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"It's the only way to have an audience these days" edition.
Continuation of >>83478311, that begun as a discussion about the Trolls of Troy cartoon adaptation.
Discuss comics, request good reads, post storytimes, crash the thread with waifu wars and debates about freedom of speech.
Druuna is a post-apocalyptic science fiction series by Paolo Serpieri, that takles issues like transhumanism and social struggles. But for the most part it's about showing some ass.
Druuna was based on Brazilian women ass.
>>83533481
Does great on both counts, too. Love me some Druuna.
Reading Aldebaran right now. Just started part 3 and I'm really liking it so far. English speakers be sure to get the decensored scan, as the tits are pretty dank and occasionally make certain scenes less retarded.
Some of the scenes in this are pretty insane, too. Really like the creatures, and it's pretty clear that Leo mostly wrote this to show them off.
It's more of a redboard comic, but I've been trying to find an uncensored (and hopefully translated, but it's not a dealbreaker) copy or DL of "Annibal Cinq, or The Last Five Women I've Known" (I THINK that was the full name of it). It was a comic Heavy Metal translated back in the late 90s, but I'm pretty sure they chopped it up a lot.
Also, does anyone else know Frezzato? Guy is one of my favorite comic artists, gorgeous style mixed with some more cartoony elements.
>>83533568
Keepers of the Maser guy? Yeah, I love Frezzato.
Been on an early Heavy Metal binge lately. Can't believe I haven't given it a shot till now.
>>83533521
I found Aldebaran really rough to get into because the writing (translation?) is so stilted and weird. It's a wonderful series though. Lots of tits.
>>83533855
I'm used to stilted translations. Cinebook's really bad about them. Thorgal got me used to their writing style. It was just so fucking pretty and had such cool stories I couldn't let a shitty translation get me down.
What's your favourite non-french or belgian European comic? I have only read Corto Maltese but aside from that all I can find from my country are newspaper strip comics.
>>83533879
It's not European, but I fucking loved Metabarons. Steelhead's crazyass story in particular.
>>83533481
european comics have been absolute savors for me when all the american comcis turned into sjw garbage
>>83533947
They're my personal bastion as well.
>>83533947
they'll turn int mudslime garbage soon.
>>83533983
I'm sure european comics can handle a lack of bacon.
>>83533877
I don't understand why the translations have to be so bad. I read one last night where the translator didn't know that 'clair' was slangy short for 'clairement' (Clearly) and instead kept including references to a Claire who was never in the scene.
It's crazy. And that was a professional translation they expect people to pay money for, not a scanlation.
>>83534088
Indifference I suppose. Just an unfortunate side-effect of enjoying a deeply underrated industry.
>>83534088
That is pretty fucking bad. Luckily Cinebooks hasn't hit me with anything that awful just yet. If there's any real reason it should be maligned, its for its censorship.
Here's a page from Aldebaran that was particularly infamous. Goes without saying that he's not looking at a bra here.
Does anyone else feel like Eurocomics generally suffer from bad pacing? I feel like there is some need sometimes to wrap up the plotline in a single album. I found the Bird of Time series and the one with glass swords both rather dissatisfying because of this. Bois-Maury spin off a bit too, though I was mostly reading that one for knight art.
>>83534031
>implying
LE SAUCIFLARD C'EST SACRÉ!
>>83533983
>Europe not even 2% Muslim
>USA now 60% 'white' and 'latinos' growing past 16%
>yurop is gonna become musulim anytime!!!1
Sure thing José
>>83534176
wait so was she naked in the original comic and the drew a bikini over it?
>>83534293
Yep. Even funnier is that the top she was wearing was exactly the same size as the bra.
The next couple of panels show the guy take this as a signal and go all out for a panel or two. Made sense if she was tits-out. None whatsoever if he was looking at a nice brassiere.
>>83534323
and the frensh version isn´t censored?
I wander if the german version is free of censorship as well because I can read it
>>83534367
The French version isn't censored, no. In fact there's a decensored version of the english translation floating around on the torrents that used the French version as a basis.
I have no idea about the German edition, but I doubt Cinebook publishes there, so I'd imagine it wouldn't be censored there either.
Cinebook needs the largest possible audience to be viable so they make their books all ages with creator participation. Leo himself drew those bras.
What's weird is when NBM did Wake, the artist offered to draw a top for Navis but the publisher chose to go with big black censorship bars over her tits instead.
>>83534394
wiki only mentions the english version so I should be good
man the comic overall seems right down my ally
I don´t know why but I had always a obsession with alien saffary and alien colonization kind of stories I love seeing all the weird alien animals and the whole idea of mankind starting from scratch on a new planet always seemed fun to me
>>83534432
>What's weird is when NBM did Wake, the artist offered to draw a top for Navis but the publisher chose to go with big black censorship bars over her tits instead.
