So while Civil War II may have high preorders on the Diamond chart for June, how well is it selling in stores?
I know four tweets are hardly indicative of a trend but I find them deeply satisfying anyway
>>83435996
I mean we've said it before but in the end they probably won't matter. At the very least damage will be done by Preorders being successful.
>>83435953
>there are actually stores that are not run by drones
Feeling good man
>>83435953
>Benis wild ride is ending
Thank god
Civil War II wasn't really as hyped as I expected it to be considering it was literally accompanying the Civil War movie
>>83436222
Most retailers don't like Marvel because Marvel treats them like shit.
But I know there's a good chunk of company war faggots running stores too.
>>83435953
Mahvel really needs a kick to the dick and hopefully just write good comics instead of pissing people off and EVENT RELAUNCH EVENT RELAUNCH EVENT etc etc.
Ewing alone can't save them especially since Spencer went to the dark side and THE BENDIS shitting on everything from atop his tower.
>>83436388
>But I know there's a good chunk of company war faggots running stores too
One of my local shops put Rebirth just on the shelf with other releases, but Stand Off, Civil War II, and Captain America: Steve Rogers all have their own display by the checkout counter. The guy who runs it is nice and it's a well kept shop, but he just really doesn't like DC comics. Last time I was in I heard him just going off about how he hates The Atom
>>83436606
Of all characters, why the Atom?
>>83436533
>Ewing saving Marvel
>Falling for the Kekwing meme
I know this is /co/mblr but come on, you can make better b8 than that
>>83435953
>Literally 24 variants
>One of them 1000: 1
Expect more than half of those "Sales" to be in the bargain box in a few months
>>83435953
>Green Arrow outsold Civil War II
Are we entering a golden age where good comics outsell cash grab shit?
>>83437731
Which cover is 1000:1?
>>83436606
>Open a business where you don't push a company that will bring you almost twice as much business
Why? Why do this? I don't like 90% of the shit I sell people
>>83436606
>TFW Atom's storyline was the one that got me the most hype in Rebirth
>>83437754
No idea. Probably that hip hop shite
>>83436606
>how he hates The Atom
Dude is literally Z-lister.
>>83437784
Yeah, Atom hanging out with and going on adventures with his legacy is great.Choi in Legend of Tomorrow when?
>>83437754
#0 was this piece of shit, playing very poorly on the cover of Amazing Spider-Man 121.
>>83435953
/co/ what have you preordered recently?
>>83437694
he's a continuity fag in a land of "fuck continuity"
>>83437839
Jesus that is fucking garbage.
>>83437839
Well, the season ended so we know who dies.
>>83437850
I'm adding Green Arrow to my pull tomorrow. God damn I did not expect that to be as good as it was
>>83437839
Marvel can burn in hell
>>83437780
Marvel books have outsold DC books, outside of a month or two here and there, for 30+ years. He's putting the items most likely to sell in the place the most people will see them -- next to the checkout counter where everyone has to buy their books.
Basic business.
>>83437880
Yeah that's Greg Land for you. The worst part is it completely misses the dynamic format, colors, and posing from the cover it's based on.
>>83437839
AoS seriously couldn't get anyone besides Land to do that?
>>83437919
>that photorealistic uncanny valley look
I was wondering, is Mike Deodato another tracer?
>>83437923
>AoS
The agents themselves? They edit comics?
>>83437916
>Basic business.
Yeah if this was just any other month. But it's not, It's an 80 page books for $2.99. This isn't "Basic business" it's retardation
>>83437919
>thwip
>snap
>>83437940
The people behind the show...
>>83437916
It's only recently that the gap became so big. If DC books just vanished and the people buying them didn't move on to other books every LCS would collapse
>>83435953
Who'd have thought a sequel to one of the worst event series to ever come from the company would have little interest? I for one am shocked and appalled that people would be disinterested in a book that contains brand new minority and female character versions of classic heroes, launched from a new reboot that has completely failed to garner interest.
What an odd thing.
>>83437970
The producers of the show are also comic editors? First I've heard of it.
What I'm getting at is the makers of the show probably had nothing to do with that cover.
>>83438002
Considering it was made for the show I'd say they had a hand in it.
>>83437983
>Who'd have thought a sequel to one of the best-selling event series to ever come from the company would have little interest?
Don't forget that Civil War is selling well in trades.
>>83437983
Despite being a shit show Civil War has been popular as fuck for years now. It's the only Marvel event the casual fanbase knows so they flock to it and recommend it to everyone, like Hush for Batman.
>>83437983
>one of the worst event series to ever come from the company
You and I may understand how bad Civil War 1 is, but that doesn't change the fact that Civil War 1 is one of Marvel's all-time best sellers.
>>83438042
That AoS cover is a variant for Civil War 2. The show's producers don't have an hand involved in it.
>>83438092
What else do casuals buy?
>>83438132
Bendis books.
