OH GOD SOMEBODY HELP ME I'M A WOMAN AND I FUCKED UPand we're supposed to cheer for this turbocunt?
Kek, get fucked Captain Tumblr
He had it coming.
>>83655074
>not cheering for Marvel's most popular heroine on twitter poll
>>83655096
Kamala is the best female character to come out of Marvel in years. obviously you're not referring to Carol.
>>83655074
Kind of, yeah.
Hopefully the nest few issues give some reason for her to not be objectively right.
>dude exclusively seeing major disasters in the near future
>good guys get ready for it early
>I guess it would be better to let Thanos run around on Earth until he was ready to start shit on his own terms?
>Clearly deaths only matter if its people you know and like, huh Tony?
The plots lame and retarded enough that a twist seems like a given, but never assume Bendis has reached peak laziness.
>>83655074
All of Bendis' favorites are on Tony's side so we're supposed to cheer for him.
Just wait until #3 and a vision goes wrong and Coint kills Banner or something.
>>83655188
No, she's le innocent muslim who stops le evil white males.
>>83655188
Kamala finished at #2.
>>83655074
context?
>it's a character hate circlejerk threadCaptain Marvel is supah-boring anyway
>>83655624
Rhodey killed She-Hulk with a misfired missile
No, apparently we're supposed to support Tony because using knowledge that a bad guy will be doing bad things somewhere is tantamount to invasion of civil liberties and playing god.
Welcome to Civil War II, where not only are both our protagonists complete morons but the sides they represent don't make sense.
>>83655653
No, Medusa's magnificent ass killed She-Hulk with one of Rhodey's missiles.
>>83655653
But that's horrible!
>>83655663
I'm starting to get the feeling that killing Tony Stark could solve a whole lot of issues.
>>83655663
And the plot is lazily stolen from Minority Report.
>>83655672
Medusa's ass did nothing wrong
>>83655672
Wait, you mean it literally reflected off Medusa's ass and killed She-Hulk?
Dear god, Marvel really won't let you kill the Inhumans.
>>83655600
>le
confirmed for reddit tier and not reading comics, why are you willingly wating your time?
Reminder that using knowledge of the future to justify your behavior in the present is literally Doom's entire shtick.
>>83655709
Could you elaborate on that?
>>83655653
I'm sure She-Hulk will be back. But it will be an alternate universe She-Hulk where the first time a difference between it and 616 occurs is when Jen gets plucked out of that universe.
>>83655709
And as we all know, Doom is doing all he does for the greater good.
>>83655732
He saw several futures. He saw humanity destroyed. Except under his rule.
>>83655672
Technically Thanos used Medusa's ass to kill She-Hulk with one of Rhodey's missiles.
>>83655709
Too bad so far it's only been shown to work with cosmic threats to all life on Earth.
>Killing She-Hulk with a missile that didn't obliterate everything in 100 km radius
Than god I stopped reading the most recent comics and I wait like a year, this allows me to read stuff like this from second hand and scrap those comics from my "to read" list.
>>83655738
Is that Byrne Doom? That sounds like Byrne Doom.
>>83655735
We need an image of Banner crying lifting Jen's body
>>83655738
>>83655760
Didn't the original Secret Wars show Doom taking over the world and creating a utopia?
>>83655074
I think it's funny that both Civil War and Civil War II the first casualty is a black male who was working with Tony Stark's enemy.
>>83655074
Did they kill off Miles?
>>83655732
Doom looked into a shitton of possible futures and the only one that didn't end with everything to go to shit was the one where he took over the world and purged negative behavior and resistance from humanity with hellfire until he created utopia.
He's an antihero. A god looked into his soul and confirmed it, don't argue about it.
>>83655768
you're thinking the spider-man animated series version of secret wars.
reminder that Tony literally uses supermath to predict the future every day, and lives his life according to what he predicts
>>83655794
So he's Garnet?
>>83655735
No, it will be a teenage Jen they'll get to kill the resurrected 616 Jen who has been evil all along. Then they'll artificially age her to being an adult to take 616 Jen's place.
>>83655074
>A Marvel event
You really shouldn't care at all OP
>>83655837
Surely there must be a way to fix Marvel as it is now. We shouldn't give up hope.
>>83655794
So he's a hypocrite as well as a dumbass now?
>>83655794
Reminder: Tony Stark is a better bad guy than most villains
>>83655768
Ultron Forever showedthe Doombot from Avengers AItaking over and creating a utopia.
>>83655851
yes there is, drop the SJW pandering and go back to writing good stories about marvel characters.
anyone who reads comics knows that Carol is not even interesting.
>>83655877
For it is in every Doombot to become DOOM.
>>83655884
That's not going to happen any time soon though is it?
>>83655851
Just read the good books.
Vision and Ultimates and the like.
>>83655774
Actually, it is more like the first casualty is usually a black character that is on the moral side of the conflict, and is killed by the mismanagement of the wrong side's forces and them overstepping themselves.
Warmachine was on Tony's side, but got killed because Carol decided to try to take on Thanos herself rather than calling EVERYONE in to help.
>>83655888
Actually his DOOM programming drove him to enslave all life in the solar system.
