Should 'racist' cartoons be censored / banned forever?
>>83452722
No.
>>83452722
Someone post the picture
>>83452722
nah
>>83452722
No. Anyone who isnt stupid will understand that you can expect media to leap forward a few decades and have modern sensibilities.
Stop trying to incite shitstorms on /co/ you fucking summerfag.
>>83452764
>>83452768
There it is.
Don't be angry at Yesterday for not being Tomorrow.
>>83452764
>inb4 300+ responses of anons arguing against no one
Better start the baiting and false flagging now m8s
>>83452722
It seems unnecessary
Over time they will just gather dust and fade away into the past.
Yes, they are on the wrong side of history.
>>83452722
Why? A lot of racist cartoons use sterotypes that are so hillariously outdated you'd look like a bigger idiot by trying to use them than the person you were insulting.
>>83452764
Based Warner Bros.
Disney, get off your ass and give us Song of the South.
>>83452826
Goddamn dude, I've never heard it put better than that.
>>83452764
Came here to mention this.
Great point.
>>83452722
they thought they were celebrating and enjoying the differences between people, which are hilarious. the fact that their understanding of those differences were not terribly accurate notwithstanding, it would be better if we did that shit now instead of trying to cover it up. because everyone and everything is hilarious. they werent trying to knock anyone down
>>83452722
Did you just wake up from a 50 year coma? Racist stereotypes involving blacks and gags like blackface have been censored and removed from mainstream cartoons since the '60s in the U.S. My parents were born in the '50s and even they never saw or heard of the Censored 11 or the pre-'80s Turner edited uncut Tom & Jerry shorts. The only people who probably even remember seeing this shit are in their 70s or older.
>>83452929
probably not something I'd expect nye to say, but..
>>83452722
Is it racist to show black and Asian and Spanish people?
If you censor them then those people will say there is no diversity
>>83452722
No, because there's nothing wrong with being racist.
>>83452829
I have no idea what you are trying to convey
>>83453120
>>83452914
This.
>>83453102
Liberals nowadays support segregation though.
>>83453120
(you)
>>83453080
I'm 26 and remember watching a bunch of them on a tape my great-grandmother had for me at her house. It was specifically a collection of Warner Brothers wartime cartoons. I had no idea they were banned or even considered racist until I was well into high school.
Doesn't one company (I think WB?) just put the disclaimer up and keep them the same? That's the ideal situation for DVDs/streaming. Harder for syndication though as people will turn it on in the middle.
>>83453187
yeah I should have clicked the thread first >>83452764
>>83453176
Nuts, isn't it? 50 years ago the fight was for inclusion. To be allowed to shop, work, eat, worship, and be educated at the same places, to be treated as equals without a second thought.
Now it seems the narrative has been changed to [insert minority and/or gender here] NEEDS TO BE SECLUDED FROM THE EVIL, RACIST, SLAVE-OWNING WHITES. How fucking fragile do they think these people are? That's not equality.
>>83453159
So is he a relative of Nick Wilde or..?
>>83452764
I love this. In my opinion, this is the perfect way to handle it. Bravo.
>>83453255
Most of the regressive left are just racists hiding behind the crap they spout.
>>83452764
>not making fun of niggers in the pre-cartoon disclaimer
baka
>>83453304
The mindset of "X has had it too good for too long, now it's OUR turn!" is a dangerous one indeed. It's all too easy for the oppressed to become the tyrant.
>Remove history
How about no.
>>83453282
Unlikely.
>>83452799
I think they meant this.
>>83452722
A lot of the depictions are pretty innocent. Like in Tom and Jerry Tom being owned by a pretty stereotypical southern black woman. It's not done as a mockery, but it's a stereotype.
>>83452722
I like the racists cartoons, they are funny because they are wrong.
https://youtu.be/KVYTI1tdYoA?t=24
Best scene is the skunk with the gasmask.
https://youtu.be/H8D93Awa434?t=4
>>83453421
>>83453180
This right here.
I remember watching a bunch of Merry Melodies shorts on tape when I was a kid that had some of the banned episodes.
To me, I didn't see anything racist, all I saw was a cartoon.
