Punisher #2
A Tale Of Frankface
STORYTIMElast issue sucked but let's see where this series is going edition
>>83384322
>A Tale Of Frankface
I should have called it "The Frankface Strikes Back" now that I think of it.
>>83384322
>>last issue sucked
I don't think it sucked. It felt like a pretty standard Punisher issue to me.
>>83384379
bump if you're reading.
Bumping for Frank.
>>83384401
>>83384397
Naw, it was fucking terrible. The writer has either never read a Punisher comic before or just doesn't get the character at all. Plus they're just a shit tier bottom of the barrel writer in general.
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>>83384489
>payphone
What is this, the 20th century?
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>>83384515
To be fair, it's not like Frank has the luxury of paying a phone bill.
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>>83385037
I picked this up this morning. It's shit. I won't buy #3. I wouldn't even read #3 for free. by the end of this issue the writer has already reached Call of Duty levels of emotion bait.
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>>83385085
You're actually being unfair to Call of Duty. And I'm not even joking when I say that.
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>>83385248
https://youtu.be/ZQoJvI8XUa0
>>83384513
Frank is clearly black on this page.
>>83384899
Frank
>>83385279
And that's that.
Thoughts?
And as always, if you want a download link you can get one in the Win-O'.
>>83385429
meh
getting a woman to write a character like this was a mistake
>>83385458
What else has she written?
>>83385458
Jo Duffy did great, Cloonan's just a bad fit.
So what exactly is going wrong so far? I think it has been decent, although I'm wondering about the bit where Frank shoots two cops. Overall it's no more bizarre than the older tales or even our Lord and Savior Ennis's Marvel knights.
>>83385491
Gotham Academy.
The announcemen she was writing this lead to a lot of Schoolgirl Frank jokes.
>>83385727
Poor fit for the character, worst and most strawman villains ever, 0/10 dialogue.
Those seem to be the general issues that most people have with this run so far.
>>83385832
Can you explain the first? I get the latter two, although Face may be an interesting Psychopath.
>>83385491
Gotham Academy, Southern Cross, a bunch of mini comics.
Her mini comics are the best thing she's ever done but they are all about horror and romance.
>>83385898
It doesn't seem like a Punisher story. It's like some shit that a typical darker hero or antihero would go against, but not a "mafia killer" type like the Punisher.
People tend to get that while Ennis pushed the "broken man" treatment of the character more than any writer before him (except for maybe Bill Mantlo lol), the types of stories that he wrote with the character were basically par for the course in the 80s and 90s. Read Chuck Dixon's run in particular and tell me those don't seem like a toned down version of Ennis' work.
This is just kind of a Marvel comic with a little more edginess.
>>83386175
So far It seems a standard story for Frank especially now with our paramilitary group. The only bizarre element here is arguably the super drugs, something Frank has dealt with before. So far it's mediocre , however I don't just see the major deal breaker.
>>83385832
>most strawman villains ever
What?
>>83385279
That man's going to get Franked like no tommorow.
I don't really get the massive hate over this. I mean it's not that good. I'd even say it's mediocre, but it's not terrible.
>>83385727
Pretty sure the cops were corrupt
I don't understand comics as well as you guys, but this doesn't feel right.
They spend 4 pages on nothing but buying guns, and not even interesting ones.
He shoots the cops and two dealers, then forgets completely about the guy in the hat?
That fight with the coked up dude jumping around feels more like it's from some kind of Bleach like anime.
He just bought every weapon in counter strike at the start of the issue, but he only shows up with a pistol?
When I think of the punisher, I think of evil fuckheads working their asses off to be interestingly evil, and I think of the punisher punishing the fuck out of them, preferably in somewhat creative ways.
The guys who get shot here feel generic, although things might be looking up with the easy bake suicide bomber there.
>>83387079
Frank generally avoids shooting even corrupt cops, even Ennis didn't have pull the trigger on one in Slavers, and it was a huge plot point in Aaron's Max. For the older stuff I don't recall Frank ever pulling the trigger on due to the repercussions of such an action.
