This is a storytime of all three parts of Marvel's "Civil War II": #0, the FCBD Special, and #1. I'm gonna try something a bit different with the latter two entries, so stay tuned if you want.
Please argue about the quality of the book in the thread itself. I enjoy a good shitstorm.
>>83446215
So what are they fighting about this time?
>>83446241
Foreign trade disputes or the refugee crisis; I forget exactly.
>>83446241
Minority Report
>>83446241
Black Lives Matter
And now, the main event.
Well, the main event book, at least.
>>83446240
I guess this guy wouldn't have been convicted using a Minority report style justice system. Past records and reputation wouldn't matter, only what actually happened (or was going to happen)
>>83446760
Wait, they're BOTH former alcoholics.
>>83446400
So he didn't get revived before this right? This is just bendis saying "fuck continuity or explaining shit"
>>83446890
That's our Bendis!
Now for the part that I said would be different.
>>83446947
>in this he gets the vision in front of everyone
>in civil war it happens at night
How do you fuck up your own continuity
And now to finish off "Civil War II" #1.
>>83447033
So... why did he bother with the guns he took off the Shiiar he murdered with his hands alone?
>>83446813
If the whole events ends up just being him accidentally projecting a possible scenario into their minds this will be my last marvel event for the foreseeable future
>>83447121
>everyone else is blasting the shit out of him
>bp decides to run up and scratch him a little with his kitty claws
"I'M HELPING!"
And that's the end of that.
I apologize for subjecting you to "Civil War II", but I couldn't resist plugging the FCBD Special into its proper place in Issue #1's narrative and see how it turns out.
Goodbye.
>>83446330
ok thats not how presidency works bendis, but ok.
>>83447002
Any chance this is a clue that the Inhumans are trying to manipulate things? Or did bendis just fuck up by having him have the vision in attilan is issue 1
>>83447208
The fuck?
Her biology is "strong green human."
With healing powers.
>>83447330
Wow, what an absolute waste of a last page.
>>83447033
Be careful! He's got a gun!
>>83447343
i think he's saying that he'll throw the weight of the party behind rhodey.
>>83447049
>I will kill you this day!
Maybe in the future don't try to write Thanos, Brian
>>83447343
>expecting Bendis to know how anything works
Next you'll tell me they weren't using smartpones in the UK 20 years ago, or that Cambridge isn't actually inside London
>>83447330
I hope you get aids.
>>83447458
Your curse is not severe enoughI hope OP steps on a d4
>>83447284
Tony is being such a baby here. I do like the implication that he feels guilty over not upgrading Rhodey's suit
>>83446874
>Peter flanked by 3 redheads
It's his dream come true
>>83447514
>3 redheads
I think you mean 2.
>>83446465
>She will never say "Hi, Greg" and wave to the reader, revealing a flight deck crewman named land in the following panel waving back for no reason
>>83447330
Thanks OP. I hadn't read the FCBD issue yet.
I mean it was pointless and added nothing, but I'm glad I was able to read it
Oh my goodness, there is something stupid on almost every page.
>>83447501
You're a real sick fucker, you know that?
>>83446452
wait hold on, isnt maia hill being charged on war crimes due to standoff? or is this before captain hydra
>>83446297
>United States Marines
>In Airforce uniform
I don't even...
>>83446982
Uh... Wait...
How long were Carol and Warmachine dating? I haven't been keeping up with Marvel too much but this is pretty damn new to me.
>>83447793
They've been 'dating' on off for a few years, but its only something mentioned in passing in like 2 or 3 Captain Marvel issues.
Its half assed because they don't want their strong womenz focused on a man but they did like the idea I guess.
>>83447534
Eh redheads and an orange head? Same difference
Jesus that was terrible. So forced...
>>83447284
>I told you!
>I told you this would happen!
>I told you.
NO YOU DIDN'T: >>83446905 >>83446918
All you did was bring up the Minority Report analogy (badly). Where exactly did you say "if we listen to Ulysses a hero will die on a mission he went on based on the intel he provided"?
You should have waited a couple of issues for Carol's group to do something actually morally ambigous to pull the "I told you so" card. Listening to Ulysses and stopping Thanos was thr right call, nay the only call. What would Tony have done if the intel had come from someone other than a precog? Would he fly off to take out the informant too?
