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When did this get more pseudo-intellectual hipster than xkcd?I remember this used


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When did this get more pseudo-intellectual hipster than xkcd?
I remember this used to have funny strips.
They are much less frequent.
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>>83467177
pic not related?
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>>83467177
It's probably just that the better strips are more memorable than the bad ones.
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>>83467177
Considering Zach and Randal are friends, it's kinda natural their comics would come off kinda same-y sometimes. Heck, Zach's "funtime activity" strips and Randal's "my hobby" strips are basically the same thing.
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>>83467177
As an applied scientist, pic you posted is hilarious.

The strips like this are not for everyone, but I like that this Weiner specifically sucks mine sometimes.
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>>83467177
Do you consider all science jokes "pseudo-intellectual"?
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>>83467177
theres a greentext about this on /sci/
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>>83469597
he considers anything that doesn't cater specifically to his hobbies pseudo-intellectual
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>>83467177
>more pseudo-intellectual hipster than xkcd?
Impossible.
Shut up.
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It has pretty much always been this way.
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>>83467177
Weiner works in phases.

Some periods he has more jokes about math, science and philosophy. Sometimes he has more cheap dick jokes and puns. Sometimes he has more jokes that are actually funny.
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>>83469629
As in, right now?
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>>83470299
I'm not even sure why that anon went with xkcd as an example of that - when it comes to feigning knowledge of something, especially for status, xkcd is at the low end of the list.
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>Women in the sciences
>Coloured women in the sciences

A disgusting perversion of reality.
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>>83467177
>xkcd
>hipster
How so?

It always seemed more 'obnoxious nerd' than 'hipster' to me.
not that those labels ever meant anything concrete
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The funniest thing about OP's comic is that the creator thinks women can be scientists and mathematicians.
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>>83471413
What's on the high end of the list?
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>>83469597
They are,though.
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>>83469548
this. It's really hard to find good science jokes, and way harder to find ones that actually apply to your field. And as a physicist this one is my fav.
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>>83471456
Gender and color are randomly generated.
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>>83472433
Exactly, just like in real life
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>>83471981
Okay, this shit is hilarious.
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>>83473129
I know that's what your wife told you, but I think it's time we had an honest discussion about human inherited phenotypes, anon.
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He's done a comic a day for around 13-14 years now? I'm surprised that he is still pretty good at all.
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>>83473222
That's true. That's is not your daughter. Girls come only from girl-on-girl action.
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>>83473298
>Where did we go wrong?
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>>83473298
HAHA US PHYSICISTS AMIRITE GUISE?
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>>83473298
This one's a pretty decent variation on the old circular cows joke.
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>>83473332
And so summer begins.
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I find them funny.
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>>83467177

Zack has cranked out a joke a day for a LONG time now, I cant blame him for shifting the subject matter. Sure, my favourites are from some years ago, but he's earned enough points that he can write what the fuck he wants, I got what I asked for MANY strips ago.

And SMBC:s science jokes aren't nearly as smug as XKCD:s.
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>>83471752
Dobson
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My dad teaches Economics, and he loved this one.
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>>83471981
10/10 made my day
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>>83476581
Can you guys explain it to a humanities man?
Is it like a physicist analogue to Noam Chompsky?
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>>83476618
I would but I might get put down myself
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>>83471552
I work with tons of female scientists
Because I am a biofag
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>>83476618
I don't know if it reffers to anyone specifically, but yes, many science types are arrogant outside their own area.
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>>83467177
right around the time he got married. I'm not saying marriage did it to him, but it was right around that time.
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>>83476618

It's a general phenomenon. Noam Chomsky is a good example.
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As far as I can tell, all these complaints about SMBC being pseudo-intellectual are a case of walking into a tie shop and complaining that they don't sell hats.
It's not for you.

Sure the comic is really hit and miss and I'm not defending its quality, but really, it's just not for you.
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>>83473745
Oh I adore this one.
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>>83476794
>>83476751
>>83476727
ok, thank you for the help, anons
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>>83473745
That one is pretty good
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>>83473248
>I only have brothers
>my dad is a man
checks out
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As long as we're posting favorites, this one is mine.
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>>83476797
"Pseudo-intellectual" is a buzzword that usually translates to "I don't understand the joke but I don't want to look stupid when I admit it".
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>>83471894
Why not just a genre of jokes?
Like dick jokes or blonde jokes or your mom is a fatass jokes.
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>>83476893
This is fucking gold.
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>>83467177
The science and philosophy jokes are ok. They're definitely funnier than xkcd. But if all you want are cat jokes, here you go.
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>>83476893
Saved. This is great.
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>>83476893
>that extra panel
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>>83476797
Its not quite the same because hes got plenty of funny comics that center on science and math jokes.

I generally agree though
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>>83476893
Since when did philosophy amount to asking stupid post modern deconstructionist questions that all essentially assert that reality isn't real?
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>>83476893
Second favorite when it comes to science. The 00's were such a stupid decade for biology.
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>>83467177
Nah, even the science strips are funnier than XKCD.

Randall is so caught up in showing how smart he is (which he is) that he often forgets to be funny.
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>>83477098
Since they ran out of things to talk about
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>>83473229
Hasnt he made bonus panels for almost all his comics too?

And he even used to direct sketches. Busy guy
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>>83476893
That reminds me of thoses blue brothers in Invincible always arguing about who's the original and who's the clone
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isn't that a daily strip? running for years?
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>>83477130

I just recently learned he went back and added those extra panels to all his old ones that didn't have it. Pretty interesting.
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>>83477129
This

>>83477098
It's called "post-modernism" for a reason. If it wasn't stupid, we wouldn't call it post-modernism.
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>>83476055
But with Dobson it's not feigned intellectualism, it's feigned common sense.
As in, he tries to feel superior by pretending he has any.
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>>83476893
as an engineer this really gets me.
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>>83477098
Those Philosophers are shitheads who want to stroke their egos. Good Philosophy looks at what deaths are morally permissible, if any, since it has application in hospitals, environmental conservation, Sapient AI and aliens, and cloning.
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>>83467177
>pseudo-intellectual
guy holds multiple degrees in maths and sciences and his wife engineers life forms what more do you want?
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>>83477316
he has a single degree in literature, and he went back to school for physics but never got a degree.
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>>83473516
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>>83477098
The nature of knowledge and certainty has been discussed since at least the 1800's and was integral to the current scientific theory.
People speculating on what can really be seen as real or true is why we try to prove a theory false and not try to prove a theory true, it's why we test things at all.
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>>83477319
Always loved this one.
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>>83477319

Pretty sweet duck.
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>comic artist has a niche interest
>makes comics to appeal with that niche humor
God! Fucking pseudo-intellectual bullshit! Who you trying to impress, you prissy fuck?
Why can't you just appeal to the masses?
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>>83477316
I though he was a(n admittedly intelligent and fairly well-informed) dropout and his wife an evolutionary ecologist
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>>83477129
Philosophy is inherently open ended.

>>83477381
It's absurd to claim that only what can be reduced to a material, mechanistic understanding and understood through sensory perception is real. That concept is literally a wholesale rejection of philosophical thought to begin with
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>>83477103
I feel stupid for not getting it immediately but this is perfect.
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>>83477453

I think he just has an English degree. He probably studies this other type of stuff for fun.

Regardless, number and type of degrees doesn't really say much here.
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>>83477534
Cucked
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>>83471981
That kind of happens to every field doesn't it
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>>83477534
So, linking angle to genotype, are two acutes brother and sister?
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>>83477551
Only if the person has solely acquired very specialized knowledge and hasn't developed a well rounded and expansive frame of reference
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>>83477551

It happens where ever there are intellectuals.
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>it uses words I don't understand
>must be pseudo-intellectual
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>>83477601
>>83477598
Why is academia so horseshit?

t. man without patience
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>>83476797
The problem IMO, is that SMBC used to have a lot of non-math/science related strips that were hilarious, and now they are almost all giant strips that rely on math and science.
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>>83476618
Look at Neil Degrasse Tyson for a current example of someone getting some recognition in his field and deciding that means he has shit to say about other fields.

Look at the recent blowback on philosophy from the latest crop of celebrity scientists for a good example of "people who cannot appreciate other fields."
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>>83477534
I recognize that triangle.
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>>83477103
generally not into the "FUCK YOU OTHER FIELDS REEE" stuff because that shitty attitude is a big part of the problem these days.
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>>83477580
They're people with similar physical characteristics that couldn't produce a different phenotype, like brown hair and brown hair or blue eyes and blue eye-
you know what, they're both white.
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>>83477598
Right so how we train modern scientists and academics because its more """efficient""".
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>>83477642

Because it is filled with people who believe that specialized knowledge is worth more than practical knowledge, and that possessing specialized knowledge gives you the authority to speak AS an authority on subjects not related to that specialized knowledge. And because intellectuals rarely, if ever actually suffer repercussions when their ideas are put into practice and fail, their records are never tarnished and their ideas continue to be propagated and built upon by the next generation of intellectuals.
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>>83477642
>cuz ur dum lel
>>83477598
>have a well rounded and expansive frame of reference
That can't be done unless you wanna basically know nothing about everything
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>>83477749
>FUCK YOU OTHER FIELDS REEE
I don't think you quite got the joke there.
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>>83477749
That's not his attitude though, his attitude is "the potential idiocy of my students is higher than the potential idiocy of yours." He's not saying the "Fuck history, man! Biology has all the history that matters in your GENES, man!"
It's like comparing which subway route has worse beggars/annoying other riders.
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>>83473298
I don't get it.
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>>83477812
Practical knowledge shouldn't be put on a greater level of importance than philosophical knowledge either.
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>>83477880
Yeah but history was a bad choice for that-hell MATH is a better choice for that, because you absolutely do have revisionists undermining history teaching.

they're, admittedly, mostly the guys writing the textbooks.

