>With great power comes great responsibility.
This is nothing but slave morality, attempting to siphon power away from the people who've earned it, to the powerless.
The only responsibility powerful men have is to enrich their own lives, and if that includes rightfully subjugating the powerless then so be it.
The less worthy will always attempt to steal from the powerful, and they need to be put down and taught who their masters are like the filthy dogs they are.
>>83602748
OK Mongul
>>83602748
but parker dident earn his power it was an accident
>>83602748
Snyder, plz leave.
>>83602748
Ayn Rand pls
>>83602818
Rand was right. The less wealthy are evil ingrate parasites who steal mercilessly from the real producers and innovators who have made our worthless shit hole of a planet tolerable to live in. The socialist systems the west is suffering under today are nothing but pyramid schemes relying on eternally expanding population growth. It's all falling apart now, which is why Europe is importing millions of low IQ savages in a panic to save their sinking ship. The masses are mindless cattle who ride on the coattails of the accomplishments of a very few number of great men, and they imagine these accomplishments to be their own. Why would any rational human being allow the masses any say in the role or activities in government when they will always do nothing but vote the entire nation into utter ruin? We need a fascist dictatorship who advocate for a free market, we need a Pinochet to cleanse our countries of this genetically dysfunctional communist filth.
>>83602981
Alternatively, there are relatively good and bad people both with and without positions of power and the world's only absolute is that absolutes do not exist.
>>83602981
>Rand was right.
Rand was never right.
>>83602748
>slave
> siphon power away from the people who've earned it, to the powerless
You are just picking words at random, right?
>>83603022
>there are relatively good
AHAHAHAHAHA
>bad people
Yes. Bad people. People are not good. People are selfish.
>>83602748
>>83602981
>>83603135
Cant you go be a NEET somewhere else, like /a/?
>>83602981
Please let Stan the Man take your energy away already Ditko
>>83602818
Fun fact: Stan Lee introduced Steve Ditko to Ayn Rand's books. Lee was fascinated by Rand and he wanted to share his impressions with Ditko. And then Ditko lost his mind.
>>83602791
He EARNED that field trip, dammit!
>>83603095
>hurr durr there was a single word you didn't use correctly
Alright then. Leech. They leech power. Better?
>>83602748
YEA RESPONSIBILITY'S COOL
BUT THERES MORE THINGS IN LIFE
>>83603195
>movie version
It was a walk in science fair. Any yokel could have got that bite
>>83603135
Aw come on anon don't be so cynical
>>83603147
I'm not having a tantrum, I'm simply stating that uncle Ben was full of SHIT.
>>83603230
I was actually referring to Ultimate, but yeah.
>>83603135
>People are selfish.
YOU are selfish, and you want to feel morally justified in being so, therefore you naturally latch to objectivisim, the perfect philosophy for assholes.
All humans can be selfish, but all humans have the capacity to be altruistic too. It's just that you have decided that being selfish is a virtue because you don't care about helping other people.
Just like Ayn Rand, she hated charity.
>>83602748
"Responsibility is slavery" could be Spider-Man's "Hail Hydra"
>>83603196
>Less wealthy people leech off of wealthy people by accepting their paychecks and doing their jobs.
Ayn Rand was a cuck too
You don't want to be a cuck, do you Anon?
>>83602748
Getting bitten by a radioactive spider isn't really 'earning it'
>>83603273
True altruism doesn't exist. It's just a survival method in service of the selfish gene.
>>83602981
>Rand was right
Which is why tons of objectivist societies with no government have thrived! Oh wait.
>>83603297
I agree
>>83603273
>Inb4 blahh blahh charity is bad blahh blahh taking advantage of people's generosity
>>83602981
>>83602748
>>83603331
>A 14 year old's philosophy lesson
kek
>>83603331
>True altruism doesn't exist. It's just a survival method in service of the selfish gene.
How are people that sacrifice their own lives to save strangers servicing the selfish gene?
>>83602748
Ow, the edge
>>83603299
No faggot, they've used the power of the state to steal from the productive elements of society, ultimately making the entire world worse. They're shortsighted and don't deserve any say.
>>83603331
>The selfish gene
>selfish gene
>gene
>selfish
>>83603355
adhom
Gas the flatscans, gene war now
>>83603376
>Productive elements of society
So, the millions of working class across the country, from the inception of our government to today are not "the productive elements" because they're "not as wealthy".
>>83603361
Men sacrificing their lives in service of the group helps human genes survive and proliferate. What a stupid question, honestly.
>>83603399
I'd stay and sit you down for a nice chat, kid, but I'm busy. Guess we'll both have to be disappointed, eh?