>>83453149
It's a well writen statement and I'm glad it exists, the image conveys satisfation/perfection
>>83453657
This
It just some fucking clichés
>>83452722Niggers
>>83453180
>>83453657
>>83453718
Well obviously nothing is racist without context
>smartass bunny with new york accent vs short, stupid black guy
>"depiction of racial prejudices"
>smartass bunny with new york accent vs short, fat, bald, stupid white guy with a speech impediment
>timeless classic
You think maybe 100 years from now the "All white dads are morons" trope is considered offensive because caucasians are a minority?
>>83452764
This is a perfectly decent way to deal with this.
You can preserve these things as historical documents.
>>83453431
Reminder that when Cartoon Network started re-airing the old T&J shorts early this year, they took out any and all cartoons featuring Mammy Two-Shoes or similar characters.
![hqdefault[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KpA6xeB.jpg "hqdefault[2].jpg")
Who's behind that disguise.
>>83453431
That's like not airing certain episodes of a modern cartoon because there's a black person dressed like a thug in an episode. It was kind of a common sight in those times, wasn't it?
>>83453804
Probably not. Even if whites become a minority, I can't see us not enjoying stereotypes.
>>83453882
That kind of makes sense to me. You can't really do something like >>83452764 when you are showing reruns. Scrolling the text at the bottom of the screen at least doesn't have the same effect and you'd need it going the whole time so that if someone turns it on in the middle of an episode they don't get #triggered.
>>83453804
You really don't see how a "lazy, droopy eyed, big lipped, brain dead coon caricature who is defeated because it is literally impossible for him to avoid a game of dice" might be a bit more loaded than "guy who talks funny"? Especially in the context of the Jim Crowe era South where those exact stereotypical depictions of black people were used to disenfranchise and subjugate them?
>>83452722
Fuck conservatism.
>>83452764
Has anyone here ever seen a tumblrina tell a white guy to "own" his privilege, or something like that?
Funnily enough, this image is a good example of what that actually means.
>>83454171
Fuck you.
>>83453120
>>83454400
No fuck you leatherman
>>83454171
Wouldn't liberalism demand tolerance for racist cartoons?
>>83452764
Funny you post this shit, because they're the same who, after releasing the first Tom & Jerry Gold edition vol 1 with this same disclaimer, went and removed two shorts from the next volume because of exactly this. They are faggots.
>>83454512
Which shorts?
>>83453937
A wolf.
>>83453937
>This was a disney Cartoon
>>83454546
Mouse Cleaning and Casanova Cat
>>83453937
Are you implying that wolves are actually behind this whole Jew thing?
>>83454630
I always thought it was edgy teenage crossposters from /tv/
>>83454630
Yes,Reptoids my ass.
>>83454601
oy vey
>>83453102
Oh don't play dumb. There's a way to potray minorities without making them caricatures.
>>83454630
No, I'm saying a wolf is LITERALLY behind that disguise, wearing it to try and trick the pigs into opening the door so he can eat them.
It could be a stereotypical cowboy costume and it'd still be a wolf behind it.
>>83454749
So you're saying the wolves were behind the Wild West?
>>83452914
>>83452764
>Based Warner Bros
they banned the General Lee for being racist
>>83454801
No, I'm saying you're a retard for reading that far into it.
>>83454493
Yes
>>83452722
Fun fact: The black hunter was identified on the model sheet as "Tex's Coon".
I tried finding that model sheet but got nothing.
>>83452722
>>83452722
I watched this Bugs Bunny cartoon on your pic OP, and there are really nothing wrong on.
it's more stereotypical than really racist with bad intentions.
that black hunter was treated like every bugs bunny enemies.
>>83454862
What animal is that? Are you saying it's behind harnesses?
I do love me some So White.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNVEeYUxyfs
Asians according to Family Guy and South Park: Impatient jerk, sounds like he's angry all the time, super racist, mega sexist, ultra materialistic, can't drive a car
Why is this acceptable? Are Asians so "privileged" that they can still be made fun of?
>>83455313
>Why is this acceptable? Are Asians so "privileged" that they can still be made fun of?
Why are you asking why it's ok and then asking why it isn't?
>>83452722
I'm not an SJW so no
>>83453255
Leftists are not interested in equality.
>>83455279
That's a genuinely entertaining cartoon.
>>83455313
wut
>>83452722
Nah. Handle the bantz, famalam.