Only by overcoming it with Vision's help was he able to become a great benevolent dictator.
>>83655911
Doom planned it that way, of course.
>>83655911
Doom programmed it so that the only way they would successfully work is if the Doombot was able to overcome its own programming and thus become its own creature... that serves Doom of course.
Any creature still held down by another's program could never truly be the vessel for Doom's shining future.
>>83655868
I have to wonder at what point it'll take for the rest of the heros to see that Tony could barely even be considered a hero anymore. He's more like a villain that happens to save people from time to time. I mean, even current Dr.Doom at this point is seriously more of a hero than Tony Stark.
Man, it was especially bad during the original Civil War, with Tony actually HIRING supervillains to capture other heros. That'd be like Batman using random inmates from Arkham Asylum to hunt down his own rogues all of a sudden.
>>83655888
Do Doombots know they're not Doom when they're alone?
>>83655779
How does Doom get away with getting fellated so hard, I'll never know. The guy almost makes Batman look like an underdog.
>>83655964
But Batman did use both the Riddler and the Penguin as assets at different times.
>>83655964
It's OK senpai, Tony mindwiped himself. He literally dindu nuffin now.
>>83655980
No, they all think they're Doom. Moment fleshbag Doom enters the room they switch and are regular robots.
>>83656002
Yeah but that was after both went straight. I liked when Dini had Riddler open his own detective agency after Penguin convinced him there's more to gain legally than illegally.
>>83655074
...I am not sure how to interpret this. She was in the military even before she was a superhero.
Is this the first time she lost someone in a combat situation? Yes, I know, she and Rhodey were lovers, but... crying like a baby?
>>83655600
Re-read that sentence. And realize there is nothing wrong with that. Her family moved out of Pakistan, which, as life decisions go, ranks with buying Microsoft stock in 1985. And evil white males? Well, there's plenty of those. The US people had them as their president, vice-president and defense secretary for years.
So...yeah. I stand behind that statement. Even though it is not correct as regards Kamala.
>>83655644
They seem to have dropped her alcoholism completely.
>>83655653
Which is... unfathomable.
>>83655074
No, you're supposed to cheer for Tony and think Carol is the villain.
>>83655663
>Welcome to Civil War II, where not only are both our protagonists complete morons but the sides they represent don't make sense.
Finally! A sequel that lives up to the original!
>>83655794
When was that suggested? That sounds more like something Reed would do.
>>83656101
>cheering for a bipolar mess
>>83656101
but Tony is going to go on a bitch fit and kill Carol for fucking up, the first civil war had a better argument as to why Tony did what he did, this new shit is just retarded.
>>83655868
That was so awesome. I am so sad that 'Superior' only lasted 9 issues.
>>83656101
...No, I don't think that's how it works. The idea of Civil War I was to rip the fandom in two, and it did.
But you can't manufacture a miracle.
>>83655818
>Then they'll artificially age her to being an adult to take 616 Jen's place.
It's Marvel, more likely they'll just write her as normal Jen because editorial don't do their job.
>>83655074
She did nothing wrong though.
>>83656089
>Is this the first time she lost someone in a combat situation? Yes, I know, she and Rhodey were lovers, but... crying like a baby?
It's to trick the audience into thinking the scene has any emotional weight.
>>83655074
Maybe not, but I fail to see the steps in logic that get us from
>Carol's mismanagement of a crisis got Rhodey and Jen killed
to
>Tony should break into a heavily fortified off-brand mutant compound to kidnap a kid with future vision
>>83655074
I know the artists have been told to draw Captain Marvel as a man, but this is ridiculous...
>>83656135
She let "Second-String Robot Suit Guy" come to the cosmic powerhouse fight.
"Blue Marvel and Monica are down, thank God War Machine is here!"
>>83656133
Well yeah, that's what I meant. I figured that goes without saying since it's Marvel and all.
>>83656130
>That was so awesome. I am so sad that 'Superior' only lasted 9 issues.
It would have been nice to at least have a conclusion to the arc outside of "Secret Wars happened so none of this matters".
Even an offhanded comment from Tony like "Thank god the Avengers broke into my San Francisco Island Party Fortress and reversed the Inversion Spell so I stopped being such a huge Cock."
I also miss Doc Green. He was fun.
>>83656142
Yeah, wouldn't want to depower the female fans by having someone actually look like a woman.
Y'know cause of sexism or whatever shit.
>>83656180
I liked Doc Green, but not so much the depowering of the other Hulks.
>>83656135
she lied about the inhumans offering their help. T'challa and Danvers called them out.
>>83656195
That does kinda suck.
And now the one they didn't depower is dead for the stupidest reason ever.
Also, if they have "Knock-Down Thanos Missiles" why didn't they just launch those as the first volley from like 100 miles away, and then have all the heroes attack whatever was left of Thanos afterwards?
>>83656136
Well, he DID die! And so did Jennifer, apparently.
>>83656180
I am not even sure he was reverted.
>>83656195
Well... I personally like it when the consequences of a scenario are realized even if the outcome is unpleasant.
>>83656227
Lyra kept her powers too.
Not that any but me and Cullen Bunn care much.