>>83602981
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
>>83603429
Did they invent the underlying systems and technologies that fuel our societies? No, they're mindless workhorses, nothing more. Robots will soon replace those millions, and after that they can just die off like the useless pieces of meat they are.
>>83603441
So a healthy fertile young man dying to protect an infertile old woman helps human genes survive and proliferate.
Good to know.
>>83602981
Rand was right in that the poor can be evil and petty.
Rand was wrong in that the rich weren't all that as well.
>>83603450
Heh
>>83602748
>Kill them all, Peter
>>83603474
>and after that they can just die off like the useless pieces of meat they are.
OK, we've all had good laugh here, you can stop now.
>>83603485
What a silly extreme to go to. You sure proved Dawkins wrong with that hypothetical situation.
>>83603441
Sacrificing their lives for complete strangers, i.e. firefighters, first responders, SWAT, coalition soldiers, Red Cross, missionaries.
>>83603474
Slow down, bucko. You're trying too hard.
>>83603526
>>83603551
Not an argument.
>>83603339
Maybe not governments, but transnationals and bankers have.
>>83603339
Heh
>>83603565
You don't deserve an argument, you goofy loon.
>>83603565
I don't argue with mental cuckolds.
>>83603544
You don't see how those institutions helps society survive, and the humans within it to thrive and procreate? Seriously?
>>83603565
Why do we have to argue with a NEET over the internet?
>>83603331
Dawkins regrets calling the book 'The Selfish Gene' and wishes he had called it the Immortal Gene instead.
>>83603565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
>inb4 not an argument
>>83603538
Not an argument. :^)
>>83603450
Nice reddit quote.
>>83603600
>checked
They're a silly little goon so I for one will give them their fifteen poss of fame.
>>83603599
What you describe defies the idea of greed in and of itself. Helping humans and helping them pass on their genes is not greed, who the hell taught you that. How do you benefit from a person being born after you die, in a different country, on a different continent.
>>83603339
It always baffled me how the heroes of Rand's novels were the actual most worthless people in their world, the kind of people who had no skills other than paying other people to do things for them. Like, she should at least have made them some type of impossible Tony Stark level supergeniuses who personally invented everything their company produces, but instead she just made them random rich people who would never survive a week without the help of the so-called "parasites".
>>83603677
John Galt did invent the magical infinite energy machine. But yeah, everyone else were just rich CEOs, plus a few oddballs like a trucker, a judge that hates the government and an Ayn Rand self-insert writer.
>>83603565
>>83603474
>>83603376
>>83603196
>>83602748
Found the mentally ill trust fund kid
>>83603653
Not to mention, many of the people saved don't even breed. How does dying to save an old lady help genes or whatever? Notice how that anon dismissed it as an "extreme" because he knew he had no way of arguing further >>83603538
>>83603450
I read both, Atlas Shrugged is an overwrought novella Rand probably stretched to a novel for royalties but Lord of the Rings taught me that some are inherently unable to create civilization, they can maintain some warped visage of it by consuming massive amounts of resources but should not be tolerated within any society.
>>83603756
>you need to be a trustfund baby to see parasites are taking everything and giving nothing
Go give more to Bernie.
>>83602748
Nietzche go back to combing your moustache
>>83602748
Randroid pls.
This is a sorry excuse for a /co/ discussion, you're not actually even talking about the movie, but about your own morals. Nobody should give a shit and you should take this to /pol/.
>>83602748
Except that statement isn't about siphoning power, and your reading of it suggests you are bound by slave morality yourself.
"Great power, great responsibility" is a reflection of the fact that the more powerful you are, the more consequences your actions have. It's also a statement of the fact that with great power, you are at a higher risk of adversely affecting your life through its misuse.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
>>83603825
Great, here come the Trumpfags.
>some are inherently unable to create civilization
Like the Mexicans, amirite? Pathetic. Had you lived a hundred years ago, you'd blame the Jews instead for all your problems.
>>83603832
Not to be that guy, but Nietzsche advocated for enlightenment of the self but didn't necessarily advocate that an enlightened individual should actively work to harm the un-enlightened.
>>83602748
Aren't you a little too young to be posting here?
>>83603910
Nietzsche was a borderline psychopath whose ruthless philosophy of virtuous selfishness lead to his insanity.
>>83603620
Dawkins regrets everything he does because he's an obsessive sperg with little forsight to the obvious social reactions of his work.
Him finding something to perpetually complain or feel superior about in comparison to larger society is literally a driving character trait.