>>83447793
>>83447854
I'd say that it's half-assed as a means of giving some additional weight to Rhodey being killed.
In /a/, it's called a death flag. They may as well have had Rhodey pull out a picture of Carol, wistfully looking down upon it, and smiling just before going into battle.
>>83447033
A. FUCKING. GUN.
>>83447033
>>83447381
>>83448244
>>83447033
this is the the only group they could get damn Carol has no pull
>>83447088
How did that missile even shoot he has a button on his shoulder?
>>83447088
>rocket to the tits.
Holy fuck. What a pathetic way to die, especially when it's obvious she should've tanked it without a problem, but well, >Bendis.
>She-Hulk not knowing the law
>the president acting like he can just pick the next one
>Doc Samson alive with no explanation or understanding of when he died
>pretty much anyone could have served his role in the story
>Bendis Speak
>Thanos with guns
>Thanos and a Celestial as disposable villains
>the alcoholics casually talk about getting drinks
>the X-Men and Inhumans are cool with each other because "it's a party"
>Jean continues to casually violate EVERYONE'S privacy and nobody cares
>the Minority Report ripoff plot makes no sense, since he only seems to detect massive threats and there's no harm in preparing for them
>like, Rhodey and Shulk die, but what if Thanos had gotten to just run around with his guns for weeks?
>"Thank goodness for the Inhumans, everyone's new favorite team!"
>Monica and Blue Marvel do fuckall during the fight
>Rhodey's missles can be triggered by throwing shit at him
>they're powerful enough to kill She-Hulk
>She-Hulk's healing factor forgets it exists
>She-Hulk's dying words are basically "Let this escalate like retarded babies."
>pointless finla page or Iron Man flying away
Oh my God, it's actually lazier than the first one.
>>83448491
Or quickly healed from it.
Or Monica could have turned into gamma radiation, entered Jen's body, and sent her healing and other powers into overdrive.
Or brought in that black healer mutant, he's still alive, right?
>>83448272
>>83448041
Seriously, how did no one working on this not notice that? Are they that inept? Do they just not care?
>>83446241
Ironman thinks they shouldn't put their own lives in danger by facing super villains.
>>83447243
That page only misses Kamala bopping him with giant hands.
No seriously, what other C-listers could have brought in? Typeface? Puck?
>>83447916
And both of those redheads are sluts...
>>83447916
>and an orange head?
Crystal is blonde, moron.
>>83448692
Look, this book already has Thanos carrying guns and War Machine carrying an anti-Thanos missile that somehow manages to kill She-Hulk or put her into a coma.
Can someone explain to me Tony's reasoning. Guy who possibly has visions of the future, who was right once and saved a lot of lives, says Thanos is coming are they just supposed to ignore him. I just don't understand what Tony would do. They want him to be the voice of reason in this but his reasoning does not make sense.
>>83447265
You know, it's extremely funny that Tony says this, considering the fact that he actually did MUCH worse in the original Civil War to another hero.
He fucking got Goliath killed by his pet Thor. He has some nerve to say any of this shit and fly off the goddamn handle. At least Warmachine got killed fighting a villain that he's supposed to fight in order to save the day. Goliath's death was totally and completely senseless.
>>83448801
Maybe it's just a well-written episode of someone going out of their mind with grief and guilt and just looking for anyone to shift blame on, no matter how irrational
>>83448867
And Goliath is still dead. Tony took a boy's father away from him and he barely even remembers.
>>83448801
I took Tony's point as this is a completely unknown guy so we shouldn't give him total trust yet.
I have no idea what he was yelling at Carol about unless I head canon that he's just super upset and not thinking clearly
>>83448867
>>83448902
and he couldn't get a proper burial. Motherfucker was wrapped in a tarp and chains
>>83447320
And the last thing Maria told her was that people don't change and shouldn't have second chances.
Fuck.
>>83448877
But every other character is acting like he's right by sitting there and taking it instead of telling him to fuck off.
>>83448942
I imagine Reed could have easily shrunk him, but her was busy maintaining his Cyber Thor Murder Clone
>>83448995
Didn't they have Pym on their team? Why didn't Pym shrink him?
>>83449012
Skrull
>>83446905
>using The Hulk as an example of stopping a cataclysmic event before it happens
THEM WHY DID YOU SUPPORT SHOOTING HULK INTO SPACE?