Yeah, that one is super stupid. But they probably figured it'd be cheaper.
>>83533568
Found some Keepers of the Maser hardcovers in an abandoned suitcase a few years back. Stuff's a great read.
>>83534434
Yeah, you came to the right place, then. It's largely about how humankind has adapted to its new planet and how it's still adapting to recently discovered things. I also find the reason these people are isolated from Earth to be pretty interesting. Definitely a better reason than "Earth got blown up" or "Earth was too polluted".
Yoko Tsuno was cute
>>83534484
Yeah, I first ran into it in "Heavy Metal, surprise surprise. Had a folder of artwork of his I found online that I used as drawing inspiration before I lost it in a system crash.
>>83534432
What the fuck, NBM. Were they afraid of paying the artist for the extra work?
>>83533877
Do the later books explore the sci-fi elements that have been hinted at the beginning of the series, or not?
>>83533481
>"It's the only way to have an audience these days" edition.
Generally nude children and teenagers work better.
>>83534959
The Cinebook continuum dropped almost all the fantasy stories in favour of ancient aliens.
>>83535026
Oh come off it. Francs and Belgians are horny and like to draw. Of course they're gonna draw delicious brown ass while also providing good stories.
Rather than endlessly push agendas they typically do what the fuck they want, and it works. If it ain't broke....
>>83534367
>I wander if the german version is free of censorship as well because I can read it
The Germans generally don't censor by drawing over tits, but by taking books out of circulation completely, just sayan. But no, no nipples were deleted from the German release.
>>83534918
Heavy Metal was the gateway to good comics for me. Eventually got me away from capes altogether.
So, I heard you guys like good euro pin-up girls?
http://www.bd-erotique.askell.com/
I suggest Critone, Ledroit and Serpieri
>>83535100
It's funny how in Germany the pirate DVD/CD market is still thriving because of how restricted their internet is in providing access to music or movies or video games.
>>83535134
Casotto, too, as she's actually member of the feminist movement. Pic related.
![yoko_tsuno-leloup_roger-18531031-frntl[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bVonoSl.jpg "yoko_tsuno-leloup_roger-18531031-frntl[1].jpg")
>>83535045
>Thorgal without fantasy stories
O_o
>>83534917
One of the earliest examples of weaboo in french comics, I think.
>>83534263
That's my main problem with it and I'm French. Well, maybe I read to much manga, even though I started with classic French comics (Astérix, Lucky Luke, Spirou et Fantasio, Gaston, Barbe Rousse, XIII).
For short stories, 50 pages is ok but when the story span on many volumes, the obligation to have a beginning, development and an ending in each volume impairs the pacing.
50 pages is not much. Often, when there is a big dialogue scene, it feels like caracters are each doing monologue instead of a proper conversation.
![note-lattention-linternaute-quai-dorsay-chron-L-bAH_xx[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Yt4BoII.jpg "note-lattention-linternaute-quai-dorsay-chron-L-bAH_xx[1].jpg")
>>83535175
Dunno, it may be because I'm used to it, but at least it ensures that the story moves forward. It's even worse with old albums that were initially published in magazines, because you have the "suspence de fin de page", where every page has to be self-sufficient.
Of course there are albums where the story is rushed, or graphic novels where nothing happens, but when I compare it to a korean manwha where a single dialogue can take more that two chapters and half the panels are useless, I know where my preference lies.
And I love to see how authors play with medium limitations.
pic related. Quay d'Orsay, a comic biography of De Villepin, the french prime minister at the stratr of the second gulf war. It's excellent, and I strongly recommend it to anyone. Published in english as Weapons of Mass Diplomacy.
>>83535175
It's why a lot of us read japanese comics as well, yes.
>>83535163
>weeaboo
>Leloup
The dude's know to be a huge fucking Germanophile, Anon.
>>83535474
So this is it. The legendary snusnu in action.What's movie?
>>83535496
Ronal the barbarian (Ronal barbaren)
>>83535474
Did she smack him with her tit?
>>83535134
I think Critone gave me a shepherdess fetish, which is particularly hard to satisfy.
>>83535347
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
>>83535665
Then it's xenophilia.
We all got one.
>>83534088
Lacking context there but I never saw "clair" be used as a short for "clairement", it's usually it's own word meaning clear
But the translator himself must have lacked context if he tried to reference a nonexisting character
>>83535876
Clair' is used for Clairement like Totes is used for Totally by kids.
"Tu l'as fait?!!!!"
"Clair!"
>>83533521
Any relation to The Metabarons? I seem to remember somewhere important called Aldebaran in that...
>>83533879
Moomins
>>83535665
>which is particularly hard to satisfy.
...with recent material, yes. But bucolism used to be huge in pornographic literature and art.