Anyhow think there's a bit of disconnect in that most people assume selfishness to assume 'true/total' selfishness. Instead of simple an extension of the old Bedouin saying "I against my brother, my brother and I against my cousin, and my cousin and I against the stranger" which results in a logicly expanding heirarchy radiating out to contain the entire human species.
This entire unconscious hierarchy is based upon genetic selfishness, but is not absolute, as memetic selfishness (shared cultures or ideas) may override it dependent on the individual's values (ex: on occasion a family may give up a member criminal, not out of fear of reprisal by the larger world, but out of rejection of the ideas that member's crime embodies.)
>>83602748
Gonna guess you got a solid B- on your book report.
>>83603905
How about you look at the people taking US welfare, getting US driver's licenses, getting put into US prisons and STILL calling parts of the southwestern US 'Mexico'
I'm half Hispanic and Korean, both my parents are immigrants and have bought guns recently because our city turned to a shithole becasue some cucked politicians turned it into a 'sanctuary city' forgetting that the constituency they are supposed to SERVE is not south of the fucking border or claim they are hispanic first and American second after three fucking generations of living here. You want to know why the US is getting stupider? Look at the fucking animals they think is better to cram into a highschool instead of a zoo.
>>83603441
That's not how genetics work. If selfless people die without passing on their genes, then their selfless genes don't propagate.
It's only "selfish" when you die for your own offspring, and even then we're abusing the definition of "selfish".
>>83603825
Lord of the Rings taught me that epic fantasy books with extremely deep lore actually make me fall asleep with boredom
>>83603243
Fucking hell these aren't even Ben's words. They never were. Instead of getting your autism triggered by dumb movies go read a fucking comic you filthy casual.
>>83604101
hobbit was always better tbhqhgyaft
>>83604096
>That's not how genetics work.
>their selfless genes
>>83602748
Why doesn't Mary Jane like me? I am the SUPREME gentleman!
>>83603355
Not an argument
>>83603962
I'll point out that only a society may determine what is 'Insane' one is only insane if mentally incompatible with the functioning within that society.
One example is schiztophrenics who put butter in the attic to 'appease the faries' or go into 'prophetic fits' are perfectly functional individuals in a society that strongly believes in magical values.
This makes insanity a meaningless charge when applied to post-societal philosophies.
KILL THEM ALL PETER.
>>83603962
With friends (at least former) like Richard Wagner, wouldn't you go insane? Either way, point conceded.
>>83604085
It's easy to blame your problems on Mexicans when you're half-Korean and most your friends are likely white anyways. The socio-economic problems of migrants are far more complex than just "hurr they're just born wrong durr" that people like you spout. Systemic cruelties suffered by minorities in America are not easily removed as long as people like you ally yourselves with the enemy.
>>83604182
>I'm not crazy!
>You are!
>>83603331
How does that make it not "true" altruism? The behavior evolved for practical reasons, but it's frequently exercised by people who literally gain nothing from it.
>>83603849
It can also be interpreted as the responsibility to use your power, rather than let it go to waste.
In many ways, a person with great wealth and personal power who does NOTHING with it and just rests on their laurels is worse than a person who has failed to achieve anything in the first place. The presumed 'lesser man' lacks the ability to do great things, but they waste few resources in the process and there is the potential excuse that they simply never had the resources or opportunity to reach their potential in the first place. Not everyone does, after all.
But if you have power or wealth, and you do fucking nothing with it, then you explicitly have the resources and opportunity to do something great and have personally chosen not to. This doesn't just impact you, resources are finite. You being powerful and wealthy means that, by opportunity cost, someone else is not. So soaking up wealth and sitting on it prevents others from using that wealth for useful things.
Now, this doesn't mean that what you should be doing is helping everyone else around you. That's obviously a valid use of your power, and one many people would appreciate, but funding your own private projects or investing into the development of new technologies are also good.
To put this back int he scope of spiderman, Peter with his spider powers has a power that no one else does. A perfectly normal person chosing not to go and fight Venom is understandable, they lack the power and skill to meaningfully impact that problem. But if Peter, with all of his power, makes the same choice to do nothing? That carries a much greater weight, because he actually CAN do something about it. The very act of inaction means letting people that could be saved die, and letting problems that could be stopped continue. This gives Peter a much greater personal responsibility over the outcome of the scenario than the vast majority of people, even if he never shows up to the fight.
>>83604206
Dont see you crying about Mexicans doing the same thing to Central Americans
>>83604142
Altruism is a behavior that was genetically selected for. It doesn't come from thin air.
>>83604206
>Systemic
>people like you ally yourselves with the enemy.
