>Not enough "comfy feels" or waifus, huh?
are you really going to look me in the eye and tell me that Miss Darkholme isn't perfect waifu material?
>moe as fuck
>two mouths, one designed just for dick sucking
also am i the only one who gets a Scary Stories To Tell In The Dark vibe from the art?
From the wiki:
"Ruins is a two-issue comic book mini-series, written by Warren Ellis with painted artwork by Terese Nielsen, her husband Cliff Nielsen, and Chris Moeller, who took over for the last seventeen pages of the second issue."
....It's /co/ dude, why the fuck would they. If something is depressing or morbid or wee bit violent in any way shape or form, it's considered edgy tryhard shit. But if it has inflation and a loli, it's considered the best thing ever.
you guys need to read Marvels because the joke is we go from one of the most idealistic comics ever written to AND I TRIED SO HARD BUT IN THE END IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER
Yeah Marvels was idealistic. It has moments but to call it idealistic when you have racism, death of Gwen Stacy and several other things seems like the author did not read it and this more seem like just a weird deconstruction with no point.
I've read both, and it doesn't change the fact that Ruins is just utter garbage. It's so incoherent and messy, it seems like Ellis just tried to shove as much grimdark shit in it without caring. The story has some good ideas, but everything vaguely interesting is ignored so that we can get more pages of Marvel characters dying for no reason.
idealistic was probably the wrong word. hopeful? upbeat?
i'm not denying it's garbage but i am saying it's hilarious garbage when read alongside Marvels
this just made me realize something: where's all the rape? you'd think if Ellis was actively trying to be edgy as fuck, there'd be a lot more rape
You asked for it OP...
Are you seriously trying to defend that? It wasn't just bad, nothing on it made any fucking sense and pacing was non-existent. The whole thing was "ok so superheroes exist but instead of superpowers they got cancer and debilitating illness :DDD also they're all really ugly :DDDD". I read the whole thing and it's wasted time, even as a deconstruction is incredibly shallow. Nothing's coherent, it's just the guy jumping from superpowered guy to superpowered guy so Ellis can show them dying gruesomely and little else. It's similar to why people hate Crossed.
No, people hate Crossed because it has nothing of substance beyond HORSECOCK and dolphin rape. It's pointless, empty gorewank that doesn't tell any story worth telling and is disgusting and dark for the sake of it
>It's only shit because you think it's too depressing.
No, it's shit because it's a not a story. It has no plot. Nothing happens in it. You're completely glossing over the one thing that determines the quality of a comic the most: does it work as a story or not?
Like, Watchmen is depressing as shit but everybody loves it because it's perfect as a story. It has a beginning and an ending and all the things between fit together to form a complete story. Ruins has no story, it's a fucking joke.
That you're stupid enough to not be able to tell when someone is joking, or at least work with that assumption so that you can cheap shots at grammar rather than making any real counter-argument, does not mean my English is bad. It just means, again, that you're stupid.
What debate? All you said was "lol you have shit taste" in a horrible nonenglish speaking way. Or you just have water on the brain. I told you to learn some english before you start flinging shit. Then you went on a rant about how I'm stupid because you can't type properly.
This. It's pretty much the equivalent of someone reading a happy story and being so mad it exists he writes the most pointlessly bad/upsetting story he can think of just to be a dick.
That's honestly what I like about it. It's miserable and horrible to the point of absurdity. It's fine if thats what you hate and you don't think its funny, but I find humor in that. Plus, the art is cool. I liked seeing what went horribly wrong with people I recognized.
I've read it, and it was a really great book. See, part of the reason this book is kind of mediocre is that it king of seems like it can't decide whether it actually wants to be a "What if it all went wrong?" story, or a joke "edgy" version, like Donald Blake being some nutter who worships Thor, and Blaze being a guy who pours lighter fluid on his head. Why was Sheldon even there? There wasn't even anything supernatural or super-science going on there, it was just more edge.
Niggas, the storytime has been done two hours ago and nobody still posted DC Ruins?
You fuckin' disappoint me...
I'm sure your superior mind can't parse my typing and horrible nonenglish speech, as someone with your unequaled mastery of the language would say.
The "how can one man" phrase is a meme, and you should get thicker skin if getting told you have shit taste on 4chan makes you that angry. But I guess I'll stay triggered as the cupcake I am.