Like look at how different states teach the Civil War for my point.
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>>83477787
I'm not talking about efficiency at all. Human effort and the way we learn should not be ordered towards cost effectiveness or efficiency
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>>83477815

>That can't be done unless you wanna basically know nothing about everything

You don't have to go that far. You just have to go far enough to realize that you know basically nothing about the fields outside your narrower field of study and leave it to people who know what they're talking about. It is impossible for any one person to possess more than an infinitesimally small fraction of the sum total of all of human knowledge. That's why tasks are better off delegated to those who possess the specific knowledge required to complete a given assignment.

Problems arise when people assume their intelligence in one area automatically translates to intelligence in other areas.

>>83477915

I did not say otherwise. I would not want a dedicated economist fixing my interior plumbing any more than I would want a plumber balancing the budget for my city.
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>>83477880
I thought all he's saying is that "At least Historians aren't dealing with creationists". It's funny to apply creationist rhetoric to other things.

Though it's not a valid point, history is all ideology.
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>>83476244
So it's about monopoly or globalization?
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>>83477098
Because it's true.
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>>83477986
History is the study of the human condition and identity. All knowledge plays a role in history.
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>>83477880
>>83477922
I don't think it's even about idiocy. The problem with evolution vs creationism isn't about idiocy. It's about how one is based on science and and the other is based around faith. Those are not compatible points of view, which is why those arguments are obnoxious. Historians with different points of view are at least usually on the same channel.
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>>83477978
That has more to do with arrogance than frame of reference
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>>83477889
Physicists tend to not care about being exact. Often being in the right ballpark is all that matters. So you round crap up to 10 because it's easier to work with, you assume all objects are circles/spheres, etc.
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>>83478041
>STATE'S RIGHTS
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>>83467177
I remember someone describing SMBC as "a neurotypical XKCD"
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>>83477975
Yes, I agree with you. That was my whole point.

>>83477978
Broader education is absolutely what high school and even undergraduate studies should be for. We specialize WAY too soon because of that 80s "We gotta compete with the japanese!" panic.

>>83478041
Here's a fun fact for you; did you know fundamentalism (i.e. reading the bible, especially the old testament, as literal truth) is a very recent innovation? 19th century. Most classic biblical scholars didn't see a contradiction between the physical sciences and faith because for thousands of years it was assumed that the old testament was a metaphor.

Same with the rapture, which some dudes basically made up whole cloth in the early 20th century.
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>>83473298
Whoever made this should be shot in the face.

>>83473440
I can't even imagine what a fucking loser you must be, to enjoy that garbage so much that you actually would defend it.
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>>83477986
>history is all ideology
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>>83477652
things change
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>>83477098
Since the French Revolution, at least.
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>>83478163
yeah i just skipped that bait.

Ideology can warp history which is why you need to read even the people you can't fucking stand, if only to learn how to pick up on where they're fucking wrong.
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>>83478150

>fundamentalism is a recent innovation

Yeah we fucked up there. Sorry.

Sincerely usa
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>>83478041
Yeah, except people who take the side of evolution often go too far and develop an extreme, unearned sense of arrogance where they outright dismiss every single spiritual Tradition of all of humanities high cultures and develop an extremely narrow understanding of the world. People just have as dogmatic of an adherence to evolutionary science as people do to faith, and this extends beyond things that are capable of being explained by evolution.
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>>83476797
The guy used to make funny comics, and now he makes faggot shit for nerds. Why do you think he should be immune from criticism for this choice?
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>>83478206
You sound like a fucking retard.
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>>83478150
To be fair, high school and the first two years at most universities is general education. Unless you're in like a science or social service major, you don't even have to pick until the end of your second year
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>>83478150
>Most classic biblical scholars didn't see a contradiction between the physical sciences and faith because for thousands of years it was assumed that the old testament was a metaphor.
I can hardly believe that. Because I see churches and hear prayers every day and churches aren't erect for fictional characters. People who go to churches, who pray to Jesus absolutely do believe (or pretend to) that about 2000 years ago Judea was visited by a demigod who told people how to live, was executed, resurrected and ascended to heave as part of some weird ritual. So what makes Old Testament a metaphor that doesn't make Jesus so? Only that certain parts became irreconcilable with reality. Not Jesus though, he's totally real.
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>>83478043

Narrow viewpoints often lead to unearned arrogance.
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>>83473298
i dont get it, but i lack the required knowledge, so my opinion is not useful.
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>>83478206
>evolution is just as much a religion as creationism!
Are you actually a creationist
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>>83478272
Old Testament has nothing to do with Jesus
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>>83476737
are they hot?
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>>83478150
Yes, this is what I mean. The theological study of sacred texts has been throughout all of human history the driving force behind our expanding knowledge of the nature of reality. The Bible is the mythohistoric ethnogenesis of the Israelite people that establishes an immense framework of symbolic and allegorical imagery that encompasses not only thousands of years of history, but a meaningful analysis of the very nature of the human condition, creating essential patterns and fundamental relationships between things that create higher ordered thinking within the individual who studies the texts. The Bible is undeniably among the greatest scholarly undertakings in all of humanity, and people will just outright dismiss it for no reason.
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>>83478309
It's part of the same doctrine. Jesus came, he built on it.
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>>83478255
>>83478301
This is exactly what I mean. Anyone who dares speak against evolutionary science as being the definitive ideology of all human thought must be a retard, must be a creationist and ignorant.
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>>83478150
>fundamentalism
>recent

The past 2500+ years says otherwise, jackass.
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>>83477812
spotted the engineer
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>>83478272
It's about the metaphysical alignment of transcendent spiritual ideals within humanity in the material realm through Tradition.
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>>83478382
Jesus also has nearly nothing to do with the old testament barring being a jew
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>>83477992
It's about an inaccurate analogy because in reality everyone live in the tower and most people benefit materially from its continued expansion.
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>>83478356
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>>83477362
>>83477453

still better than aaron diaz
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>thread about scientific fields
>jew-worshiping apologetics come out of the woodwork

Like clockwork.
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>>83477992
I thought it's about economic bubbles or bailouts.
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>>83478454
Believing he does is the whole point of Christianity
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>>83478319
Most are average, some are hot and like any profession that requires skill or knowledge there's a bunch of bridge trolls
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>>83478499

>>>/pol/
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>>83478539
>>83478454
>>83478309
Jesus is foreshadowed throughout the Old Testament very significantly.
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>>83478561
>>83478539
A messiah is foreshadowed
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>>83478499
>written on a machine theorized, described, and invented by jews

:^)
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>>83478024
That's anthropology. History is the study of What Happened. Everything else is window dressing.
>>83478041
>It's about how one is based on science and and the other is based around faith
In science, especially intro science when Scientific Method is basically chapter 1, that is known as idiocy or completely missing the point.
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>>83478586
Which was Jesus
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>>83473298
This is Aaron Diaz levels of wankery.
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>>83478272
You hang out in churches?

Like do you do it to throw shit at the idiot subhumans who dare to believe in anything besides your own ego?

Or are you a kid and your mom makes you go.
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>>83478649
Maybe the way you study history, most likely because you've only studied in a guided school based setting, but the actual study of history is more complex.

Besides that, the scientific method is not an adequate model for understanding the human experience outside of it's exterior nature. You also don't seem to understand that we still live in a heavily faith based society, as faith is what backs the currency of the Federal Reserve.
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>>83478206
>Yeah, except people who take the side of evolution often go too far and develop an extreme, unearned sense of arrogance where they outright dismiss every single spiritual Tradition of all of humanities high cultures and develop an extremely narrow understanding of the world.
If you're looking for spirituality you can find it outside the biology department and scientific journals any time you want. As for science excluding religion please see the history of Life Sciences and how they were started by motherfucking priests, as well as talk to any Catholic researcher. There's tons of them.
Spirituality is the Why. Science is the What, Where, When, and How. Yes, you can have all five without interrupting other students/professionals or looking down on them.
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>>83478760
My grandmother was religious. When she went almost blind, she needed someone to walk her to the church.

Either way, I don't see your point here or from where did you take what you did take.
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>>83477331
sheeeeeeeiiiiiiiit
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>>83477098
Since science proved the world is more mundane and material than we used to think and that there's nothing really spiritual about anything.
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>>83478818
Going to a church doesn't mean you understand it's religion or it's sacred texts.
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>>83478891
It hasn't even remotely proven that, it's just simply rejected the metaphysical meaning that the humanity of past civilizations were able to glean. It's not the world that's become mundane and material, just your perception and understanding.
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>>83473516
>it's a doggie-dog world
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>>83478388
>He thinks the Earth has been around for that long
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>>83478777
>Besides that, the scientific method is not an adequate model for understanding the human experience outside of it's exterior nature.
Understanding human nature is not the point of Biology. Lots of people end up making assumptions about it through biology (or through Anthropology), but that is not the point of learning life science.
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>>83478384
>implying anyone is pushing evolution as anything more than what it is

You are a fucking retard, and a creationist, and ignorant. I hope deep down you realize that.
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>>83478760
He probably goes because he likes hearing and thinking about morality and keeping up with a community.
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>>83478150
>did you know fundamentalism (i.e. reading the bible, especially the old testament, as literal truth) is a very recent innovation?

/co/ - Religious Apologist Propaganda
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>>83477508
>now non-life is all that remains
>and all it can do is listen
das deep
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>>83477319
Now THIS is good stuff.
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>>83476797
You're on a website and a board specifcally where people complain about things that aren't aimed at them existing.
Get out of here with that reason.
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>>83479000
*tip*
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>>83479000
Religion is within all of nature the definitive and uniquely human aspect that has set us apart from all other living things.
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>>83478907
I don't need to understand sacred text. I know, for a fact, that people don't pray to what they know is fictional character or even dead, but mortal philosophers. Would you claim it otherwise? Care to provide directions to holy temples of Fonz or Freud?

The rest is making excuses trying to explain how divine revelation and ultimate moral guide align so poorly with anything.
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>>83478382
"I came not to preach the law of Moses but to destroy it."