Next you're going to say "PoCs and queers are natural allies!"to iu
>>83602981
>Ayn Rand
>right
>>83604214
But anon, you are crazy.
>>83604246
Meant for>>83603905
>>83604234
This is the kind of argument an atheist would make.
>>83604256
where did the first altruism come from then? checkmate atheists :)
>>83604295
This guy gets it
>>83604297
Some people call me that
>>83604214
>Sanity is not statistical
Yes, it is, Winston.
>>83604327
Do you think OP is crazy?
>>83604332
You're crazy
>>83604370
He's either a troll or just really stupid. Probably both.
>>83604370
Crazy, noisy, bizarre
>>83602748
read a fucking comic retard
>>83604319
Genetic mutation, like all traits.
>>83604327
I go by Space Cowboy.
>>83604308
What a wonderfully vague way to dismiss a post. Legitimately impressive.
If I say I am not an atheist, I take your statement as a personal criticism and then that becomes the new topic of conversation, dragging religion into the mix and distracting from the original topic.
If I say I am an atheist, then that gives you an out to make a show of tossing out the whole argument based on that fact alone.
In neither case are you required to explain how that has anything to do with the topic whatsoever, and its vague enough that you can use it in response to basically any argument on 4chan with much the same results.
A masterful distraction technique.
>>83602748
DON'T SAVE ME, INVINCIBLE NEPHEW
>>83603825
>but Lord of the Rings taught me that some are inherently unable to create civilization
I assume you're talking about the orcs. Are you seriously comparing fictional evil monsters with entire groups of real people?
The whole powerful people are more important thing kinda falls apart when you stand back and look at society as a whole. The man who cleans out shit from the sewers has a much more impactful job than the CEO who runs some big business
>>83602748
Okay, buddy. I get the message. Just do me a favor if I ever see you bleeding on the street and tell me you were the one who posted this so I can leave you and assert my position of power, please? I need the reminder.
>>83604463
You're using the argument that people with power have the responsibility to help the powerless. God is almighty, yet still allows for bad things to happen to good people. Therefor, you are an atheist.
>>83604502
Especially since at the end of the day, both the CEO and the sewer man are replaceable.
Contrary to what Rand claimed in Atlas Shrugged, if a bunch of CEOs walked out on society, some new ones would replace them and society would keep marching on, nobody caring that they left.
>>83604424
And where did these genes come from?
>>83604496
>real people can't be monsters
I remember when I was young and naive as you.
You are all crazy
This world is crazy
I'm the only sane person in a world of insanity
>>83604532
That would only happen in a free market.
>>83604556
I remember you
You ate bugs on dares
Did you think that would make you popular?
>>83604397
>>83604408
I fucking love this board sometimes
>>83604528
You're retarded, I don't think you even know what an atheist is.
>>83604543
YHWH
>>83604556
Of course real people can be monsters, but real monsters can come from anywhere, no race has a monopoly on being a monster.
>>83604101
The lore is only deep if you want to figure out what they are referencing. Kind of like how you can let your eyes glaze over at the genealogy of David and enjoy him kill a guy with a rock.
>>83604206
Actually, I can, the same way you can try to pour money into doomed projects to try and get blacks to stop being animals or illegal immigrants from being drains on society or voting against US interests. By all means go ahead, I'll vote against you but will never deny you're ability for personal charity, the only thing I hope for is that you stop using other people's money and risking their lives for your personal crusades.
>>83604631
Why cant atheist define atheism?
:3
Poor people are the most generous. They will share what they have even if it is a little.
Rich people are greedy and follow the vile maxim. Take everything for yourself and leave nothing for anyone else. rich people are in a sense less human.
>>83604639
Race is a social construct, shitlord
>>83604639
>no race has a monopoly on being a monster
Wanna go live in Africa for a while?
>>83604528
Sounds like you didn't actually read the post beyond the first line or two. I even specifically address that point.
> Now, this doesn't mean that what you should be doing is helping everyone else around you. That's obviously a valid use of your power, and one many people would appreciate, but funding your own private projects or investing into the development of new technologies are also good.
Using power to help the powerless is a valid choice, but the important part is to use the precious opportunity that you have to try and do something worthy of the chance you have. Using money and power to gain more money and power in an infinite loop with no actual payoff is just wasteful. Because you soak up resources and power for yourself, but you never plan on DOING anything with it.
>>83604639
When a statistically significant portion of a race are monsters regardless of social class, I'll avoid them.
>>83603185
So Stan lee invented Watchmen?
>>83602748
Be sure to let me know how that works out for you.