>>83435953
I'm happy to see it if GA really outsold Marvel's latest event bullshit.
>>83438132
Deadpool / Gwenpool
Vision
Moon Knight
Bendis
Geoff Johns
Batman
Wolverine
Matt Fraction
Guardians of the Galaxy (bendis basically)
Movieshitter tomes (AoU)
>>83437839
Look at all those tracings of literally whos and Agent Movie Guy.
>>83437919
>dynamic
Land didn't stand a chance.
>>83438230
You're right, it doesn't even have Melinda May.
>>83438167
The thing is that like OP said, on Diamond charts, you'll only see preorders. So most likely Civil War II will still be #1 on that chart because of all the variants and shit retailers may have to order.
>>83438300
I am interested to see which sold more though between Civil War II 1 and Rebirth
>>83438330
Green Arrow Rebirth sold 90k copies, I think Rebirth will be the clear winner especially with that price.
>>83438423
>>83438330
If it doesn't then it's a clear sign that there is something fundamentally wrong with this industry
>>83438330
Rebirth was out in May though. Now the other stuff like Batman Rebirth or GA Rebirth or Superman Rebirth, that's for June. Civil War II is out in June, so maybe there's a slim chance it might get beat by Batman Rebirth in terms of preorders.
>>83438543
I know but we can still compare them. Batman with variants would have a chance but it wont beat it now
>>83437839
took me a second
fucking atrocious
>>83437839
This looks traced as fuck.
Like, I know it's Greg Land, but it looks extremely traced even for him.
>>83435953
>all of this public handwringing and praising comics doing poorly
B-but they hate Marvel so they're based!!!
This is fucking childish, it's inexcusable.
>>83437850
Nothing. Just have a sub for Gold Digger and that's it now.
>>83439236
>B-But guys, if you don't buy and eat the shit, you can't get more shit to buy and eat!
Another
>@TheBigBang_
>Hum... Pre-orders for CIVIL WAR II are... not great so far. BATMAN REBIRTH #1 at nearly 3 times the pre-order numbers.
>DC UNIVERSE REBIRTH #1. We ordered so high on this. Like, hey, this will last us for two months high. OPTIMISTICALLY high, you know?
>DC UNIVERSE REBIRTH #1 sold 97% of its order in the first week. The demand for it was ridiculous. We shipped copies to France and Spain.
They'll tweet about this weeks sales in the next few days as well.
>>83436533
Somebody really needs to grow some balls at Marvel and tell Bendis what an absolute piece of shit he is. I mean the guy hasn't been a decent writer in years
>>83436288
It's far too late. It's almost 2 months after Civil War was in theaters, the hype has already died down. If they wanted that audience they would've had the event on the exact month of release.
Plus, at this point moviegoers want nothing to do with the comics anyway. The past decade has been nothing but controversial stunts, from Who to Nazi Cap. At this point, they're just going to stick to movies, since they know the MCU is not going to pull stupid shit. True, Nazi Cap started a bunch of rage, but don't expect that to actually translate to sales.
>>83438464
The industry is sick no matter which one of the big 2 can claim the monthly victory
>>83440624
>tell your future EiC he's a shit writer
>get fired
sounds like a plan dude
>>83437784
For me it was Blue Beetle. Jaime being Jaime again, Ted being a giant dork, and Doctor Fucking Fate.
Can't wait for the issue to come out in a couple weeks.
>>83440624
They did release the first issue the month the movie came out
>>83435953
I hope this is widespread and not just anecdotal shit only happening in a few stores. It'll make me so happy if sales on subsequent issues tank and the idea of the event comic tanks with it.
>>83437839
>no hips or ass
>>83438078
You can buy the entirety of Civil War and all its tie-ins in a mega trade for $500!
>>83437933
No, he just fucks around too much with Poser.
>>83440043
I asked my retailer yesterday if he still has the Rebirth one-shot, and he laughed at me.
(I already have it, I was just curious how it did.)
>>83435953
>mfw #3 or #4 comes around and it's below 100k
No more events
>>83436533
It's really sad with Spencer because he absolutely can be a great writer (The Fix is my favorite ongoing at the moment) but he's so caught up in politics that like most anti-Trump/Democrats over the last few months he's going more and more insane as he realizes that the guy he hates may actually win and it's just leaking through into his comic work.
>>83436533
>EVENT RELAUNCH EVENT RELAUNCH EVENT etc etc.
Well, they already annouunced the next three events after civil war: Age of Apocalypse, Death of X and Dead No More. Seeing as they all look like Inhumas shilling, X-Man hating and The Clone Saga 2.0, be prepared for a new Dark Age of Marvel comics.
>>83437850
From Marvel? Vision.
I'll also buy the Moon Knight trade for the art when it comes out.
I was thinking about following Black Widow, but dropped it with #2.
where were you when DC killed Marvel?