>>83455313
>Why is this acceptable? Are Asians so "privileged" that they can still be made fun of?
According to SJW's yes until it's convenient to say otherwise.
>>83452722
>Should we erase our history instead of learning with mistakes to make sure it never happens again?
Sure, great idea.
>>83455020
Yes, Capybaras are known schemers.
>>83453120
I get that this was probably what you were looking for, but whether deliberate trolling or an actual advocate of historical censorship, sincerely, please, go fuck yourself.
>>83455601
>>83455313
All "privileged" means is "group of people who haven't destroyed their own society"
>>83452764
I mean good for showing them but putting what amounts to a fucking trigger warning at the beginning is the pussiest move imaginable short of just banning them.
>>83455845
As new literate
>We never burned right
>>83452764
>this is the correct way to think about this thing we didn't create and simply hold the rights to, God forbid you could just watch it and come to your own conclusions as a reasonable individual
Good on them for not actively suppressing historical documents but this is still kinda lame
>>83452764
First post best post
>>83455984
I agree with him. They went for the lesser of two huge pussy moves.
>>83452764
Perfect
>>83454702
Then you'll be accused of writing them as if they were white.
>>83455313
The only races to liberals that is 110% of the time underprivileged is blacks and native Americans/abos. Every other race is more or less a white oppressor when libstinks see fit or not. Asians are generally top tier minorities when living out of their home countries, and a decent amount of Asian countries live in first world standards and are doing really well, so they're pretty much always getting shit on because they're "too white" to these racists.
>>83452722
Censored? No. But they should definitely be contextualized so we can better understand its place in history. You know, have Morgan Freeman explain that it was a different time. That would be nice.
>>83453431
>A lot of the depictions are pretty innocent. Like in Tom and Jerry Tom being owned by a pretty stereotypical southern black woman. It's not done as a mockery, but it's a stereotype.
My grandma was basically that black lady and she fucking loved Tom and Jerry. The episode where the lady goes to her friends house and Tom has a huge party, the Zoot suit, and the one where Tom sings "Is You Is or Is You Ain't My Baby" were her favorites.
>>83452914
They waited too long. If they'd released it in the 90's along with their old WW2 propaganda and WBs Censored Eleven they probably could have got away with it. At this point Were better off watching it online.DISCLAIMER: It is actually boring as sin.
>>83452764
I absolutely love this
>>83455313
They're very slowly starting to visibly fight back. Not that they haven't before, but at least a dozen times in the past 6 months alone I've seen Asian-American actors make scathing statements about their status in Hollywood.
>>83456809
Well it reminds me of the Nigger thing in Huck Finn. Twain actually hated racism and the reason he said Nigger so damn much was to show how out of control and bad shit really was.
You can't expect people to learn from history if you don't show them history. You can't just say this is bad and leave it at that you have to actually show people what it was like.
>>83455695
Source on this?
You have to have really shitty self-esteem to get offended by this.
>>83457225
I can't decide if the fact that there exists a censored edition of the book makes me want to laugh or cry.
>>83457309
I wanna read it. I hope all the N-bombs are replaced with "knucklehead". That would make my day.
>>83457292
I'm not entirely sure what you are trying to convey.
>>83457292
Wow, what an autist
>>83455845
It could be worse. For one of their DVD collections they started every disc with a disclaimer by Whoopi Goldberg. They got enough shit for that that they switched to the text message instead. (They also got shit for releasing some Tom & Jerry cartoons with Mammy's voice redubbed, and had to do replacement discs.)
As for the text disclaimer, it's fine. As long as we get to see the uncut cartoons I don't care what they put in front of them to cover their asses. I just wish they'd found a way to put out the cartoons that were banned from TV in the '60s, like Coal Black and De Sebben Dwarfs (which is a masterpiece).
>>83457380
Nope, they replaced all 200+ utterances of it withslave.Ho hum.
>>83457309
I just die a little more every time I think about it
>>83457292
>>83453154
>>83453177
>All these bait.jpg edits
>There isn't actually any bait on the hook
That's some meta-tier bait. 2/10, got me rustled enough to reply.
>>83455313
Family guy, south park, American dad and the Cleveland show made fun of black people before
>>83457180
What does that have to do with harmless stereotype jokes that they do to other races as well? Remember what happened with Colbert?