>>83387205
Decompression man, and poor storytelling. Dixon had super coke once, and wrapped it up in one issue. The issue was admittedly mediocre.
>>83387205
>He just bought every weapon in counter strike
You nailed it right there. This writer ADMITTED that they "know nothing about guns except what they learned from Halo". They just picked a writer who has NO idea what the fuck they're doing and is completely out of their element and lacks any knowledge or experience or writing skills to be able to write The Punisher.
>>83387079
Punisher makes it an absolute rule to never kill cops under any circumstances. From a storytelling perspective this is 100% necessary because otherwise there's no way to rationalize why the cops keep ignoring him.
>>83387737
Having a noguns write the punisher is like having Willis make porn.
>>83387737
>This writer ADMITTED that they "know nothing about guns except what they learned from Halo".
You have to be kidding? Research is am integral part of writing, in the age of the Internet gun research is relatively easy even without shooting the damn thing. Even the guys behind Golgo 13 in Japan of all places do guns right.
>>83384825
This is clever. The large splats are the exit wounds.
I forgot.
>>83384990
And the only real flaw in this.
Frank has good understanding that this is his WAR ON CRIME, not a sting.
If somebodies goes high on glass, to the point where they need to be killed or broken to stop, he understands the need to kill them before they run off.
The girl suicide bomber don't need the guy to survive to even be a set up.
>>83387607
>Dixon had super coke once, and wrapped it up in one issue.
Three.
>>83387557
>For the older stuff I don't recall Frank ever pulling the trigger on due to the repercussions of such an action.
I'm pretty sure he did if they were especially bad, like murderers or something.
>>83387205
Its called shitty writing. A punisher comic should fetishize the gun this its just there, they don't even use it half the time.
Really meh. Not particularly bad, not particularly good either.
I was interested by the initial premise that Frank was suppossed to be presented as some sort of slasher killer for villains. But for that you need to come up with interesting villains in the first place. Two issues in and there are none.
Probably still above average compared to the current Marvel books, definitely below compared to most other Punisher books, even exclusively 616 Frank.
>>83384956
>panel 5
I hate this art but damn if that isn't kinda spooky
>>83388257
Which were they? I recall one in which he got his Frank armor back and shot an innocent man, or maybe I'm getting them mixed up.
>>83386459
Agreed. It's not irredeemably shit, but it does feel like someone took a warmed-over MAX plot idea, took out the swearing and handed it off to Dillon.
>>83385216
RIP Francis
>>83384453
>Plus they're just a shit tier bottom of the barrel writer in general.
I don't think that's true, Gotham Academy is pretty good. They're just a terrible fit for Punisher
>>83388428
War Journal #54-56.
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/killerbp.htm
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/killerbp.htm
>>83388257
Dixon did super drugs more than once. Most of the issues were probably one-offs.
>>83388883
Shit, second link was supposed to be http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/familypu.htm
Not as well written, but not THAT much different from Ennis's initial Marvel Knights stuff. I think you guys are being a bit over the top with the hate. It's better than Edmondson at least.
>>83389015
False on both accounts. Ennis' Marvel Knights was a black comedy. This actually thinks it's 100% serious. Even Edmonson's run was better.
This is easily the third worst Punisher run after fagtion and the clusterfuck that was late 90s Punisher.
Huh, Dillon's art looks pretty good for once.
>>83389015
Edmonson at least had good art to back up his less than stellar writing. Also Edmonson had characters, this feels like a plot outline sent to Dillon without any additional effort
>>83384322
Nice cover.
>>83384379
That cover is pretty hardcore.
>>83389214
>Edmonson at least had good art to back up his less than stellar writing.
I feel it started out good, but as time went on... eh.
It started picking up again at some point. The two Secret Wars tie-in issues looked swell, at least.
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>>83384489
>diner running a black market operation
Such a retarded concept. Put some effort into your fucking scripts, ffs.
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>>83388883
I just checked them out, the first issue has more plot and character than the two recent ones we've just read In my opinion.
>>83384635
Encrypted cellphone with a prepaid card, motherfucker (including removing the GPS chip).