>>83436533
But muh movies
>>83444765
Don't forget Eternity War (coming out alongside Infinity War movie) and Trial of Maria Hill!
>>83435953
>Green Arrow outselling a Marvel event author the most expensive advertising campaign a comic ever got
based
As someone who was actually REALLY excited for Secret Wars and a possible content diverse, as opposed to identity diverse, relaunch, I'm done with Marvel. I had some (idiotic) thin sliver of hope that we'd see an ANAD that mirrored the breadth of the Secret Wars tie-ins, instead of just "it's just more NOW!"
I'll be reading Darth Vader until it ends, and then I will, for the first time in 15 years of comicbook buying, not have a single Marvel title on my pull list.
>>83436533
Bendis? The writer?
>>83439236
Mouseketeer please
Marvel deserves to burn.
>>83435953
When will the May sales be released?
The hits just keep on coming.
>>83437819
That hurts and is untrue. Meanie.
>>83443875
Dam Son
>>83447661
Now I'm really glad DC decided to release Rebirth at this time.
Honest question: why does Marvel even make comics? Stan Lee has been trying to make them a movie company since, what, the late 70s?
They obviously don't care about the market; They've crashed it once, and they're still doing the exact same things. There's no soul or artistry in their books. They're just a factory for movie tie-ins.
>>83447598
Maybe another two weeks for the full thing, top 10 next week?
>tfw Marvel cucked itself by promoting Captain America with its stupid controversy and letting Civil War II kinda limply flop into shelves
>>83444816
But for real how worried do you think marvel might be?
>Rebirth titles are getting second printings not even a week after they came out
>GA is confirmed to have 90k on like one or two variants
>DCU Rebirth is on its third printing a little over a week after it came out
>next week's Rebirth oneshots are getting reordered in high numbers
>CW2 isn't get much of a response even with high preorders
>all the teasers they're putting out are getting a bunch of "meh"s as a response
>people are angry enough over Hydra Cap to accuse them of antisemitism and to send death threats
>people were mostly just annoyed by the 3 Jokers and Watchmen things and thought DC was selling out at worst
Marvel just isn't getting very much positive attention at all, and even things they're trying to hype seem to just be falling flat with most people.
>>83448151
You're trying way too hard to fit in.
>You will leave to see the death of Marvel
Disney doesn't need the comic books, just the IPs
I can see things being great again in the future.
>>83448213
>GA is confirmed to have 90k on like one or two variants
one variant and I believe it was free rather than an incentive cover so it's likely not a huge boost
>>83448151
The current editors are idiots and they have lost a lot of talent. Waid/Ewing can't do it all and Spencer has went full SJW hilbot.
If gets too bad, Disney will do a big takeover like they are about to start doing with ESPN.
And when they do, not going to be good for several writers/editors.
>>83435953
I hope the sales are bad enough to lower bendis' position in Marvel.
>>83448281
Yeah that's what I meant
Marvel's been putting books out with like 4 variants minimum and upwards to way past 20, but here comes GA with one regular variant probably close to making the top 10.
As much as they want to yell "We're doing a seasonal model", I think its telling they're going back to "Marvel NOW" branding instead of the post Secret Wars ANAD one.
Wasn't NOW way more successful sales wise? Feels like they're trying to skate around the fact that this recent reboot isn't what they were expecting, because better believe, if it were working they wouldn't be so quick to change it.
>>83448234
They'll definitely keep the Star Wars comics. I can see them slicing that part off of Marvel and rolling them into the Lucasfilm division.
We could also see them farming out the IPs to other comics studios, like they do with games. We just saw them shred their games division for underperforming. They did the same to Junction Point back when they had it- they brought in a ton of talent like Warren Specter, then cut the company off after a rushed title underperformed.
>>83448379
i mean if it's that case why not go even further back
>>83448379
Yeah ANAD on sales comparison is doing worse all around. BP looks like a hit but 90% of books are doing worse overall.
Didn't this shit happen during Nu52 launch. With nu52 launching the same time Marvel was having some event for Ultimate Marvel titles.
Everything except for spider-man sold like shit.
>>83448461
Yep. Nu52 not only sucked but cost us Hickman's Ultimates and Spencers UXM arc.
>>83448284
Whats going on with ESPN?
>>83448357
One FREE variant.
Whereas books like Black Panther get their sales inflated by being tied to FIFTEEN variants of Star Wars books, or Civil War launching with a whopping TWENTY FUCKING FIVE. Marvel makes you buy ridiculous amounts of comics just to get ahold of variants for collectors, just like in the 90s.
For as much as Marvelfriends get to trot around their sales numbers, I'm really glad DC isn't touching that mess. They're better off not playing chicken with a company that have nothing to lose by self-destructing since the Mouse will keep them propped up no matter what. And if New52 taught them anything its that fucking with things for movie pitches like Marvel is like cutting your own throat.