The art in this one will never cease to amaze me
Hope you liked this little masterpiece
>Everyone's dead. They're all dead.
Is that the issue that shows how shit just went wrong for a superman, wonder woman, and rest of the main 5 or 6 justice leaguers? I liked that issue. It was depressing.
I actually kind of like it, the re-imaginations are cool in a very macabre and slightly try hard way but most of them are at least interesting. The Kree are particular interesting but that might be because their story is kind of similar to the Falmer in the Elder Scrolls games.
It's supposed to be the opposite of the Marvels universe (where everything that resulted in super-powers was Marvelous), hence the name Ruins, it's the universe where everything that resulted in super-powers left people in ruin.
Everything that could've gone wrong, did.
>Ben grimm didn't pilot the ship, so the fantastic 4 got hyper-irradiated and overmutated and fucking died
>Bruce, getting caught in the blast, his mutation didn't take well, and he just became a big blob of cancer rather than the hulk
>Rather than teach mutants how to control their powers, Xavier became president and made sure mutants were kept under lock and key
>Because of this, the avengers (Tony, Cap, Pymm, etc.) start a revolution and die
>fury offs himself after Cap dies
>Punisher gets shot like a punk
>Magneto's never taught to control his powers, builds himself something to control it, it gets broken and he dies
>Silver surfer, with no fantastic four to bring him to his senses, goes mad before prepping the earth for consumption by galactus, and kills himself
>Peter parker gets bit by a radioactive spider, and became a nerve zombie, scratching the writer who eventually dies of it
Anyone have the Conspiracy Marvel comic where it was revealed the all the smart heroes (tony, reed, pym, mccoy, egghead, banner, doom, etc.) all went to the same college at the same time? And that most of the radiation accident heroes were intentional "mistakes", they drove toxic waste around neighborhoods and had radiation experiments in high schools hoping something would happen, both banner's bomb (to have more rads than boom) and reed's rocket (not just a lack of shielding but actually enhanced the effects of cosmic rays)were tampered with.
What's really interesting is recognizing some of Ellis' ideas get more detailed and better executed in Planetary.
Ruins might have been better with some slower pacing and more pages. As it is it's gut punch after gut punch, just a series of scenes and ideas that quickly lose all emotional impact
Wow, that whole thing sucked. It felt like a nervous stand-up at open mic night rushing through his routine to get off stage as fast as possible. Truly a story time of pain.
Thank you, OP. I've wanted to read Ruins for ages but only now did. It is exactly as horrible as Wizard Magazine told me it was.
Wrapping childish concepts in purple prose was a mistake.
As this comic shows.
>wrapped in steel
>political commentary on Vietnam War
cringing all the way
Shame about nice art being wasted.
> What if... Marvel had stuck to horror comics instead of superheroes?
Has some nice quotes and the end is as depressing as fitting. I've got to admit: I kinda like it. Thanks OP.
I doubt it. Instead of superhero serials you'd have some anecdotal one-off horror stories (like the ones Sheldon witnesses in the books) and the same would have happened to all the others. Maybe you would have Man-Thing and Ghost Rider, but there'd be one chapter of them and than they would have been forgotten, like most horror stories.
Honestly, completely different book and all, but that's kind of how I felt about American Gods.
It was a great travelogue, with tons of interesting vignettes and pretty interesting worldbuilding, but the story is literally "protagonist goes from one weird place to the next and the story just works itself out in the end."
But that's the thing, Marvela isn't idealistic. This is supposed to be the antithesis of Marvels but the story of Marvels is "idealistic photojournalist loves superheroes and tries to not fall to pessimism, ignorance and hatred like the rest of the marvel citizens, but in the end fails and becomes just like them after coming to terms with the fact that even heroes fail. A couple years later, he dies of cancer while superheroes have been twisted into edgy vigilantes that are practically unrecognizable to him. The end."
No? Ellis is one of my all time favorite writers and even I know this is garbage. It's just an outlier in quality for him. Something he shat out for a quick buck then later disowned it after the fact.
N-no shut up its a masterpiece and the only reason you didn't like it is because it isn't "comfy" enough for you. Don't you know that as long as something is edgy that means it must be good?