>>83656227
>if they have "Knock-Down Thanos Missiles"
I have to wonder just what Thanos' status is these days. Over in 'Ultimates' he apparently finally got over Death, in favor of Oblivion, which, I guess, would justify him wanting the Cosmic Cube again.
What is not justified is him acting like a thug, when he's supposed to be Space-Doctor Doom.
>>83656227
The best part is in that FCBD comic they said that they had three hours to prepare.
>>83656231
>Well... I personally like it when the consequences of a scenario are realized even if the outcome is unpleasant.
Well it's comics. If A-Bomb, Red She-Hulk, or any of the other former Hulks are desired for a comeback, I'm sure it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to Re-Hulkify them. The only things that are hard to hand-wave away are the things Bendis writes.
>>83656256
>What is not justified is him acting like a thug, when he's supposed to be Space-Doctor Doom.
What do you expect, Bendis is writing him. Hopefully Ewing will be able to give him actions more meaning over in Ultimates.
At this point Ewing's and any other writer's sides of the story are the only interesting things coming out of this bullcrap.
>>83655074
Can't this bitch fly? Why wasn't she rushing him to medics?
>>83656309
Could be dangerous to move his body if he has a spinal injury.
>>83656309
Thanoscopter punched him through the stomach, he's dead.
>>83655600
>I don't even read the books and just came here to act retarded
>>83656321
>She already lifted him up and cradled him in her arms
>>83656325
He could just be mostly dead.
>>83656339
You know what, there are so many other problems with this story, I'd prefer to focus on those, but whatever makes Bendis look like an ass.
>>83656325
Why didn't Tony just pump his abdominal cavity full of carbon tube ablative symbiote nanomachines or whatever the fuck his gimmick is nowadays?
>>83656350
Is Night Nurse the Marvel version of Miracle Max?
>>83656377
Because that seems like it might be an interesting direction to take this story. And Bendis doesn't know how to interesting. Or story.
Actually now I want to see a story where Rhodey dies and Tony Frankensteins him back to life. Lets just do that instead of Civil War 2!
>>83656377
he's poor now, or so the book says.
>>83655074
Wait what with all the ways marvel has fucked her character to make her a posterchild you choose her asking for help to complain about
>>83656408
Frankenrhodey, huh? Can it somehow be tied in with the thrills of "Nick Fury gets a dog"?
>>83655690
No Medusa bumped into war machine and caused him to misfire
>>83656433
Which Nick Fury?
>>83656009
>Moment fleshbag Doom enters the room they switch and are regular robots.
That's pretty cool
>>83656464
The original of course. Junior would get growled at.
>>83655074
Do you usually cheer in dramatic moments where the hero failed and feels powerless?
>>83656481
So just crazy old man Nick Fury wearing his weird "Unseen" costume with a dog? Yeah that could be fun.
>>83656509
We were tossing ideas about it a while back. Toto, Dog of Fury. Good times.
>>83656485
>having pity for Gwen "I love to ride Goblin Express" Stacy
>>83656540
>trying this hard
When she died she hadn't been retconned into a slut yet.
And either way here we were discussing how we were supposed to feel aboout the hero, not the loved one they lost.
>>83656575
>yet
She was always slut.
>>83656227
>dead
It's incredibly obvious that she's not actually dead. Just in a coma. That way she can come out of it in the last issue to reveal that Carol misunderstood her "dying words" and thought she meant Tony when she actually meant Ulysses to further cement the "carol was wrong" point that Bendis is going to hammer home.
>>83656607
But after all the effort marvel has put into making her there wonder women why would they let her be wrong
It makes no sense
>>83656619
But being wrong makes her more human, and human is what Marvel is about!
Or at least that's what I hope the "logic" here is.
>>83655188
>kamala, try your best not to be cute!
>come on kamala, you had one job!
>>83656619
Because Bendis is in charge and Bendis hates Carol while loves Tony. He plays favorites and ALWAYS gets his way.
Always.
Anyone that thinks that the entirety of Team Carol isn't coming out the other side of this with the biggest levels of character assassination since Avengers Disassembled is delusional.
That all of Bendis' favorite characters are on Team Tony and all of Bendis' most hated characters that he uses any chance he has to shit on are on Team Carol should have been your first hint.
>>83655868
>cyclops is now practically considered a villain
>tony is still considered a hero
for cape comics, the marvel universe sure lacks justice
>>83656644
But according to the rumorsCarol is the one who wins
>>83656627
>Bendis
>logic
Oh you sad, worthless human.
>>83656652
It's not all bad.
Things are looking up for Wanda ever since she got that restraining order against Bendis.
>>83656585
Trying too hard now, I don't actually care about her anon, only autists like you are characterfags.
>>83656662
I didn't say logic, I said "logic", learn to read you nincompoop.
>>83656662
>that retard smile
Why is he so happy?
>>83656657
And Tony won the original Civil War despite being portrayed as the Iron Fascist that the next couple years of comics was nothing but people showing up to shit on him as everything he built fell apart and made the world a worse place.
>>83656680
>she got that restraining order against Bendis.
Oh anon, I've got some horrible news for you.
>>83656680
In her upcoming Civil War II tie-in issue she and her brother Quicksilver will be on opposite sides (unrevealed).