>>83448600
>25 variants
jesus christ
>>83448461
Yep
>Convergence sold like shit so retailers didn't get a lot of DCYou stuff
>it was all b-z listers so it probably would've sold bad anyway
>Secret Wars fucking mowed it all down
Kinda happened last year too except with DC on the losing side
>>83448521
Hemorrhaging money.
>>83448284
>If gets too bad, Disney will do a big takeover like they are about to start doing with ESPN.
Marvel Comics doesn't produce enough revenue to actually be worth a shit, unlike ESPN. If something catastrophic on the level of 90s Marvel happened, it's more likely they shutter it since publishing is a dying market anyway. The important thing for them is that they have the IPs to produce movies, shows and merchandise.
>>83448521
>Whats going on with ESPN?
Ratings and subscriber rates are down by a lot.
>>83448600
Yeah as much as I hate the 1:5000 stuff they pulled with DKIII and the incentive variants that DC does sometimes with other books, I'm glad that they don't make retailers buy books just to get a cover of a different book. That really is unfair to them and not easily as ignored as buying a bunch of the same book to get a cover of the book
>>83438132
>Casuals
>>83438185
>Vison
>Moon Knight
The fuck are you on about?
>>83448439
I've seen some retailers saying they expect BP to hit 40k real soon, that they had awful miserable sell-through on #2.
>>83448699
They will do a takeover first then shut it down if they feel they can't salvage.
A lot of things they could do production wise and also to stop toxic storyline happening to properties they possess for movies(see Nazi cap)
>>83437694
he's one of the best Judge Dredd writers, not read any of his marel shit tho
Is there truly any chance for Marvel closing down? I think they are shit, but that would be too much
>>83437919
was it gwen?
>>83448839
No
Anyway if marvel went down, comics as a whole would collapse. The big two are both needed
>>83448907
What makes you think that?
That's like saying you'd die if you removed an intestinal parasite.
>all these people thinking Marvel will suddenly collapse and lose their huge marketshare all in a couple of months
Please stop the delusion, /co/
>>83448520
>cost us Hickman's Ultimates and Spencers UXM arc.
And nothing of value was lost.
>>83449013
isn't icv2 another comics blog like The Mary Sue?
You know, the kind Marvel pays?
>>83437819
He's lead of a TV show so no
>>83449100
Yeah and one of the ones fanboying about ANAD before it came out and was utter shit overall content and salewise.
Marvel's Nu52.
>>83449100
I don't know, I got the image here.
Doesn't make what I said less true.
>>83449139
>ANAD is Marvel's Nu52
Well that's even worse because at least the DC New 52 had good sales for a year or two before sales dropped like a stone for everything except Batman and maybe Harley Quinn.
>>83449139
At least New 52 had some good books, even if it was an ill-conceived disaster that never should have happened.
ANAD was even dumber.
>>83449013
Do you really enjoy the high dollar point, cheap events, and constant relaunches? They can't keep getting away with this. It's just poor business practices from a consumer perspective. No one would care if they were "winning" with good output.
>>83448971
LCSes need them both DC and Marvel to survive, and if most of them suddenly went out of business then other comics would not be purchased enough by Diamond to be given to retailers.
And the thing is even if diamond and LCSes got wiped out, Warner and Disney would still make sure they maintain their trademarks somehow, and comics are a cheap and easy way for them to do it.
So even marvel died, it probably would be for a short amount of time until big daddy let them do it again.
So really you'd probably just be killing all the other small publishers.
>>83449175
>/tv/ doesn't know anything about comics or comics culture
>just regurgitates shitposts pre-packaged to defend Disney
We don't call you Mouseketeers for nothing.
>>83440624
I dont understand why Marvel thinks people want the comics to be like the movies. Why would people buy comics at $4 each to read stories they already saw in live action?
>>83446814
I just want them to wrap up Silver Surfer so I can never give them a dollar again
>>83449208
>inb4 "b...but Marvel is a business, and it's a GOOD thing that they are shitting on me, the customer!"
>>83448971
Marvel a counts for a majority of comic book sales, for better or worse. If Marvel were to disappear tomorrow, comic stores would likely go out of business within a year.
>>83448644
The DCYou books had trade wait written all over them
>>83449208
>Do you really enjoy the high dollar point, cheap events, and constant relaunches?
I don't read 99% their comics, and I certainly don't pay for them. The only Marvel comic I read from this relaunch was Red Wolf, and it's dead.
>They can't keep getting away with this.
I don't see how it stops, that's my point, not to start a company war with the DC fans.
>>83449227
I don't like Marvel or DC. But, reality is reality.
Answer, do you think Marvel will suddenly collapse just because of gimmicks of both sides?
That's right, both sides are gimmicky shit, deal with it.
>>83449314
And the trades are selling pretty poorly so far too, so that plan failed
>>83449184
>>83449189
ANAD dropped quicker due to SW eating some sales, and the double shipping of books Marvel did.