>>83602981
>>83603474
You do realize that rich people need less wealthy people to exist, because otherwise how are they gonna make any money? Companies can only make money if they have customers, and the vast majority of consumers are normal people.
>>83604739
God is almighty. He could do literally anything, and it would take no effort. Yet he does nothing to the good people who suffer horribly. Therefor according to your morality, I can see in your post, I can see that you are an atheist.
>>83604687
Atheism is the absence of belief in a God or the belief of the absence of God.
If you believe there is a God that is almighty and allows for bad things to happen to good people, that doesn't make you an atheist.
In fact that literally makes you a theist.
So yeah, retard.
>>83604528
Yes, and?
Actually, doesn't God say a lot of shit about how he doesn't play by the sane rules as everyone else, and we shouldn't do some of the stuff he does?
>>83603331
Check out the badass...
>>83604795
Wealth is created by the rich.
>>83604818
That doesn't even begin to compute.
Retard.
>>83604818
No, you are very much retarded.
See:
>>83604828
>>83602748
>taking Nietzsche seriously
I mean, I knew this board was full of plebs, but really.
I bet you haven't even read On the Genealogy of Morality either, you're just parroting what you read on /r/libertarian
>>83602981
Heh - this is 4chan and you really fit in nicely.
>>83604863
Not really, no. That's an oversimplification at best.
>>83603135
Don't cut yourself on that edge there old chum
>>83603339
Ok I'm reading this comic it's pretty good but I don't understand something about this one since when is veganism a healthy diet
>>83604863
No, wealth is created by desire. If you had all the gold in the world but nobody else wanted it, you would have no wealth.
>>83604863
Wealth is created by labour kiddo, read a book.
Or wait, does praxeology magically create value from nothing?
>>83604754
Indeed, this is why I avoid whites. No offense.
>>83604795
Ayn Rand didn't seem to understand this, in her mind consumers were irrelevant to how succesful a business was
>Now project the mentality of a savage, who can grasp nothing but the concretes of the immediate moment, and who finds himself transported into the midst of a modern, industrial civilization. If he is an intelligent savage, he will acquire a smattering of knowledge, but there are two concepts he will not be able to grasp: "credit" and "market."
>Then the savage observes that the department stores are full of wonderful goods, but people do not seem to buy them. "Why is that?" he asks a floorwalker. "We don't have enough of a market," the floorwalker tells him. "What is that?" he asks. "Well," his new teacher answers, "goods are produced for people to consume, it's the consumers that make the world go 'round, but we don't have enough consumers." "Is that so?" says the savage, his eyes flashing with the fire of a new idea. Next day, he obtains a check from a big educational foundation, he hires a plane, he flies away—and comes back, a while later, bringing his entire naked, barefoot tribe along. "You don't know how good they are at consuming," he tells his friend, the floorwalker, "and there's plenty more where these came from. Pretty soon you'll get a raise in pay." But the store, pretty soon, goes bankrupt.
>The poor savage is unable to understand it to this day—because he had made sure that many, many people agreed with his idea, among them many noble tribal chiefs, such as Governor [George, not Mitt] Romney, who sang incantations to "consumerism," and warrior Nader, who fought for the consumers' rights, and big business chieftains who recited formulas about serving the consumers, and chiefs who sat in Congress, and chiefs in the White House, and chiefs in every government in Europe, and many more professors than he could count.
>>83602981
I'll never understand this fetish some have for ayn rand.
>>83604955
Whites are literally the most well behaved people on the planet.
>>83604754
But what about when those statistics are clearly caused by location.
>>83604960
>Therefore, they conclude, the consumer—not the producer—is the motor of an economy. Let us extend credit, i.e., our savings, to the consumers—they advise—in order to expand the market for our goods.
>But, in fact, consumers qua consumers are not part of anyone’s market; qua; consumers, they are irrelevant to economics. Nature does not grant anyone an innate title of “consumer”; it is a title that has to be earned—by production. Only producers constitute a market—only men who trade products or services for products or services.
>>83603832
Don't mistake this douchebag for Nietzsche.
>>83603962
Pretty sure it was the syphilis that did it.
>>83604308
That speaks for it, not against.
>>83604720
Every race is made of asshole monsters in Africa, though.
>>83604992
>>83604960
>Consumers don't real, just like make goods
What the fuck
>>83605031
Not the Rhodesians.
>>83604960
So, why did the store go out of business? I assume the "savages" paid for the goods they bought.
>>83604982
Fuck you. I live in Alabama and nearly every white person is a stupid fucking hick that thinks they'll die if they don't spend 80% of the day driving their fucked up pickup around aimlessly while drunk off their ass.
>>83605090
Nice anecdote.
