Despite how great Forever Evil was, are we all in agreement that the Crime Syndicate has basically been wasted?
Atomica
>Smushed
Ultraman
>Erased from existence
Owlman
>Exploded on the moon
The Grid
>Deleted
Superwoman
>Torn in half
Power Ring
>Broken
Johnny Quick
>Captain Colded
Deathstorm
>Drained and smashed
>>83475450
That sort of shit happens when you go against Sexy Lexy and Big Blue Dong.
>>83475450
Johns barely did anything with them too
First of all, it's comic books. They'll be back whenever someone else wants them to be back. With that said, since they're "dead" for the moment, it'll be a while before their next appearances probably. Which is a good thing. They had a good run with Forever Evil, give them a break and write some other villains for a while.
>>83475515
he barely did anything with 90% of the cast in his entire run
>>83475450
Don't forget Sea King!Johnny Quick's death was GOAT, though.
>>83475515
>Johns barely did anything with them too
What was Forever Evil?
>>83475515
Johns turned the JL into Lex Luthor and Captain Cold the comic
more than half of the JL did nothing
>>83475450
And don't forget Sea King.
>Dead on Arrival
I thought Grid and Owlman where going to have neat side adventures. Shame
Plus Grid could have been a good ongoing foe for Cyborg
>>83475757
>Johns turned the JL into Lex Luthor and Captain Cold the comic
You say that like it's a bad thing.
I think what I appreciate most is johns fleshed them out just enough to make them more distinct than evil justice league copies. Like Owlman's whole thing about order or ultraman being might makes right. heck his whole thing with power ring actually made the character rather unique
>>83475757
>and Captain Cold
I wish
He was in like 5 issues and then wasn't mentioned again
>>83475450
When did those happen to Superwoman and Ultraman?
>>83475949
Darkseid War.
I absolutely loved their origins and flashbacks in the FE tie in issues of JL.
But I'm salty as fuck that Superwoman didn't get exploded like them.
A missed opportunity I think. Could have had Grail & Superwoman raise him together and have lesbian scenes.
I really thought they were gonna do something with Owlman, maybe harassing Dick.
Would've been a good plot for Batman and Robin Eternal.
>>83476418
Right? Owlman is the biggest missed opportunity of them all and for the reason that you pointed out: he'd be the literal best nemesis Dick could ever have.
Yeah you know those ridiculously powerful evil (and by evil I mean ballsmashingly evil) counterparts of the Justice League
Yeah them, we're just gonna let the most powerful villains in the multiverse just run around after the comic event and do whatever they want on Earth that makes total sense
>>83476128
Explored not exploded
>>83475450
>Grid
>Good
>>83476418
>I really thought they were gonna do something with Owlman, maybe harassing Dick.
Not possible since the Batbook and Justice League editorial are really rivals/competitors. The fact that Bat-editorial didn't take a massive dump on FE was amazing as was them doing Grayson.
>>83476556
That was the plot of FE. Basically them BTFO of the Justice League and for Luthor's Injustice League to save the day. It's why Johns hasn't used them much since it's was a one time thing.
>>83476128
Grail was retardedly overpowered
She has probably single handedly set back acceptance of new characters by a decade we are going back into the oc get it away from me phase
>>83475450
Actually we have no indication GRID was deleted, for all we know he's still in the Mobius Chair waiting for someone to find him
>>83476731
>doesn't want to have a nice day
>>83476807
>Can take electricity because reasons
>Victor growing back body parts because reasons
>>83476446
I don't understand d.c. fans and they're obsession with d.c. war machine . Look it's batman as a secret agent and he's not a dicc! Wow
>>83476984
...what?
>>83476984
Your shitposting is too shitty, most people won't even recognize what you're trying to shitpost about.
>>83475749
Their introduction and basically nothing happened there.
>>83476799
So what? she was fucking badass.
She is like Gorr the god butcher. A horrifically menacing tangible threat.
>>83475450
Oh no, they're dead. The ultimate end in comic books.
No returning from that!
>>83475786
He basically redid what Grant Morrison had done before.
>>83477368
Not really. Morrison's Earth-2 CSA versions really didn't have very distinct identities other than Owlman making a cuck of Ultraman and the CSA doing things for lulz. Johns fleshed out their backgrounds/histories using a lot of the pre-crisis stuff.
>>83477363
How the hell do you come back from the deaths that they suffered? Their planet is dead, and they all had gruesome, on-panel deaths. The only thing that could bring them back is another multiversal reboot, or for there to be a second multiverse or something like that, which would COMPLETELY trivialize death in comics.
>>83477354
They are both terrible characters.
>>83477420
They are so evil they break out of Hell.
There, done.
>>83477420
Could have one of the currently unknown Earths be similar to Earth 3
>Johns barely did anything
>>83477520
Look, they just...they really screw with the whole ambiance. And they won't stop worshiping me, and that's just tacky.