>A
>FUCKING
>MISSILE
>>83656377
He specifically refused to upgrade Rhodey's stuff for some reason that IIRC made sense, then obviously felt massive guilt and acted irrationally.
>>83656652
Cyclops is an ass. Tony, on the other hand, was inverted - which means that, the bigger of a dick he was as a villain, the more of a hero he actually is.
>>83656700
Which was not fair - the deck was stacked against him from the start.
So, do they just throw Thanos in anything and everything?
Cause, I see a whole lot of his nasty purple face these days and it is pretty lame for what is supposed to be an endgame villain.
>>83655600
>le evil white males
You're exactly the type of person who would complain about forced diversity too if her villains had been colored.Besides,last I checked,Whites are still the most abundant race in America,its only natural that there are going to be more white villains
>>83656925
Well you see anon, he's supposed to be a big deal, so when a bad writer can't think of anything, they throw him in there and voila, they're suddenly making something serious.
>>83656925
Bendis did the same thing when he was writing Avengers Assemble where he used a line-up similar to the 2012 film and had Thanos be the big bad.
>>83656809
the reason was he no longer had the funds to just acquire the materials out of pocket
>>83656925
he hasn't been an endgame villain in thirty years
Bad as Civil War was at least all the "REGISTER!" shit was kinda entertaining while it lasted. Civil War II doesn't even have anything like that, it just has people bitching. There's nothing to have fun with.
>>83656947
And where did he get the anti-Thanos missile?
>>83656962
in the fucking anti-hulk missile aisle.
>>83656699
died for about 20 minutes?
>>83656139
Yeah, Tony is blaming Ulysses even though Ulysses did nothing wrong. He even has the gal to claim "I told you so" even though all he warned about was the Minority Report scenario, WHICH HASN' HAPPENED YET. It was fucking Thanos attacking Earth, they would have had to fight him no matter what.
So he's against going after people for something that could happen, so to avoid it he's going after someone for something that could happen.
FASCIST DIKE
>>83656722
A "Badass anti-Thanos missile"
Get it right, scum.
>>83656962
Ross's secret stash
>>83656139
Of course you don't - this is a garbage book, even for All-New, All-Different Marvel NOW II: The Nowening.
In the future, they will hold this book up as an example of how not to write fiction.
>>83656927
Check again Paco. They'll officially be the minority by 2021 and Hispanics who fill out legal forms have had to mark themselves as " white" for years now.
They're living on borrowed time
>>83656117
the current Invincible Iron Man run
issue 5 or 6 I think
he explains to MJ how 'he already knows how this conversation is gonna go, because he's so smart' etc etc
then MJ says she called Pepper and asked what she's in for, which throws him in for a loop because his supermath didn't predict that
>>83657037
Wait, I still didn't start Civil War II, literally entering here for the first time in months, is Tony on the side of "just because you claim to see the future doesn't give you the rights to stop people from doing something they don't know they're going to do"? Holy shit, this must be the first time I side with Tony
Also, the fuck is Peter doing in the opposite team? that seems out of character
>>83655343
> Thanos is going to show up
> Don't call anyone for help because inhumans have trust issues
> think that can easily defeat Thanos with a small team of retards
> conscript war machine to fight Thanos with barely an explanation, like you are asking him to go to the beach
the most bullshit thing is that they actually capture Thanos
>>83657230
Unless that's part of Thanos' plan.
He has been acting like a real moron so far.
>>83657213
Nah, Tony's on the side of "Yeah you saved the universe but MUH RHODEY".
>>83657230
>think that can easily defeat Thanos with a small team of retards
But they did easily defeat Thanos. And War Machine volunteered, they didn't conscript him.
>>83657213
You don't understand. Tony isn't hust against the Minority Report scenario.
He's against using Ulysses AT ALL. FOR ANYTHING. Tony is mad because Carol dared act on one of Ulysses' warnings that Thanos was going to attack Earth. According to his incredibly stupid logic, even though Thanos did in fact show up, Carol should have just ignored him and let him do as he pleases until finding out about it from another source.
He's not being reasonable, Ulysses has predicted several alien invasions and earthquakes, saving countless lives. But Tony is mad because Rhodey happened to die in one of those alien attacks, even though that's what Rhodey does all the damn time.
>>83655074
Kek, she should pray to the based Goddess Diana
...Saved the universe? What if they'd evacuated the base and then just left it alone?
Thanos would have gone in and looked for the Cube unless he figured out it wasn't there. Say that he doesn't and goes inside. THEN you blow the whole damn thing up.
Why stop him from entering an emptied-out base?
Also, will they pursue the notion of Thanos being after the Cosmic Cube - and Kobik being one?
Will they hell.
>>83657330
Like I said, I didn't read it yet, but so far from this thread it seems it had Thanos involved, so yeah, if Thanos is the culprit I don't care he did nothing yet, he's fucking Thanos, this has nothing to do with seeing the future and acting with that knowledge, no, this is about stopping fucking evil space god Thanos.
But in the case of, I dunno, Miles Morales was supposed to kill lots of people, I would give him the benefit of the doubt instead of putting him in Guantanamo.