If it's good enough for criminals, it's sure as fuck would be good enough for Frank.
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>>83384825
The fuck is even going on?
>>83384860
>pisses himself
>>83384990
Can dat nigga teleport? Da fuck?
>>83385279
That's it? They're just gonna use a hostage to keep him at bay?
I'm not sure of this is less shit than the first issue or even worse.
>>83389512
Diner is not running it, they're just a middleman keeping track of communication, so noone knows too much at the time - same principle as with intelligence agencies, spies never know anyone aside from people they recruited and their handler so they can't spill any beans. Here, instead of using a contact box, which is cliched and really dangerous if you are being staked out, they use a diner for the same purpose.
I mean, think about it - if cops or ATF are trying to track your moves - they will trace your phone, GPS your car, bug your phone - but surely they won't pay attention to your short stop at a roadside diner - and they probably won't have idea to track a call from a local payphone. Even if they are staking out your every move, asking for a menu item is not really suspicious and can be done in an inconspicuous way - I'm assuming if anyone else would be in the diner, waitress would ask Frank to make another order, and then put down the phone number and instructions on the check - and Frank would probably be expected to make a call from a payphone in a nearby town instead of the one in the diner - but since they are alone, she doesn't need to beat around the bush.
This is also why the delivery is made via stay in a motel room - because stay in a motel is something people do all the time, and if you come with a suitcase (empty) and come out with a suitcase (full) noone will be the wiser - and guns will 'materialise" out of thin air.
But of course, I'm talking for nothing. /co/ hivemind has already decided this is a Bad Writer, ergo everything he does is bad, regardless of what it is.
I mean, I'm not saying that "a new drug that turns regular schmucks into superpowerede psychokillers" isn't a kind of a cliched plot, but then again, so are most plots, question is what the writer does with this from now on.
It wasn't amazing, but it wasn't terrible either. I appreciate slightly more realistic/grounded tone (which the superdrugs kind of destroy, sadly)
>>83389852
I mean, it's not a bad plan, especially if they are going to be at least smart enough to have a dead man's switch (i.e. when he stops holding the button, bomb goes off).
... Well, in reality this can actually be circumvented by precisely shooting at medulla oblongata which causes an involuntary contraction of fingers that persists after death, which is something that Frank would be capable of.
So it's not a foolproof plan, but better than most thugs that go against Frank.
>>83385279
> using a child as a human shield
O LAWD
this dumb motherfucker is going to get FRANKED so hard he'll end up in the negative zone
The villain pissing his pants... That is so Ennis-like.
What will be the next issue about? Irish underdogs and proof God is either nonexistant or an asshole?
>>83390235
Also after writing this I just realized that a scene where diner IS full, would've made for a better scene, probably.
>panel 1: establishing shot: outside of a diner with a flat roof and a neon sign on top of the roof - frame the shot so that we can see bottom of the diner's advertising sign on the roof and the inside of it, and so that we can only see bottom of the letters, but astute readers should be able to dedude it says "Lou's Diner"; roof should be at eye level, so being flat, it would appear to be a straight line. Below the roof, we can see inside of the diner through the glass - it's a standard American roadside diner, I doubt it'd be hard to find references for it.
>Frank is seated inside, next to a window, so we can see him clearly - and behind his booth we can see the counter and waitress - so readers will have general sense of where things are within this diner, allowing some crazier camera angles. There are some other patrons aside from Frank inside - mostly appears to be some hicks and truckers.
>2: Waitress: What can I do you for?
>3: Frank: Smoked meat sandwich.
>4: Waitress: Come again?
>5: Frank: I heard you make good smoked meat sandwiches.
>6: Waitress: Sir, we don't serve any sandwiches in here. Any other order?
>7: Frank: Just coffee.
>-- page break---
>Page 2
>1: Frank: Check please.
>panel 2: Frank takes the check and leaves
>next, row of three similar panels:
>panel 3: Frank looks around
>panel 4: identical to above, but show Frank moving his eyes over a check he holds in his hands, almost as if by accident
>panel 5: we see Frank clearly looking down at the check and reading it.