And ANAD has some good books, Vision/carnage/Ewings and some others.
But for the most part was shit.
>>83449335
>Red Wolf
The fuck? When did that comic even launch?
I'm supposed to take the opinion seriously from a guy who likes red wolf?
>>83449258
>I dont understand why Marvel thinks people want the comics to be like the movies.
Let's be fair here. SOMETIMES movies (and cartoons) can actually offer something to their source material. Superman didn't fly originally, and even right now Katana's getting a movie-inspired costume.
The difference, though, is that those things are positive additions to the legacy of those characters (let's face it, Katana has never had a better costume.) Marvel does stuff like "ooga chaka" in GotG and having every book repeat the "puny god" thing from Avengers.
They're literally trying to sell to the Bazinga crowd who need something familiar to buy.
>>83441372
I was happy when it turned out both Kent and Khalid have the power of Fate.
Him and Jaime can be legacy buds.
>>83449350
Post evidence please.
>>83449396
It launched like six months ago and is already over
>>83449335
>I don't see how it stops, that's my point, not to start a company war with the DC fans.
Once it stops making them money they'll be forced to change. Another company passing them might be the thing that causes it.
>>83444161
So this is the feeling of comics being saved. I thought it was going to be Valiant but they were merely poons that were going with the flow trying to push out good stories, they could never have stood up to Marvel pushing prices, shoving events, and crapping out variants.
>>83449184
Anon please, Marvel NOW (The first one) was Marvel's New 52
>>83449420
Orlando implied that Midnighter's trade sales specifically were pretty bad and go look at comichron from Feb to onward for the other books
Starfire and Black Canary stick as some of the highest ones at 2.3k for the first month and not even charting the second month
>>83449428
>Once it stops making them money they'll be forced to change.
No shit.
>Another company passing them might be the thing that causes it.
And how will that happen? Will that happen because of /co/'s well-wishing or...?
When was the last time DC had more sales than Marvel and for how long?
Do you honestly think DC's gimmicks will outsell Marvel's gimmicks? I think you guys are looking at this "problem" the wrong way.
>>83437784
Yeah, so where's that going to be followed up at? Are we getting an Atom solo at some point along with JSA, Legion, and Shazam?
>>83449525
but Marvel Now! is happening in October?
>>83449558
>disneykids always trying to force a false equivalence between Marvel and DC
lol.
>>83449525
>Marvel NOW (The first one)
This is what it's come down to. This is what Marvel has done. Brand sequels.
>Only 4 tweets of "MUH PROGRESSIVE COMICS" retailers
>w/o counting any digital sales
or foreign sales
The two will be at the same level of sales, probably, the only thing getting new printings in Rebirth is the special any way.
Both are pandering at his finest. Rebirth is pandering to the nostalgiafags and Civil War II to the moviefags.
>>83449828
>digital sales
>mattering
>>83449828
this' weeks One Shots already confirmed to have 2nd printings.
and IDK how much of a huge sample size this for foreign sales is, but a particular chain of an LCS here has confirmed with me that they've ran out of all the one shots (Been looking for the GA and Superman, obviously they had #s on their FB Pages so I didn't go to them one by one, I just called in and asked if they still had any) this is coming from Flipland in which there are really only two LCS Chains
>>83449828
Oh well if we're talking about digital sales then DCU Rebirth, Batman Rebirth, TWD, and Superman Rebirth are already ahead of CW2 #1 with GLs and GA right behind it.
Who knows what'll happen in the next few days though.
>Pittsburgh comics
Oh shit that's the shop right near my grandmas house
>>83448895
Yeah. #121 is The Night Gwen Stacy Died.
>>83449562
Johns confirmed a new Atom solo at the same time as Legion and Shazam.
>>83450153
>Johns confirmed a new Atom solo at the same time as Legion and Shazam.
Yes. Yes! YES! This pleases me!
>>83449562
Yep.
It's just a matter of when.
They have #1s lined up until like September, that the last of them are the Young Animal books, Gotham Academy, and the presumably delayed books.
They're probably gonna change some double shipping titles to monthly and that'll open up some room for new books in 2017.
>>83449828
>Go check out the twitter accounts
>One of those (The thorgi one) has literally a video about top 20 comics starring woman
Are you just talking out of your ass?
>>83449828
>w/o counting any digital sales
>DCU Rebirth Issue #1
>Batman Rebirth #1
>The Walking Dead #155
>Superman Rebirth #1
>Civil War II #1
>Green Lanterns Rebirth #1
>Green Arrow Rebirth #1
>>83449642
The ran out of events to redo so they're relaunching their relaunches.
Next they're just start mixing up titles and adjectives like a name generator.
Eternity War
Eternity Quest
Eternity Gauntlet
House of I
Avengers Reassembled
Avengers vs. Inhumans
Hate Itself
Battle of the Molecule
Iron-verse
Ant Island
Etc.