>>83657230
War Machine volunteered for it. Also, the team they went with had some real heavy hitters. Blue Marvel, Carol, etc.
I have the feeling current Tony is Ultimate Tony rather than 616 Tony.
Didn't he died still inverted?
>>83657358
>That thicc Diana
We got twig instead
Why does Tony get shit on so much? Why can't he simply be a competent man with slightly more problems than even he can handle?
Then again, what superhero isn't given the bad end of the shit stick these days?
>>83657373
It's not entirely clear, but he was never openly, clearly inverted.
On the other hand, he was imprisoned by the Cabal after trying to stop them from destroying a world. Which is weird, considering this was during an Incursion. Why would he try to stop them from doing the only thing that could be done? Sure, they were douchebags, but...
So I don't know. I think he died a villain. But it doesn't matter since Franklin re-created him, just like he did before.
>>83655600
>le evil white males
so guess you aren't aware the first major villain she fought was a giant chicken man?
>>83656485
Can somebody help me? I'm pretty sure i've seen a comic book about one of the officers from this panel, where he was refering to this moment, but i can't find it.
>>83657213
maybe in the future that will be the case, but right now it's a flat 'after saving the world from a big engine of destruction, you used the same source of intel that warned you of that to launch a surprise attack on a global threat (Thanos) and took him down with a small but competent team with only two fatalities, but because one of those fatalities was a friend of mine (who volunteered) I'm gonna invade sovereign territory and abduct a ward of the state because (you should have just waited for Thanos to kill everyone on the station he beamed into, and then gone in blind?)
it wasn't even a pre-emptive strike, by the time they got there he had already killed about a dozen people.
bigger question
if Turbocunt had faith in the kid's predictions why didn't she warn more avenger teams to assist her?
>>83657428
Thank you, Bendis...
What an age we live in. Johns, Hickman, Snyder... Bendis.
>>83657428
It's strange. Because it seems kinda like trying to ape the ways in which Civil War the movie improved upon Civil War the comic by adding a personal agenda or tragedy to the leaders of each team (ie Cap's desire to help Bucky orTony's Parents). In the movies it helped strengthen their resolve and really ended up being the reason the two sides came to blows instead of talking it out like they would have in any given scenario.
But here, we see it used completely the wrong way. Instead of using a tragedy like the deaths of Rhodey and Jen to exacerbate an issue like "the morality of arresting people for future crimes" it's being used as the inciting event. So now Tony's just going all ape shit because his friend died but instead of focusing it on Carol, he's focusing it on a guy who is only tangentially related. It's like Bendis skipped ahead in the narrative and we missed how any of this makes sense. Why not have Rhodey be killed on a mission to arrest someone for something they didn't do? Like they were antagonizing a former villain who Ulysses predicted was gonna start some shit. And that sends the villain over the edge and causes him to get angry and kill Rhodey. Then you have a logical reason why Tony would be angry at the future telling kid. It wouldn't justify taking it out on Ulysses instead of Carol, but it's slightly more logical.
>>83655074
I'm just pissed that her sloppiness got muh Shulkie killed.
>>83657573
Don't blame Carol, anon.
Blame Bendis.
Ulysses is going to get a secondary terrigenesis and bring Rhodey and Jen back to life because nobody really gives a shit at this point what they do.
>tfw no Katheryn Winnick as lightning bolt suit Carol
>>83655868
$100 a day when you're in peak physical form doesn't seem that fucking high
But then again, I know what people can actually afford in the Bay.
>>83655738
>He saw several futures
He saw thousands. Panther God saw all of them, and still agreed with Doom.
>>83657383
I guess because nobody really gives a shit about comic Tony so it's ok to turn him into the next Hank Pym. There are no Tonyfags working in comics.
It makes me wonder what his comics are going to be like when MCU fans grow up and become writers.
>>83657677
yeah, concept was meant to come across as 'staying on Extremis would cause these people to do without house or food' but the area is already so expensive that anyone who couldn't afford an extra 1,400 a fortnight was living above their means to begin with and should have already moved to a cheaper state
>>83656180
>Inversion Spell
It really sucks how much of a cop out it was having Tony be inversed to justify Superior.
>>83657580
True. Fuck that chode looking mutt.
Why can't I just have my green cheesecake and eat it too?
>>83657716
Yeah, but again, these writers are trying to hammer home how EeeEEEVIL Tony must be for putting the price that high. They really have no idea how well-paid a tech executive is, do they? I can name at least four middle managers in my company who could easily afford $3000/month, and probably would if it meant instant physical perfection.
$100/day for absolute perfect health in a market practically dripping with excess income? How the Hell is Tony the villain again?
>>83657744
I thought the whole point is that in Extremis people just wanted to party and fuck and enjoy their peak humanness and ended up neglecting their responsibilities, thus losing their income. I feel like that was said at some point, at least, maybe I'm crazy.
>>83657735
because you didn't spend enough money on Byrne's run
>>83657769
>people just wanted to party and fuck and enjoy their peak humanness and ended up neglecting their responsibilities
That's upper management for you.
>>83655074
Shut up faggot! Captain Marvel is going to be everywhere for the foreseeable future, so how about you get used to it?