>>83449012
Because that'd be erasing his identity as a giant person. Why should they conform to YOUR societal norms?
>>83446982
"THE INUHMANS"...sorry Marvel, but they will never became the new X-Men.
>>83449052
>skrulls can't pull a trigger
>>83446215
>>83446297
>Warning and threathening them in English only
>In a non-anglophone country
>Even when they obviously don't know the language
Useful
>>83449196
Missing some bingo spaces
>Gratuitous "epic" battle page with every single fucker from the current universe meta on the page
>a shitton of superheroes just standing around in a room arguing.
>>83449262
Latverians are smart and well-educated people.
>>83449196
What was the reference to the old Civil War?
>>83448867
He doesn't remember it though, he was mind wiped to before civil war
>>83449336
This >>83446861
>I'm not getting into a morality debate with YOU, Steve
>Those never end well for us
>>83449196
We got the Scarlet Witch one >>83446773 and the relaunch is confirmed
>>83446934
>>83447002
These 2 scenes contradict each other, yet were written by the same person.
Bravo.
>>83446297
Why is Team America: World Police threatening being a thug?
What happened to Latveria?
>>83448917
I get that but Thano's showed up. If the kid said Thanos will show up at point A and they are waiting at point A then he pops up at Point B and caught them unprepared (which is what they should have done), I can see his point, they put to much faith in an unknown. But he Said he would show up at point A he showed up at Point A they prepared and stopped him with only 2 casualtys kind of low for a Thano's fight.The other alternative was ignore him,Thanos shows up and murdereds a ton of innocent people.
>>83449483
Not even the first time that same person wrote something contradicting his own work in a short amount of time.
>>83449445
Maybe it wasn't a Civil War reference maybe its because hes Hydra
>>83449445
To be fair, Civil War wasn't the first time Tony and Steve had a morality debate escalate into violence and it wasn't the last
>>83449483
>>83449755
Don't forget Steve Rogers finding out about Osborn's attack on Asgard 3 times during Siege.
>>83449894
>>83449869
>>83449755
>>83449483
does Bendis not take notes? does he just shit out one draft and turn it in and then go write his other 4 books?
I find it frustrating and honestly.......insulting. Bendis doesn't even care enough to check current continuity OR HIS OWN WORK. meanwhile we have writers like Ewing referencing decade-old continuity seamlessly, throwing in nods to even older stuff, and going around cleaning up after Bendis successfully.
Ewing (and many other writers) care enough to connect the dots and make sure everything makes sense. Bendis is an arrogant shit who does not. Why does he still have a job? Is he amazing at sucking dick or something?
>>83447224
Are you BUYING this shit?
>>83448272
heh
>>83446506
Do they ever show what happened to Michelle after this?
>>83449894
>Don't forget Steve Rogers finding out about Osborn's attack on Asgard 3 times during Siege.
He had just come back from being unstuck in time. Maybe it took a while to re-stick himself?
>>83450522
Moved to the Attilan and is getting the dick from Triton
>>83447320
>>83450214
Bendis got lazy and egotistic. I mean Bendis isn't wrong, but his stories aren't good enough to justify shitting on continuity.
>>83450522
Nope.
Maybe Ewing will touch down on the subject.
At this point the only possible good things to come out of this shit show is gonna be stuff written by writers other than Bendis.
>>83448692
>Do they just not care?
Give anon a cigar!
>>83450214
It's one thing when he doesn't bother to look at other people's work, which happens. A lot of writers do that. But I think it's a problem when it's his own work that he can't remember.
Or worse, why didn't editors even bother to point it out? Did he just make too many mistakes and one slipped by?
>>83450649
>Bendis: "In my mind, continuity means the best writer at a company is held hostage by the worst"
He's not wrong. But I think he's confused about which person he is in this analogy.
>>83448917
Tony is being almost as dumb as Cap in Secret Hickvengers. "NO WE CAN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT BLOWING UP A PLANET, IT'S BETTER TO LET TWO UNIVERSES DIE THAN GET OUR HANDS DIRTY!!!"
>>83447320
>>83447175
Why kill off BOTH Jen and Rhodey?
Wouldn't one have been sufficient to piss off Tony?