>>83533879
I really enjoy Luca Enoch's original series and Volto Nascosto. Shame that the english release of Dragonero got fucked over by them starting out with the origin story, which is basically an extremely compressed comic version of a generic fantasy trilogy's plot.
>>83535975
None that I know of. Aldebaran is a real star system though. A lot of sci fi stories mention it.
>>83535732
I do wish there was an English release for these, translations are fine and all but physical releases are always nice to have.
The Gaston comic Franquin drew for Amnesty International in the '70s.
>>83536269
In glorious full size hard cover.
>>83536269
Buy the French ones. Impress the bitches with your worldly sophistication.
>>83536495
SJW scum.
>>83533879
Paperinik, duh.Xadhoom is best grill
>>83536269
>physical releases are always nice to have
pervert
>>83534088
Translators usually gets paid per page, so it's really tempting to just load the script through google t/l and just even out any glaring mistakes, instead of actually putting some effort into it.
This is the main reason I still haven't read the last 2 tomes of Dark Moon Chronicles. After discovering scanlations and being used to read stuff in english, instead of my own language, the obvious google t/l usage is really glaring when I open an officially translated tome.
>>83535821
>Dude who wrote it got "disappeared" by his government.
Source: Your Ass, I take it?
>>83537030
>lol, why would the reasonable people who form military juntas kill a guy who writes the funny books
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A9ctor_Germ%C3%A1n_Oesterheld
>>83537124
forgot to greentext this:
>His daughters were arrested and disappeared, as were his sons-in-law.
>>83537030
>>83537124
>>83537145
We talking the Eternaut's writer?
>>83536606
Yes, this guy gets it.
>>83536627
I can say with absolute honesty, I don't have a sophisticated bone in my body and I'm too lazy to fake it.
>>83536730's probably right though.
>>83537169
Yep. He wrote "Che" about guess-who and the junta killed most of his family in retaliation. According to the wiki, his widow survived, and a grandson or two were born in captivity and freed later.
>>83537124
According to that page he actually joined a Leftist Guerilla group. I'm sorry, but if you join an armed rebellion you're fair game. We can argue which side was in the right, but he was a combatant, with all that entails.
>>83537275
It doesn't entail execution.
>>83537351
Yeah it does, if you're in a shitty country with a secret police, you're fair game for secret executions.
>>83537351
What are you talking about? People get executed all the time in civil wars. And not just 3rd world hell holes either (though, the 3rd world is the only place that has actually had a civil war in a while; that may be changing though). Read up on some of the civil wars in Europe or the American Civil War for that matter. It is the nature of the beast.
>>83537275
>>83537380
>>83537438
>another thread ruined by /pol/ because they have to justify right wingers and complain about leftists all the time
>>83537380
>>83537438
Yes, I know they get executed. That doesn't make it right, which you guys seem to be implying.
Rape is also "the nature of the beast" in war, that doesn't mean I'm gonna comment the rape of those nuns in Salvador with "Eh, it was a shitty country with a war going on, they were fair game"
>>83537477
I'm not justifying anything I'm just saying he knew the risks when he signed up. It's not like they just killed him for writing anti-government sentiment.
>>83537477
Che admirer gets Che'ed.
>Muh /pol/ boogeyman
>>83537511
>n-n-o guys! I just talk and act like a /pol/tard but I swear I never visited the place!
>>83537501
This kind of thinking can be broadened until it's meaningless.
The American people elected presidents and members of Congress that made actions in the Middle East which helped Islamic fundamentalism. Which means the people in the towers were "fair game".
But it doesn't. It was horrible and wrong.
>>83537536
I've only been there once or twice. Didn't care much for it. But if you insist:
Achtung! The French Comics thread has been outmaneuvered and surrendered like a little bitch after minimal resistance. This is now a Right Wing Fringe Press thread. Post your European comics with a radical right wing world view. Or tits/ass. We consider cheesecake and soft core porn to be acceptable tribute from limp wristed French Leftists. No gay shit though. Unless it's lesbians. Or something. Heil Trump!
>>83537579
But this guy wasn't a bystander in a building in Buenos Aires. He joined an honest to God armed rebellion that was waging war against the government. He was a rebel soldier, not a civilian.
>>83537579
That's not how it works, it means the Regan Administration was fair game. If activists killed them they were fair game and were just a casualty of the actions of Operation Cyclone. Sadly though, the only Regan assassination attempt was over Jodie Foster.
I'm saying someone who joins a resistance willingly accepts some risks like this. The people in the towers didn't accept those risks.
>>83533481
>Euro
British comics too?
>>83537643
Well, duh.
>>83537643
For now but Brexit is looming
I'm still hoping for an eventual translation of pic related. It looks like it could be decent slice of life fun.
>>83537690
EU =/= "Europe"
Otherwise Norwegian and Swiss comics aren't European. They're... something not European apparently but no one knows what it is supposed to be.