>>83457292
>>83457609
>American dad
American Dad has even more fun with Asian stereotypes. Francine's parents are fucking hilarious.
And then there's Stan's half brother.
>>83452764
It's not ideal but it's realistically the best solution
>>83452722
I can't remember if the cartoon in the op image was auctualy racist or not
>>83452764
>>83454934
I think this says it best.
>>83453080
I remember seeing the old racist cartoons in the 1970s on my local television station when I was a child, including the old Tom and Jerry cartoons with the stereotypical black woman, and the old WWII WB Propaganda cartoons which not only stereotyped the Japanese and Germans, but even referred to the Japanese as "Japs", a term considered racist today.
Even though stereotyping black people fell out of favor in the 1960s, all the way up until the 1980s Germans, and Asians were still heavily stereotyped. I agree with the two original posts/disclaimers by WB.
>>83458049
I mean, any depiction of a black person as childlike, superstitious, and stuttering and with that dark-skinned, huge-lipped, ape-like appearance is considered pretty racist these days.
>>83458228
So drawing black people as whites with darker skin is the solution?
muh racism, fuck you SJW
>>83452764
I was gonna post this but knew before I even clicked the thread that it'd be the first response. The perfect way to handle it, really.
>>83458228
But the negroid face does have lips like that
>>83458256
Or you could try drawing them like actual people. This stuff is not difficult.
>>83458463
>actual people
>>83452893
Being that I'm from a Jewish family, my mother and her second husband get all bent out of shape any time I watch South Park or Family Guy episodes when Jews are featured. I try to convince them that these stereotypes are so over exaggerated, that they were meant to be laughed at by intelligent people who obviously know better, and that Alex Borstein is not only the voice of Lois Griffin, she's one of the main writers for Family Gut, but, being that they're old commies from the 1960s, they refuse to listen to reason, and lecture me on how this is how Hitler came to power, which is not true, since history shows that Hitler didn't have a sense of humor to begin with.
>>83452764
>Wrong then
But that's wrong
>>83458625
No its wong
>>83458508
Or you could be edgy on 4chan.
>>83457833
They're pretty nuanced with race. I recall Roger coming off as someone who seems to not like black people, but lusts after some of them like Tay Diggs.
>>83457833
Even Toshi is hilarious when they introduced the rest of the family as complete english speakers
>>83455999
>not smoking them right then and there
also, fucking straw man logic
>>83456181
>>83455845
>trigger warnings
You people do realize that the "viewer discretion is advised" warnings predate Tumblr by a whole fucking lot... right?
So White desperately needs more quality fan art.
Consider this: In another 70 years, many of the cartoons being made today will be considered insensitive.
>>83458997
To whom?
>>83459041
The 4th and 5th generation of feminists and pseudo hippies will find something to complain about.
>>83458997
>Consider this: In another 70 years, many of the cartoons being made today will be considered insensitive.
And the music we listen to will be considered lame.
And people will be wearing crazy styles of clothes.
And we'll be 20 years away from cold fusion.
And people will be bitching about impatient kids and their "entitled, quick fix, gotta have it now" attitudes.
And somebody will be fighting over religion.
It's the circle of life.
>>83453882
Mammy has been considered un-PC since at least the '60s though.
They've tried redubbing her a few times (in the '60s they made her Irish) but a lot of these cartoons don't have separate music and voice tracks so they're hard to dub.
>>83459191
I love the original Mammy. And I'm black.
Her voice sounds just like how a lot of black women talked back then (and in fact many still talk that way!). I never got the big deal about her.
>>83459282
There's nothing really wrong with her, she's in the TV Tropes category of "fair for its day."
But starting in the '60s everybody got really sensitive about these things, to the point that directors actually wrote to the NAACP asking them if there would be protests over showing black people as servants in a movie about the 1890s (this actually happened).
There's a sense that *any* appearance of a black person in an old movie is a reminder of the racist past. It swallows up a lot of innocent stuff.
>>83459282
Yeah. There's lots of offensive shit in cartoonss, but I never felt like Mammy was one of them. She was in charge. She was the boss. She was in a position of power and her being the way she was was never played as some sort of flaw/inferiority.