>>83603677
>she should at least have made them some type of impossible Tony Stark level supergeniuses who personally invented everything their company produces
She did
Which is another strike against the books, since no CEOs are not omnidisciplinary geniuses
>>83605120
>no counterargument
stupid OP doesn't realize that mismanaging personal power will harm you before it harms anyone else
>>83605068
No because they're only consumers and not producers, so they don't monies.
It's a bit of a retarded analogy, considering the 1st savage at least had a way to make money since he could afford to fly his whole tribe over, so he must have been able to produce somthing.
>>83605147
I don't need to argue against a personal anecdote.
>>83604955
None taken, you are completely welcome to hang around a black people that are almost twice as likely to rob or assault you. You are a big boy and I'm sure your posturing of pet minorities gets you plenty of virtue points.
Look at data from Chinatown to Chiraq, notice how the crime tends to drop significantly despite the new immigrants being in usually worse financial straights than the local blacks? But no, I'm sure the magical patches of land other minorities and whites live in is totally the thing holding the black man down. Because Section 8 totally helps rise them up and doesn't kill property values and increase crime.
>>83605147
See above, friend. I like that. Maybe I could take the easy way out and just talk from small experience and not look at official DoD and DoH data.
>>83604528
>Not believing that your deity is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent makes you an atheist
>Not belonging to an abrahamic religion makes you atheist
>>83605179
Yeah, you do.
>>83602748
Quite right.
Here's the real truth. There are eight million people in this city. And those teeming masses exist for the sole purpose of lifting the few exceptional people onto their shoulders. You, me? We're exceptional.
I could squash you like a bug right now, but I'm offering you a choice. Join me! Imagine what we could accomplish together... what we could create. Or we could destroy! Cause the deaths of countless innocents in selfish battle again and again and again until we're both dead! Is that what you want?
Think about it, hero!
>>83605090
Anon don't you know, if you don't post a heavily-artefacted jpeg, poorly made collage, or link to a white power geocities website, you aren't allowed to talk about race on anonymous imageboards
>>83605204
Well darn, you sure convinced me.
>>83604818
Just because God is all powerful doesn't make him all knowing or all good by default
>>83605174
The "savage" got the money from "a check from a big educational foundation", so I guess that means their money doesn't count?
>>83605191
Hinduism is for fags.
>>83605179
You do however need to provide evidence that whites are "literally the most well behaved people on the planet."
>>83605190
When will you faggots get it though your head it's the ghetos that are the problem
And fuck property values housing should be afordable
>>83602748
This line isn't about sharing your power. It's about using your power for good. Uncle Ben is saying "look Peter, when you are capable of doing incredible things, don't use that power to hurt people like a maniac. Try to be a decent person and use that power to help people and make others happy. Doing this will make you happy in return and more people will respect you in the long run." this is further illustrated at the end of the movie when the New Yorkers on the bridge distract the green goblin long enough for spiderman to help the kids.
>>83605191
It's funny but I guess to some people atheists are just anti-Christians.
>>83605210
Best reply.
>>83605235
Ah right, handouts are the true evil.
>>83605274
But doing good things is gay lol he should just gore kill everyone with his powers because they're all weak pissants.
>>83605232
MMMM BOYS
>>83605210
How did it take this long for this reply to come up?
>>83605347
Because this thread was never about the actual movie.
>>83605274
>help people and make others happy
This is basically the argument the lower classes use, and it literally translates to "GIVE ME YOUR STUFF!"
>>83603594
>>83603600
holy shit its literally identical to sjws when theyre challenged.
>'its not my responsibilty to EXPLAIN how you microaggressed onto me, its your responsibility to get EDUCATED'
if you dont know shit dont say shit
>>83605210
>Imagine what we could accomplish together... what we could create.
So, what exactly did Norman want to do that he needed Spider-Man's help for? Take over the ciy? Take over the world?
>>83602748
>>83602748
>people who have earned it
Yeah getting bit by a spider was real hard work
>>83605392
I think comparing people to SJWs or calling them SJWs has become the new Godwin's law.
>>83605392
Man your right it really is extremely similar.
>>83605399
Peter's ability to stick to walls are crucial in taking over the world.
>>83605392
>if you dont know shit dont say shit
How about you follow you own advice. You talk like a twelve-year-old who thinks he has figured out the whole world because he read a wiki synopsis of Fountainhead and beat Bioshock on easy.
Here's the fucking actual truth of things: humans are weak and worthless and incapable of accomplishing anything worth shit unless they team up with other humans. All of human civilization and all our behavior and morality and all the shit you claim to despise is just increasingly advanced forms of teaming up. If you have an issue against it, you're welcome to live alone and die alone, having accomplished nothing.