>>83537640
>I'm saying someone who joins a resistance willingly accepts some risks like this.
>>83537639
>He was a rebel soldier, not a civilian.
And if he was killed in battle, that would be "fine". But he was kidnapped, imprisoned, tortured/starved and the executed.
That's wrong.
>>83537640
>The people in the towers didn't accept those risks.
They did when they voted Reagan into office.
>>83537735
Well, technically we don't actually know what happened to him after he was last seen by 3rd party sources. But he wasn't kidnapped. He was captured by enemy forces. He was imprisoned, because that is what you do with Prisoners of War. He was probably tortured. That was probably morally wrong. But it's not like his side was any better. He may have been starved. Or he may just not have been fed as well as he was accustomed to. This is normal for prisoners. He was almost certainly executed. Because insurrection and treason are capital crimes. Most governments do issue a general amnesty when they win the war for lowly grunts. But enemy propagandists are usually held to a higher standard.
Wait, what was this thread about again?
>>83537776
Exactly, if you vote in someone who is so dedicated to the Cold War that he's gonna finance Mujahedeen and nun rapists then you do have a certain amount of responsibility for the shithole that the areas in question turn into.
But it's also absolutely unacceptable to say that these wre fair game, and that's what I was trying to prove. That the principle of "he knew the risks when he signed up" can be broadened until it's just crazy. It's ridiculous.
>>83537812
We also don't know if he even joined the guerillas. As the wiki says, "he is believed to have joined". So now we don't know anything. Great.
>>83537812
>Wait, what was this thread about again?
ethics in gaming journalism
>>83537643
So stuff like Marshall Law, Judge Dredd and TF UK then.
Anyone have scans of Sjors & Sjimmie?
>>83537905
>>83537643
do britons love cynical anti-authority stuff?
even their writers seems very rebellious like ellis, moore and pat mills
>>83537380
>secret executions
>fair
Are you retarded perhaps? To be expected maybe, but fair?
>>83537957
You're fair game for secret executions according to the government in a shitty country with a secret police.
>>83533481
God, I love Druuna.
>>83538007
so if you're unjustly killed because of opposing views with the gov, it's all swell with them?
that's unfair
>>83538039
meant to post a pic
>samefagging this hard, trying to get the /pol/ derail back on track
Go away already, the IP counter hasn't moved for a long time now.
>>83535665
Love the style.
>>83537915
http://libgen.io/comics0/_AMER_TRANSL_TO_EURO/Dutch/Sjors%20En%20Sjimmie/
>>83536718
How many times have you been folded?
>>83535332
This page is great because the dialogue is staged. The writer/artist decided to take a whole page for it. Many others writer/artist would have put all those sentences into 2 bubbles in 1 panel that take 1/3 of the page. That's often the result of telling a "big" story in not enough pages.
>tfw LCS has volume 4 of Norma's spanish hardcover edition of Valentina
I swear, those fuckers are going to force me to buy a new shelf.
>>83538281
>President Valentine supports Valentina.
>>83535876
>>83535961
It's the kind of stuff you don't really learn in class. You need to speak with (young) native speaker. Or listen to NTM.
Jaques Martin
for the comic Alix.
Moomin, go read it.
>>83538156
Dayum.
Thanks.
>>83538371
I did a jizz!
Anyone have Technotise?
I tried finding it when I was on vacation in Paris, but no one carried it.
>>83538459
http://libgen.io/comics0/_UNKN_PUBL/Technotise/
Oooh, I finally have something to post here!
So, I went through all of the recent books in the Win-O' for shits and giggles, and Alter Ego really caught my eye. Good art, well-written, well-paced. It's a nice little read. Then I got to the end, and I saw the twist(?): I started at what's technically the 6th issue, but you can read the series in any order to get more clarity.
Cool stuff.
>>83538505
You got everything, huh?
Anyone can recommend any recent releases? I haven't kept up. Talking 2015+
Looking for stuff with substance and nice art.
>>83538658
Not me, but Russia.
>>83538665
>>83538665
this
Anyone know books with scenes of straight shota?
Pic is from Waters of Deadmoon.
>>83538713
>>83538701
Thanks!
>>83538738
ShotAlix
>>83538755
>>83538665
>>83538701
I like the look of that.
>>83538701
phillywilly plz do volume 2. i dont wanna learn french si'l vous plait, merci.
>>83538933
wait, it's not scanned?
>>83537938
Poking fun at the establishment is a british tradition
>>83537643
Only if they have cheesecake.
>>83533481
I don't know if this will get translated and if it can be really aprpeciated by non-italians
I still think it's really fucking good
>>83535961
>>83538325
The thing is, I'm french and I never heard anybody use clair that way
Granted I don't listen to NTM but the large majority of today's french youth doesn't either so I don't see who would talk like that
![ART-F111-522-548-377[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rJJYief.jpg "ART-F111-522-548-377[1].jpg")
Anyone here likes Cosey?