When she yelled at Jasper/Thomas, you knew he was in trouble.
>>83459096
But nearly everything has been covered, and it's not like cartoons regularly mock the few possible social trends left (like, say, polygamy). I really don't think anything we produce today in cartoons will be seen as badly in the future as fucking sambo and mammy caricatures are today.
>>83459377
It's really dumb. I think the modern 'white-washed' Mammy voice is even more offensive than the old one.
>>83452764
And stuff like this is why I respect Warner
>>83459282
Mammy was a character common in minstrel shows, just like Sambo, so it became a symbol of oppression for many blacks by the time of the civil rights movement.
If anything, we'll probably move forward to the point where it's not that offensive to black people in the future.
this is weird but I can swear I saw Nips the Nips on TV once
>>83459539
They absolutely used to show it on Cable in the '80s.
>>83459568
oh good, so I didn't dream that up!
how weird that they were still showing it
>>83459504
I also think the name "Mammy" gives her a bad rap even though that name is (I think?) never actually used in the cartoons.
It's like the DUMBO crows aren't really very racist but the internet has publicized the fact that one of the crows is named "Jim Crow," which you wouldn't know from watching the movie.
>>83459539
Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips was not one of the "Censored 11." It didn't get banned from TV until the new round of political correctness that started in the '80s.
A lot of black stereotypes were shamed out of U.S. pop culture much earlier than other stereotypes, so you would still get Mickey Rooney as a Japanese guy in 1961, a time when no studio would have dared to paint his face black and make him a black guy. Stereotype Lag, I guess.
>>83457233
>Lao Yang and Eddy both work for a company called CREC (Chinese Railway Engineering Company). They have just set up camp near the remote mining town of Kolwezi in the Katanga province of the RDC. The goal of the company is to redo the road - covering 300km - that connects Kolwezi with the capital of the province Lubumbashi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M
>>83459522
>>83459599
I don't know how to describe it, but yeah a lot of these kids wouldn't know they're racist because they lack the context to see them as racist. Most kids wouldn't know to link Mammy or the crows as commentaries or stereotypes of black people because they have no knowledge of said stereotypes.
>>83457233
It's a Chinese documentary on modern Africa. It was made because Chinese companies over the last decade have been investing heavily in Africa in exchange for exclusive resource rights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0C4_88ub_M
>>83459703
Exactly. It reminds me of a recent news story where a local newscaster described Lady Ga Ga's music as "jigaboo music". She was a millennial and had no idea jigaboo was a racial slur because it's fallen out of usage. She just thought it was a word she made up on the spot. Needless to say a lot of black people raised hell about it anyway.
Hell no. Who the fuck cares? They're cartoons.
I saw Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips when I was in like elementary/early middle school (don't remember how) and didn't start bombing Japs.In fact, I became a weeb.
>>83456809
I'd have preferred Morgan over Whoopi.
>>83459843
Yeah, it doesn't exactly work well as anti-Japanese propaganda anymore when the war's been over for decades.
Make any person watch it now and they'll think it's ridiculous and racist, not realizing the point was to make US citizens hate Japan and make them buy war bonds.
OP, why the hell is racist in quotations? Alot of those cartoons were pretty blatant in their racism.
It has to be posted again. WB will not censor their old racist shorts because they will not lie about history. It happened, that was a period of US history. WB doesn't condone it any more.
>>83452914
>same as claiming these prejudices never existed
Why would Disney ever own up to their past mistakes when they could easily wave their thick wallet and go "what mistakes?"
It's amazing to think that these cartoons were 100% aimed squarely at the average adult back in the day. It seems like such a foreign concept now. Even the stuff on Adult Swim is aimed a very specific young demographic (young college kids).
>>83459977
I think they were for everybody. It's just that people were way less sensitive.
>>83459797
Do you remember the song?
Because I'm willing to humor that it was coincidence if the music doesn't seem black enough.
>>83456809
>>83459880
FUCK YOU ITS BECAUSE OF YOU I GOT WHOOPI IN MY STUPID DVD SERIES AND I CANT SKIP HER.
Just do what OP pic has.
I don't even care about eh forward in fantagraph comics where they poopoo mickey comics in the 30s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WO3DuU6pj8
Remember when TBS and TNT use to air Looney Tunes on a daily basis - including shit like "Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips"?