>>83657723
"Tony is evil because he got zapped by a space wizard" is way easier to buy than "Tony is evil because of contrived shit that we're going to pass off as natural character development."
>>83657769
that was just the people who responded to Tony's 'party at my crib, everyone is invited' message
>>83657371
>But in the case of, I dunno, Miles Morales was supposed to kill lots of people, I would give him the benefit of the doubt instead of putting him in Guantanamo.
They wouldn't necessarily do that.
In Civil War II Spider-Man tie-in, Ulysses predicted that a guy would kill 2 people. Instead of beating him up and arresting him for nothing, they followed him, then punched and detained him when he broke into his ex-girlfriend's house.
So yeah, there's nothing morally wrong with using Ulysses.
>>83657801
I don't know, Tony was always teetering on the edge of dickishness, it could be a story about him just going too far, this very thread provides arguments for how what he did isn't necessarily evil. I mean, in the first Civil War he did WAY more explicitly evil stuff.
>>83657819
BUT RHODEY
>>83657770
Lol funny story about Byrne.
Went to the LCS to pick up some old Shulkie/FF with She-Hulk by Byrne. This is after his little tranny rant, which I had not heard about.
I ask the woman (with a beard, mind you) if she had any Byrne and got a very stern look. Apparently they're incredibly liberal at this shop. As sad as it is I'm either guessing those old issues are trashed or burned somewhere because she told me she "got rid of all them".
Wish she got rid of all of them to me for free.
>>83657769
I think that's indicative of the sort of people who'd show up to a Tony Star tier pool party for a hot new "biohacking" product. Every single last one of the "quantified life" fucks at work are just that self-absorbed. They'd take "a few weeks" "to recharge their batteries" and "reacquaint themselves with human-ness."
>>83655074
>>83657853
>They'd take "a few weeks" "to recharge their batteries" and "reacquaint themselves with human-ness."
An actual, real life human being said this to someone who they had responsibilities to and got away with it? Godspeed, corporate America.
>>83657852
>getting rid of the work just because the author has different views than me
So fun to see liberals acting like nazies
>Thanos was coming to steal the comic cube
Okay I'm a little more on Captain Marvel's side now. I hadn't read the FCBD issue until now, I thought he was just farting around in some corner of the universe and they decided to act proactively on something that might be happening in a few months.
>>83656945
There's a lot of .jpg jokes I could make here
>>83657840
In the first Civil War he went back to making weapons for the government, which is like making a comic where Spider-Man stops being a hero so he can give show business another shot.
Civil War wasn't consistent with his character at all. Tony was a dick in the past but usually it was stuff like "fake his death for no reason" not "send other heroes to space jail".
>>83657894
I'm increasingly convinced the tech bubble is inevitable because the majority of any given startup is now headed by fucks in close-cropped thin tees going out for single-origin coffee and discussing the finer points of Tim Ferris, not coding like everyone who contributes meaningful value to the product.
Fuck, even beta testing or taking surveys from split testing would contribute more than these fucks.
It showed that even with the ability to tell the future, Carol lacked the JUDGMENT to bring the right heroes/ inform all the world that Thanos would arrive.
It did not matter that she could see the future, that power went to her head and she brought the wrong group.
Playing God, means a sin of avarice and rpide.
Carol IS the bad guy here, Tony is going to do bad things b/c he is AVENGING his friend.
This is a test of Judgement for carol, which she failed. And a test of Character for Tony, which he wont fail since he is an avenger. And basically superior since he is a super genius, with a black belt in pride and it's folly and carol is a regular person. Carol is being given character growth, by her failing and losing people.
They fridged the black guy and she hulk. Two fridges, worth of death to make carol's grim growth more worthy.
Except she killed them. War machine and she-hulk are not Thanos tier and should not have been their.
Furthermore, why are you faggots all so dumb?
>>83657926
This might have been the case at some point, but it was changed before publishing to make it more morally ambiguous. No confirmation on that, of course, but all early leaks of the story said Carol and friends went to confront Thanos in space.
>>83657922
I wanted to go on a tranny rant right there just to see if she'd take me to the same place she put those books lol.
>>83657926
>I thought he was just farting around in some corner of the universe and they decided to act proactively on something that might be happening in a few months.
That actually wouldn't be a bad thing either. It's THANOS he's killed countless billions around the universe and attacked the Earth like a dozen times. He's basically a wanted fugitive, if you know where he is and you have the ability to do so, you have to go stop him.
>>83657946
I like that they erased Tony's mind to make him not accountable so hero's gave him a pass, turned up Pym was actually a skull to not make him accountable so hero's gave him a pass, but Reed? Nope, Reed was 100% Reed and people still gave him a pass, the funk?
>>83657959
Idk if I'd say She-Hulk isn't Thanos level. She's alot stronger than a lot of people that show up for fights of that calibre. Guess it depends though, can she still go savage?
>>83657965
But that would remove the urgency of it. If Thanos wasn't actively invading Earth to steal a Cosmic Cube, and were just lounging on his space chair as usual, it would be wrong to gather a bunch of chucklefucks and go after him like Carol did instead of gathering ALL THE WARRIORS and formulate a cohesive plan to take him down, unless you're just provoking Thanos to retaliate against Earth.