It's one of the last old school adventurer authors, and his books are amazing.
The Jonathan series and The Azur Buddha in particular.
Oh, and Blacksad storytime >>83534849
>>83537145
Why did the original post got deleted?
I like Oesterheld a lot. I can read the Ethernaut and Ernie Pike again and again, and I never get tired of it.
>>83538329
What I find wonderful with Jacques Martin is that he's so "pure". Like Rover Lecureux (Rahan), all he wanted to do was inspiring comics for youth, without a single dirty thought behind it. "I didn't intend them to be gay, but I can understand why people would think so; and if it gives some young gays positive role models, then it's for the better."
>>83538738
Le Monde d'Arkadi (the world of Arkadi) by Caza, got a scene between a lanky 16 yo and an amazonian beauty.
It's nice post-apoc, the story is interesting welll-paced, and Caza's art is gorgeous (until tome 6 at least), great read overall.
>>83534088
For some perspective from the guy who translated Les Nombrils, I think one of the reasons why it can sound so stilted is because French is chock full of English cognates (thanks, Normans!) Which means it's not only way easier to translate things directly, it's actually harder to reword things because in your head, the cognate term gets stuck and it's hard to find an alternate way to say it.
This isn't the absolute best example, but it's a decent one and I don't want to spend forever combing through the book for a better one.
Let's look at the cognates in the French:
poussée (pushed)
prétendre (pretend, claim)
auteure (author)
poème (poem)
dégoûter (disgust)
If we try to translate Albin's bubble using all the cognates we see, we get, literally:
> I... I pushed you to pretend you were the author of Dan's poem to disgust him with you.
If we rework it a bit to sound more natural with some synonyms, we get something like:
>I... I encouraged you to claim/pretend you were the author of Dan's poem so he'd be disgusted by you.
So we've reworked it to sound like proper English, and yet... I don't know about you guys, but even the "improved" version ends up sounding pretty stilted to me. In my final translation I say almost the exact same thing, but I completely rework the dialogue into something that sounds like what a normal (or in Albin's case, semi-normal) 20-something-year-old would say.
>>83538521
Source?
>>83540004
>>83540004
See filename
>>83539982
Knowledge is power! Thanks, Professor Ouash!
>>83539982
Do you have a background in translation or something?
>>83540038
>>83540059
Sure and googling "wake" will give me the right answer.
>>83533502
Actually it's based in Native american women from his days as western artist.
>>83539982
The other day I finally read Bellybuttons and from being mildly interested after the first volume I became a fan by the end (well, not The End, but you get what I mean).
BTW the final translation is much better than the "improved" version. Better flow, my brain doesn't "itch" when I read it.
Could anyone help me find a Franco-belgian comic I've red a couple years ago? It was a post-apocalyptic story about a few different survivors in a city overrun by weird mutant bugs.
>>83540128
If only /co/ had an archive or something where you could look.
>>83540004
>>83540222
>>83540212
Thanks.
>>83540128
All of Wake is available in my folder here: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/k7t1d6khh0424/Wake
>>83540125
Nope, just a hobbyist. I've done a few paid freelance things over the internet but it was mechanical-turk tier crap in both how interesting it was and how well it paid so I haven't done it in a few years.
>>83540159
Thanks, I know exactly what you mean by the "itch". Just that little skip in your brain when something sounds correct but not natural, and that takes you out of reading for a moment. I use every trick I can to make sure everything sounds 100% natural in my translations to avoid this. I won't say I hit it out of the park 100% of the time but I think I do pretty well overall.
>>83540396
>Just that little skip in your brain when something sounds correct but not natural, and that takes you out of reading for a moment.
Exactly, except maybe it's more severe with me because English isn't my mother tongue. I've been learning/listening/reading it since kindergarten so I'd say I have a good grasp of the idioms and all the other shit. I think I even think in English about 30-40% of the time, but still...
![9782359101751~v~La_belle_mort[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lrGnFFS.jpg "9782359101751~v~La_belle_mort[1].jpg")
>>83540161
Sounds like La Belle Mort (roughtly translates as Naturally Caused Death, only found in "il est mort de sa belle mort" - he died of natural causes)
Mathieu Bablet, Ankama editions Label 619.
If I'm remembering correctly, the man is responsible for one of my favorite Spiou magazine short stoies. One about the most cowardly samurai in Japan that has to fight a master duellist after insuting him by mistake.
>>83540559
There is a rip of that, in English.
Beautiful Death - One-shot [2011] [L169-DBT]
BTW, is there a rip of that short story? In English?
>>83539534
>Anyone here likes Cosey?
I meant to check them out, but the german sources died before I could get around to that.