The New Testament is a philosophical text disguised as an account of a man's life codified a hundred years after the fact. No it probably isn't an accurate account of the life of the real dude Jesus of Nazareth who was really put to death for pissing off the wrong people. That's not the point.

It doesn't help that fundies keep quoting the old testament because it gives them more excuses to further their political goals, which leads to people who grow up in heavily fundamentalist areas thinking that's what the whole thing's about.
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>>83478962
I understand what Biology is meant to be as a field, but framing our entire understanding of the human identity in terms of Biological anthropology is a dangerous, reductionist ideology.
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>>83477714
why does he want to kill his alternate selves?
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>>83478388
Look up what the word means, moron. It was a thing circuit preachers invented in the 19th century to make money off of idiots.

Boy did it work.
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>>83478965
Yes, I am implying that because it is true.
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>>83479108
So they can't get him first.
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>>83479090
No, you're speaking out of ignorance based on the ignorance of other people. Metaphysical thoughtforms are not fictional characters like you see on Happy Days.
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> So what are some funny SMBC's?
Now:
>Fuck you and your theories
>get out creationst scum
>look mom I posted the fedora meme again
Just watch, in less than 50 posts anons will be telling each other to kill themselves
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>>83479000
no thats.

that's just a fact.

read a fucking history book oh my god, fundamentalism isn't orthodoxy which I can only assume is what you're confusing it with.
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>>83479094
I thought the quote was "I come not to destroy the covenant of Moses but to fulfill it"
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>>83479180
>A thread grew from it's original intention into a passionate discussion about the nature of philosophical knowledge

How is this a bad thing?
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>>83479102
Which is why you don't have to. see >>83478786
Meanwhile, putting a sticker on biology texts that evolution is just a theory was stupid and cowardly
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>>83479174
>Metaphysical thoughtforms
The first link provided on this exact words is some MLP wiki. How does that make you feel?
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>>83479180

We literally started with:
>When did this get more pseudo-intellectual hipster than xkcd?
>I remember this used to have funny strips.

This began confrontationally, and only got worse.
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>>83471552
Says the manchild living in his parents' basement
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>>83479136
Who is doing that? A handful of weirdos on the internet might use evolutionary psychology to justify weird shit sometimes, maybe. Is anyone relevant doing it? Is it an actual force in your day to day life, or in politics? The answer to these questions is no. It's fucking not. "Evolutionary extremists" barely exist at all and certainly have no impact on society compared to religious extremists. You are a dipshit buying into biblethumper propaganda and the fallacy of the mean. Grow up.
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>>83478938
And since post-modern science established that there's no more to the world than what we can sense, that makes the world mundane and material, the value of which is measured in its worth as an exploitable resource. Ayn Rand was right.
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>>83479237
I don't think any of these fields are as detached from the wider ideological implications that they instill within people when studied alone like you're thinking.
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>>83479237
I mean it is, but so is gravity
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>>83479236
>arguing about philosophy
How is that a useful thing?
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>>83479248
Are you just going to dismiss an entire philosophical concept because Google has tailored your searches for MLP related links? I'm sure you'll find extremely off putting and bizarre New Age cults if you look further into the concept too, like I have several times.
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>>83479094
>>83479223

Jesus fucking Christ, guys. It's Matthew 5:17. (18-19 included for context).

(17) Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (18) For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. (19) Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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>>83479217
You are telling me that you ACTUALLY BELIEVE that the majority of Christians who lived between 1 AD to 1800 AD were aware that Adam and Eve never existed and Noah's Ark never existed and Moses never existed. You believe this?
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>>83479054
>saying shit like this while still pretending to be an intelligent and unbiased human being

How do you differentiate your blind worship of god from a dog's blind worship of an abusive owner?
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>>83477319
>next panel
>"Dear Human, we don't believe you exist. Sincerely, your creations."
>next panel
>is empty
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>>83479335
Oh well would you look at that. The religious retard was lying to make the Bible sound better than it actually is. Imagine that!

Turns out the fundamentalists killing gays are the real Christians who are following the Bible properly, and the progressive Chrisitans are half-assed idiots who are too big of pussies to throw the Bible in the trash where it belongs, alongside the Koran.
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>>83479323
You only come here for strictly pragmatic and utilitarian reasons anon?
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>>83479341
Humanity in it's past was aligned with the metaphsyical nature of reality in a way that's nearly incomprehensible to most in the modern world.
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>>83479503
It gives me Pleasure.
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>>83476897
And also: If don't get it then nobody can and there is something wrong with you for enjoying it.
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>>83479439
No, you're still just being ignorant yourself. I'm sure you know that though, and that you have just as much of a dogmatic hatred of religion based wholly on the ignorance of others as any of the religious people you criticize.
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>>83479439
Not really, Acts of the Apostles contradicts it when Peter and Paul proclaim that gentile converts to Christianity don't have to follow the old Jewish laws (Deuteronomy, Leviticus) because baptism cleansed the soul or something. The person had the right idea just wasn't thinking of the right passages. Basically the Ten Commandments are what Jesus is talking about there, and the other laws Jewish men have to follow aren't important.

Of course that still doesn't excuse everything Paul's epistles go in depth on moral codes christians are supposed to follow, it's just no one ever quotes those.
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>>83479394
I'm very clearly not blind in my theological studies of the spiritual Traditions that all of humanities high cultures were ordered towards.
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social darwinism is bullshit so i think i'm with
>>83479482
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>>83479640
Social Darwinism has as much to do with evolution as jumping off the roof has to do with gravity. Evolution denote that things happen and describe how they do. Science doesn't really, at any point define what is desirable, only how to get it if at all.
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Why do he get only $6,751 on patreon? He was at 10k at some point. Is patreon dying?
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>>83479706
>fourth panel
Everyone does that all the time already.
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>>83467177
He does a comic a day, some are bound to not click for everybody.

I like the ones that have dick jokes as the punchline
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>>83473516
>doggie-dog
This will never cease to piss me off
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>>83473298

I can enjoy jokes even if I have to basically make up what they mean.

The girl names only two concepts. So I assume this is a reference to a binary frame of things physicists often use.

(googles)

Apparently physicists round off things to the nearest approximate.
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>>83479726
Darwinian Evolution and Social Darwinism are inseparable. There has never been a Darwinian theorist, including Charles Darwin himself, who has been able to explain with reasonable consistency why the study of Darwinian evolution would not logically lead to Social Darwinism outside of moral sentiment.
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>>83475773
These aren't even smug at all, just unfunny at worst. That one was pretty good, although I really just though of the improbability drive thing from the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy.
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>>83479482
>Darwinian evolution served as the foundation for a much more significant degree of extremist ideologies than you're allowing yourself to see, most prominently ideologies of racial supremacy and Eugenics ideologies.
Yeah, didn't Progressives (the ones from the late 19th - early 20th century, not the modern ones) in the United States lean heavily on Darwin's work for their attempts at eugenics until WWII broke out?
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>>83478154
Too much
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>>83476893

It's basically a variation on 'scientists versus normal people', isn't it?

>>83477319

I do love how this guy basically takes all of existence by the nose.
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>>83476618
It's pretty much exactly Noam Chompsky
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>>83479954

I dunno if it was Progressives but yeah Eugenics was becoming a thing until WW2 and Hitler

>>83479726

I was stabbing in the dark at what dude meant. I wandered in here because I think Christianity is fascinating and was didn't realize how fedora a thread it is
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>>83477331

...Feels.

>>83477436

What is he, gravity?
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>>83479917
No, you need to explain why it should. Survival of the fittest is post-Darwin invention and is redundant. Title of being fit is awarded to you for surviving, no matter why and how.

At no point theory of evolution suggest it's desirable in any form. It's a description of what happens. Those illegible to mercy are as fit as any.

If you are going to attack social Darwinism, attack people who think they can improve human breed. Heritability was understood long ago and applied to cattle, so you can't really pin human arrogance on Darwin's putting it all together in coherent form.
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>>83477098
Since "Give her the Dick" Descartes, the father of modern philosophy
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>>83477642

It was ever thus. Even in ancient Greece.

>>83478154

What are you so stressed about?

>>83478206
>this extends beyond things that are capable of being explained by evolution.

...What, in human thought and behaviour, extends outside the area that can be explained by the theory of evolution?
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>>83480143
I don't really like his Superman comics
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>>83478217

Because you're not obliged to look at it? Are you paying him? No? Then you don't have any rights at all.

>>83478384

Evolutionary theory is not an ideology. And it's strange to call it that.

>>83478463

The tower is the banks. Not all of society.
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>>83480191
some of them are decent though
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>>83480097

OP, if you're looking for pseudo-intellectual hipster bullshit, it has finally turned up.
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>>83478598

> There he joined into the ongoing discussions on the design of this stored-program computer, the EDVAC. As part of that group, he wrote up a description titled First Draft of a Report on the EDVAC[1] based on the work of Eckert and Mauchly. It was unfinished when his colleague Herman Goldstine circulated it with only von Neumann's name on it, to the consternation of Eckert and Mauchly.

Goldstine ... guess what? /pol/ is always right.
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>>83480233
they're all just applying pragmatist thought to an idealistic concept and they all just come out with "lol what if we applied real life to Superman"
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>>83478561
>>83478722

Horseshit.

>>83479094
>"I came not to preach the law of Moses but to destroy it."

At least check the quote first, man...

>>83479102
>framing our entire understanding of the human identity in terms of Biological anthropology is a dangerous, reductionist ideology

And yet, the only sane approach.
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>>83480074
It was Darwin himself and his colleagues that pioneered this kind of thought. You're trying to defend a theory while disagree with fundamental beliefs of it's key thinkers.
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>>83480191
I don't know what it is about Zach and Supes
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>>83479615
You are very clearly as capable of introspection as an animal.
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>>83475773
I hate it when I get the setup but not the punchline.
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>>83480304
I can agree on how gun works without agreeing with shooting people.
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>>83479482
So if a crazy asshole misapplies a scientific fact to back up his craziness, that somehow reflects poorly on the SCIENTIFIC FACT?