>>83605272
>And fuck property values housing should be afordable
I believe that artificial inflation is a problem like the Chinese using chunks of Vancouver for money laundering but you have to be joking that all property should be subsidized becasue that would require the govt either outright owning all land or depending on them to not fuck with land prices in favor of a guy who donates a modest sum to their re-election campaign.
>>83605517
>he isn't a rugged individualist
Better dead than red, commie.
>>83604863
Well yeah if they're running a counterfeiting operation.
>>83605430
well the irony is sweetest here because its the /pol/ types who believe in this shit who are the ones making most of the comparisons to sjws, despite being equally unable to explain their absurd points of view. turns out they're exactly the same
>>83605539
>that would require the govt either outright owning all land
What's wrong with this?
>>83605383
Spiderman doesn't give people shit. He helps them by preventing and stopping crime. If you have power you have the opportunity (and according to Uncle Ben the responsibility) to be good instead of bad. Don't be a dick and people will like you. That's what Uncle Ben's speech boils down to. The only people who won't like spiderman are the crazy people and/or the criminal minded people.
>>83605590
Except many people hate Spiderman because of anti-vigilantism and media smears.
>>83605582
Overplayed your hand there. Gg, almost got me.
>>83605590
>>83605646
And many heroes simply dislike Spider-Man because they find him annoying
>>83605682
Didn't drop him though, hell he went out of his way to save him
>>83605682
Pete is that one kid. We're all that one kid.
>>83605517
you or i might have replied to the wrong person/misunderstood cos i agree with you pretty solidly
>>83605312
Still doesn't explain why the store went bankrupt if they were paid for the goods.
>>83603474
Robots are replacing jobs in the finance sector faster than anywhere else. It's one of the few sectors where the work is well within the capabilities of cheap AI, because it works to simplistic rules and only requires attention.
Turns out they don't spend 15 years embezzling a slush fund for their retirement, and they never miss out on a big deal because they were at a bar with their PA on company time.
>>83605682
I remember the time spidy threw the shield and it ended up in the latverian embassy
>>83602981
I kinda want to find and kill you
For the greater good of course.
>>83605758
>they were paid for the goods.
I don't they were. In fact there's no indication that they even consumed anything.
>>83604982
Not when the japanese exist.
Their obsession with politeness is literally eating their society from within,
>>83605832
The greater good.
>>83605792
I feel like Doom has had a harder life than most villains. Shit just happens to hm and as a ruler of a fucking country he can't just let it go, I wonder if he just wishes he could be a high B list villain sometimes.
>>83605590
And criminals REALLY hate Spider-Man. They hate him so much that they'd rather beat the crap out of him for 5 minutes than actually try and escape prison when given he chance.
Plus, how many individual heroes have had entire villain groups formed for the sole purpose of having revenge on them?
>>83605866
I don't understand Japan. All the other Asian peoples are complete savages, why are they such an exception? Was it the nukes?
>>83605841
Then what exactly did they do? Fly all the way there and just stand around not buying anything? >>83604960
Either way, Rand has done nothing to prove that consumers are irrelevant to the market.
>>83605758
The salesman explained that; no one was buying the merchandise to begin with. The story doesn't make any sense, the business was already failing, "We don't have enough of a market." The story would work as a critique of bailouts or subsidies, but it doesn't as a critique of consumerism. If anything the fault lies with the company itself, as it was unable to manufacture or respond to market demand.
>>83605948
Horrifying war tends to either make a society polite to a fault or just break them into unstable savage lands. Same with South Korea.
![10 The Shredder Strikes (Part 1).avi_snapshot_05.03_[2014.07.03_15.36.42].png](https://i.imgur.com/krQB1y2.png "10 The Shredder Strikes (Part 1).avi_snapshot_05.03_[2014.07.03_15.36.42].png")
Dude, it's just a gentler way of saying "for every action there is a reaction."
If you have power, you have to work to maintain it or use it efficiently. Uncle Ben wasn't telling Peter what to do, he was giving him basic life advice.
>>83605948
No, the Japanese will eat each other alive as well. They just wait until someone slips up so they can have an acceptable sociocultural reason to be monsters.
Fuck you OP! I was just browsing threads during my lunch hour and I cut myself on the edge of your posts!
>>83605948
Japanese were always polite. To other Japanese, foreigners were treated horribly. After WWII they were forced to be polite to everyone, or at the very least pretend to be.
>>83605903
>Plus, how many individual heroes have had entire villain groups formed for the sole purpose of having revenge on them?