>>83539468
Les personnes qui ont grandi dans les années 90 (80?) jusqu'à début 2000. C'est un argot un peu daté maintenant. Dans 10 ans, les traducteurs se demanderont ce que boloss voulait dire...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imidFh9u3B0&ab_channel=Tok-O-Matik
>>83541204
Ca m'a pris 15 ans pour me rendre compte que Mini Keums, c'était juste du verlan pour mecs.
>>83539468
Another French anon here, I hear and use it occasionally. It's just not used everywhere, I'm from the south-west and it's a thing here.
It confused a breton friend of mine named Claire for a while.
> "C'est clair!"
> "Quoi qu'est ce que j'ai fait?"
>>83541281
From yesterday's Euro thread -
>'clair' is slangy short for 'clairement' (clearly)
>>83541281
There was a time when I was "obsessed" with the NTM's song and kept singing it in a low voice in class. It took a bit of time before a girl name Claire stop turning toward me everytime I was hiting the refrain.
The recent return of the Marsupilami to Spirou comics was a fun ride. It's a pity that this is a one-time thing, but I understand that Marupilami has his own series now and has moved on, which is amusingly the lesson Spirou learns at the end of this story.
>>83538738
>Waters of Deadmoon
Anyone got any links to it? The one from mediafire 3 years ago is dead
>>83538419
This one and The Black Order Brigade are really great
>>83540161
La Belle Mort
>>83533481
How come Franco-Belgian comics usually only do one 48-page album a year? That's a page per week, in America and Japan they do a lot more.
>>83541780
Probably the US and Japan titles have bigger teams working on them? Also manga usually isn't coloured
>>83541780
American trace like crazy
Japan isn't coloured and are paid on quantity rather than quality.
>>83541930
>Japan isn't coloured and are paid on quantity rather than quality.
And they also trace like crazy.
>>83534283
shhh, post-modern reactionary trash don't like when you quote them numbers
>>83539292
I don't think so... they'd need to understand the references.
>>83541780
A Franco-Belgian comic has more panels per page than Western or Japanese comics. Full page spreads and splash pages are almost completely unheard of.
>>83541780
The French market is very small and already saturated. Most artist/writer do not earn enough to live doing only comics.
![marionnette-minikeums-5[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3qxLYSM.jpg "marionnette-minikeums-5[1].jpg")
>>83540684
Le duel oublie de musashi Miyamoto, Spirou 3474 (2004)
>>83541228
>Minikeums
They were too good for this world ;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dNWQ_Vnk8U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w86ADyhJ9Fw
>tfw when no cinekeum / operation barbe bleu links.
>>83541780
Depends on the artist, but I think it's because some work on multiple projects at the same time, or do the lettering and coloring themselves (and even use watercolours in some cases). That, and the french artist working culture.
Or the editors have calculated that people weren't ready to spend €14 on a series twice a year if it isn't written on toilet paper and reads from right to left.
>Tried reading Druuna
>The whole story is just her getting raped over and over again
>>83538423
Which episode?
>>83542131
>not judging a comic on its cover
>>83541780
>a year
Some series have even worse schedules
Blacksad has only done 5 albums between 2000 and 2013.
>>83542186
Even a series as big as Asterix is now doing an album every 2 years instead of every year.
>>83542088
>Full page spreads and splash pages are almost completely unheard of.
That's a result of having so few pages available.
And having more panels per page doesn't mean much. It's not what make a French comic artist do 48 pages when a USA comic artist make 12X20 pages a year.
>>83541780
Most Franco Belgian comic are crazy detailed to be fair, basically paintings with speech bubbles.
>>83542131
Can I know what you expected to find inside when the cover looks like that?
>>83542240
Uderzo doesn't need to draw anything anymore, he's sitting on a fat stash of money; he's doign it for fun.
And to be honest, I wish he didn't. Goscinny left some big boots to fill.
>>83542469
Uderzo isn't drawing or writing them anymore, some new guys are doing it
>>83542130
>Or the editors have calculated that people weren't ready to spend €14 on a series twice a year if it isn't written on toilet paper and reads from right to left.
Well, I know things are hard for french comic artists, but 14 euros for 50 pages seem a lot when you 100-120 pages with a comic for the same price and, depending on the print, 1 or 2 manga, so 180-360 pages.
And colored or not, traced or not, that's much more story to read.
Does anybody remembers a french comic about a teenage raccoon having sex and dating with a lady deer in a summer camp that was based on the author's adolescence?
>>83533481
there's also a Druuna videogame by the way
>>83542502
>Does anybody remembers a french comic about a teenage raccoon having sex and dating with a lady deer in a summer camp that was based on the author's adolescence?
>>83540038
>dat file name
Every fucking time...
>>83542524
Yep and btw it was a mainstream french comic for kids not porno furry shit, an anon stoytimed it it here along time ago and I liked it enough but I forgot the name of it the next day.