>>83460050
Just rip the DVDs to individual files and consume your media that way. No more Whoopi.
>>83460069
The early days of Cable, when most of the content was old shit. As somebody who does love old shit, I do miss those days.
>>83452764
WB>Disney
>>83459797
The most recent use of "jigaboo" I've heard was in "Police Academy" from 1984.
>>83460128
I wonder if "weaboo" is derived from jigaboo.
>>83460128
Most recent use for me was here
>>83453421
For the longest time I thought the Sonic edit of this was the actual source.
>>83460128
Off topic but the mafia being referred to only as the"syndicate" in 70s television was interesting. Wonder if it was that mafia run Italian American relations committee that put pressure on the jews in hollywood.
>>83453080
>. The only people who probably even remember seeing this shit are in their 70s or older.
Bullshit. While a lot of these became banned/stopped being shown in the states, they were still running uncensored on tv and being sold on VHS in many European countries.
>>83460242
I shouldn't be laughing this hard.
>>83460242
I love how Superman was like "I'm a fucking alien, you're all the same to me."
>>83457088
Yeah, it's really only worth it for the animated segments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmWoNohhXBE
>>83459703
Where was my flag of South Park again
>>83460565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d02eaGpIGME
>I'm the nigger man, watch me dance!
I love this movie. The idiots who accused it of racism somehow didn't understand what it was about at all.
>>83452914
>>83457088
Reminder that James Baskett (Uncle Remus) was barred from both the all-white premiere screening of "Song of the South" in his native Georgia and the all-white Academy Awards where "Song of the South" was a nominee.
>>83460565
>this was once considered controversial
>>83460742
Rev. Al Sharpton (iirc) said this in regards to Coonskin (even though he didn't even see the film) - "I don't have to SEE shit to SMELL shit!" or something among those lines
>>83460565
>>83460742
Fritz the Cat was also pretty alright in this regard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKFuBOuxUgk
It feels good to know that political correctness has been retarded since the 60's.
>I had no idea you people were so civilized!
>>83459797
I call bullshit. No millennial hasn't seen White Chicks.
>>83460878
>I don't have to SEE shit to SMELL shit!
His mouth was too close to his nose.
>>83460919
>Tumblr poc 'appreciation' in a nutshell.
>>83460987
Every time you think there's no hope in humanity, just remember that this shit has been happening for way longer than you think.
>>83460956
I was born in 1986 and never watched White Chicks.
If you watched that movie you should be ashamed of yourself for willingly exposing one's self to such garbage.
>>83460160
It's from a PBF comic if I recall correctly. The word was meaningless at the time, 4chan adopted it.
>>83458554
Lol so your Jew parents only care when they make fun of Jews? What unselfish, caring people.
>>83460742
>>83460919
Weren't these like one of the few animated movies to have actual black voice actors?
>>83454608
I know for a fact that Cartoon Network used to air those along with other Tom and Jerry shorts back in the early 2000's. Pretty sure I have a VHS recording of Mouse Cleaning somewhere.
Mouse Cleaning is a short about Tom having to keep the house clean while the maid owner is out running errands. The only thing in that cartoon that anyone could find offensive is a brief gag near the end where Tom looks like a black man after having a mountain of coal dumped on top of him.
Other Tom and Jerrys with similar gags were left intact on the first blu-ray set. What the fuck was WB's damage with that particular short? Seriously.
>>83455279
Coal Black is some of the funniest shit ever made. And a black person came up with the idea for it.
>>83461025
I'm sorry I forgot not everyone likes fun.
How about you calm down by reading the F section of a dictionary?
>>83458554
>current year
>willingly watching Family Gore
costanza.jpg
>>83452722
> should we re-write history to make ourselves feel better about the mistakes of the past which we had no physical part in causing
ishygddt
>>83460301
>>83454512
Fuggin source?
>>83461121
I think so, yeah.
By the way, this is unrelated but what the fuck is the deal with that "Calling Out Facists Online" Youtube account? Will he ever stop posting? Reminds me of that forced Berta Lovejoy shit.
>>83452764
How is always SHOULD be.
>>83461121
It was one of the few movies to even have black people working on it as animators.
