only reason to work in a creative industry is his obsession with moe things?
How do you know that? And how does it even make him autistic?
>And that obsession is litteraly dumbing down the whole profession?
Again: animators draw what's in the storyboards. Again: most anime of this type are adaptations. Again: there is plenty of non-"moe" anime you could be watching instead.
A "moe" anime also isn't intrinsically dumb any more than an action or drama series is intrinsically intelligent.
>He's obviously a former fan from something that wanted to be part of the industry not because he had any mean to contribute, but because he wanted to be part of something he liked
He's an animator, so he's contributing animation.
>And those bland, talentless people will keep reshaping the whole thing by replacing the ones that did give heart to the medium.
How is someone bland and talentless just because he likes cute girls? Miyazaki likes them too.
>>83924669
What's that?
Haha! Girls like le quirky aesthetic tree hee!
They like cute harmless things tee hee!
It totally isn't condescending at all!
>>83924722
>Sameface is a meme.
wew lad the denial is real
>>83924637
How so?
>>83924637
Anime isn't a genre.
>>83925043
I'm not denying anything.
>>83921294
>various layers of irony
Literally what?
>80's nostalgia pandering
It's like how 90s shows like pandered to the 60s and 70s.
>lazy tired sounding VAing
How so? Most shows have top notch voice actors for their shows.
>ukulele music
Name one example besides SU.
>"we're hip and WITH IT"
Really just shows like PPG and WBB.
>mediocre teenager romances
That's like only three shows
>DEEPEST LORE
How's that a problem, especially since there's actually very few shows with deepest lore.
I agree with the first two.
>>83924636
Well that sells. Anime is about money too and has been like that since forever.
>>83924802
>non-adaptions
You do know that most of the anime is adaption of something. And most of the original anime sucks.
>>83924980
>comet lucifer
Dude it was shit.
>>83925276
Dude try reading posts before replying to them.
>>83923100
you dont deserve those dubs
Also, typos do not invalidate an argument
>>83924652
but 4chan without the normies would be 8chaƞ
the normalfags make sure 4chan doesn't become an autistic cesspool
>>83911277
It is easier to animate than MUSCLESANDBELTSANDBANDAGESANDSTICHESANDSHARPOBJECTS
I don't go out of my way for them so no.
>>83918484
>Then why has SU been on for three seasons?
Technically it's still in Season 2, Cartoon Network is just breaking it apart for more Itunes cash.
>>83920679
Teen Titans has been beating Spongebob for the past year or so.
>>83924652
4chan is one of the last bastions of 90s-era cynicism. Which apparently is banned everywhere else in the world because it TRIGGERS people.
>>83927597
Of course, it's possible that even the normiest of normies got sick of 90s angst and cynicism.
>>83927653
And traded them for Diversity and a need for Safe Spaces.
Terrific era the First World's living in. Terrific.
>>83927830
Normies hate that too.
There's a difference between a normal person and a tumblr user.
>>83927849
Normies are more vulnerable to peer pressure and PR, so any feminist can guilt them into complying with their orthodoxy with more ease. And plus, SJW ideology isn't found just in tumblr anymore; more and more sites preach it whether because the heads believe in it or because it makes them good money. Either way, judging from cases like American schools and the whole of Sweden, the developed world is becoming a breeding ground for Trigger-happy feminists and liberals.
I mean, for fuck's sake, segregation is returning. What else? Are black people going to get called "spook"?
>>83927981
>I mean, for fuck's sake, segregation is returning. What else? Are black people going to get called "spook"?
Wait what?
>>83918306
my goodness how much more tumblr can a show get?
>>83911790
>They don't even really do wacky faces like they used to in the early seasons.
Yeah, but they brought back S1 Jake (the fact that he would fluctuate between being a little chubby/wider and a little slimmer in certain shots) in S7.
>>83911277
>>83911277
>$1.6 milllion raised for 8 episodes
>3 years later, and only 4 episodes have been released (all at 4-6 minutes)
>Changed the art style significantly (though you get used to it)
They scammed the shit out of everyone with this
>>83922343
>>83922580
>>83911277
Well, for all thats worth, they moved the animation from Korea to FUCKING JAPAN recently so...........................maybe things will look bareble?
>>83929175
Problem is not just animation, the plot also suffers from scammy kickstarter diseasse.
>>83924531
/su/ isnt an action show and the crew really lacks in a lot of knowledge to do something better, these are some good peaks on the series, i dont really understand the hate boner for this rigth know it really looks like you guys just want Jhon K and tex avery forever.
>>83930667
>Create a DBZ/Utena-influenced show where you know there will be lots of scenes where Gems fight or attack someone or do cool moves
>Hire absolutely no one in your storyboarding crew who can do good cartoon action
>Spend more money on dance sequences and tear physics than a decent looking fight
Completely Sugar's fault for hiring only people based on how good they were at emotional outbursts. It'd be one thing if the show NEVER had action, then you can say that's not the focus, shame on you for expecting it /co/. But SU tries to have fights and chase scenes at least every other episode and they're often the worst bits in the episode. You should have managed your talent better if you were going to have adventurous characters doing cool action-based things.
Even Invader ZIM's action scenes were fucking good because Vasquez hired the right people and didn't exclusively just hire artists who were funny.
>>83929078
>(though you get used to it)
Is it ever truly possible to get used to the taste of shit?
>>83930801
yeah thats pretty much the problem of /su/ in that matter, the highligths are on ther parts like lapis getting her wings at the of ocean gem or the dance sequence of greg and rose.
Clarence isn't cute
>>83930869
And that's totally not a problem, but there was a fight sequence prior to Lapis getting her wings where everyone literally stood in place and threw rocks at each other. Maybe it would have been better to be more creative with the obstacle of getting to Lapis.
Maybe they just had to get through a tsunami she was summoning instead. Or maybe the difficult part was in locating her and they travel looking for her, only to come across some cities and see that life has broken down without water and how much in trouble the Earth is if they don't stop her. Maybe they help stop a forest fire along the way or stop a riot in a grocery store pilfering water bottles. Again, the writers would have way more time to think of better shit than this, but these are just alternatives to "no fight sequences".
But the problem is the Gems are warriors, we expect them to fight, that's their backstory, so it's almost like we CAN'T make it so they never fight. Sugar wrote herself into a corner here and unfortunately thinks Jeff and Joe are capable enough of doing fight sequences when they're literally learning on the job.
>>83924988
Nazis on the moon
>>83911277
>Anyone else getting tired of the cutesy, chibi-inspired aesthetic in western cartoons?
I don't mind cutesy, but I would like cartoon designs that look good from more than 3 basic angles.