Why is this animal even allowed to post here? Where are the mods?
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>>83480232
>Because you're not obliged to look at it? Are you paying him? No? Then you don't have any rights at all.

I don't have the right to mock unfunny garbage? Who the fuck are you?
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>>83480369
Frequentism is basically saying a thing's probability is its frequency in a large number of trials

i.e. every trial of people stabbing themselves in the heart has ended with their death, so stabbing yourself in the heart has a high probability of killing you
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>>83480015
>Christianity is fascinating

You're goddamn right it is. Islam is boring in its linear simplicity. Christianity is insanely convoluted.

>>83479917

Until we can change reality itself so it no longer operates darwinistically, I don't think there is anything we can do about that.

>>83480143

Amazing. He rendered 'Injustice' and 'Irredeemable' obsolete in a single page.
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>>83480191
That one is basically the plot of Red Son though, just with a more self aware superman.
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>>83480304
So a scientist proved a fact, and several decades down the line other people weaponized that fact. This makes the scientist at fault, or implies that the scientist endorses the other people's actions?! What a fucked up garbage sense of logic you have. At no point do you even acknowledge the FACT that evolution is a FACT, you're basically butthurt that it pokes so many holes in your retard book and lashing out at the guy who put the puzzle together and proved your retarded garbage WRONG. You are an anti-science ignorant piece of shit. Which is what religion boils down to.

Thanks for reinforcing the point that religion is inherently bad and moronic, and pseudo-intellectuals who try to justify religion are the worst people of all.
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>>83480143
This strip seems like it's glued out of two.
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>>83480492
>Until we can change reality itself

This is what religion advocates. Shoving your fingers in your ear and going LALALA EVERYTHING IS FINE while the world burns around you.
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>>83480492

>Christianity is insanely convoluted

It's like Big 2 but a million times more complicated and intricate. Love it. also growing up in the bible belt probably had an effect.
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>>83480544
supporting a theory isn't proving a fact, it's providing sufficient evidence for what you think happens such that the general consensus of your peers is that your theory is probably what happens

you pseudo-intellectual fedora
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>>83480233

A biologist would just shrug. In fact, I shrug. I believe the stock response is "She is more likely to bear viable offspring with an apple tree".

>>83480304

Well, ethics ARE, of course, a construct.

>>83479054

That may be the silliest thing I have ever read on 4chan.

>>83480443
>I don't have the right to mock unfunny garbage?

That's what I just said. You don't.
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>>83480614

Yeah. You put three early Christian bishops in a room, you'll get out 4 heretical doctrines and a fist fight.
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>>83480697
>Two Jews, Three Opinions
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>>83477123
TIS. The biggest mistake you can make as a comedian is taking yourself too seriously. It seems he has some inferiority complex or something.
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>>83480698

>not knowing about Superman's aura
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>>83480292
The first blood sacrifice made to antone for the sins of humanity was a lamb sacrificed by God so it's skin could cover the nakededness of Adam and Eve outside of the garden. The sacrifice of Isaac demanded by God of Abraham was a foreshadowing of the eventual sacrfice of God's son. The shepherd Abel and his death at the hands of Cain was a foreshadowing of humanities role in this sacrfice. This kind of foreshadowing is layered throughout the Bible
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>>83480464
Ah, ok. Thanks.
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>>83480658

...I do not understand the second graphic. Did he let it get worse each time?

>>83480698

Wouldn't friction blast those off though?

>>83480759

Do you read comics? More particularly cape comics?
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I like intellectual comics, so off the bat I wouldn't deride SMBC or XKCD as pretentious or pseudointellectual just because of their subject matter. What annoys me about SMBC is how often it's wrong. There are too many incorrect assertions, and the leaps in logic go beyond what's necessary for a joke.

>>83480698
is wrong because it doesn't take into account insect density over varying altitude.

>>83467177
is wrong because applied maths has an easier time acquiring funding than pure, amongst other reasons.
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>>83480759
If anything those aren't foreshadowing they're either retroactive or homages to previous parts, the bible wasn't written all at once and a lot of Jesus' narrative was constructed to fit the rest of the bible.
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>>83481226
pure mathematicians see themselves as superior to applied mathematicians, that's the joke, you autist
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>>83481148
>Superman murders someone
>crime zeroes out
>crime slowly increases to a point
>Superman murders someone
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>>83478309
Jesus says otherwise.
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>>83467177
Almost immediately.
He's funny sometimes, but he may be the smuggest holier-than-thou "intellectual" I've come across.
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>>83481447
He doesn't
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>>83480143
>the article is not signed "by Clark Kent"

Missed opportunity.
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>>83480390
>third panel
I wonder what it must be like to live in a world where the politicians make light mistakes based on incomplete information and an imperfect code, as opposed to one where they are forthrightly corrupt.
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>>83481447

Well... somebody wrote that he didn't, in any case.
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>>83480698
Wouldn't this be dependent on the season and route Supes took?
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>>83481288
Yeah, undergrads maybe. But not actual fucking mathematicians working for a living..
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>>83479108
There can be only one...
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>>83473298
Zack is much better at physics jokes than other science jokes cause this one is great. Make sense though, it's what he's studying now.
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>>83478356
How about, it was helpful sometimes from a cultural and artistic standpoint sometimes, but there is no way in hell the universe was created a few thousand years ago.
C'mon, anon...
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>>83482480
Posted to wrong anon, my bad
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>>83478947
Its a fucking copypasta
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>>83471560
Isn't it "In an isolated system, entropy can only increase"?
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>>83480166
>..What, in human thought and behaviour, extends outside the area that can be explained by the theory of evolution?

All aspects of reality that defy logical systems and empiricism, humanity ordering all of it's high cultures towards spiritual Tradition and creating frameworks of symbolic and allegorical imagery through which open ended contemplative mysteries within the nature of reality are able to be gleaned. All things of a metaphysical nature, that form a whole that is more than it's individual mechanistic parts
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>>83482480
You're thinking far too simplistic. Spiritual Tradition is what uplifted humanity from a nomadic existence and formed all higher ordered structures of human culture, the concept of Kingship, institutions of higher education, organized military and social services. Spiritual Tradition is what drove humanity to all higher ordered and uniquely human aspects of existence
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>>83482638
Yes, but the earth isn't an isolated system because it's fed energy by the sun.

Although honestly that's not why the '2nd law of thermodynamics' argument is dumb. Creationists misunderstand evolution to be creatures getting 'better' and 'more evolved' over time, which they try to disprove by going 'lol entropy, things can't get better god 1 evolutionists 0'. The argument collapses because it's based on nothing in the first place, you don't need to introduce the sun at all.
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>>83481227
What translations of the Bible are you talking about specifically?
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>lying theists ruin another thread and get mad when you tell them to fuck off
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>>83481148
Yes, I do read superhero comics
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>>83479482
>Darwinian evolution served as the foundation for a much more significant degree of extremist ideologies
You can thank Thomas Huxley for that.
Racist ideologies existed before Darwin too, they just used other justifications
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>>83480233

This would only work if "kryptonian + human" ALWAYS equaled kryptonian, otherwise Clark is just being an ass. 1 is not a viable population by any means.
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>>83480544
We all know that evolution occured, it was in fact a theory long before Charles Darwin wrote the origin of species, I'm just informing you that evolution is a fairly small aspect of the wider understanding of the human experience and your dogmatic belief in it's FACTtual superiority over all other knowledge is ignorant. You cannot separate Darwinian evolution from the social theories built upon it. They aren't these ridiculous extrapolations that perverted Darwins works, they are natural extensions made by his very colleagues, and even his own family. The concept of lifeforms evolving isn't as groundbreaking or new of a thought as you think it is
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>>83482765
I dont think you can attribute our ascension from tribalism to religion.
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>>83483011
I think the best part of anti-evolution people is that they can't comprehend that people don't view evolution the same way they view religion
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>>83478947

You can't get so worked up about this stuff, old memes like "it's a doggy-dog world" are a diamond dozen.
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>>83482890
Thomas Huxley was one of many fervent Darwinian crusaders who actively speant their lives instituting these ideologies throughout the intellectual elite of society. This includes Charles Darwins son Leonard, who called for mass scale Eugenics reform in society.

>Dedicated to the memory of MY FATHER. For if I had not believed that he would have wished me to give such help as I could toward making his life's work of service to mankind, I should never have been led to write this book.

Leonard Darwin,The Need For Eugenic Reform
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>>83483197
I can, as all of the earliest cities on earth are centered around a temple and their social orders were built from a spiritual structure
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>>83483011
>it was in fact a theory long before Charles Darwin wrote the origin of species,
It was evolving as a theory for some 50 years, but he did make serious leaps in it
>You cannot separate Darwinian evolution from the social theories built upon it.
You certainly can. You can separate atomic fission from Hiroshima can't you?
>they are natural extensions
They are not
>made by his very colleagues, and even his own family
His "colleagues" is completely meaningless. Darwin was not employed as a scientist or part of an institution. He was a rich hobbyist
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Why do we even bother having separate boards when we just end up talking about the same shit anyway?
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>>83483397
Can you explain why Eugenics is bad?
Darwin had lots of kids with his cousin, some of them were bound to say or write dumb shit
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>>83483440
Cities happened first you fucking retard.
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>>83483440
Like i said, it SOMETIMES helped us culturally and artistically. One could also point to atrocities committed in the name of religion and call them a step backwards in cultural development. One could argue that agricultural development was much more instrumental in our transition from tribalism
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>>83483614
>much more

It was the thing that made us what we are today. Religion had nothing to do with it
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>>83482782
whoops, I got 'evolutionists' and 'creationists' mixed up somehow and totally misinterpreted the purpose of the strip
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>>83483397
Not the anon you are talking to, but I think it's important to point out to people who talk about enacting social eugenism, that such a thing has already been happening, albeit by accident, but it was put in place:

A group of highly intelligent people of the planet, all gathered in a single place and being relatively socially recluse, resulting in several generation of reproducing with each other, having their offspring more or less following the path and education of their parent and leaving the place when opting for a different carrier path.