>>83461126
>a brief gag near the end where Tom looks like a black man after having a mountain of coal dumped on top of him.
The version I've seen on CN (before they nuked all the Mammy Two-Shoes shorts) deleted the part where Tom goes "No, m'am...I ain't seen no cat, no place, no how..." like Stephen Fechit.
You can still see the ending with Tom in blackface, just not with that line of dialogue.
>>83452764
This really is perfect. I'm glad they did this.
>>83459522
>Mammy was a character common in minstrel shows, just like Sambo, so it became a symbol of oppression for many blacks by the time of the civil rights movement.
But Tom and Jerry black lady wasn't a servant or maid. She was just an old lady in her own house... Wasn't she?
>>83460242
So what *was* his answer?
>>83461245
http://tvshowsondvd.com/news/Tom-Jerry-Golden-Collection-Volume-2/18039
>>83461245
Google Tom and Jerry Golden Collection Volume 2.
>Supposed to collect every short in chronological order, the first US release to ever do this
>When the list of shorts for the second volume were posted online, those two were missing
>HUGE SHITSTORM broke out. People started spamming one star reviews on Amazon
>WB decides to delay the blu-ray
>That was three years ago, no word since, definitely been cancelled
>All because Amazon was retarded enough to let people spam reviews for something that hadn't been released yet
>>83461266
>>83461310
Knowing all this I don't understand how anybody could consider these movies racist when they pushed black empowerment further than any other animated movies. Makes no sense to me.
It's like nobody wants to acknowledge that this was what it was like to be black in that time.
>>83460814
That's terrible. Reminds me of a similar situation of the woman who played many.
>>83452722
Sure, if you're into revisionist history.
>>83455845
kill yourself
>>83461477
>>83461486
That does sound stupid, but maybe a different team worked on these and thought that was a good idea.
Idk, you're right to be mad, and I probably know less about this than you do, but I don't think it was everyone's intention at Warner.
>>83461382
>Mammy(formerly in the southern United States) a black nursemaid or nanny in charge of white children.
Apart from her name, it also takes place at a time where black people were servants or had very low paid jobs such as cleaning and house ladies. She wears maiden/cleaning lady clothes that look ragged compared to the house's interior.
But I thought she owned it too when I was a kid.
>>83452722
No they should be released in special collections intended purely for collectors and education purposes with commentary and bonus features talking about the history and context of the work
>>83461463
Probably along the lines of "I wasn't even thinking of asking you before, but now that you turned yourself black to ask me to marry you, I'm convinced you're so crazy my penis is never going anywhere near you again"
>dat jewelry
>>83455845
>muh trigger
get off of /pol/ or /v/ for half a day and remember that some regular people can take offense to harsh language unless they are told beforehand about it,
Putting a warning about the content inside is not only regular back in the day, but is seen everywhere today, you probably don't notice because you skip or ignore the signs and symbols that denote them
>>83456181
Its less "don't come to your own conclusion" and more "this may hold content you may find disturbing"
>>83456282
>exposed nipple
MODS
>>83461603
They were just being incompetent. Cancelling the release altogether instead of just putting those two damn shorts on it.
What probably happened was that they got worried some soccer mom was going to buy it and then send in complaints about it but Mouse Cleaning is no more offensive than some of the shorts from the first volume that were left unedited so I don't fucking know.
>>83461133
>Wayans
>fun
White Chicks was made in the 2000s, not the 90s back when the only good one was actually relevant. Then again you underageb&ers wouldn't remember that.
I bet you eat shit with a smile since you obviously have no sense of taste.
>>83461768
lel free the nipple
Memes aside, I honestly don't get nipple censorship
>>83461794
>>83461879
B-but muh blue board! Think of the children on this 18+ board!
>>83456282
...okay, what and why?
>>83462003
Is it really that weird?
>>83461931
lel
>>83462052
Give me the fucking sauce already.
>>83452764
>>83455279
We fucking need a Coal Black re-release. Sexiest animated girl ever.
no. Fine if you don't want looney tunes blackface on tv but put this stuff in the dvd collections.
>>83456282
sauce?
>>83462117
Is it ANYWHERE in good resolution? The only copy I've ever been able to find looks like it comes from a thrice-copied VHS.
