You can keep calling him Captain Marvel if you want.
>>83901369
>if you want.
Good. Because that's what I'm gonna do. Billy ain't the wizard and the wizard ain't the captain.
>>83901369
>>83901402
But Captain Marvel is a girl.
This will also include Black Adam
Or Teth-Adam
Just pick a name and roll with it.
Just slap in the whole Shazam Squad and you're good.
The Batson's have been around for quite some time...
>>83901484
And like any characters
>>83901498
... Have changed considerably.
>>83901525
I dig the hood but not the shiny boots.
DON'T EVER FORGET 'TALKY TAWNY'
>>83901437
Yeah and her name is Monica.
HEY REMEMBER WHEN THIS WAS A THING?
>>83901579
>>83901525
This artist does the Japanese translations of some of DC's trades. Pretty neat.
>>83901590
>>83901572
And Monica is never getting her own movie.
>>83901597
>>83901626
>>83901637
>>83901402
>Autism: The Post
>>83901453
Black Adam and his new bro?
>>83901794
>>83901829
And getting so assblasted that you have to meme-up my opinion on a name change isn't autistic at all. Not even close.
Outside KC, will Billy ever be allowed to age?
How loudly does a Marvel family member need to say their magic word for it to work?
>>83901651
>Lewd Stargirl
I hope you're prepared for Cereal Man to come to your house to personally choke you out
>>83901829
Nah not really
>>83901453
As much as I like Black Adam as a centuries old edgelord with a massive bone to pick with the Wizard Shazam, I think he works better as a misunderstood ani-hero who's spirit is just manipulated by evil people into wrong doing
>>83902081
He aged a little Post-Crisis. Went from like 12-15.
You can't really make him too old without losing the appeal though.
>>83901651
I miss starwoman
>>83902058
>Channing "Human Beef Log" Tatum as the Captain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaYu-3Bi3HI
>>83902234
I think an Older Billy could work, it'd just take a writer who could handle the "no longer the innocence of a child" side of things.
Same for Mary. But I wouldn't work for more than a mini.
>>83902247
>Channing Tatum and the Rock trying to out Ham one another
>Billy beats Black Adam by challenging him to a Video Game competition
>>83902451
>>83902464
>>83902478
>>83902488
>>83902498
>>83901402
>>83902157
>Having a nice talk.
>Ibac just runs through your fucking wall.
Every time.
So which one is best?
White Mary Marvel...
>>83902135
Didn't he created that ship in the first place? I'm pretty sure he wrote those JSA issues
>>83902737
Or Black Mary?
>>83901402
>>83901437
Arguments like this are why I'm dreading a Mar-Vell storytime, despite him being one of my favorite Cosmic Characters.
>>83901484
>>83901498
>>83901512
>>83901525
>>83901579
>>83901590
DC should pick up Sen as a regular artist, she could be DC's Gurihuru
>>83902737
>>83902802
Red, but white over black.
>>83902737
Both. White to ruin, Black to dominate me.
>>83902846
>>83902843
>>83902737
That reminds of an abandoned plot in Superbuddies where Mary's costume would go from white to red after kosing her virginity to Guy.
>>83902498
In my headcanon there's a missing page where Superman fucking decked The Wizard before going to Billy's apartment.
>>83902802
I want Black Mary to corrupt Billy, sexually.
>>83901369
>>83902993
Forgot my comment.
He will always be Captain Marvel to me.
>>83903002
>>83902945
Supes wouldn't do that beside the wizard
Is way over his league, Shazam is a lord of order like Nabu, he went toe to toe against the Spectre.
>>83903021
Why doesn't the wizard do his own dirty work instead?
>>83903020
>>83903061
Someone must station the Rock of Eternity.
There has to be someone there to keep it intact and make sure the wild energy in it (as well as the deadly sins imprisoned there), don't break out and fuck everything up.
>>83902985
Remind of that sex video with mary marvel.
>>83903061
Because Magic is nothing but stupid rules.