>>83657959
Hellcat and spidey are Thanos tier, why Rhodey and Jen shouldn't?
Taking out Thanos with only two casualties is a pretty clear win.
Tonyshills leave.
>>83657965
Sure, but if they did go confront Thanos in some corner of space then the fault is on Captain Marvel for not finding EVERYONE to go skull fuck Thanos like the did to that other threat in issue one. Or at least heavier hitters than the Inhumans, She-Hulk, and War Machine.
So again, I was less on her side because it seemed as though they just went out into space to get Thanos preemptively, rather than taking time to "Assemble." But if they only had three hours and it was an immediate threat then I'm more inclined to side with her.
>>83657972
Reed repented midway through the conflict like Spoder-Man, didn't he?
>>83658006
No, he didn't
>>83657975
she died to a moderate bunker buster to the chest. She was the wrong person to bring. And it is fucking dumb that she doesn't blame carol for her death. That is some hack as shit writing.
Her last words would not have been, ' "it's our future," Fuck that is shit writting. Carol just killed you, you dumb bitch, and you know the point of this is that Carol is prideful in using superweapons beyond her kin.
Fuck, I hate Bendis and his hack as shit forced writing.
If she said, I would do it again, or something sure, but no WAY does it make sense for her to comprise her morals and enforce Carol's pride and uglyness.
That is CAROLS entire problem, she is cocky and doesn't think about others or her responsibilities. FUCK it is irritating that people think this is about some goddamn future sight.
He is a fucking mcguffin. The point is about what she did with this god power. And she fucked it up. And Tony's best friend died. And shulk.. and shulk changed her mind the rocket fucked her head so bad.
>>83658001
But why did you bring people who only role they could possibly play was become casualties, Carol?
>>83658006
The only thing Reed did to "repent" was take bullets that were meant for Sue during the final battle. He was still pro-Tony all the way through.
>>83656097
>Which is... unfathomable.
It was a super duper powerful Thanos-busting missile.
>>83658020
>>83658032
Well shit, 2007 was a long time ago, I'd say I need to brush up on Civil War, but I don't want to subject myself to it again.
>>83658002
>go confront Thanos in some corner of space
if Carol brought EVERYONE to fight Thanos off in space somewhere it would leave Earth undefended. Like that event where everyone went off to fight the Builders in space and left Earth undefended, and came back to an occupied planet.
>>83657560
it would be like how the New Warriors attacked Nitro, not knowing that he's amped up , resulting in the incident that starts CW so they have to try to know have it leading the same way.
>>83658050
everyone was an exaggeration, but at least get Vision, Iron Man, and Thor.
>>83658050
>>83658060
Or better yet, wait until Thanos actually shows up at earth so that when he shows up he is immediately wrapped in Hulk bear hug with Mjolnir descending on his head as Dr. Strange summons Cthulu to eat him.
>>83658021
My point was not that Shulk was going to beat Thanos. No one is going to solo Thanos this close to his movie. My point was that she could beat half the people they generally have at a Thanos fight.
>>83657959
>she brought the wrong group
>she brought herself, two people capable of bringing her to planet buster tier that are each absurdly powerful in their own right, a powerful dimension gate, the smartest combat scientist she knows, and three superhero veterans
>the mission ended in Thanos being not simply killed, but actually taken alive
armies with millions of soldiers have tried and failed to accomplish what Carol did with a half dozen, with 6000% more fatalities
>>83658026
because Bendis needed people to die to further the plot
>>83658060
See, the problem with this is that Monica, Carol and Adam alone could have dealt with Thanos if they were written smart, but Carol just took potshots and Monica and Adam disappeared the moment the fight started. The problem isn't that Carol didn't bring enough firepower, is that she brought MORE people than needed... And the writer is a hack.
>>83658026
Tony doesn't have a leg to stand on, since if it were up to him nobody would have gone after Thanos at all, he would have killed everyone at Project Pegsasus and who knows who else
>>83658026
its to make sure the other heroes won't be the casualties. Scapegoats
>>83658078
Thanos is sitting on the sidelines waiting to come in as Sixth Man of the Year in the MCU. You think they're going to make him look like a three-person threat in the case that some normies picked up CW2 after watching the CW movie?
So after reading the thread can we agree neither Tony or Carol are wrong, the only one who is wrong is Bendis ?
>>83658078
The problem isn't that Carol didn't bring enough firepower, is that she brought MORE people than needed... And the writer is a hack.
this
>>83658095
>So after reading the thread can we agree neither Tony or Carol are wrong, the only one who is wrong is Bendis ?
I thought this before reading the thread.
>>83658021
Except Jen shouldn't have died from a small bunker buster
>>83658092
If they took the time to establish Adam like the broken God-like being he is, yeah, sure. He isn't around in the MCU to confuse normies.
>>83658095
Tony and Carol both have valid arguments and glaring flaws, but the entire conflict hinges in the stupidity of the writer, yes.
>>83656225
Dear God that dialogue. It's not even Bendix speak. It's just so clunky and unnatural.