>>83454512
Actually I've noticed they have started to ease up on Tom and Jerry. Im an immature faggot so when I wake up early for work or on an off day watch some cartoons. Maybe some anime, maybe some of those old WB/T&J cartoons that still air early on CN still airs. I noticed some of the old Blackface gags have been sneaking their way back in. One that I recall is in Manhattan Mouse. There is a scene where Jerry falls into a shoe polish bottle and comes out in full Blackface. Normally it would be removed but I like Zapruder, I FUCKING SAW IT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHx-HbJz1-E
>>83462166
B-but how will we protect people from their own emotions?!
>>83453421
it's only racist if you want it to be kids see bugs with black on his face they don't understand why they don't see it as racist all they literally see is bugs wearing black makeup for some reason
>>83453503
Its amazing that this is what started the whole. "All Asians speak like retarded Elmer Fudds where they replace the L with the R."
>>83455845
Fuck off.
>crtl+f
>no "Scrub Me Mama with a Boogie Beat"
C'mon guys...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXJ6-BEG6wo
>>83462656
Asian native speakers have a VERY hard time distinguishing between l and r sounds in a spoken sentence, That's not something racist cartoons made up.
>>83462785
Jesus Christ so much of that is cringe-worthy in hindsight but the animation and music are fantastic.
>>83462971
All stereotypes have at least some basis in reality. They've gotta start somewhere.
>>83463074
I hate this line.
No shit it started somewhere, but even if the stereotype never existed to anyone but you, you would find it because literally all stereotypes happen all the time to EVERYONE. The only exception is if it was cultural.
>>83458931
I never complained it was a "trigger warning" I complained it was needless patronizing editorializing regarding creative works that might as well have been created in ancient Greece for all the connection they have to anyone currently working at WB. My understanding is that this plays before cartoons on DVDs you've bought to watch yourself (presumably), it's not like it's a broadcast warning or anything
>>83461759
Again, it's not a broadcast warning, I don't have anything against broadcast warnings. Honestly, even on a DVD that's the only way most of this material can be legally viewed if it was just ass-covering "this content contains racial stereotypes that may be offensive to some viewers" boilerplate I wouldn't even really mind it, but it's not, it's "not only are we not evil racists, we're heroes for not engaging in censorship. Also don't worry, we're not some nutty libertarian free speech absolutists, we have good, liberal reasons for not censoring this because obviously not censoring is something that demands explanation - we're trying to show how wrong racism was." I'd even accept that if it was written by the 95 year old animator or whatever but it's from some corporate flunky who doesn't need to justify any of this because they didn't make it and it implies a level of ownership over it that I find distasteful; what these dorks think about some nearly 80 year old cartoons should be completely irrelevant to whether or not they are available to the public
>>83457088
I'm pretty sure we had a VHS of that, but I never watched it
>>83462656
>>83462971
There is no "L" or "R" in the Japanese the closest they have a consonant that sounds like "RL". No "V" either, with "B" being the closest thing.
This is why in Japanese <-> English translations, B's and V's and L's and R's often get swapped.
Just like how English speakers sound funny when they speak a language that has sounds that don't regularly occur in the english language, like glottal stops, the German "ch", or the aforementioned "RL" sound in Japanese.
>>83456282
Seriously, what the hell is this?
>>83456282
>filename
>>83455279
>>83455419
>>83461126
>>83462117
Bob Clampett on "Coal Black"
>In 1942, during the height of anti-Japanese sentiment during World War II, I was approached in Hollywood by the cast of an all-black musical off-broadway production called "Jump For Joy" while they were doing some special performances in Los Angeles. They asked me why there weren't any Warner's cartoons with black characters and I didn't have any good answer for that question. So we sat down together and came up with a parody of Disney's "Snow White" and "Coal Black" was the result. They did all the voices for that cartoon, even though Mel Blanc's contract with Warners gave him sole voice credit for all Warners cartoons by then. There was nothing racist or disrespectful toward blacks intended in that film at all, nor in "Tin Pan Alley Cats" which is just a parody of jazz piano great Fats Waller, who was always hamming into the camera during his musical films. Everybody, including blacks had a good time when these cartoons first came out. All the controversy about these two cartoons has developed in later years merely because of changing attitudes toward black civil rights that have happened since then.