As someone that has never read anything about the Marvel familyI think the only time I read anything about them was in the few pages dedicated to Billy in CoIE, can someone suggest me where to start? I mean literally the basic, origin of the character and everything elseAnd, if you please, some of his best stories to read after having learned how that family works
>>83903061
Because he has to keep the 7 deadly enemies of man in check inside the rock of eternity. This was established in the power of shazam ongoing. Hell in 52 weeks we see that was the first function that Billy took over once the wizard died.
Not true, but fun.
>>83901805
Tawny the Tiger?
>>83903090
what video?
>>83903187
Actually he goes by Talky Tawny.
>>83903114
>>83903114
The power of shazam and the ongoing after it are a pretty good place to start imo, then you can read the character in JSA.
>>83903222
Someone needs to storytime that run, since it'll never get reprinted.
Am I a minority here, or is anyone else disappointed they didnt do more with Billy's new god pantheon? I liked the new suit and thought fire was a nice compliment to the living lightning. Wish it would have stuck around longer
>>83903222
The one from the '90s?
Thanks for the answer
>>83903367
Apparently Im not the only one kek
>>83903364
Yep that one
It surprisingly good for a comic from the 90's
>>83901463
Was there a story time of the Shazam squad?
>>83903362
No, but the depowering was ambiguous enough that they can bullshit a reason for him using the new pantheon if they want. Like maybe Darkseid just siphoned off some of it but it comes back when Billy transforms again.
>>83902737
White > red. Black is not muh Mary.
>>83903362
I agree completely we didn't even get to see what source manipulation does, is as bad as the fact we haven't seen the thunderkids since the curse of shazam ended.
>>83903451
Wait, so we never saw Billy transform post Darkseid War then
>Theres a chance
Neat. Which by the way, its been a real shame how little Billy has been given during the New 52. I enjoyed is small arc with Black Adam and was disappointed he never got a book
>>83903491
Source manipulation sounds like the most broken thing ever. But my guess it was Billy's new way of casting "spells". I also kind of liked the new pantheon because it kind of helped distance himself from Wonder Womans mythological background
>>83901369
Isn't he still officially 'Captain Marvel' on Earth 5 or something?
>>83903818
yeah
Should Billy dip into the chocoloate?
>>83903890
What's the age gap on that anyway?
>>83903909
No idea. Pretty sure they go to the same school though.
>>83903818
Yep but only Morrison is allowed to write that version on him, and we will not see him until Multiversity continues which in turn has to wait for Morrison finishing his Wonder Woman run.
>>83903114
Shazam and the Monster Society of Evil is a good read that covers the origin story and isn't canon with anything, which can be a good or bad thing depending on how you feel about continuity.
Curse of Shazam is the start of where he's at now if you want to keep up with the new stuff and is a solid read on its own.
The original comics hold up well if you can find them. Captain Marvel shows up in Justice and Kingdom Come, and there are a few issues with them in Convergence and Multiversity.
Question for my fellow Shazamfags. Since Marvel unfortunately owns the trademark to "Captain Marvel," what would you think about DC switching the name to that of their old ripoff character Captain Thunder? It has more of a ring to it and is much more marketable than "Shazam."
>>83903986
While monster society of evil is good, you have to account it has a lot more in common with the original Fawcett version of the Captain, like Billy and Cap having independent personalities. While the regular versión of Cap is just Billy in a grown up body.
>>83903943
Multiversity Too isn't a continuation of Multiversity. It's just basically another name for Elseworlds. First story is just a Flash AU.
>>83904033
I've always said this is what they should have done.
Fun fact: Captain Thunder was almost his original name, Fawcett changed the name to Captain Marvel shortly before publication.
>>83902488
>That time Supes challenged Gandalf for custody of Frodo
>>83904033
To be honest i was dissapointed they didn't do it in the first place, the character has already used the name in elselworlds before, and the original writer for Cap in Fawcett comics mentioned the name was the original prototype name for Billy before they settled for marvel.
>>83904033
Honestly at this point I don't think I really care. "A rose by any other name" and all that shit. I primarily think of him as Billy anyway.
>>83902081
I wonder how the movies will handle it, assuming it actually happens. If you stick with the same actor, you have to deal with him growing up.
So they just dropped the Mister Mind cliffhanger didnt they? Fucking figures.