And that "yes please" with everyone gathered round him. He looks like a retard who just drew a picture and everyone's telling him is great
>>83658032
And he built space guantanamo and other shit. Reed is a fucking villain and no one ever does anything to stop him, he's so detached from morals buy people still are his friends
>>83656298
I almost feel for Ewing. He's like the guy that has to follow a parade horse scooping up the trail of crap it's leaving
>>83658133
You don't have that time with normies. They're trying to get new readers. Is it at the expense of the story? Yeah. But events don't have very good stories anyway.
>>83656809
That just made Rhodey look lame. If your only "power" is tech you need to constantly have someone else build, maintain and upgrade, you're barley even a sidekick. Even the robins are able to operate solo.
>>83657005
Bullshit no way the H and T missiles are in the same isle there's a load of letters inbetween
>>83658271
Anon, I need you to confront the fact that other than his name and his cool looking low-fi armor, Rhodey has always been super lame.
>>83658329
>>83656809
Reminder that the last suit Tony built for Rhodey was top of the line shit that was even more advanced than the stuff Tony used for himself.
It could even make the user intangible briefly which would probably be handy when a really strong guy decides to punch you.
>>83658340
Yeah, but that never made it into a movie, and we can't synergize like that.
>>83658026
They explained it in the actual comic. Rhodey was on site and insisted he help.
And like fuck was She-Hulk a forgone casualty, her getting so much as hurt is so bullshit that we can't stop complaining about it.
>>83658027
>>83658329
>>83658337
Is this an out-of-context /pol/ thing?
I'm getting the impression this is an out-of-context /pol/ thing.
So, what exactly does Tony plan to do with Ulysses after kidnapping him? Imprison him forever? Study him? Try and depower him?
Do you think Nuzlocke will fix Civil War 2?
>>83658403
it's all greek to me
>>83658421
launch him into space, probably
>>83658356
Also the the reason why Tony built said super OP suit for Rhodey in the first place is because outdated technology almost got him killed.
This whole conflict revolves around a problem that Tony already recognized and fixed.
>this entire shit is happening because ironman is the most bankable mcu character right now, captain marvel is a female with a movie coming up, and marvel is trying to capitalize on the cw movie by making another cw event
Seems like all the necessary ingredients for a clusterfuck that doesnt make sense is here
>>83658379
>Just because I tank nukes doesn't mean I can't die from a punch of a toddler
>>83658509
Yep, events are almost always shit, add to that pleasing the MCU normie fans and you have a steaming pile of triceratops shit
>>83658190
I don't.
He's an asshole in person.
>>83658653
Really? How so? Have you met him?
>>83657213
Not like they're locking up purse snatchers two days ahead of time while thyey're on the can.
So far they've just had two world-ending tier villains showing up, and Ulysses giving them a heads up so they're not caught with their pants down.
I feel like the line is obvious and easy to draw. Tony is being a huge bitch about it. Carol was wrong to just throw fucking anybody at Thanos. Unless you're around Thor's level, you should stay in the back for general support, not get within punching range. Thanos is not very mobile.
>>83655868
So I haven't read this comic.
Am I to understand Tony Stark made a mobile app that gives you a limited time gene therapy?
>>83658837
And like someone said earlier, when they were told that a random dude was going to kill 2 people, instead of arresting him they followed him until he broke into his ex-girlfriend's house with a gun, THEN they arrested him.
>>83658845
Yes, he infected the entire city of San Francisco with a new, safe version of Extremis that's activated via an app, the first use is free, but every subsequent one costs a 100 bucks and people become addicted to being ubermensch.
>>83658837
>>83658991
I think it's pretty clear that as the event unfolds they'll be slippery-slopping towards more and more minor predictions, and that's were Tony goes over on the "I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE STAIRS DOG" platform.
>>83656956
This. In Annihilation, he was practically Annihilus' lackey. In Thanos Imperative, he was on the heroes' side.
>>83656089
>US people had them as their president, vice-president and defense secretary for years.
Obama isn't white...
>>83659289
Until he wasn't, and then two brave heroes sacrificed themselves to keep him away forever e none of them were ever seen after that. No sire, what a beautiful conclusion to those character's stories.
>>83655600
Let's look at who all Kamala has fought so far:
>The Inventor
A bird.
>Dr. Minerva
Female Kree
>Loki
White gender-shifter (since it was Agent of Asgard Loki who could switch between male and female anytime he wanted and did so all the time)
>Kaboom
White Female
>Kamran
Paki male
>Dr. Faustus
White male
>Clone army of herself
Paki Females
So of all the villains she's fought, only one of them has been an evil white man, and he was a pre-existing villain.
Boo-hoo, you're so oppressed.
>>83658845
the drug was in the water, despite what he claimed. the app just activated it, and deactivated it when your trial period ran out/you failed to make a subscription payment
>>83659350
Shh, shitposting is all he's got, don't take this away from him, Anon.
Civil War II #2 final cover that the official preview forgot
Why the fuck is considered a LAST-DITCH Civil War II tie-in? I don't care about that book anyway
>>83659372
>Iron Man is kidnapping Ulysses and flying away
>QUICK, SEND A FISHMAN WITH A LASER GUN