That place is called the Silicone Valley, and it resulted in a increase of autism...
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>>83483677
I wanted to put infinitely, or exponentially

But anon might have gotten a bit more salty about being wrong
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>>83483397
Eugenics is a fundamental misunderstanding of Darwin's work any way you slice it, my lad
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>>83479917
looking at individuals isn't sufficient when looking at a species or an ecosystem. For those things you need to look at biodiversity, maneuverability, and adaptability. Which is not covered by darwinian evolution. The problem came when people tried to stretch the theory to places it was not applicable to
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>>83483542
It would most likely turn bad if it was applied today. We still understand little about what gene make someone better or not and most importantly we are starting to understand that the conception of an individual is far more complex than just the understanding of its genes. Furthermore, it would inivitably lead to a loss in the diversity of the genes, as everyone would want to have the best genes and it would be much cheaper to mast produce foatus with this gene than trying to maintain diversity in those kind of gene codes. that would basically expose the population to an higher risk of extintion in case of contagious disease. Not to mention, we would also lose the benefit that bring the randomness of natural breeding and the poptential that new, not developed genes could bring. It would still require years of research of bilogical research to beat what natiral breeding is able to do.

As to simply take what is considered "superiors people" and simply making them breed together, see>>83483710
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>>83483542
It urges society towards conformism and the extermination of all that does not adhere to these norms, whether through outright massacre or soft long term manipulation.

>>83483550
All of the earliest cities known on earth are centered around temples

>>83483614
The highest quality of cultural expression in all of human history has come from the high cultures ordered towards spiritual Tradition and the civilizations they formed. They created the cultural expressions that are the definitive point of reference for what it means to be truly and uniquely human. I could point to Darwinian Evolution as bringing about severe cultural regression from it's role in Nazism.

Agricultural knowledge was also centered in temples with it's Priests and Priestesses being the bearer of this knowledge
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>>83483874
You're thinking solely of positive eugenics.
Negative eugenics has none of these problems
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>>83484139
Societies are fundamentally about conformism and adhering to norms and rules
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>>83481815
fuck, you must be really fun to hang out with. It's a joke on the cliche.A lot of his jokes aren't all factual, they are jokes at the cliche's in science culture.
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>>83484185
wut?
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>>83484139
You're reaching a bit there. More like, some nomadic people discovered they could grow their own food. At a later point, some spiritual guys decided this was a holy thing. Me throwing you that bone right there is in itself reaching also. Damn dude, stop trying to be right when you're clearly not. Priests did not start the agricultural revolution
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>>83482765
what kind of evidence do you have to support that? There are many possible reasons for why human structured themselves into state society. I tend to support the idea that it is a combination of factors, religion may have had an aspect of it but at the time religion was far less structured so I think the converse is more likely to be true that states used religion as a tool to enforce the structure that was created.

Evidence
Religion tends to be more structured in states than in nomadic cultures
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>>83483677
>>83483737
All of humanities earliest advancements in agricultural knowledge was brought forth from spiritual fertility Traditions. You're playing a dangerous game in which you're trying to edit history because you don't like religion.
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>>83484253
Positive eugenics: give everyone good genes
Negative: get rid of bad genes

Depending on the criteria you set, negative eugenics could already have positive effects and people voluntarily engage in it.
For example a woman with Huntington's choosing not to have children
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>>83484139
Looks like you're the only one who holds your viewpoint concerning agriculture and religion. Perhaps you're wrong?
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>>83483710
class separation has existed through all of civilization. As soon as humanity settled cities class separation was invented
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>>83484378
Actually, you're the one attempting to edit history because you want religion to be a fundamental part of the human existence. Why can't you admit you're wrong? Develop some humility
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>>83484378
Our agricultural information came from spirituality? That is seriously idiotic, it is clearly the other way around
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>>83484378
>All of humanities earliest advancements in agricultural knowledge was brought forth from spiritual fertility Traditions.
what? Just because they used religious aspects, which they used for hunting gathering as well does not mean that one followed from the other.

Worshiping the hunt does not logically lead to growing crops. That was because of a burgeoning population due to increasing complexity of tool use. You are making terrible leaps of logic and your causality is completely messed up
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>>83484380
I am not sure I would call that eugenism, though, as eugenism consist of selecting what will be transmitted next.
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ITT: People claiming to be much more intelligent than they really are.
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>>83484578
I know right? I know this word is often abused and misused, but... what a pseudointellectual
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>>83483710
>Silicone Valley
You're thinking of Silicone Mountains
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>>83481493
>He's funny sometimes, but he may be the smuggest holier-than-thou "intellectual" I've come across.
I don't know if you've actually read xkcd, anon.
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>>83484481
Yes and it resulted in the nobility suffering from many congenital diseases.
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>>83483707
Don't worry I never understood the strip and I accepted that for not caring enough and moved on.
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>>83484622
I don't give a fuck what your unqualified ass would call anything. It's a commonly defined form of eugenics.
You're just selecting everything but this gene to be transmitted
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>>83484686
This pic isn't smug.
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>>83484368
Because all early cities were ordered around temples and through the Priests all structures of society were formed. Kings were crowned, military and social services were organized, currency was centralized and cultural expression began to take shape in the form of art and architecture. It's clear you're trying to reduce the definitive and instrumental role spiritual Tradition played in uplifting human civilization because you have a bias against these concepts
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>>83484185
Negative eugenics does have its own problems, though
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>>83480390
>we've always been criminals!
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>>83484905
you are jumping a step of small villages. Cities didn't suddenly exist and Ziggarauts were constructed before the city existed. The city existed and THEN the ziggarauts were constructed, this then caused a restructuring of the city to center around the ziggaraut.
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>>83484949
Mainly that it's not nice or people would take it too far.
Ideas would be so much better without people to fuck them up
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>>83484380
>>83484787
The thing is, Eugenism doesn't really solve this problem, as it stem from mutations. Even if you removed all of huntingtons, it could still pop up back a few generations laters.

You'd have to go further and even remove from the genepool people who are prone to this mutation and then you start removing potential for good mutations too.

>For example a woman with Huntington's choosing not to have children
That's... a bit of backward methodology. Genetic therapy can also be used so that the woman has kids but those doesn't carry the huntington disease.
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>>83485004
No matter how many good points you bring up, >>83484905 is gonna try to argue his "point" just to be obstinate
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>>83484518
>>83484578
You're thinking completely backwards, as if this knowledge was of a material origin when it is of a metaphysical origin. You're assuming your reductionist narrative of human nature applies to the knowledge of ancients when it doesn't
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>>83484890
I don't think there's anything that could possibly be smugger then making a comic where the joke is "Randall Munroe's field of study is better then everybody else's fields of study!".

The joke of >>83471981 is that this is the sort of shitty behaviour of old, shitty scientists who become stuck in their ways, and here's a kid who's doing it already.
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>>83485004
Small villages were also centered around spiritual Tradition.
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>>83485069
>eugenism doesn't really solve this problem
it alleviates the problem, if it shows op again you remove it again and you're spared the cost of caring for a bunch of people
>Genetic therapy
would still be eugenics
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>>83485063
I mean it's also saying humans with our imperfect judgement can make calls as to what is truly negative

It's pretending to be natural selection but removing the natural entirely
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>tfw no one will ever make fun of agriculture, architecture or fine arts
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>>83484564
From metaphysical knowledge, yes
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>>83485148
it's called logic, not reductionism. and ancients used it too
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>>83485218
>fine arts
enjoy your mom's basement the rest of your life
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>>83485218
People make fun of the fine arts literally all the time
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>tfw media studies major

i'm an idiot but what turns me off from SMBC sometimes isn't its Big Science Words, but all the times where the punchline is pessimistic existentialism

and yeah basically all i do is jerk myself off over ideology and overanalyze horror movies
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>>83481596
It happens a lot. Especially when politicians put their faith into ideas and beliefs that have a hidden or undiscovered flaw. For example, the support for John Nash's theories and their applications in civil society, despite the fact that Nash was a paranoid schizophrenic.
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>>83484710
>Charles did not learn to speak until the age of four nor to walk until eight,[6] and was treated as virtually an infant until he was ten years old. His jaw was so badly deformed (an extreme example of the so-called Habsburg jaw) that he could barely speak or chew. Fearing the frail child would be overtaxed, his caretakers did not force Charles to attend school. The indolence of the young Charles was indulged to such an extent that at times he was not expected to be clean. When his half-brother Don Juan José of Austria, an illegitimate son of Philip IV, obtained power by exiling the queen mother from court, he covered his nose and insisted that the king at least brush his hair.
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>>83478961
Since I read that comic, I've wondered how long it would take to see it here.
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>>83485319
Why is the chemist also a pirate
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>>83485218
architects get a ton of hate from construction workers
agfags are bottom of the university 'intellectual group' they get made fun of a lot.
fine arts well, they just wished they picked something they could actually get a job with
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>>83480658
As a jurist, this shit is hilarious.
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>>83479917
Darwinian science is good stuff. Or will be once we fully understand phenotyping.
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>>83485238
You're exhibiting an faulty system of logic that is heavily skewed by an anti religious bias.
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>>83485212
>I mean it's also saying humans with our imperfect judgement can make calls as to what is truly negative
To an extent we certainly can. Huntington's is a very good example because it generally manifests itself after people have had some children. It's a clearly negative genetic defect that "escapes" natural selection. Unlike some other examples of this phenomenon has no positive effect earlier in the life cycle.
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>>83485306
Biological mechanism and the rejection of the metaphysical inherently urges humanity towards nihilistic emptiness
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People have a weird disdain for scientists, the way some people have a weird disdain for people who don't eat meat. It's like them being here rocks something foundational and even though they really aren't hurting anyone. Or maybe it's not that they hate the fundamental ideas, but the ideas they associate with it. "Ugh, you want to tell me nothing happens when you die." "Ugh, you're going to tell me that creatures with brains and nervous systems experience suffering."
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>>83485189
You take that way too serious and project an intent that isn't there.
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>>83485004
Cities were built to support the people who were building and worshipping at the temples anon. This is widely known, even among secular historians
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>>83485442
Says the one making leaps of logic and getting causality hilariously confused.