>>83542390
Ah ah ! No. Some are crazy detailed. Let's not generalize.
The number of time the cover is more beautiful than any panel inside the comic is crazy. Like the artist is telling you: "I can draw this good but only for covers." In Astérix, Lucky Luke and all the old classic the quality inside was on par with the quality of the cover.
For a newbie trying to get into French and Euro comics, I've only read blacksad so far what would you guys recommended?
I have recently discovered Christophe Blain (The cat's rabbi, Isaac the Pirat, that one comic of a talking philosophical dog accompanying Heracles) and I'm loving his drawings as wel as its storytelling.
>>83542469
I was a kid, I didn't know Goscinny was dead, both names were on the covers and I still felt the differences, like the stories were less humorous and more serious. And for the first volumes Uderzo did alone, it wasn't even bad, it was just a bit less good.
>>83542648
Tintin, Asterix, Thorgal, Wake, Le Scorpion and XIII
>>83542502
Fabrice Tarrin's "Maki".
>>83542737
well memed
>>83542737
Don't let that spoil his stuff for you, just make sure to pirate it in the future.
![quai-d-orsay-affiche-515ae31a35ccc[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/kRZPL9k.jpg "quai-d-orsay-affiche-515ae31a35ccc[1].jpg")
>>83533663
Damn, I wish italian comics were more known here. Ton of good stuff I only see in passing.
>>83540936
It got an official translation, right? IIRC Cosey did the translation himself. One of the advantages of being swiss, I guess.
>>83542648
What do usually like ?
>>83542666
Have you read Quai d'Orsay and Dungeon?
I like his characters. They're really well-written and nuanced.
And the man is a sailor, which makes him very likeable to me.
>>83533918
It is European. Humanoids is a French company.
>>83542795
Yep exactly this one, it is a god-tier coming out of age comic.
For some reason I was going to download it the next day an anon storytimed it but for some reason I forgot the name of it and I could only remember the plot but not the name of the comic so I couldn't find it , thank you very much anon.
>>83542921
You welcome anon.
>65 images, 65 posters
Huh.
>>83542921
Where? I can find it.
>>83543005
Some guy is translating it on english, it's here
http://lcbtranslations.blogspot.com/p/downloads.html
>>83543112
any french version by any chance?
![Couv_46805[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/w9ML57a.jpg "Couv_46805[1].jpg")
Speaking of coming of age stories, Une epatante aventure of Jules (an awesome adventure of John) is a series of comics about scientific vulgarization for kids. And it does family and relationships exploration prefectly at the same time.
FIrst issue has the poor boy go on a FTL travel, and as a result when he goes back to Earth he gets bullied by his younger brother that has outgrown him; the guy can't catch a break in the entire series, but it's surplisingly deep and entertaining.
Author (Emile Bravo) did some Spirou albums, and the Grande Grande Vacances comics and cartoon designs.
>>83542913
The authors are chilean and argentinian, though.
>>83533481
I started to read Troll of Troy. Great fun.
>>83539534
Don't suppose you'd have a download link for the Arkadi books, would you?
>>83542737
nice copypasta
http://www.operatorchan.org/pasta/res/1510.html
>>83543170
I like these too, although they can get a bit too preachy sometimes, especially the author's clear dislike of religion and corporations.
>>83543154
Been trying to find a "free" french version but no luck so far.
>>83538965
It's scanned, it's just not translated.
anyone knows the name of this one comic about a gang of pirate/swashbucklers and one of their member is an erotic dancer?
iirc in one issue she distract an entire port with one of her shows, then get caught and raped by a small dicked pirate captain or something.
i can't remember anything else though, sorry for the vague description.
>>83543370
Fires of Askell
>>83543154
The first book is a compilation of comics the author used to post for free in his blog, I think it's still there but the blog is awful to navigate because the posts are not tagged, o you'll have to look for every post from older to newest
>>83542648
Whatever the fuck you like. Historics, shitton of fantasy and Wild West series are their unique offers.
>>83542921
>Yep exactly this one, it is a god-tier coming out of age comic.
In a world where a Taste of Chlorine and Garage Band are easily available?
Go yiff in hell.
>>83542719
Lucky Luke works way better as a cartoon than a comic.
The New Adventures of Lucky Luke were brilliant.
>>83543404
yes, it's this one!
thanks anon!
>>83542666
>The cat's rabbi
This one is by Joann Sfar (though i can understand where you're coming from)
btw, no one mentioned Dungeon yet. It began as a heroic-fantasy parody where you follow what happen in a dungeon rather than what the adventurers do and became something quite huge and interesting with a lot of offshoots.
>>83542870
I know Dungeon only by name and because of how popular its universe for spin-offs and sidestories isand I also spoiled myself that the duck protagonist goes evil
The artist tickles my bone right, so I might give Blain a further look in the future. Cheers.