>>83450826
Jen dieing is probably a fake-out. I bet she'll be revealed still alive by the end of the event.
Rhodey is 100% dead though.
>>83450214
>Why does he still have a job?
Sales.
>>83450856
Jen pulling a resurrection would be nice. But Rhodey dying still sucks.
>>83450693
>Or worse, why didn't editors even bother to point it out?
Bendis doesn't listen to editors. There was a Iron Man issue where they have smart phones and use the term Googling in the 90s.
Any editor could have point out that was wrong.
>>83450856
Didn't they already kill off Rhodey recently? Or did a female villain just strip him naked and destroy his suit?
>>83450908
The second one.
>>83450908
>Didn't they already kill off Rhodey recently? Or did a female villain just strip him naked and destroy his suit?
The latter. And it was in a Bendis book, too.
>>83450901
He also thought that Cambridge was in London in that issue. He then tried to claim that Tony's dorm is in London but goes to Cambridge University, but that's even dumber.
>>83449527
Whole place went to shit after Doom got his face fixed and bailed since he no longer needed latveria to stroke his own ego.
>>83450693
Maybe he does that thing where you give your editors a super fucked up version of the script first so that the real one doesn't seem so bad in comparison.
>>83449284
But anon, how will we fit 5 blocks dedicated to /pol/ shit when we go around wasting spaces on comic-related blocks.
>>83450214
He probably is friends with the rght people and doesn't care to write superhero stuff for a living. It's the same old story.
Meanwhile, people like me and other are jobless in our own profesional areas.
>>83450931
Geeze, why does Bendis hate Rhodey so much?
>>83450964
That's retarded, Doom always needs as much as possible to stroke his own ego.
>>83446616
Who's the knockoff Human Torch?
>>83447033
>relying on all these literally whos to take down fucking Thanos wihtout telling anyone else
>'I would do it exactly the same again'
Carol is a retard
>>83451070
Anon... Human Torch is banging Medusa now...
Becomes comicbooks are shitter with their relationship drama than daytime soap operas.
>>83446694
How did Quicksilver get up there?
>>83451070
>Who's the knockoff Human Torch?
You mean the actual Johnny Storm on the right, or the fire-powered nuHuman in the back left? I think he's Inferno or something.
>>83451092
You're kind of casual if you don't recognise three quarters of that group.
Spectrum is the other Captain Marvel, the non-kree related one, and she's highpowered.
And are you saying you don't know who She-Hulk, Human Torch, Black Panther and Dazzler are?
Medusa and Crystal are Inhumans and thus b-list but they are still not that hard to recognize
Also Blue Marvel is another shitty Marvel superman knockoff but he's also a cosmic powerhouse.
>>83448510
>She-Hulk not knowing the law
Her boobs win her legal cases.
>they're powerful enough to kill She-Hulk
I can see Stark making weapons strong to kill hulks.
>She-Hulk's healing factor forgets it exists
She'll get better. She's died before.
>She-Hulk's dying words are basically "Let this escalate like retarded babies."
Hulks have little to no self control. Of course she'll say something inflammatory.
>>83451107
Probably is now having threesomes in daily basis with Medusa and Crystal given the last developments in inhuman books, btw the next causality should be Torch...
>>83451196
I know who they are, my point is they're still not the powerful A-listers you would expect when taking on Thanos fully prepared. Like why wouldn't you tell Tony what you were planning?
>>83446838
>like a macbook
good bless spidey
>>83451261
Tony isn't Thanos-tier either really.
>>83448510
>the X-Men and Inhumans are cool with each other because "it's a party"
They don't appear to hate each other, Bobby even saved an Inhuman in the last arc and they didn't help Cyclops attack Attilan. The only Mutants shown to hate Inhumans are Cyclops, magneto, and rogue and I imagine that still takes a backseat to the planet being destroyed.
>>83451261
She had the Ultimates there, they're the go-to for threats like Thanos. And they took him down pretty easily, all things considered.
>>83451261
>I don't know them so they don't count
So was it the chat with Hill or rocket to the tits that magically changed Jen's mind?
>>83446905
>Jean has no mouth and she must scream
>>83447002
Maybe he faked it? They didn't show his eyes going black and red, so maybe the Inhumans told him to fake it in front of them instead of just straight up saying the vision from the night he had it?