>>83477570
No. The only one that was similar is probably the Anti-Matter Universe and their CSA.
>>83477633
>It turns out that's the CSA that got wiped out
It would make sense with the Anti-Monitor's involvement.
>>83477745
I think Multiversity confirmed they are from Earth-3. The Anti-Matter one hasn't been seen for a decade barring maybe their appearance in Busiek's Trinity.
>>83475450
Yeah, it's such a waste, plus they destroyed Earth-3 to boot.
I hope they either bring back Earth-3 somehow, or we get the Anti-Matter CSA again.
>>83477420
>which would COMPLETELY trivialize death in comics
Did you miss Jason and Bucky coming back. Or killing and resing Thor twice in five years?
>>83478207
Not a Marvel reader, so I'm not familiar with either Bucky or Thor's death(s). Jason's resurrection had real heft to it, and consequences, though.
>>83477633
Again we have like 4 or 5 Earth's that we know nothing about, wouldn't be surprised if one of them ends up being another Crime Syndicate world, maybe one closer to The Brave & The Bold version, or maybe the Crisis On Two Earths version
>>83478207
>Did you miss Jason and Bucky coming back.
Gwen Stacey (albeit an AU version of her) is back and Uncle Ben is or will be coming back, and I wouldn't put it past them to bring 616 Gwen back as well during Dead No More.
>>83477421
Fuck you god butcher / god bomb is fucking incredible.
>>83475450
My greatest gripe with Forever Evil is the fact that Finch was the artist. It would have been truly GOAT if it was drawn by Fabok or Reis. What a shame.
>>83475905
Yeah this. It sucked too cause I was looking forward to his interactions with the rest of the league.
>>83475450
I think Earth-3 will be reborn anew and a new Crime Syndicate will appear.
>>83479538
I mean, he's Lex' head of security, but do you really expect anyone to do anything with that who isn't named Geoff Johns?
>>83479555
yeah the orrery seems to have a mechanism that spits out Earths at least
>>83479682
Antimatter universe
>>83475749
It was an excuse for the Legion of Doom to go Toe-to-Toe with the Crime Syndicate of America.
Cool premise with a shit execution.
>>83475450
Was Ultraman still crying like a bitch when he died?
>>83481027
Nope. He surprisingly went down swinging. Could almost say that he had a heroic death if he wasn't, you know, Ultraman.
>>83475749
A waste of the Crime Syndicate.
Superwoman, Owlman, and Deathstorm couldn't not been there and it would've been the same since they barely did anything.
>>83475785
It really, really was since he ended up not doing anything with them of note you characterfag.
>>83482518
>Lex got Superman's powers and became King of Apokolips
Yeah, that's nothing, alright.
>>83476128
>Could have had Grail & Superwoman raise him together and have lesbian scenes.
Seriously, with a single mom Darkseid will never have a real loving Amazon upbringing.
>>83482604
And absolutely nothing interesting was done with that, just like the rest of the Justice League getting powers.
It's not enough to get a power up if the writer doesn't do jack shit with it.
>>83482922
Holy shit! Those things happened at THE END of his Justice League run!
>>83482922
I dunno, Batman sitting on Metron's chair seems to have had consequences.
>>83482681
>Darkseid as a baby
my sides
>>83475450
Superwoman was a qt
>>83482681
That baby is Superwoman's Kid, isn't it? And iirc, it's also actually Alexander Luthor's offspring, isn't it?
>>83482999
>my sides
Don't you mean, yourseids?
>>83483038
She was a fucking slut, Anon.
Sluts aren't cute.
>>83482952
Too little, too late.
>>83483207
>That baby is Superwoman's Kid, isn't it? And iirc, it's also actually Alexander Luthor's offspring, isn't it?
Yes and yes, also being Darkseid.
>>83483340
>also being Darkseid.
I still don't understand how that even happens.
>>83483394
Was said to be ancient Amazon magic.
>>83483434
What fucking bullshit excuse.
Johns is a god damn hack.
>>83480421
>Tfw Metal Men and Doom Patrol did nothing
>>83475450
Forever Evil wasn't great at all.
Frankly Johns has written almost exclusive weak stories since Flashpoint.
>>83483544
>plastic man is still a puddle
>>83484901
what?
explain pls
>>83485298
plastic man got introduced in forever evil
eel obrien got turned into a puddle
the character hasn't been seen or heard from since
>>83485853
>Element Woman
>Metal Men
>Doom Patrol
>Plastic Man
FE was a mistake
>>83483946
His heart wasn't in it. Seems obvious after Rebirth
>>83486038
Metal Men have been having stories in Legends of tomorrow at least and Doom Patrol is coming back
>>83486107
I am talking how they were used in FE
>>83477420
It's comics people always come back anon
There gone for at least 3 years though
>>83483207
Yeah its the son of evil Lois and eviler Lex. She cucked evil Superman and eviler Batman's brother.