>>83904033
I think it would have been a good idea and it would have caught on but it feels like it's a bit too late to do it now. If a writer wants to write Captain Marvel they'll call him Captain Marvel and if they want to write Shazam they'll call him Shazam.
>>83903986
Also Shazam: Power of Hope.
>>83901369
>thinking nuShazam is the same as Captain Marvel
Pleb detected.
>>83904406
Do you prefer Billy and Cap to be separate personalities or the same?
>>83904695
You got to let the name thing go anon, its not healthy
>>83904033
It's a fucking terrible name. They'll never do it.
>>83904711
Much like whether or not the Hawks are reincarnated Egyptians or alien cops it really doesn't matter to me.
>>83904711
I prefer Billy in the driver's seat, though there should be a little separation like the wisdom doing a little to help him out. It's just more fun.
>>83903149
I really need to read through some old Captain Marvel comics. The idea of Zeus just sitting around waiting for Billy to hurl lightning at him is incredible.
>>83904711
the same for sure
>>83902509
What's the next part? I want to read more
>>83901463
Whatever happened to them all anyways? Did Shazam even have a ongoing?
>>83901832
Whatever happened to them after this?
>>83905184
>>83905219
He hasn't gotten a book yet so we haven't seen them yet. But they're in the Rebirth spread so they'll probably show up again if he ever gets a book (Johns said he'll be in the second wave but he's said a Shazam book is coming for years now so who knows).
>>83901369
>not calling him the big red cheese.
alright man, whatever.
>>83901369
Billy seems like the kind of hero who would make a great friend.
I want to see a book full of supernatural characters. Full of self contained stories and interchanging cast.
>>83905447
>Mystik U will never get released
>>83903114
There's no real good place to start with Captain Marvel except just reading the original Whiz comics. There's very little modern stuff and all of it is mediocre or just doesn't get the character/that character's place in culture at all
>>83905743
Unless you take "modern" to mean "last 5 years" Power of Shazam was fine and fun
>>83905800
>fine and fun
Exactly. Mediocre
>>83905743
>doesn't get the character/that character's place in culture at all
What do you mean with this?
No trolling, genuinely curious
>>83905902
I thought it was good. I don't know what to tell you.
>>83902509
What comic is this from?
>>83906691
First Thunder
>>83901940
why the fuck does Sinestro have a cape? also, when did this happen?
Shazam is even gayer that supes.
>>83901484
>>83901525
It always cracks me up seeing Billy with those dot eyes no matter what artstyle he's in. It's like Saitama-levels of contrast.
>>83903014
considering that IS his name, I think we're good
the fact that the spergs have to be like
>HE SAYS SHAZAM! HIS NAME IS SHAZAM!
best ship incoming
>>83903362
>>83903491
the thunderkids were shit.
>>83904033
Captain Marvel fans would like the captain thunder name over the aberration "shazam" is.
fuck Johns.
>>83902478
>that disgusted look on Superman
This comic could've benefitted from a better artist, honestly.
>>83903362
Honestly I was super dissapointed, it could've been a great way to further separate him from the whole "clone of superman" archetype that they're gradually trying to nudge away from with more emphasis on magic.
>>83901772
Man I love doc shaners work, he's the perfect artist for shazam
>>83908927
>nudge away from with more emphasis on magic.
By getting rid of the gods, turning the wizard into a abbo and turning his powers into a power ranger sort of thing?
>>83905294
He's been saying he'll be doing a Shazam book for years, and he's finally let that go so I'm hopeful
>>83909358
He's talking about when they gave him different gods not the initial Curse of Shazam arc. Parent up properly.
>>83909358
The abbo is still the wizard m8.
>>83908294
Forever evil. Parallax
>>83909358
>turning his powers into a power ranger sort of thing
That's exactly how his powers worked initially, I don't understand what you're talking about. He's still connected to the gods, and honestly who cares if the wizard is an abbo. He looked like that ever since the new 52 so the fact that it's revealed that he's a thunder god at least somewhat makes sense regarding the color change. Plus none of the new gods were from the same pantheon like the Greek ones, I mean they included a grandma god from eastern Slav that like 1000 people worshipped at one point. Not that that's bad, because it's cool to see the pantheon branch out, but it's obviously they were going eclectic
a shame this will never be the case....