>>83449403
Don't forget that ever since 2012 you can sum up Black Widow's character with "muh ledger!"
>>83450559
Ant island would be a great idea.
>pym accidentally shrinks all of new York into the micro verse
>>83451026
Or . . .
>All of the New York's vermin are now gigantic
So much 50s B-Movie fun!
Rich Johnston knows he's always wrong so I'm thinking he said "Marvel wins" just so it wouldn't come true to help his pals at DC.
>>83450559
delete these right now before marvel sees them
>>83451419
I think he was just talking about online chatter. Cap #1 was never going to be as big of a deal as Rebirth regardless of the twist.
>>83450559
>Iron-Verse
I'm trying to imagine that. 1960's comic Iron Man (and other subsequent versions), Ultimate Iron Man, 1960's cartoon Iron Man, Heroes Reborn Iron Man, MCU Iron Man (since Marvel would have rights to the films unlike Spider-Man at the time of Spider-Verse), 90's cartoon Iron Man, Iron Man Noir, Earth X Iron Man, Superhero Squad Iron Man, Mini Marvels Iron Man, Iron Man who rules Camelot, and others I can't remember. And then you can even bring in the other characters who aren't Tony Stark. Like War Machine (comics and cartoon versions), 80's era Iron Man Rhodey, Rhodey from that one Marvel Zombies issue where he and Sandman were like the only non-zombified survivors of their world, alien armor War Machine, etc.
Then they can fight the evil Iron Men like Iron Maniac from MTU and Iron Doom from Exiles.
>>83451731
Nose Iron Man
>marvel is kill
And nothing of value was lost
>>83438132
that looks like something out of a mad max movie
>>83435953
Feeling some nice schadenfreude right now.
>>83438132
Star Wars, Batman, Harley Quinn, Amazing Spider-Man, Bendis
>>83450532
Yeah ,I take it all back , Marvel is FUCKING DEAD
>>83435953
>shitty comics not selling
>>83435953
Marvel is dead. Bury it.
Consider this mercy.
>>83435953
I gave up on Marvel almost a decade ago, but I have to say it's satisfying reading those tweets. Marvel has gotten away with ruining characters and stories for so long that a decade's gone by, and now it'll finally catch up with them.
I've dropped all my Marvel books but two because of their constant bullshit.
>Events made for the sole purpose of movie cash-ins and relaunch #1 cash-ins
>Forced diversity for media attention
>Neverending issue ones because Marvel seems to be under the delusion that this will work forever
Shit really has gone downhill since Alonso took over. I used to spend 40 dollars a month on Marvel titles when I was working fast food jobs in high school. Now I've got a decent job and I spend, what, 8?
I get that they think they can capture the elusive 'new reader' market but if they haven't shown up at this point, maybe it's time to give up and aim your titles at the people who consistently buy your books.
>>83435953
>ANAD underperforming
>now this
What a time to be alive
>>83453164
Change that filename to "bees.png" posthaste
>>83454750
You're a meanie.
How many of those writers who left DC to sign exclusives with Marvel are mad right now?
>Just sold out of the main cover of Batman Rebirth #1, more than double what we've sold of Civil War 2 #1, all covers.
https://twitter.com/RyanHigginsRyan/status/738827901550792704
>Marvel already have like three more events planned and announced
>Are probably already planning their next relaunch after Marvel Now!
It's like they heard what their fans are saying and deliberately did the exact opposite.
>>83436606
The Atom fucking kicks ass.
>>83455562
I would take this guy seriously if he wasn't a dcfag like have you listened to his podcast?
>>83455508
Rumors are that a few are legit pissed. It's looking like one of those "the grass is greener on the other side" things.
It's actually kinda amazing how much of a reversal we are in compared to the last few years. DC's editorial has mended quite a few fences lately, while Marvel has alienated quite a few.
>>83455642
>Rumors are that a few are legit pissed
any details?
>>83455627
The fuck does that have to do with how many comics his store sells? Plus it's not as if he's the only store that's reported CWIIWar Harderhaving pretty lackluster sales because there's basically zero hype for it.
>>83455642
>Rumors are that a few are legit pissed
give me some of that delicious sauce and details, anon
>>83455508
I mean it sucks creatively for them but when you get benefits and shit that's not bad
>>83455702
Its that he has a bias
How many retailers do you see doing company wars tweets like that?
>>83455892
how on earth do you construe "we sold more of X than Y" as company wars
>WE RELAUNCH NAO, MARVEL IS FINISHED
once again
>EVERYONE PILE INTO THE DCFRIEND THREAD TO CELEBRATE
once again
>"Hey man, that DC movie/tv show/comic was kinda bad
WAH, /co/ IS NOTHING BUT MARVELDRONES, I'M BEING OPPRESSED!
>mfw company wars culture
>>83455900
because if civil war II outsold batman he wouldn't be tweeting about it
This is the same guy that would defend BvS all day on his podcast but nitpick Civil War
>>83455940
I remember the last time Marvel was Finished, good times.