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To bring something to discussion, I would like to reccomend this german comic. I normally avoid "ANOTHER SHOAH MUH SIX GORILLIONS" stories, but the topic of boxing champions being imprisoned in concentration camps and still being the most brave and resilient motherfuckers you've ever seen, is very emotive and full of manly tears.
There's a couple of movies and academic books around the subject, if anyone's interested.
>>83538521
When is volume 18 going to be finished?
>>83541204
>>83541281
Je sais pas j'arrive pas à voir l'usage argoté même dans la chanson d'NTM, ils disent juste "c'est clair". L'usage avec lequel je suis absolument pas familier c'est celui de >>83535961 où tu dis juste "clair" pour répondre à une question. Ca je ne l'ai jamais entendu (sud-est)
>>83536812
That's the big barrier for me entering the scanlation scene. I use google to assist me for vocab I don't know, iron out the grammar mistakes, and end up with no joke in a comedy comic. It takes a pretty long time for me to find the double entendre, or the pun, or any non-literal meaning that makes the page make sense, let alone matching the writing style. Shit's hard, especially with characters with quirky speech.
>>83543170
>The authors are chilean and argentinian, though
It doesn't fucking matter, why do some of bring this up SO MUCH? Is Watchmen suddenly a british/eurocomic because it's was done by 2 brits? No, its an American comic book because its by an American publisher.
Some of you so anal/autistic about this shit and its so silly.
>>83543528
They made some pretty good comics about the Afghan war and you suggest that crap?
>>83543837
Russel Crowe is an American actor because he acts in Hollywood movies.
>>83543421
>Taste of Chlorine
I've never found a english scan of this so you're wrong and stuff.
>>83543186
Same! Up to 12 now. The quality varies dramatically but some of it is very funny.
>>83543483
main characters bush on the front cover. I fucking love french girls
>>83544143
Which issues are bad?
![Blast1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hJLPIkE.jpg "Blast1[1].jpg")
Anyone Larcenet here? As much as I like this previous stuff, the massive acclaim that Blast got surprised me. I tried reading it, but it didn't hook me like the rest of his books. I simply don't understand the hype around it, especially considering that the author didn't get much coverage before it.
>>83543471
And it had god tier soundtrack.
But it's to be expected when Shuki Levi is on board.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wx6ubY_ctw&list=PL2C9E76C1A82D81C7&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8y9SVlnhkE
>>83543528
Thanks, I will give it a shoot.
I'm mostly annoyed by the "collaboration and colonization were awful, I'm going to shoehorn them into every comic I make" of french comics these days. I think I can manage one work where ww2 is correctly used in the narrative.
>>83543837
If you say so.
>>83543871
This is a shit analogy and you should feel bad. Crowe is aussie actor that acts in a lot of american films however that does not makes Man of Steel or Gladiator australian films. Jodorowsky is a chilean dude that writes comics for a french publisher however that does not makes The Incal or Bouncer or The White Lama chilean comics. Defining a comic by the origin of the creators is a mistake, half of the comics in the American comic industry wouldn't be American by that metric.
It's like when someone brings up The Bellybuttons and calls it french and someone chimes in "uh no it's ACTUALLY french canadian" Why do you have to be that guy?
>>83544587
>r that does not makes The Incal or Bouncer or The White Lama chilean comic
Incal was done with Moebius tho.
My personal favorite
>>83544517
>If you say so.
Man fuck you and shit nothing you fucking autistic motherfucker imsomad.
>>83537704
Do you have any scans?
>>83543896
>I've never found a english scan of this so you're wrong and stuff.
It got an english release.
>>83544727
What and who?
>>83544798
>paying for comics
where the do think you are?
>>83544587
Same reasons why someone would correct you if you said 2000AD was an US comic magazine, or Aisha was an US comic: It's incorrect.200AD is british, Aisha is nigerian
It's not the same country, they just share a language.
Btw, quebec's comics production is quite nice. I was pleasantly surpised by pic related. Too bad it's on hiatus.
(Boku no Bounty Hunter Academia)
>>83544840
She's Claudia, one of the main characters in....
>>83544925
2brutal4me
>>83543483
It just stops in the middle of a major plot reveal you know.
20 years it's been. You'll never see the end.
>>83544866
Look, Anon, the Marvel/DC/Diamond novel is unique, everybody else making and selling comics acutally depends on people going into shops and buying their shit.
I totally understand people pirating capeshit, because they aren't the company's target group in the first place anyway, but with every other type of comic, you're lowering your chances to get more comics in general by not buying them.
>>83544840
lots of goth hotties, and you get to see basically all of them stark naked. Even a few of them sucking cock from time to time.
Also some of the most amazing artwork in any comic.
![08[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/z7ltIWV.jpg "08[1].jpg")