Pseudointellectual
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>>83482765
You mean agriculture?
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>>83485519
He can't deal with the fact that everything is meaningless, that in fact the concept of meaning is just a pathetic ape grasping aat straws to make sense of his world, and that eventually the very fabric of the universe will unravel
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>>83485442
Not that guy, but there is only so much credit that can be given to culture when it comes to discovering things that are already there. Besides, doesn't that lead to unfalsifiable claims?
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>>83485630
What leap do you think I made in any of my claims? If you study the history of humanities high cultures, the Babylonian,Egyptian,Chinese,Indian,Mesoamerican(Mayan/Aztec),Classical(Greek/Roman),Arabian and the civilizations they became, it's undeniable that the spiritual Traditions that they were ordered towards were the defining aspect of their manifestation, not some cursory or incidental tool.
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>>83484231
>A lot of his jokes aren't all factual, they are jokes at the cliche's in science culture.
They are cliches that only exists amongst sad STEM undergrads. Actual scientists don't give a shit. These cliches only exists because dumb-ass science dropouts perpetuate them and wannabe nerds think they need to act like this in order to "fit in".
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>>83485358
because WEAR YOUR GOGGLES WHILE IN THE LAB GOD DAMMIT.
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>>83482664
no
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It's not like ancients cared about their gods they named cities after them or anything
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>>83485688
Agricultural knowledge was one of the many higher ordered forms of thought instituted through spiritual Traditions.

>>83485705
Petty nihilism anon. Things are not less meaningful because they end. It's only your own understanding that lacks meaning.

>>83485728
What is it that you're claiming was already there?
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>>83485442
no I am not, many of the things that people have thought were exclusive to humans are being shown in many mammals. How am I wrong in saying that ancient cultures used logic? Chimpanzees use logic all the time when they construct tools, ancient humans are much closer to our type of thinking, thus they use logic.

Fuck me...you are an idiot or just really good at baiting
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>>83486045
You're just in denial. Meaning only exists to you, the ape. Therefore you must give your life meaning. It's pretty pathetic that anyone would need some fairy tail for that
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>>83477551
>>83477601
>>83477642

Simple. Two factors. People get famous for being smart, which gets them fame and attention when they spout off into other fields.

You see this effect when rock stars go off, the biggest difference is that nobody things they're smart to begin with.

Second is the dunning kreuger effect, which is made worse by what anon talks about here: >>83477812

Being smart means knowing the limits of your current knowledge.
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>>83486179
The ancients who's logic you're standing behind believed in the same metaphysical reality that we do. Our capacity to order society towards spiritual Tradition and craft symbolic and allegorical imagery through cultural expression is uniquely human
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>>83486045
The agricultural revolution started before organised religion came about. You're the only one here who thinks you're right
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>>83486210
No, you're just a reductionist and petty nihilist. It's only you who fails to realize his uniquely human potential to perceive the meaning inherent within the reality around you. Your atrophied and degenerating perceptions do not reflect the rest of existence
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>>83486391
That I* do, not we.

>>83486442
The agricultural revolution was spearheaded by priests and priestesses of fertility cults
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>>83486482
Keep telling yourself that then. It won't change a thing.
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>>83486542
No it wasn't, the agricultural revolution came before organised religion. Before, we were nomadic. Holy shit how do you not get this?
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>>83486482
You're just an ape pretending the concepts you and those like you have created exist outside of a human mind. If meaning was inherent, it would be universal.
Things have reasons not meaning
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>>83486045
The way plants work. No one needed any one faith to discover it, just to incorrectly explain it.
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>>83486482
you're lying to yourself. let it go.
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>>83486580
Anon, you just have a poorly developed understanding of the nature of reality. You aren't gleaning some truth that we're all ignoring because we're scared. You just have a kind of pathetic defeatist attitude.

Everything that happens has meaning, you just reject your innate capacity to understand the irrational. Meaning isn't some sentimental force meant to make you feel good, even the most horrific brutality and evil within existence has meaning. All you're asserting is that you can't reconcile your soft hearted worldview with the evil we have within us
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>>83479865

its called fermi estimatation
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>>83486609
Priests and priestesses of fertility cults are the people who brought about agricultural revolutions. You can't ignore reality because you don't like the idea od metaphysical knowledge
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>>83480143
Where's that sociopath meme at? You know, with the pic of the feels guy but without any details in his face and a giant, hollow smile
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>>83486767
>Everything that happens has meaning
*you can ascribe meaning to everything that happens.
Wanna know why? Cause it's a useful reasoning tool in social interactions, my social ape friend
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>>83486665
I'm a human being that is uniquely conscious of the reality in which I exist in through my capacity to perceive contemplative mystery in the nature of existence. It's only you who's a lower natured nihilist who can't accept that it's only you who can't understand the meaning of your existence, blaming your own failings on a faulty belief that meaning doesn't exist at all.

What an absurd assertion, that just because all meaning isn't spoon fed to the simplist of minds and universally understood even by the ignorant that it must not exist.

>>83486734
It's you who's fervently attached to a dogmatic lie
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>>83486949
What is the meaning of rain?
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>>83486909
No anon, it's just you who views all of human interaction, the entire effort of our existence and our identity has human beings to be some illusionary placebo. This is just a reflection of your own lack of fulfillment in your identity and lack of meaning. You've just simply rejected the higher metaphysical nature of your consciousness
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>>83486816
> says I'm ignoring reality

Its not me ignoring reality. There is a reason everyone is disagreeing with you

Hell, you are either an idiot or really good at baiting
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>>83476244
Fucking amazing.
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>>83486949
I am not attached to anything. I don't follow any dogma.
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>>83487019
When viewed through the lens of the contemplative nature of the human consciousness, rain can have many meanings as understood through the persons particular framework of symbolic and allegorical imagery of their particular culture. It can be a cleansing rain, a life giving force, or even an expression of a sense of dejection or melancholy
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>>83487045
There is nothing illusory about it.
It's the way your mind works because your mind is an imperfect tool. I say imperfect, but it's close to being perfect at what it's meant for.
Your mind is the only tool you have to understand, therefore what is real to it, is real (in a sense). It's just not part of the objective reality humans can glimpse at.
You assume people who think this way are in some way sad or feel inadequate but really, it's the other way around.
Things need outside , inherent, meaning to you because you feel the meaning you'd give isn't adequate
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>>83487152
The opinions of the populace at large are not inherently correct, nor is the lone voice against the crowd inherently wrong

>>83487215
You adhere to a nihilistic materialist dogma where you accept this or not
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>>83487246
literally pathetic
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>>83487372
All things are given wider meaning in relation to one another in ever expansive layers as well.
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>>83487341
then give us your source on how religion led to agriculture. The fact that agriculture only sprung up in specific areas where as religion is near universal at this time doesn't support it. Rather it supports that there were other causes for agriculture that were most likely more do due with population growth being large in these areas and climate.

You are making claims without ANY evidence
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>>83487329
Your sense of objectivity inherently rejects the metaphysical and adheres to social subjegation above all else to define you
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>>83487642
>All things are given meaning
He even admits it
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>>83486816
You're giving credit to misunderstanding. Misunderstanding is the first part of understanding, but there are infinite ways to misunderstand a singular fact.
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>>83487713
I said all things are given wider meaning in relation to one another, which means that these things must have meaning to begin with to expand upon
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>>83480492
>Islam
>boring
>linear
Islam is pretty fascinating, dude. I'm sure you've never studied it to pretend it's linear.
>>83487341
Are you a psychic now ?
I don't adhere to any dogma.
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>>83487728
What do you think my misunderstanding is?
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>>83487700
I only reject the objective metaphysical because that is a complete absurdity. I actively encourage the subjective.
It has nothing to do with social subjugation. Most people around me would shun me for these ideas
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>>83487782
>I said all things are given wider meaning in relation to one another, which means that these things must have meaning to begin with to expand upon
Explain that logical leap
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>>83487782
Unless the most basic unit of meaning is the relation between things, not the things themselves.
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>>83487782
these things must have meaning to begin with to expand upon
...why?
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>>83487673
David Scott Gehring has written several very informative papers on ancient fertility cults and their link to the basis of human understanding agriculture, among other aspects of human life such as reproduction. Each spiritual Tradition is unique in and of itself, and the unique qualities of one does not invalidate the meaning of others.

What are your claims in regards to the earliest understandings of agriculture gleaned by humanity?
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>>83487808
Yes you do, a dogma of materialism and nihilism.

>>83487849
You don't believe that the human consciousness can perceive contemplative mystery in the nature of reality and form shared symbolic and allegorical imagery through cultural expression? All symbolic meaning is metaphysical
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>>83487673
>You are making claims without ANY evidence
Anon is less so not making any claims without evidence (no one here is), but spouting grandiloquent rhetoric because something something Wittgenstein most "philosophers" are stupid.

>>83487329
>It's just not part of the objective reality humans can glimpse at.
The mind is the product of the brain and other bodily organs. Concepts are a reflection within the mind of an exterior objective material reality, albeit distorted and one-sided from the limitations of sense-perception.

>Things need outside , inherent, meaning to you because you feel the meaning you'd give isn't adequate
You need "meaning" defined from without from within because you feel the meaning derived from external reality isn't adequate. Isn't adequate in the same sense as when you look at your penis.