Probably not
I wasn't aware Rhodes was a child
>>83451563
Her mind wasn't changed. Carol just misinterpreted Jen's words. She assumed Jen was talking about Tony but she meant Ulysses.
>>83451692
Eh, you get a no-prize anyways.
>>83451261
Tony doesn't bring up that point though. He doesn't care about not being called, he's just pissed off because Carol dared to act on intel from someone he doesn't like, so he's off to go kidnap that kid even though blaming him for Rhodey's death is stupid.
>>83451508
Yeah, no shit. They beat his ass like a rented mule, but he got a couple of good shots in (killing Rhodey and Jen in the process).
Still, this writing is fucking awful. Civil War was bad enough with the Iron Man/Cap politics bullshit, now we're doing Minority Report? God damn it, they really need better writers.
>>83447243
Now you know what it's like being Batman on the Justice League.
>>83449341
Doesn't excuse his behavior.
If anything having his mind wiped as a result of the first Civil War should be an indication that he shouldn't be starting another one.
inb4 "He didn't wipe his mind because of the Civil War."
No but he did wipe it to remove all knowledge of the Superhero Registration data that he knew to keep it away from Osborn.
>>83451261
>why wouldn't you tell Tony what you were planning?
why would you?
>>83451859
They have better writers, they just keep giving all of the important stuff to Bendis and he can't write his way out of a paper bag.
>>83447284
Who's Tony referring to?
>>83451793
That's kinda what I was hoping.
But, y'know, it's Benis.
Bendis-Thanos is just a generic brute, what the fuck? Hackman's Thanos wasn't all that great, but at least it felt like Thanos. This was just Thanos playing an Apocalypse-tier jobber.
>>83451225
Really? Is this sarcasm or...?
>>83452359
Rhodey, who else could he be talking about?
Still dumb that he's blaming Ulysses' for Rhodey's death.
>>83452918
Really, why IS he blaming Uly? The guy told them truthfully that he saw Thanos attacking the lab, they moved to stop him from stealing the cosmic cube that was stored there.
This was all necessary actions and in no part were any of the heroes tricked or misinformed to the circumstances.
What is Tony even planning to do? Its been foreshadowed he's got a new stealth armor ready but what then, how is sneaking into the Inhumans house and kidnapping the guy going to help anyone? I mean for fucks sake where is Tony planning on keeping Uly after he kidnaps him, or is he just planning to repulsor their brains out while screaming his best friend's name
>>83452918
I meant when carol said, "so would-" and Tony cut her off, as if she was going to say something that prompted his reaction about not saying the name
>>83453165
Because the plot required a catalyst. Unfortunately, Bendis failed at presenting a situation where Ulysses was actually in the wrong or that could be interpreted as moraly ambigous or Minority Report-like.
If Rhodey had died on a mission to arrest someone for something he hadn't done yet or something, then Tony would have a point. But this was Thanos attacking the Earth.
>>83451261
I keep saying this in other threads: Blue Marvel and Monica as a duo could handle Thanos. BM is Sentry-level and Monica can go OP with her light powers.
>>83453482
Yeah, Blue Marvel and the Sentry are equally terrible and both shouldn't be in the Marvel universe.
>>83446797
They are both imagining this like Digby Chicken Caesar.
>>83446787
"So...how many cats has Agatha Harkness eaten?"
>>83446787
>>83446905
Why is Spider-Man even there? He isn't on any team.
>>83453767
Spidey is a rich man now, Money Talks.
>>83447088
Rhodey was distracted by Medusa's sexy ass.
>>83449196
Marvel now 2.0 all new all different marvel now!
>>83450901
Does that even matter, though?
In ten years that issue will "actually" take place in 2005. Tony created the Iron Man armor after that 90s issue during World War II. The timeline is all kinds of fucked anyway.
>>83447088
Literally death by titty-fuck.
>>83454028
And that's the kind of lazy thinking behind everything Bendis has written for the better part of a decade.
>>83447088
>Medusa's ass killed She Hulk and Rhodey
>>83454113
It is an Inhuman WMD. She should have to register that ass.
>>83451225
bendis plz go
>>83454146
Well, I think I should supervise the registering of such a magnific--dangerous ass...thoroughly.