>>83901369
>>83902035
You do understand that he hasn't been Captain Marvel since DC forced his owners, Fawcett, to stop publishing him in 1953.
They didn't even rent him until 1972, and they didn't buy his rights fully until 1977. This whole retarded argument is one that came about because someone working for DC in the early 1970s remembered that there had been a Captain Marvel before, and that it had sold well, but not that they'd sued it into oblivion. They didn't bother to consult a lawyer who would have told them that no, Marvel Comics would not have to give up the name for any reason, and no, DC could never legally own the trademark. They didn't remember that the main reason Fawcett cancelled the title was that it had always been their best-seller and it just wasn't selling by the 1950s, because it was unpopular, so they couldn't use the profits to fund a legal defense against DC's predatory suit.
So because some guy had too many beers at lunch in 1972 DC and later Warner Bros. ended up spending literally millions of dollars on a worthless property, and a protracted and doomed legal fight to convince a court that DC somehow owned the name to a character they hadn't originated and had killed off, and then even more on a legally binding settlement that agrees that DC has no rights to the name whatsoever. Even the live action tv show called him Shazam, and that was 40 years ago.
When are you going to grow up.
Let us not forget the mightiest Marvel of them all...
>>83905743
>There's very little modern stuff and all of it is mediocre or just doesn't get the character/that character's place in culture at all
Thunderworld and Convergence: Shazam were both excellent Cap stories with fantastic art which felt true to the character's roots.
Not that you're wrong to suggest starting at the beginning, but to say that he's had nothing good at all recently would be false.
>>83909569
I just liked that his pantheon had more variety
>>83903478
Is that Darkseid's dad?
>>83910510
Yes, its where Billy obtained source manipulation
>>83910044
Literally what? All his comics have been named Shazam but hes always been referred to as captain marvel in the comics up until recently. A lot of people cared about that shit too because Shazam is a fucking gay name and the excuse they gave for changing it was trash.
>>83902157
Is this the closest Georgia's had to a relationship?
I don't really care about Ibac compared to some of the Captain's rogues, but this could go places.
>>83902835
She's probably aiming for that, one at least one occasion she made sure to add some praising mention of Johns...
>>83903149
For all the interesting theories regarding recurring themes in the Hypercrisis threads, how come the yellow lightning bolt over red thing that Flash and Captain Marvel share practically never comes up?
I do like to think that the Rock of Eternity being at the center of the Multiversity multiverse map could be interpreted as the Captain being both the heart of much of the genre, as well as being a prision of sorts, considering the peculiar legal circumstances of the character and his name...
>>83903818
And the Eart S as seen on Convergence.
Man, I want Parker and Shane to get more opportunities to work with the character, they get it.
>>83904711
Just don't make adult Cap act like a goofy kid - the wisdom factor should shine through in the way he act then.
>>83914728
Super Wisdom, like Super Intelligence and Super Reflexes, is one of those abilities that heroes might as well not have, as they would impede the 3rd-rate writer's hackneyed plot idea.
>>83914533
>I do like to think that the Rock of Eternity being at the center of the Multiversity multiverse map could be interpreted as the Captain being both the heart of much of the genre, as well as being a prision of sorts, considering the peculiar legal circumstances of the character and his name...
You think too hard about funny books.
>>83914823
I like it when the actual writers think too much about their work and it shows in their output. Hypercrisis threads are fun because the readers do some of that.
>>83908899
the Shazam name was imposed after Trials Of Shazam miniseries actually, nu52 Shazam was actually more noticed, because when they changed the name first Freddy was in the place of the captain and no one really cared for that story arc that much.
>>83904033
There was literally no reason for them to change the name, we have had this Shazam-Title/Capt.Marvel-Name for decades, it`s fucking needless.
>>83916456
DC was getting tired of the confusion around casuals about the name of the character, also not been able to use his name in titles really hurt his marketability, I'm playing devil advocate here and yes the decision is shitty but i understand it from a marketing perspective, still i would rather go with Captain Thunder than Shazam.
>>83917730
There was a huge backlash because that excuse was absolutely bullshit, no one ever got confused with the name.