>>83487700
Allowing metaphysics to consume your thinking means adopting empty abstractions detached from the object in which they are supposedly reflected from, where certain essential characteristics of said object are taken in face value. See: >>83488066 where Anon here is abstracting away all other conditions which influence the development of agriculture

>>83487849
>Most people around me would shun me for these ideas
Only because they're stupid. Every moron with a creed fancies himself a rebel.

>>83488134
All "ideal" phenomena are determined by a material reality. You think that anyone who believes that such denies the metaphysical "existence" of said phenomena. That, or something else or whatever. You idealist all look alike to me.
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>>83480097
Dude religion is bad lmao
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>>83488134
>You don't believe that the human consciousness can perceive contemplative mystery in the nature of reality
It can but it's somewhat silly.
>and form shared symbolic and allegorical imagery through cultural expression?
That is not what meaning is. It's also not objective in any way. It's created expanded and shared by individuals and in no way universal.

Don't use big words. They don't make you sound smarter
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>>83487872
>>83487874
>>83487906
The origin of meaning requires one to understand that the human experience is inherently of an irrational nature, and that the attempt to understand the human experience in the context of rational, logical systems is counterintuitive. We can understand the meaning within nature because we have the innate capacity to perceive it, and an innate connection to the irrational nature of reality. The human consciousness can glean metaphysical understanding of our reality through our intuition and our transcendent connection with shared memory
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>>83467177
>When did this get more pseudo-intellectual hipster than xkcd?

When he knocked up his wife, not joking it was like inline with it
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>>83488278
>the meaning derived from external reality
doesn't exist. Meaning comes from the distortion you speak of
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>>83477098
It's called ethics you imbecile
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>>83488357
The human experience is irrational but the reality around it is rational. Meaning exists to humans but not outside of them. It is real but it is not true
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>>83488278
The physical and mechanistic functions of our body are a result of the higher functions of our metaphysical consciousness, our consciousness does not result from our physical functions. This material, mechanistic function is absurd as it assumes the meaning of a function is in and of itself the mechanistic fulfillment of said function, it wholly fails to grasp the reason as to why. It assumes that the reason our lega move is simply the changing of location, rather than understanding as a whole the reason the human being is moving. Higher natured, metaphysical concepts such as the perceptions of contemplative mystery with symbology inherently cannot be understood only as the physical functions of the brain. These physical functions are a result of our consciousnesses metaphysical understanding of the symbol as something more than its material and mechanistic meaning
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>>83477098
>essentially assert that reality isn't real
Literally Cartesian doubt.
So, for quite awhile now.
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>>83488333
It isn't silly, such forms of thought brought about the highest quality of cultural expression in art and architecture, and the highest fulfillment and understanding of the human identity in all of human history

>>83488564
Only the exterior, mechanistic functions of reality are able to be understood in terms of the rational, but this exterior nature of reality is only a small aspect of existence.
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>>83475773
You can literally shorten all his comics to a few of the first frames with the few last frames and get everything out of it without the middle "lemme talk about shit that doesn't get to the punchline"
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>>83487815
It's not your misunderstanding, it's theirs.
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>>83488569
This material, mechanistic *understanding, I meant to say.
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>>83488679
What is their misunderstanding?
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>>83488665
The interior is a part of you not of it; except you are part of it
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>>83488066
oh look a european centrist historian, who's focus is on christianity.

His credentials seem fine but this is far from his area of expertise. He is certainly not an expert in this field and most historians generally attribute the agricultural revolution to population growth and climate change.
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>>83482953
Yeah. Given the majority(!) of Kryptonian-Human hybrids would breed with Humans, not other hybrids, chances are you'd have marginally-more-powerful humans within five generations or so. It'd be neat to have ~1,000 to ~5,000 people with super vision or minor flight, but fuck, it's not like they'd be anywhere near Kryptonians

Unless you follow some of the newer canon and presume Kryptonians are the product of their nanotechnology and tethering to the planet of choice as much as their core genetics, I guess
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>>83488734
Incorrect conclusions about crops growing because of the spiritual aspect of their rituals.

It's like Jews surviving the plague because they ritualistically keep the house clean. God didn't spare them because he likes them more and they certainly didn't put hexes on the goyim.
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>>83488758
Populist thought is not inherently correct. Population growth and climate change are only exterior factors and alone are not adequate as an explanation for the essential understanding of the growth of human culture
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>>83488670
It's build up to the joke, he's here sounding all smart and shit, and then talking,then BAM he does this. It's like most jokes, you start off a bit mundane, keep going, and then puncline. Even something as simple as the knock knock, banana type joke uses it. I'm tired of this 4chan meme, in shortening jokes like that, would make it better.
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>>83488333
>It's also not objective in any way.
> It's created expanded and shared by individuals
No. People seem to forget that what constitutes the object (and in turn the objective) is defined by the object's relation to the subject (and in turn the subjective, respectively).

Cultural expression is a product of the interaction of individuals to larger 'objective' phenomena, and individual don't exist by themselves without "foreign" influence from both other individuals and said 'objective' phenomena. Culture, like you said, is not 'universal'; it is ever developing. The interaction of individuals to the 'objective' movement of culture is my example producing art is my example.

>>83488564
Oh, I see where you're coming from. I'm using 'meaning' to mean the characteristics of the 'rationality' of reality. I believe that part of 'philosophical' investigation to be how to understand the 'irrationality' (that is to say the distortions resulting from its own limitations) of sense-perception in relation to the object. Just because of our own limitations garnered from observing the object doesn't mean that what we can garner is therefore incorrect.
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>>83488867
The metaphysical alignment of their culture with the spiritual Traditions of a fertility cult most certainly did yield this effect though. A spiritual Tradition is more than it's dissected, mechanistic parts, these parts form a whole that brings about metaphysical alignment.
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>>83488918
"brevity is the soul of wit"
-Shakespeare
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>>83488892
>Populist thought is not inherently correct
no it is not, but you are picking a very unknown source from a person who is outside of their field. I don't go to a dentist if I'm sick, I go to a doctor.

Exterior factors have huge impacts the development of human civilization and culture. In many if not most cases it is the LARGEST factor. The fertile crescent developed because of the massive flood plains that brought down silt to fertilize the lands, this is where all 3 major agricultural invention areas happened, around river flood plains.

The environment had far more to do with it than religion ever did.

I'm done here, every one of the ways you try to support your point doesn't hold water when put into the larger context. You cite a european bias author because of your biased beliefs and it just doesn't hold up to even the slightest scrutiny.
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>>83489065
>Shakespeare
hack!
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>>83489143
Here's your reply
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>>83467177
>pseudo-intellectual
That joke is full on intellectual, though. It's not terribly clever in itself, but it requires certain knowledge and experience to appreciate that only people you couldn't discount from the category intellectual are likely to have.
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>>83489105
Well let's look at the oldest known city in this region called Eridu, which is found in southern Mesopotamia. This city was centered around a temple called E-Abzu which contained within it a sacred aquifer of water from which all life was said to glow forth, and that the Sumerian God Enki was said to dwell. It was from the Priests of this temple and the metaphysical knowledge they were privy to that all systems of irrigation and ordered agricultural development were instituted in Sumerian culture.

While the exterior factors you listed were a factor, they are not the definitive force that brought about the creation of the Sumerian civilization.
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>>83489065
"Brevity is... wit."
-The Simpsons
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>>83489236
It requires knowing that mathematicians hate utility, but it doesn't require knowing what diffeomorphic function construction is.
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>>83489065
Wit isn't the only form of comedy, and the fact that Shakespeare's comedies were full-length plays, many with ongoing, act-spanning jokes, he knew this.
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>>83489488

you aren't even gonna use the standard "pointing out it's a Polonius line"?
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>>83489488
>internet comic
Really?
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>>83489523
Holy shit, I completely forgot that it was. I sometimes forget Hamlet even had jokes. Top kek, Shakespeare.
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>>83489555
There's no standard which says that things on the internet have to be more brief than other works. In fact, I would say that the short attention span of internet users is a detriment to the web's potential. Imagine how more informed people would be if htey read articles and not just the titles of clickbaits to find out what's happening in the world.
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>>83489595
A lot of Shakespeares humor was pretty dark and sardonic though. It was only meant to elicit and uncomfortable laugh that one would likely feel bad about or get weird looks from others for
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>>83489065
"brevity = wit"
- S.
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>>83489673

i'm so butthurt that we have to like work and put some effort in to getting the jokes and stuff nowadays. what with changes in language and culture and etc etc
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>>83489731
Meh. There is modern comedy out there just as good. It sort of reminds me how Aristophanes is the "father of comedy" and his works are all considered great classics, and while there are some clever parodies and satire in them, like half of the jokes are about farts and dicks.
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its 2nd strip
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>>83489065
That quote is spoken by a foolish character while he delivers an extended monologue filled with advice that is often contradictory.
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>>83490041
Not to mention a character whose most defining character trait is his lack of brevity.
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I don't think anyone here is saying his comics are bad, more or less saying his format has drastically shifted in they way he has been presenting and writing them. His early works were a bit shorter and gave a good chuckle for a larger audience. His works now are primarily filled with a lot of build up that gets to nearly the same result but to a smaller base of people.
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>>83476055
I'd put Dresden Kodak just under Dobson in terms of pseudo-science. Tiny Carl Jung just triggers the fuck out of me.
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How does anybody read this autistic shit?
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>>83490224
bruh, you just don't get it. Go back to reading Garfield
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>>83485069
>>83484380
What if the kid she would've had was an Einstein tier genius, or a masterful author, or whatever? By your criteria, Stephen Hawking wouldn't have been born.
That's the thing about Eugenics, it's almost impossible to predict the effects a person will have by their genetic make up.
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>>83489845
I mean so are Shakespeare's
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>>83489065
This business is well ended.
My liege, and madam, to expostulate
What majesty should be, what duty is,
Why day is day, night night, and time is time,
Were nothing but to waste night, day and time.
Therefore, since BREVITY IS THE SOUL OF WIT,
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,
I will be brief: your noble son is mad:
Mad call I it; for, to define true madness,
What is't but to be nothing else but mad?
But let that go.