>>83447300
You know, I'm okay with this if it was "you used this guy without telling anyone or asking for help amd now you've gotten people killed."
Like, play up the "nuh uh, my team" angle you've been showing with the inherent mistrust like that. Don't just play minority report.
>>83454099
It just amazes me that Marvel fans can accept thirty-year-old Peter Parker having a high school classmate who fought in Vietnam, and then complain about continuity errors.
>>83446694
why bother drawing steve and shulk with a jetpack when half those characters can't even fly and just float in mid air
>>83446905
>"Do we stop the Hulk before he does something we don't like?"
TONY YOU SHOT BANNER INTO SPACE YOU GIANT ASSHAT, SHUT THE FUCK UP
>>83449012
To make it look like Tony felt responsibility for the death as he bought all the funeral plots for Bill, despite the fact that Tony sicked his crazy fake God on him in the first place.
>>83454268
Sadly, that's not the case, Tony is pissed off that Ulysses was used as a source of intel at all. If it had been up to him, Thanos would have attacked Project Pegasus and nobody would have gone to face him until much later, by which point there would have been a lot of deaths.
>>83451032
He has to push his shitty OC
>Nrama: Following up on that, you know as well as I do how conversations on the internet go. It’s only a matter of time before someone asks why the first confirmed casualty of Civil War II was a black man. Can you address the decision making behind killing off War Machine?
>Brevoort: In terms of Rhodey, we were not unaware that killing Rhodey meant we’d have a story where an African American character dies, which is something that happens prevalently in our medium. That’s a conversation that we had. In our particular retreat where we talked about this, Ta’Nehisi Coates was in the retreat for the first time. He heard all of this, and afterwards, he sent a long missive to myself and Axel, which we forwarded to Brian and we all spoke about, in terms of what he thought the reaction would be and what the ramifications would be, that we had to consider that from all sides. And we have.
>But the thing that makes Rhodey the only choice to be that character is that Rhodey is the one player who has a specific relationship with Tony, and a specific relationship with Carol. He stands firmly in favor of “predictive justice”, and chooses to act on Ulysses’ visions. Even though it costs him his life, it’s a choice he would make again, given the opportunity. His death serves to galvanize them in both of their trajectories in the way the death of any other character just wouldn’t. It was not necessarily a popular choice, knowing we’d get that response – and justifiably so. It seems like it’s always the black hero who dies in these kind of stories. But at least in this instance I feel like we stand on decent ground saying if there had to be a death, it should be Rhodey because of his relationship with the characters, not because of the color of his skin or his lack of prominence in the Marvel Universe.
TNC told them it was a stupid idea and they said whatever and went with it. Amazing
http://www.newsarama.com/29536-civil-war-ii-1-not-a-simple-smash-em-up-spoilers.html
people who don't follow Marvel like this event. that triggers me.
>>83446616
Wow, the discount X-Men are here!
>>83454965
What triggers me is that most people don't seem to realize that Tony blaming Ulysses for Rhodey's death makes no fucking sense. None of the reviews I've read mention this.
>>83455054
that triggers me too, though it seems he's blaming Carol more than Rhodey.
Tony was right.
>>83454965
Where have you seen people liking this event so far?
Or are you talking about the first Civil War event
>>83446773
So I guess Marvel is just going to ignore how Carol is a recovering alcoholic now?
>>83454781
Finally I can post this again
>>83455631
Nope. The events of this issue do nothing to validate Tony, he's letting the death of rhodey cloud his judgement, so he's blaming the precog even though it's not his fault.
Once Carol starts doing bad things, then you can argue Tony was right, but not yet.
>>83455693
Kek no wonder he looked like he didn't want to be there
>>83455704
So does Carol not remember like a month ago when she was shown how they are in a sliding time line and that it's constantly changing. IMO she's already fucking up, they just got lucky so far that nothing changed. I mean she literally just saw that shit with her own eyes.
>>83455835
Ults 7 is answers this, and is also a direct prequel to the FCBD issue. So here's that.
>>83446947
>>83455908
>>83455925
>>83455908
>is answers this
Good job, me.
Putting Thanos in the same room as this guy is a great idea, and I can't see how it could go wrong.
>>83454781
I think it's more like TNC told them "black Twitter will be mad" and they were like "we don't care." Which they probably don't. And probably shouldn't.
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