Isn't Marvel consistently selling more than DC, Rebirth aside? As much as I hate what they're doing, it doesn't seem like they're gonna go out of business anytime soon.
>>83456040
SHHHHHHHH!
DC is going to beat Marvel with their masterful plan of recycling the exact same shit that's kept them in 2nd place for generations.
But THIS TIME it will work!
>>83456040
Anon please, this is a hugbox thread. We all agree to put logic aside for a while and pretend our favorite company will surely defeat the hated enemy this time.
I mean, it has to, right?
>>83456040
yes, I'm just indulging in some schadenfreude that CWII is performing slightly less high than expected
>>83456089
>>83456112
Right, I forgot where I was.
>>83456040
>>83456089
>>83456112
>>83456153
what is it about DC succeeding that makes Marvel mad?
>>83456112
Yes, in defiance of all past history, trends and present day figures, DC is surely going to win.
I mean, they brought back a Flash! A Superman is dead! People cried and sheeittt.
>>83456089
They have even more Green Lanterns, Supermen, Robins and Flashes this time, how could it NOT work!
>>83456112
I don't give a shit about company wars. I'm just glad Civil War II is getting its ass handed to it. The first one was a fucking terrible event and this is already shaping up to be just as dumb if not worse.
>>83456184
It's a great company selling lots of comics, from the #2 position.
Totally cool with that.
When you start threads celebrating their Total Victory over Marvel comics, expect to get laughed at.
That's what happens when you say stupid shit on the internet.
>>83456184
Nothing about it makes me mad, I'm just being realistic. The chances of DC taking the #1 position are slim, and the chances of Marvel going out of business are zero. And even if they did go down, they'd take DC with them.
>>83456040
Yes. Even without Star Wars marvel would still be beating DC by some. And it's been that way for forever, minus a few years here and there, like back in the late 90s and the beginning of new 52.
That's one reason why the schadenfreude is so strong. The others being marvel's shitty practices, Bendis being shitty, and CW2 being a shitty cash grab.
>>83456184
Liberal babbies can't stand le evil racist patriarchy winning
Reminder that the New 52 is worth legit money on the collector market while every marvel rag from the last 8 years are filling 4-for-a-dollar bins nationwide.
>>83455940
Good little mouseketeer
$.25 has been added to your account
>>83456474
Reminder that DC doesn't make a cent on the collector market, they succeed based on sales figures.
No one has ever questioned the willingness of DCfriends to pay out the nose for mediocrity.
The half-shelf of Bat-comics is tribute to it.
>>83455562
At my shop the owner was completely sold out of Batman Rebirth and he actually thought that he over ordered that particular issue.
>>83455642
Literally all DC has to do is fire Eddie. He is the only thing keeping that company from greatness but for some reason they're hellbent on keeping him.
>>83456728
blackmail theory seems more and more accurate at this point
>>83447661
Feels good man
>>83456728
>He is the only thing keeping that company from greatness
How the fuck do you figure that?
>>83456747
For sure man.
Had this been any other business his ass would've been gone after forcibly kissing another dude's wife, dude has to have some serious dirt on someone. (and if that's the case their asses need to go to.)
>>83456825
>Shit editor
>Known reputation for being a creep
>Writers and artists are most likely refusing to do any business with DC until he's gone.
>Most likely blackmailing a higher up at DC.
Like come on, they would gain more if they fire him then keeping him on at this point.
My local store is only doing special orders for every Rebirth title AND Civil War II, because "they won't sell".
>>83437694
Ultimates is like one of the few good books Marvel has.
I dont like his New Avengers as much as the rest of /co/ though.
>>83435953
Like dog shit in my store.
I think we've only sold four copies total.
>>83457296
is your store very large? how many copies did you order?
>>83457296
How're the Rebirth titles doing?
>>83438132
This is without a doubt the oddest picture I have seen this year.
>>83457344
I'm just a clerk at a Hastings, although we are the biggest comic store in my city.
I don't know the exact numbers, other then we had around 20 standard issues, and three times that in variants.
>>83457409
Rebirth standalone was gone the day it came out, and Batman and Green Arrow are practically gone. Green Lantern didn't sell as hot.
>>83457584
>I don't know the exact numbers, other then we had around 20 standard issues, and three times that in variants.
holy shit, so you have like 80 copies with 4 sold? that's abysmal
>>83457584
What about the Supes Rebirth?
>we had around 20 standard issues, and three times that in variants.
>I think we've only sold four copies total.
Ouch man. If a number #1 can only sell 4 copies I shudder to think what the later ones are going to do.
>>83446857
Bendis.
>>83438092
Civil War is only popular to people who do not read comics. I've met a shit ton of normies who were are excited for a Civil War movie, but I only know one comic reader who likes the comic, and even he admitted that it's a guilty pleasure.