Almost all of them
>>83606168
There's a difference between villains teaming up for one story and villains forming a long-lasing established group with a name for the sole purpose of getting revenge on one person.
>>83605879
> Literally did nothing wrong
>>83602748
>Earned it
>Happened to be bitten by a magic spider
Okay
>>83602748
Well, yeah, the deal is when Peter started using his powers for his own personal gain, he made a mistake that got his beloved uncle murdered!
>>83606353
>implying peter was responsible for ben's murder
>>83606425
Well all he had to do was stick out one foot a little.
>>83605956
If anything she's arguing the opposite. It does explain why she lived on handouts all her life, though.
>>83605582
Feudalism
>>83606425
His selfish actions were the catalyst for Ben's murder. The moment he let that guy go the clock started ticking.
>>83602981
>fascism
>free market
Pick one.
>>83605956
>Then what exactly did they do? Fly all the way there and just stand around not buying anything?
I mean she doesn't say they do anything.
>>83606484
I love how she claimed that when she came to America "nobody helped me" even though she only made it to America, got a house, got education and got a job thanks to relatives whom she never thanked or paid back.
And of course, using social security money after she inevitably go cancer from all those years of smoking and refusing to believe smoking was bad for your health.
>>83606425
That's the entire implication of this thread yes. Peter didn't HAVE to stop that guy he was under no obligation to do so, but because he didn't his uncle died. Because Peter has the power to act or not he shares partial responsibility for the consequences
>>83606483
>>83606508
>>83606581
Peter shares no responsibility in what happened to Ben. The only person responsible for that event is the killer himself.
>>83606581
That's probably why Peter is on Team Ulysses in Civil War II. In his mind, if you have the chance of stopping something bad before it happens, you should take it or else you'll regret it later.
>>83606529
>>83606581
>he shares partial responsibility for the consequences
That disconnect between him letting the thief go and the thief later killing his uncle is disconnected enough that there isn't a moral or ethical responsibility at play. There is personal guilt, but not much else.
>>83606631
The only thing necessary for evil to succeed is for good Spidermen to do nothing.
>>83606631
If Peter hadn't let that guy go, Ben wouldn't have died. What does that mean to you?
>>83606631
It's not his fault no, nobody can put the blame on Peter. But his choice not to act resulted in the man getting away and killing Ben. This is when he realizes that because he has the power to act he can help decide the outcome for better or worse
>>83606659
Because fascism isn't free anything. It's also bad for the economy, unless you liked fascist Italy. It's obsessed with preserving a system and maintaining order to such a degree that it's the most autistic political ideology.
>>83602981
>rand was right
Stopped right there
>This thread
10/10Autism is the purest expression of Western Civilization.
>>83606870>Autism is the purest expression of Civilization.
FTFY
>>83606805
A dictatorship with a similar election system as that of the Vatican with a focus on maintaining an unregulated market would be pretty sweet.
>>83602748
>>83606353
Actually, if you think about it. What got Uncle Ben killed was not Peter trying to benefit himself with his powers, which he continues to do throughout the comic through his work taking pictures of himself for the Daily Bugle, but Peter choosing to not use them for the express purpose of getting back at someone who wronged him, such as the fight promoter in the movie.
In this instance, he is using his power to obtain satisfaction for himself expressly at the expense of someone else. The fight promoter and the robber are also guilty of this by using his authority to renege on the paying Peter and by using the power granted by having a gun to rob people, respectively.
This theme carries over to some of Spidey's rogues as well. From technologically gifted individuals like Shocker and Vulture who use their powers to take advantage of those who cannot do what they can instead of doing legitimate business to those like Electro who by all rights be much more of a threat than he is often portrayed as but isn't because he can't use his powers intelligently.
So, the moral is less "you are bound to help people if you have", which in some circumstances is impossible as you cannot help everyone, which is perhaps driven home most blatantly with the death of Gwen Stacey, and more do what you can and don't abuse your gifts. Spider-Man lives in New York, and it's impossible for him to be everywhere at once and stop every injustice that occurs, but he doesn't have to exploit the citizens either, and him making use of both his smarts and his spider powers isn't inherently wrong either both through Parker Industries and his heroism activities..
>>83606631
>Literally not understanding the basic motivation of a 53 year old character
The point is he should have stopped that guy, he didn't even need super powers. He was just being a dick because he thought he was hot shit for being on Ed Sullivan and beating a pro wrestler
>>83602748
The filthy dogs are rich bitchs who got said power wrongly. Its this type of mentality that makes filthy hicks love their facist bitch god and the thieving rich.