(the queen's response telling him to stop hiding the fact that he doesn't know shit behind fancy words- art)

Madam, I swear I use no art at all.
That he is mad, 'tis true: 'tis true 'tis pity;
And pity 'tis 'tis true: a foolish figure;
But farewell it, for I will use no art.
Mad let us grant him, then: and now remains
That we find out the cause of this effect,
Or rather say, the cause of this defect,
For this effect defective comes by cause:
Thus it remains, and the remainder thus. Perpend.
I have a daughter--have while she is mine--
Who, in her duty and obedience, mark,
Hath given me this: now gather, and surmise.
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>>83489315
>the silt brought by the Tigris and Euphrates to the Fertile Crescent isn't the definitive factor of the development of agriculture there
I honestly don't know anymore
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>>83488066
if each spiritual tradition is unique, how did they come up with pretty much the same agricultural systems independently of one another?
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>>83483542
Eugenics is fine in theory, but there are a few hurdles:

1) Our understanding of genetics is still pretty poor. It's very difficult to actually narrow down specifics.

2) The political difficulties. Everyone assumes when they say "some people shouldn't breed" that it applies to everyone else and not themselves.

3) The practical difficulties. How do you police such a thing? It's a massive undertaking
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>>83490246
Not really, you faggot. Go back to watching TBBT
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>>83491040
the original plan was to give tax breaks to people with college degrees for having children
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>>83490587
Yes, the House of the Sacred Aquifer and it's priests who held the knowledge of irrigation and had the vision for unified agricultural development for all the dissonant nomadic people of the surrounding lands were the definitive factor in the development of the Sumerian civilization. You're just describing the exterior description of the environment in which they realized this vision.

>>83490620
The spiritual Traditions of the high cultures of all humanity, the Babylonian,Egyptian,Chinese, Indian,Mesoamerican(Mayan/Aztec), Classical(Greek/Roman),Arabian,Westernor "European-American" cultures and the civilizations they formed into all share a transcendent unity through the shared metaphysical knowledge the human consciousness has an innate access to and is actualized through our intuitive nature.
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>>83487329
>Your mind is the only tool you have to understand, therefore what is real to it, is real (in a sense). It's just not part of the objective reality humans can glimpse at.
I myself am an atheist and a biology undergrad, but this is an extremely stupid and flawed interpretation of evolution which, unfortunately is bandied about quite often today.
The problem with this understanding is that it is self-refutating: I may be misreading what you said, so correct me if I am wrong, but I believe your argument proceeds as follows:

1. Through observation of reality, scientists have concluded that the mind is a product of evolution.
2. The mind is a product of evolutionary forces, and as such is not oriented towards truth, but rather is oriented towards what will increase it's rate of survival.
3. Due to (2) human beings are unable to access "objective" reality.

Now this seems fine, but is actually self refutating: If, as (2) and (3) assert, human beings cannot grasp objective reality, that refutes (1)--evolution, and science in general MUST REST upon the assumption that humans can access reality and truth.
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>>83491211
>Implying that won't result in a bribe-based college system
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>>83491418
>implying our current academic system isn't already bribe and contact based
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>>83491471
It's not great, but it's nowhere remotely close to China or India levels, which such a proposed incentive would do overnight.
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>>83491305
wow
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>>83489703
Please, Shakespeare invented many words. He would have invented "breviwit"
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>working on the night shift
>This thread
Holy shit wasn't this one a ride.
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>>83492004
>not brevwit
>or brevit
>or brevity
wait shit
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>>83491313
Materialism, a very broad school of philosophy, posits that the object of sense-perception is "matter". "Matter" is a monist metaphysical substance exterior to consciousness before and beyond conceptualization. Materialists believe that exterior reality exists objectively; that all that exists either is or is a product of "matter", that is to say everything is material. For example, imagine there really exists a rock, but whether or not I observe the rock being there or not, the rock is still there because objective reality exists before and beyond conceptualization. When I look at the rock, my mind constructs a mental reflection of it. Sense-perception itself is a product of matter, that is material, in that sense-perception is a product of bodily organs such as the brain and the eyes and so on. Materialism overlaps heavily with atheism, and most atheists are materialists of some sort.

The opposite of materialism is idealism. Idealism has been posited differently and how you demarcate the two is an issue within philosophy. There are many schools of idealism, but to simplify, idealism asserts the primacy of ideas or the Idea. There is 'subjective' idealism a la Berkeley, that posits that sense-perception itself is the object of sensation. That what I personally, subjectively, see is what is reality. Example would be that once I see the rock, then it is real. Then there is idealism a la Plato, which posits that objects hold an essence beyond its material self that can be uncovered through philosophical inquiry (called by Plato the Idea of a thing). Idealism overlaps heavily with spiritualism and mysticism, and most idealists are religious

That anon is denying objectivity by denying that the mind has a material basis, which has little to do with evolution through natural selection (at least for the argument). This nut is just another idealist blinded by religion

Also, it's really easy to confuse two people's arguments together when everyone is anonymous.
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>>83488569
The mind being "in control" of the body is irrelevant. Souls don't exists. The mind is a product of the brain, of the body. I cannot will my heart to stop beating, I cannot will for myself to physically control the movements of another person. If I bash my brain, if I bash your brain, we would suffer brain damage and our mind would change as a result. If I destroyed your brain, your mind would enter oblivion.

>Higher natured, metaphysical concepts such as the perceptions of contemplative mystery with symbology inherently cannot be understood only as the physical functions of the brain.
Why? Is it because your esoteric texts make you feel something. It makes you just... feeel!!! Oh the wonder of mysticism! These feelings that I just feel, they cannot be described with "physical" Because my feelings cannot accept that all that is real is a product of materiality, I resort to mystic gobbledygook to compensate for my lack of control! What is reality without MEANING!!1! I can't comprehend things as they appear to be so I have to impose a teleology upon their movement!
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>all these walls of text
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>>83494672
The soul, or as it is understood through the knowledge of the ancient Greeks, the psyche, is the seat of your being, it's literally your personality.
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>>83495228
Yes, I know that. According to the Greeks and to many spiritualists the soul and the mind are the same. What consequences of this is that is how we abstract how we think of the mind and how we abstract how we think of the soul are merged together. The mind, the product of the brain, is merged with the religious notion of the soul. This is the problem of metaphysics, as I mentioned earlier. Metaphysics often (if relied upon too much) can take for granted characteristics of a thing at face value when the often unconscious beliefs that are involved in the process of abstraction are ignored, and the definition of an object an evolve beyond the content the object is supposed to represent. Anyone who's experienced an argument where two people try to argue over something when that something they have in mind are defined differently knows what I'm talking about.
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>>83483710
To be fair, the kind of people who gravitated towards Silicon Valley were on the spectrum in the first place, so autism is a particular case.
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>>83478543
anikka albrite the pornstar with the best ass in the bussines was a biochemist before becoming a pornstar, heather brooke the deepthroat queen of the internet was also a biochemist in a lab before becoming famous for her oral skills
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>>83498256
boy

government cutbacks affect us all
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>>83485339
>Toward the end of his life Charles' fragile health deteriorated and he became increasingly hypersensitive and strange, at one point demanding that the bodies of his family be exhumed so he could look upon the corpses. He officially retired when he had a nervous breakdown caused by the amount of pressure put on him to try to pull Spain out of the economic trouble it was going through. He lived a simple life from then on, playing games and other activities. He died in Madrid on 1 November 1700, five days before his 39th birthday. The physician who practiced his autopsy stated that his body "did not contain a single drop of blood; his heart was the size of a peppercorn; his lungs corroded; his intestines rotten and gangrenous; he had a single testicle, black as coal, and his head was full of water."

I'm feeling sorry for a guy who died 300 years ago what the fuck?
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>>83495739
This isn't a problem with metaphysics, this is among the most definitive traits of metaphysics. Our consciousness is a wholeness in of itself beyond the mechanistic functions of the physical reactions that occur in the brain as a result of the actions of the metaphysical consciousness.
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>>83480658
But the second graph should the same be put on a slightly negative slant, considering every time he murders a criminal there are less criminals.
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>>83501028
I assumed he kills all the criminals, but soon another batch turn to life of crime.
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>>83498256
>>83498364
They were lab techs, which is different. Anikka would also be pretty average in a lab coat with less makeup
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>>83501028
>>83501187
The basic conceit is, Disproportionate Repsonse Man" only actually makes one or two criminals heads explode. The rest of the criminals bring cutting back on their crime out of sheer fear. Eventually, after the small amount of remaining criminals have been opporating long enough for people to realize Superman is no longer going around busting up heads, the crime rate slowly climbs again. Once it gets back up to a certain amount, DR Man reappears and explodes a few more heads, cowing the criminals for a bit again.

Part of the "joke" is that Superman can briefly be more effective and efficient with crime fighting by bringing a disproportionately violent response to a few criminals every so often, instead of fighting crime as he does now all the time. I can't think of it, but I know there's a few other things that operate on this kind of graph.
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>>83481148
The second graph most likely shows that neither significantly reduce crime, but one approach kills a lot of people.
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>>83489634
>imagine if people weren't retarded
Okay, grandpa
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>>83479157
That's not what the original you would have said.
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>>83478463
no, it's about the banking system, not free trade or whatever you're thinking
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>>83488794
Krptonians live thousands of years
He could bone millions of women at that rate would adjust the dilution to where they could use tech to adjust dna to full kryptonian. As done in many comics that dna isnt hard to fuck with.
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>>83480465
hahaha
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>>83480097
>the pattern is everywhere
That's just asking for a Loss edit.
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>>83467177
I remember reading these comics a few years ago. They were hilarious, and I can't even remember when they just switched to comic strip versions of that "R-D-R-R" pirate joke Bart's teacher makes in that one Simpsons episode where he pretends to be smart, because that's ALL these are these days. Just "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE, YOU GUYS" strip after strip.

Shit used to be funny.
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