>>83457792
Granted I don't know how much we've sold today, but yesterday when I was at work there was very little missing from our shelf.
This isn't the first time something like this has happened. Secret Wars started out selling good to okay but by the end nothing was going. We had to ship a shitload back by the end.
>>83457792
I actually don't know, I don't remember looking at Superman. I know I set it out on Wednesday but I never thought to check yesterday. I have a couple regulars who read superman but other then them Supes doesn't sell as well as the other DC properties.
>>83449531
>Orlando implied that Midnighter's trade sales specifically were pretty bad
Where? Because it was the number 1 preordered Comic on Amazon for a time, and was pretty high up on the LGBT section too for quite some time.
Also you can't really use Chomichron for trades. A majority of Trades don't come from Diamond.
>>83457792
Rebirth isn't #1
It's like a special #0
Superman #1 is next
but fans are obviously getting reboot fatigue
>>83458242
>Because it was the number 1 preordered Comic on Amazon for a time
no it wasn't, it was the #1 preordered DCYOU trade
>>83458272
I was talking about Civil War 2 #1
>>83458213
>We had to ship a shitload back by the end.
Only DC takes returns. Marvel doesn't do that shit
>>83458287
Nope.
http://4archive.org/board/co/thread/78291810
It was number one for a time.
>>83458375
>for DC new books trades
>DC
Read the thread, that OP only listed DCYou books. It was not the top preordered trade for all comics
>>83458242
Orlando said it on twitter a while back when there was an article floating around lamenting how diverse titles don't sell as well as people want them too. He also implied then how little digital really matters unless it's truly extraordinary and disproportional to the physical sales.
>Because it was the number 1 preordered Comic on Amazon for a time
It wasn't, it was one of the most ordered DCYou trades, and like that other anon said, DCYou trades in general flopped almost as badly as the floppies.
>was pretty high up on the LGBT section too for quite some time
You say that like there are many LGBT books in that section and they sell a lot lol
>>83458474
He didn't just imply, he said it outright, and also that because digital pays quarterly, that's a big part of it--the lag in feeding money back into the system, when you have to pay production and artists and all of that monthly (and a big reason why artists do Big Two is for the reliable steady predictable paycheck), is the root of it.
>>83458374
To our warehouses, not theres
We have a regional warehouse when we need to move shit that one store has too much of to several stores so we don't have ten million of one product.
>>83456184
Disneyfriends hate the idea that somebody could succeed by making good comics when they've been paying for trash they hate for almost a decade now. The very idea that they didn't have to eat literal slop enrages and confuses them
>>83456474
Reminder that reported sales are only the sales to retailers, not consumers.
So all those times a retailer had to buy 3 cases of some shit book for a Star Wars variant? Those books are all still sitting in the store today.
Marvel is literally all smoke and mirrors.
>>83457972
Brian Michael Bendis?
>>83449108
Yeah, he's at least a D-lister.
>>83458242
>Also you can't really use Chomichron for trades. A majority of Trades don't come from Diamond.
This is true, which is where the Bookscan list comes in. And I think Midnighter didn't show up on last year's Bookscan list so it didn't rank high enough.
>>83459136
Bendis. THE Brian Michael Bendis.
>>83461950
Wait, scratch that. Midnighter trade wasn't out till this year so it wouldn't be on the 2015 list anyway.
>>83461950
The first Midnighter trade came out in February so it would be on 2015's list anyway
>>83461970
Bendis?
It probably doesn't help that the first issue was really bad.
Rebirth is stupid too, but it at least had a really good emotional hook with Wally.
Green Arrow #1 was fucking great and I'm excited for issue 2.
Actually bought that one to show support.
>>83455952
one was a flawed movie that got undeserved amount of criticsim, whilst the other got well more then it deserved. Sounds fair to me.
>>83450559
>Ant Island
I'd read it.
>>83448232
He's completely correct though. The House of Ideas hasn't had a good one in about 15 years.
>>83448699
That might not be how the Mouse Accountants see it. Think of it this way:
>Currently have one of the most successful movie franchises in world history
>Films pull in between $750 million and $1.4 billion per release like clockwork
>Millions of people see them
>Millions of people talk about them
>They have a publishing company with nearly 80 years of history under its belt that generated this franchise
>It sells monthly publications for each of these characters at $4 per issue
>Sales of between 30,000 and 75,000 AT BEST per month
Any good money man is going to ask in light of the massive awareness of the brand, its characters, etc why the fuck there aren't more zeroes after those numbers and then calculate how much revenue they're potentially losing out on not selling that many comics.
And you know what? They'd be right.
>>83464532
If Disney cared, they would demand that their subsidiary make a better/more attractive product.
Marvel isn't gonna die. They've survived worse. But CWII underperforming might be good for Marvel, in the long run at least. Force them to try harder, reevaluate their strategy. Marvel NOW might be good. MIGHT.