>>83482922
Lex only just became ruler of apokalips though let's see how that pans out
I for one am hype
Also
>Luthor is such an egomaniac he reprogrammed his motherbox to say lex instead of ping
Brings a smile to my face every time I think about it.
>>83477420
They shouldn't come back. They're too gimmicky to stick around long. Remember their only pre-New 52 usage was in Grant Morrison's Earth 2 GN. Ultraman was also in Final Crisis.
>>83486514
Wait I thought earth 3 lex was a good guy.
>>83486587
Pre crisis was.
>>83486575
>Grant Morrison earth 2
never heard of that. Tell me more anon.
>>83486558
If it were still written by Geoff Johns Luthor would have lost his powers and Apokolips, like, in the new two issues.
That's my main problem with his run. Shit happen for one issue and then is undone in the next. Sure, technically shit happened and everything, but man it did not felt like it,
>>83486587
Nu52 Earth-3 is the asshole universe, not the morality flip universe.
>>83475450
Grid and Atomica were the only real losses, the others run headlong into problems fitting in. Owlman is yet another evil Batman, Ultraman, Superwoman, and Johnny Quick offer nothing new as villains, and Deathstorm is ridiculously OP.
>>83486901
>Nu52 Earth-3 is the asshole universe, not the morality flip universe.
I really wish they'd stop doing that with Earth-3 variants, it's impossible to do more than one story with that kind of world, Morality Flip versions work much better
>>83487327
2000AD has managed to do it since the 70s. The strict morality, and meta, flip of the Antimatter universe is far more narrow.
>>83487327
Anti heroes, villains, and anti villains ruling an earth is much less narrow than morality being flipped.
There are tons of villain solo and team books where it works out just fine, even if said character or team don't face heroes.
>>83487327
Why not just have 1 of each a morality flip earth 3 and an arsehole universe earth 4
Admitidly the name earth 4 doesent sound very good maybe choose a difrent number
>>83487327
It was less that, and more of a, "in a world where evil is the norm, there wouldn't be any actual heroes, because they'd face evil on a normal basis." Kinda of like how people in our reality are less prone to do reprehensible shit the more civilized the area they're in, people in their reality are more prone to do reprehensible shit because that's the societal norm.
The Jokester was still a good guy, but only in that he was trying to kill Owlman. This did not prevent him from carving up Talon and shipping the pieces to Wayne Manor.
It wasn't great though
It was just okay
He barely had anything to work with becuase the nu52 is so barren
>tfw your favorite characters got rekt in this event
Why Mindwarp, why?
>>83483946
>Frankly Johns has written almost exclusive weak stories since right before Blackest Night
FTFY
>>83490783
Hey, look. It's Mindwarp's fan.It's okay. My favorite niche villain is the Carpenter, and I know I'm never gonna see her again.
>>83490887
I liked Aquaman
>>83490925
I still have hope. Yo too anon.
>>83486717
It was the basis for the Crisis on Two Earths animated movie. It was drawn by Frank Quitely. It was pretty cool. Had one of my favorite GL moments
>>83477421
gorr/ god bomb arc was fucking pure poetry!
>>83477420
>or for there to be a second multiverse or something like that
Bro...
>>83477633
much like anti matter csa the earth three csa is connected to the earth 0 versions. ultraman resurrects. owlman is replaced by jason todd, the grid backed up to the internet, etc.etc
>>83475749
A cool idea and than wasted effort could have played the brother angle with batman and grid could have been an actual villain for cyborg, speaking of which does he have his own personal rogues? I honestly would go on with the rest but as with event for it I will leave it without much effort.
I really liked these versions of the Crime Syndicate and I am bummed that they're all dead now. I liked Forever Evil and their backgrounds a lot and there's a really low chance these versions will ever been back
>tfw no more moe Power Ring, ever
;_;
>>83477038
Wow it's a sidekicc who's a updated version , once was the main character, and literally has a better attitude with the exact same skill set. Hurr durr your not making sense
>>83478564
Gwen Stacey is coming back in Dead No More. As the villain.
>>83479515
I honestly don't dislike Finch that much. Sure he's not great, but his style is solid and at least he doesn't just use poser.
>>83483946
Aquaman and his Superman run were both great. Something about his JL run just went horribly wrong.
CSA is only good for like two stories anyway. Having them as reoccurring villains is kind of shitty.
>>83475450
>Despite how formulaic the Forever Evil arc was in aping better stories
fixed for you
>>83501192
Well, at least now we know what's considered a "good enough" story over at Marvel.
Can Slott troll Spiderfags any harder?
>>83475450
>Owlman
>>Exploded on the moon...it doesn't matter