>panel 6: closeup at the check.
>Under "coffee - 5.99$" we can also see a small handwritten note:
>"DELIVERY"
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>(yes, include quotes "delivery" - and yes, that number does spell out GUNS R US)
>Panel 7 - small vertical panel showing us a side of a payphone - basically just a dirty payphone logo.
>Panel 8 - same convo as original.
>>83389127
I noticed it too in issue #1
It seems he's working his ass off trying to make every character's face different.
It's still not what it used to be the first steps of Preacher, but I'm happy he's putting some effort you know?
Maybe he found out about FrankFace
>>83391292
I mean, this story arc is about Frank facing villain named Face.
Get it? Frank vs Face?
I doubt that wasn't intentional.
>>83385216
poor froggy
wibbit :(
>>83391351
that would be a total dick move from the writer.
more so considering it's a womyn
I doubt it was done as a pun.
My theory is she wanted a super edgy character and thought about a dude collecting skinned faces, being Face the only "thuggish" name she could think about
>>83391442
How do you know that Dillon is mad about that? If it was my art that would be a meme I'd think it was the most hilarious shit in the world, especially if it was old art and I'd gotten better since then.
I can't believe so many of you misread the diner scene. He's not buying guns, he's finding out where those people are making the red-eye drug exchange because they think he's Johnson. They even mention Face.
>>83387737
Please give a source for this quote, its all I need for this run to be a true 0/10
>>83392203
I think it was a comicsalliance interview?
bumping for others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o06JptNiYoQ
Fraaaaaaaaaaaaaank
>>83394930
>"I WANNA WATCH HIM EAT HIS BALLS!"
>>83389214
>Edmonson had good art
I don't think we read the same Publisher series then. Gerards was total shit!
>>83400109
There were some issues where it wasn't great and I never cared for the digital explosions effect but as a whole it captured the tacticool Punisher Edmonson was (I think) going for. At the very least it was fat better than what Dillon is doing for this series.
>>83385429
this is really weak and could use better art direction.
still we're here to see people get Franked, suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
>>83387205
>That fight with the coked up dude jumping around feels more like it's from some kind of Bleach like anime
The whole thing about a criminal using super drugs to win a gunfight is literally the first episode of Cowboy Bebop
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>>83387205
Red Eye
used a sprayer rather than snorting it but that fight was literally a cowboy bebop moment, yes.
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>>83387557
generally speaking he'd beat the crap out of them but not kill them and leave them to IA and their fellow cops.
>>83400109
I actually thought the art was solid. It just barely resembled the Punisher though.
Punisher 002 (2016) (2 covers) (digital) (Minutemen-Spaztastic)
http://www58.zippyshare.com/v/xkKcWeUZ/file.html
the only thing that really bugs me is they take out the swearing but the comic is already super bloody violent so I dont get the point?
the book seems ok but just not a lot going on really
>>83394930
Oh god Child Abuse
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>>83385279
Wait a minute...Francis has black hair and his daughter has blonde hair.
The reason he's willing to have her go Allahu Akbar is because this nigger got cucked!
>>83387737
Even if the writer knows jack shit about guns, they could still move things towards whatever kind of combat or action they DO know. Like that one where hes' in the ocean fucking with some drug dealers.
>>83388357
>I was interested by the initial premise that Frank was suppossed to be presented as some sort of slasher killer for villains.
Actually that's a potentially hilarious setup. Imagine an evil archie, stereotypical horror movie protagonist group that stumbles on to a big pile of drugs or superweapons or whatever, or stumbles on to one of Frank's caches, and decides to sell all the guns, and frank comes in and franks the fuck out of them one by one, like a horror movie slasher.
POV is of the shitty, scared criminals.
>>83403447
I remember the similiar idea was in Latour's issue of Untold tales of punisher MAX
>>83403628
Which issue?
>>83400109
>what is Sheriff of Babylon
>>83403628
The second, though most of that series (as well as the MAX Annual) had Frank as a figure stalking in the background.
>>83385279
Are loli-bombs Frank's one true weakness?
